Foo - Apple computers suck

Apple positions its computers as cutting edge in the personal computing marketing place. But I think they suck. Sure they are pretty, and girls like all the different colors they come in, but otherwise they are elitist, expensive and not much more reliable than any other (much cheaper) computer. You can pretty much run only Jobs (aka The Fuehrer) approved software on them, and when you ask whether you could change this or that, or run this piece of software on it you commonly hear "But you don't need to, Apple thought of everything. There is nothing else that you should require, Apple thought of everything".

Anybody disagree? :p

Apple positions its computers as cutting edge in the personal computing marketing place. But I think they suck. Sure they are pretty, and girls like all the different colors they come in, but otherwise they are elitist, expensive and not much more reliable than any other (much cheaper) computer. You can pretty much run only Jobs (aka The Fuehrer) approved software on them, and when you ask whether you could change this or that, or run this piece of software on it you commonly hear "But you don't need to, Apple thought of everything. There is nothing else that you should require, Apple thought of everything".

Anybody disagree? :p

In other news, the earth is round. :lol:

:popcorn

different colors they come in, ...

That about sums it up. By todays standards; the colored iMacs from 10 years ago totally suck ;)

p.s. the software choices that are available now compared to 5-10 years ago has vastly improved. Most people have never used a modern day mac and thus still use age old arguments against it. Some people still believe that mice on the mac cannot right click :D

Wow, Goodwin'ed your own thread in the first post. Bravo.

I have zero problems with mine. Zero. I doubt I'd be saying that had replaced my last Gates box with another Gates [7] box. Yes, I disagree. It just effing works. I don't have to eff with **** and I love that. BTW, I don't have to mess with anti-virus, anti-adware, or any other of that horse****. That, my friend, in itself is well worth the price.

Some people still believe that mice on the mac cannot right click :D

They can't...

Quick, somebody tell all the idiots who keep driving Mac sales to double digit gains year after year.

They can't...

Care to elaborate?

iMac's, MacBook's, and MacBook Pro's have had "right click" functionality ( software configurable ) out of the box back to January 2006, so that rant is about 4 years too late. Before then it was simple enough to provide your own mouse if you needed the flexibility of 2 or more buttons.

you should try using one before making such bold claims.

People who don't have Porsches or Ferraris are just jealous... You can tinker with, upgrade and tweak your Camaro all you want, but in the end, you're still driving a ... CHEVY!!! http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e346/DannoXYZ/Artwork/tongue.gif

Isn't the Camero just a Corvette with a different body kit on top? :innocent:

People who don't have Porsches or Ferraris are just jealous...

My dream car is Scion xb...

As far as apples go, they are very affordable now. You can get a nice entry level lap top for a grand and I would go with that rather then top of the line window hosts. It just makes sense. They last forever and perform beautifully.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZl165WDjDA&feature=fvw

They last forever....You don't know that.

You don't know that.

I've had mine for 6 years and it still performs like new. To me that's forever. ibook g4

I've had mine for 6 years and it still performs like new. To me that's forever. ibook g4
I've got socks older than 6 years.

I've got jerseys older than 6 years too. I should clean out my closet.

I've got socks older than 6 years.

I don't. Then again I buy the cheap ones. ;)

I've got socks older than 6 years.

I bet the only reason they last that long is that you have multiple socks which you periodically rotate. Most people don't have more than one mac to rotate between.

I have a mac (2007 macbook c2duo) and a pc (quad core i7 windows 7). IMO macs had an advantage for a while, however that has eroded. I left pc because of windows, and the new windows 7 is great. AN equivalent mac wasn't available when I purchased this, and currently it is 3-4 times what I paid. To each their own though, my mac was ok and very easy to use for most things. I still use the mac ocassionally.

It's tough to say that Mac's are better than PC's now because they are both made from the same components. A cheap PC will be made cheaper than a Mac because it costs about half as much, but a good PC that costs as much as a Mac will be made from the same components or even better.

Mac software and the Mac OS require a lot less hardware to run than PC's do, so that enables Mac's to have a more useful lifespan. My last PC I kept for 7 years, although at the end of that time it was getting pretty slow.

Mac OS and Mac software are both pretty limited, in that you couldn't run as much software on a Mac as you can on a PC- this is both good and bad, depending on your viewpoint and your needs.

I'm a PC of course, I currently have 4 of them that I use regularly. I'm going to jump on the iphone bandwagon so now I have to join the dark side and buy a Mac. :( I'm not sure how my PC's will accept a newcomer.

From my viewpoint as a PC I think the biggest enemy of Apple is Apple itself. They have good products but with their attitude it is surprising that anybody buys from them at all. I guess some people will buy from them irregardless. I didn't want to, but I've learned that the other cellphone manufacturers are so bad now that I'm forced to.

My dream car is Scion xb...

As far as apples go, they are very affordable now. You can get a nice entry level lap top for a grand and I would go with that rather then top of the line window hosts. It just makes sense. They last forever and perform beautifully.
Have a time machine, do ya?

The hardware may be bombproof (or rather boobproof). But what tune will you sing if/when Jobs comes out with a whole new OS that won't be supported on your machine?

People moan and groan about the Windows OS because of it's ability to support the legacy stuff. My laptop came with Vista, but I can just as easily switch to XP or 7 with no problem- or even other non MS OS's with very little compatibility issues. Can you do that on a Mac?

The hardware may be bombproof (or rather boobproof). But what tune will you sing if/when Jobs comes out with a whole new OS that won't be supported on your machine?

Apple quite reguarlly supports systems that are 4-7 years out of production with current releases of the operating system.


People moan and groan about the Windows OS because of it's ability to support the legacy stuff. My laptop came with Vista, but I can just as easily switch to XP or 7 with no problem- or even other non MS OS's with very little compatibility issues. Can you do that on a Mac?

Yes, all current Apple hardware can support any current "windows" operating system, with 100% driver support, with a free download from Apple. So good is the hardware you will often see MS employees using Apple hardware and the latest windows operating system. I'm not aware of any Linuxes that have difficulty with the Apple hardware either, unless speaking of some driver issues which are faced on most OEM PC's as well.

On top of dual booting I can also run the OS'es in parallel and with windows apps in a way that is virtually seamless.

I'm still waiting for pcad to send me a free macbook for evaluation.

I'm still waiting for pcad to send me a free macbook for evaluation.
He's too busy using his new iPad to track his APPL stock.

I still get updates on my almost 6-year-old Mac. Since it's a PowerPC though, I can only update so far. But then, on a six-year-old Dell or other Windows machine, you'd have updated the graphics card or processor by now. My friends have replaced their Windows computers at least one or two times since I've bought this one.

What I don't understand is all this anti-Mac vitriol. I don't absolutely enjoy working on Windows machines, but I can do it without posting online diatribes. What are you guys so afraid of? Do you define yourself in opposition to whatever OS you're not using?

It's probably a Napoleon complex...

My 1997 Sony Vaio was useful for much longer than my 1997 Apple Performa 6400.
A friend's 400MHz G3 iMac wasn't useful for as long as I thought it should have been.

If I was in the market for a laptop, I'd consider a Mac, however. I'd probably flip a coin between Mac and Toshiba.

Apple quite reguarlly supports systems that are 4-7 years out of production with current releases of the operating system.



Yes, all current Apple hardware can support any current "windows" operating system, with 100% driver support, with a free download from Apple. So good is the hardware you will often see MS employees using Apple hardware and the latest windows operating system. I'm not aware of any Linuxes that have difficulty with the Apple hardware either, unless speaking of some driver issues which are faced on most OEM PC's as well.

On top of dual booting I can also run the OS'es in parallel and with windows apps in a way that is virtually seamless.

Apple hardware, PC hardware, it's all made by Intel and the same chips. :lol:

Just re-read the OP, and seems like most complaints are against the OS and available software titles. If that's the case, then as others have suggested, Windows runs pretty dang well on modern day Macs, as well as many Linux distros.

I still get updates on my almost 6-year-old Mac. Since it's a PowerPC though, I can only update so far. But then, on a six-year-old Dell or other Windows machine, you'd have updated the graphics card or processor by now. My friends have replaced their Windows computers at least one or two times since I've bought this one.

What I don't understand is all this anti-Mac vitriol. I don't absolutely enjoy working on Windows machines, but I can do it without posting online diatribes. What are you guys so afraid of? Do you define yourself in opposition to whatever OS you're not using?
Valid points.

My main beefs with Apple:

-Price. I can buy two PC's for the price of one Mac. The term affordable is entirely subjective- $1k for a refurb Mac or half that for a new PC that will do everything that I need is a no-brainer in this household.

-Attitude. Seems to me a lot of Mac owners tend to foster an elitist attitude. I am glad that you bought the right tool for the job for yourself, but don't be condescending if my hardware isn't sporting a fruitish logo.

-And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the underlying code that runs OS X/Leopard/Snow Leopard borrowed heavily from Unix/Linux or some other open source programming?

-The Blind loyaty. Y'all love your Macs and other Apple gear. But I'm a little paranoid that the day will come that Apple is the only game in town- and they will decide what apps the world will be able to use.

Re. blind loyalty - It's a valid concern. I don't have my trusty Universal Principles of Design to hand, but one of the universal principles of good design is that people become attached to it - they name it and treat it as an entity, not a tool. You see that with Macs, and to me it's an indicator of how well it's pulled together, not necessarily a brainwashing or personality flaw. Also, I don't think it's "blind loyalty" per se - people know the limitations of their products, and yet still love and use them anyways.

However, a few bad Apple fanboys spoil the lot, and now everyone assumes people who own Macs are some sort of gleaming white zombie horde with friendly rounded corners. As for the elitist attitude, there are plenty of those in every corner. I think a lot of the "But it just works" cries get interpreted as criticism by defensive Windows users.

As for price, it's relative. You have people on this forum swearing by building up junker bikes they pull from dumpsters and those with custom fab ti frames. Both think they're getting a good deal, so who am I to criticize them? In the end, everyone's got a bike, and that's what matters.

Regardless, it's an idiot argument and I'm sorry I said anything in this. It just goes around and around like the stupid helmet debate and nobody wins, but everyone keeps trying. I'm going to go have some hard cider and do some work that doesn't involve a screen.

-And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the underlying code that runs OS X/Leopard/Snow Leopard borrowed heavily from Unix/Linux or some other open source programming?Mach kernel and AT&T BSD UNIX. Completely different creature than Linux. And OSX evolved from NeXTSTEP, which was Steve Job's outfit after getting kicked out of Apple by the Pepsi King. The very first web-server on the internet ran on NeXTSTEP on a NeXT Cube. Lunix was just a wet-dream at the time (running a real OS on low-end hardware).

The main value of OSX isn't the underlying OS, but the GUI. Kinda like Gnome versus KDE, etc. Darwin is light-years ahead in GUI integration with the UNIX underpinnings. Drag & drop is better implemented along with other features. You also have separation between the apps and OS system folders. You can move the apps to any other location, even a network-drive and they'll function just fine. If you somehow hose the OS, you can just boot from DVD and re-install and all the apps will work without re-installing. It's a big deal if you've got hundreds of programs you're using.

I'm a new convert from PCs 2 years ago and it's been wonderful. Wish that I had done it earlier (white macbook, nothing fancy). It's true, it just works. Thus far, no signs of slowing. Next time I get a computer, I'll still compare but unless something substantial changes, I'm going with apple again.

I use what ever they give me at work. Mac's for editing video and PC for everything else. At home I like PC's because they are cheaper and I tend to be able to run mine for a long long time. Some software is better on PC or required to be on a PC and some is better on Mac so I enjoy having the best of both worlds :D

I'm still waiting for pcad to send me a free macbook for evaluation.

It is not free, you have to agree to join his fanboy club and keep his signed picture in your wallet or purse, displayed at your home and in your place of employment, among other things.

I find it funny that some people judge a company by their users instead of their product quality :)

Sort of like a "ooo see how fanatical/enthusiastic their users/followers are; they must really suck!!!" attitude.

I guess consumerism does tend to breed those kinds of attitudes.

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The main value of OSX isn't the underlying OS, but the GUI. ...

I couldn't disagree more. And I've got no issues with the GUI...

:crash::troll:zOMG I can't believe this thread was started:troll: :hug:

What I don't understand is all this anti-Mac vitriol

I think the arrogance of Apple is what created this. No other PC company acts like Apple does.



AT&T BSD UNIX. Completely different creature than Linux

I've read that many times, but I used a Unix minicomputer for a long time and all of the old commands that I remember from the Unix minicomputer still work the same way on our PC-based Linux server, so somebody was heavily copying somebody else.

I love my Mac (20" widescreen iMac) and my iPhone.

That said, Steve Jobs is a scary, scary man.

If you don't like Apple products, just don't buy them.
That was easy.

http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/easy-button.jpg

I do realize that this is BF, Foo on BF no less, and this simple concept may be as elusive for some of you as the one about changing channels on cable TV.

Quick, somebody tell all the idiots who keep driving Mac sales to double digit gains year after year.

They're too busy buying the best bikes on the planet. These are made in China and sold at Wal Mart. The popularity of these bikes is testament to the fact that the Chinese know more about cycling and producing schwag than anyone else.

You can change the channels? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYrTzOsydI&feature=related)

You can change the channels?

Indeed:

http://filmmakerone.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/appletv.jpg

My Macs have lasted on average 7 years. That's when I finally give up and upgrade. Still running a Powerbook G4 and a Powermac G5 Dual 2G.
The OP's comments display an ignorance of the platform that I find all to common. Sure they cost more but the stock software load is amazing and hardware build is top notch.
I am looking forward to upgrading to the newest gen of macs as soon as I can.

Macs and PC's are over rated.
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Anything else is a waste of resources.