Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - New Limited Cinelli Mash Frame

Since nobody has posted this yet, here's this.

I read they only made 3 of 'em, & the frame costs like $1450.

I don't know if this is a whole new setup, or just the same frame geo with snazzy histogram colors.

http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2010/05/24/histogram_cinelli_mash-PINP.jpg

Oh yeah I'd seen this on a few blogs. I'd hit it.

It's alright.

I can't justify spending $650 on a paint job...

Reminds me of the days in BMX when limited edition bikes were way overpriced like the Mike Buff CW.

You can ONLY imagine how much that bike sells for now. As would this one I'm sure. Worth the $650 to store it and wait sadly. All the youngin' hipsters will sell out and get jobs. In their 30's they'll want that dope bike from their teens/20's and shell out big time for it because they can.

I don't know if this is a whole new setup, or just the same frame geo with ugly histogram colors.

Fixed.

Since nobody has posted this yet, here's this.

I read they only made 3 of 'em, & the frame costs like $1450.

I don't know if this is a whole new setup, or just the same frame geo with snazzy histogram colors.

its the same 2010 mashinelli geo just different paint job. If i didnt just buy the grey mash frame i would be all over this. And i understand the histogram of the San Francisco Hills. Love the concept

$600 for "custom" paint? yikes.

WTH??? Only 3! :cry:

I don't know/ care about your guy's opinion but I like it. It matches my the electronica music genre I love.
Now all I have to do is to somehow pony up $1450 ASAP....

I had a dream i had one of those frames.

Ill just go to my friend, give him his pic, and say do it. and ill have a cineli limited edition mash for less

probably not there bikes are wicked.

But it has G.Chow's signature on the chainstay in gold! Can your friend clone that, too ;-) Sweet color concept, them Mash Cinelli's. Sweetest collaboration ever to come out of the Cinelli group, working with Mash SF. That's San Francisco, California for those not in the know.

What a rip off.

What a rip off.

the irony makes me giggle.

What a rip off.

Do you seriously come here to bash products?

Do you seriously come here to bash products?
he didnt say the frame was bad.. but cmon 1400 vs 850 for a fancy 3 of paint job? **** off.

WTH??? Only 3! :cry:

I don't know/ care about your guy's opinion but I like it. It matches my the electronica music genre I love.
Now all I have to do is to somehow pony up $1450 ASAP....
Well, I like the color too, but I wouldn't blow away $1450 on it, knowing that otherwise, it'd cost me about half that.

And a sidenote, what genre of electronica do you listen to that "matches" these colors? Not being a smartass, just curious. I know very few people who attribute colors to music, and as a music tech nerd (grad student in the field), I find it interesting

he didnt say the frame was bad.. but cmon 1400 vs 850 for a fancy 3 of paint job? **** off.

Exactly.
And colors dont dazzle me into blindness...its still a mass produced Taiwanese frame.
This one just got a weird paint job compared to the others.

Did I mention its a rip off? :)

Exactly.
And colors dont dazzle me into blindness...its still a mass produced Taiwanese frame.
This one just got a weird paint job compared to the others.

Did I mention its a rip off? :)

Are you saying mass produced Taiwanese frames have a low correlation to quality?

Exactly.
And colors dont dazzle me into blindness...its still a mass produced Taiwanese frame.
This one just got a weird paint job compared to the others.

Did I mention its a rip off? :)

the irony makes me giggle.



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And a sidenote, what genre of electronica do you listen to that "matches" these colors? Not being a smartass, just curious. I know very few people who attribute colors to music, and as a music tech nerd (grad student in the field), I find it interesting

Well should mean sub genre..... it depends really on the music its based on; we don't know the scale of the histograph. Histographs are basically just screen shot of a large spectrum analyzer on a color coded scale.

the irony makes me giggle.

i guess this guy doesn't see the difference between something made in Japan and NJS, vs mass produced in 3rd world countries.
:lol:

Well should mean sub genre..... it depends really on the music its based on; we don't know the scale of the histograph. Histographs are basically just screen shot of a large spectrum analyzer on a color coded scale.
Oh, got it. I misread your post.

I don't think this design is based on a spectrogram at all though. Supposedly it's a histogram of SF's terrain, totally unrelated to any music. Anyways, I might be totally misinterpreting your post again. It's late, and I'm tired, and my brain ain't working right :twitchy:

i guess this guy doesn't see the difference between something made in Japan and NJS, vs mass produced in 3rd world countries.
:lol:
Yep, I guess he thinks something made by hand in Japan is similar to something made and welded by machines on a large scale in Taiwan. And since no one took notice of his ignorance the first time, he posted it again for clarification.
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i guess this guy doesn't see the difference between something made in Japan and NJS, vs mass produced in 3rd world countries.


Yep, I guess he thinks something made by hand in Japan is similar to something made and welded by machines on a large scale in Taiwan. And since no one took notice of his ignorance the first time, he posted it again for clarification.

im at a loss trying to tell the difference between my handmade in america hunk of junk and my mass produced taiwanese chromoly frame so thank god one makes all these clicky noises. people keep going on about element 22 and 'rolls of pennies,' but my ears never fail me.

Oh, got it. I misread your post.

I don't think this design is based on a spectrogram at all though. Supposedly it's a histogram of SF's terrain, totally unrelated to any music. Anyways, I might be totally misinterpreting your post again. It's late, and I'm tired, and my brain ain't working right :twitchy:

Or on the other hand it could be just a random histogram.... that mash and cinelli just used so it would look "cool" and people would fork up $1450 for....

i think the paint job is sickkkkkkkk. that's the only variant of the Vigorelli that I like. If it was the same price as the normal ones, i would definitely buy it.

im at a loss trying to tell the difference between my handmade in america hunk of junk and my mass produced taiwanese chromoly frame so thank god one makes all these clicky noises. people keep going on about element 22 and 'rolls of pennies,' but my ears never fail me.

let's see
A mass produced Taiwanese frame costs more than a Japanese, NJS, frame, which has been used for track racing for decades, and has built up a reputation.
NJS equipment often sells for more than comparable equipment because of its specific use, build requirements, and limited manufacturers. NJS equipment is used in the Olympics.


Not ironical at all right?


Yep, I guess he thinks something made by hand in Japan is similar to something made and welded by machines on a large scale in Taiwan. And since no one took notice of his ignorance the first time, he posted it again for clarification.
http://www.bikeforums.net/images/smilies/lol.gif

let's see
A mass produced Taiwanese frame costs more than a Japanese, NJS, frame, which has been used for track racing for decades, and has built up a reputation.
NJS equipment often sells for more than comparable equipment because of its specific use, build requirements, and limited manufacturers. NJS equipment is used in the Olympics.


Not ironical at all right?

With the exception of cranksets, you don't see much NJS equipments in the Olympics.

NJS parts are very high quality. Jesus christ, why do ppl feel the need to attack it? It's getting annoying. Is it overpriced? Some of the frame sets, yes. But most the other parts are pretty reasonable.

I don't know how many times someone has to come here and say "NJS is just standardization blah blah blah"

We know. It's a mark of standardization, and that standard is awesome.

NJS parts are very high quality. Jesus christ, why do ppl feel the need to attack it? It's getting annoying. Is it overpriced? Some of the frame sets, yes. But most the other parts are pretty reasonable.

I don't know how many times someone has to come here and say "NJS is just standardization blah blah blah"

We know. It's a mark of standardization, and that standard is awesome.
I was just about to post the "NJS is just standardization" shtick before I finished reading your post.
I have NJS crankset, while its great, not flexy, and very light, is it worth it to have the "DURA ACE" name for so much higher than a truvativ or eighthinch or origin8 on it for slightly lower quality. For me, the difference is not worth the price.

Also, NJS is so exclusive to a few manufacturers (all japanese save for some campy stuff) that it doesn't really mean all that much to most. A lot of SRAM stuff is just as nice as the shimano DA stuff, but because SRAM is american, no chance of that being labled with the NJS stamp.

TL;DR most NJS stuff isn't great, but that standardization doesn't really mean all that much. as a lot of other products are on equal or higher quality.

dude. its just like anything else out there. Would you really spend 200k USD on a car, *cough European supercars *cough when you could spend 50k USD on an equally fast car?

In the same way, you're paying for the brand name man. Not only is it associated with MASH SF, its associated with Cinelli.

Its Name brand people. Duhhh.

let's see
A mass produced Taiwanese frame costs more than a Japanese, NJS, frame, which has been used for track racing for decades, and has built up a reputation.
NJS equipment often sells for more than comparable equipment because of its specific use, build requirements, and limited manufacturers. NJS equipment is used in the Olympics.


Not ironical at all right?

you have a way with words.

Exactly.
And colors dont dazzle me into blindness...its still a mass produced Taiwanese frame.
This one just got a weird paint job compared to the others.

Did I mention its a rip off? :)

so maybe in a year or so we will see them at BD since he will be able to get them from the same factory :p

so maybe in a year or so we will see them at BD since he will be able to get them from the same factory :p

Those Cinellis are very likely made at the same factory as a lot of other stuff that isnt so trendy. Probably with Specialized and most of the other big names.

gross

MaxSta: "Third world country..." Your ignorance is horrifying. :crash:

Did everything you learn about Taiwan come from a 1980s textbook? Taiwan shats on you and your economy, some of the biggest ballers I know personally come from the island. If you don't know, now you know - Biggie Smalls. If anything in 2010, Italy is blow hard failing and is straight up a 3rd world country in many parts. I hope they get their act together. Here's some news for ya: flagship Colnago C50 type carbon framesets are no longer made in Italy, they're made in Taiwan, just like 99% of the other carbon framesets of the Tour of California and Tour de France.

let's see
A mass produced Taiwanese frame costs more than a Japanese, NJS, frame, which has been used for track racing for decades, and has built up a reputation.
NJS equipment often sells for more than comparable equipment because of its specific use, build requirements, and limited manufacturers. NJS equipment is used in the Olympics.


Not ironical at all right?

LOL @ "ironical." Classy.

And yes, Taiwan, and even China for that matter, are far from third-world countries. Taiwan is further along in stable social structure and economic equality, but both have ridiculous amounts of money, and their cities are redonkeykong. I lived in Shanghai for three years, and I visit once in a while. Once I have a career, I will seriously consider moving back.

LOL @ "ironical." Classy.

And yes, Taiwan, and even China for that matter, are far from third-world countries. Taiwan is further along in stable social structure and economic equality, but both have ridiculous amounts of money, and their cities are redonkeykong. I lived in Shanghai for three years, and I visit once in a while. Once I have a career, I will seriously consider moving back.

Exactly, the GDP of China, Taiwan, and Singapore is holding ground compared to the US and Euro nations. You know NOTHING about economics if you blindly classified Taiwan as a 3rd world country. By 2050, China GDP will surpassed twice of US.

you three are dumb. maxsta is a genius.

If the 3 frames aren't already purchased, buy one, wrap it in bubble wrap and store it away. Wait 300 years. Sell one of a kind antique frame at charity auction. Profit! Buy a kilo tt or madison.

but can we please get this thread back on topic?

Chinse reunification! PRC v ROC!

Discuss

Wouldn't it be 1 out of 3 and not one of a kind? And profit 300 years later? Sorry. lol.

Where are these even being sold?

Where are these even being sold?

Im guessing either at American Apparel or Urban Outfitters.

If you're getting offended at "3rd world" you should go look up what it means.

All I am saying is: When a company outsources it does so for cheap labor. So the frames/bikes made in Taiwan cost a lot less to make than those in Japan, USA, or Italy, so why should consumers have to pay the same price for them as something made domestically ?

Look, a handmade Nagasawa frame, i understand that being sold at 2grand. Not something mass produced in factories!

The guys at MA$H need money to keep making their super cool as **** videos, and their AWESUM website running. I mean they are so cool, that their coolness alone makes their bikes double in price.

Wouldn't it be 1 out of 3 and not one of a kind? And profit 300 years later? Sorry. lol.

Where are these even being sold?

I figure if you buy one and preserve it, the other two will inevitably be purchased and ruined by some geeks. Booyea! One of a kind!

If you're getting offended at "3rd world" you should go look up what it means.

All I am saying is: When a company outsources it does so for cheap labor. So the frames/bikes made in Taiwan cost a lot less to make than those in Japan, USA, or Italy, so why should consumers have to pay the same price for them as something made domestically ?

Look, a handmade Nagasawa frame, i understand that being sold at 2grand. Not something mass produced in factories!

The guys at MA$H need money to keep making their super cool as **** videos, and their AWESUM website running. I mean they are so cool, that their coolness alone makes their bikes double in price.

Consumers are willing to purchase commodities that they think the monetary value is worth more than what they are WILLING to pay. It differs for EVERY individuals. Would I get that new MASH frame? No, but I am sure someone would.

Also, QUALITY CONTROL is the main concern regardless where the product is being made. For example, look at GM and Honda. Despite that they build most of their cars in the US, Honda has a higher quality control over GM.

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http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2010/05/24/histogram_cinelli_mash-PINP.jpg



Mash figures that you guys (on the FG scene) will be as gullible as the guys were on the sneaker scene and buy into the perceived value brought on by exclusivity. I bet they expect you to do this, too:

http://www.ruvilla.com/main/wp-content/uploads/cleveland-yeezy-pics-1.jpg


While they do this:

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Cats/CatLaugh.jpg

Mash figures that you guys (on the FG scene) will be as gullible as the guys were on the sneaker scene and buy into the perceived value brought on by exclusivity. I bet they expect you to do this, too:

http://www.ruvilla.com/main/wp-content/uploads/cleveland-yeezy-pics-1.jpg

:lol:

Welcome back carleton! :D
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Welcome back carleton! :D

Thanks, man.


Not to beat any dead horses, but...

NJS doesn't mean that a product is superior or the best available. It just means that it doesn't provide the riders with a competitive advantage*. Personally, I sort of want the opposite from my bike gear :)

*This is why they don't use:
- Clipless pedals
- Carbon fiber anywhere (bars, saddles, stems, seatposts...)
- Aero frame tubes
- Threadless stems
- 31.8mm bars
- 1 1/8" steerers
- (seemingly) any saddle designed after the early 90's
- Computers or Power Meters
- Modern cycling shoes
- Modern skinsuits (a special 1-piece cycling kit used by track racers)

Given the opportunity, any Keirin racer would JUMP at the opportunity to use anything on the list above because it would give him an advantage and help him win races. So, why limit yourself?

The Shimano Dura Ace 7710 cranks and 7710 BB are the most technologically advanced products on the entire bike. I wouldn't be surprised if Shimano lobbied hard to get their modern cranks, BB, chainrings, and cogs on the approved list.

Japanese Keirin racing is literally Vintage Bike Racing that is strictly enforced being that it is a gambling sport. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they couldn't drink Gatorade or any other modern electrolyte drink :) An "NJS" stamp simply means that a product is approved for that style of vintage racing. It is the Restrictor Plate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictor_plate) of their race league.

So, this is why some people don't think that NJS is better than modern equipment that costs less...because it isn't. If you are into vintage bikes, that's cool. But, that gear isn't better...otherwise it would be widely used on the world level which it is not (except for the Shimano stuff).

And then from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JKA_Foundation#Keirin):
A common misconception regarding certification is that it is a mark of quality, when in fact it is simply a mark of standardization; parts stamped with the NJS logo have become fashionable in recent years with some Western cyclists.

I think the frame is cool looking, but I wouldn't pay that much for it. Some people will and that's all that matters.

Value is increased by limited numbers if there is a high enough demand. That's why limited edition stuff (yes, even sneakers) often either cost more, or get bought up and sold at a markup second hand.