Foo - Mechanic Advice - Axle Replacement

I already posted on some automotive forums but Foo resourcefulness is sometimes surprising so here it is:

This is on a Hyundai Accent 2000, automatic transmission.

While replacing the driver's side front axle, a piece of what looks like a transmission seal, broke. Here's a picture:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/DSCN0791-captioned.jpg

You can see the whole where the axle goes, and this conical thing that is attached to the transmission. It had 5 bolts (I already took them out). But I have no idea if I can just jank it it out and replace it.

I went to the dealership with the photo, they say the part is not sold separately. Is part of an overhauling kit, part number "4501025A01", description "SEAL KIT-ATA OVERHAUL".

Therefore, my 2 questions:

1) Any idea where to get the part, or the kit, cheap?

2) How can I replace this?

Thanks in advance...

PS: Please not that this time I haven't set the car on fire :)

Yay!! a Ruben thread!

I already posted on some automotive forums but Foo resourcefulness is sometimes surprising so here it is:

This is on a Hyundai Accent 2000, automatic transmission.

While replacing the driver's side front axle, a piece of what looks like a transmission seal, broke. Here's a picture:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/DSCN0791-captioned.jpg

You can see the whole where the axle goes, and this conical thing that is attached to the transmission. It had 5 bolts (I already took them out). But I have no idea if I can just jank it it out and replace it.

I went to the dealership with the photo, they say the part is not sold separately. Is part of an overhauling kit, part number "4501025A01", description "SEAL KIT-ATA OVERHAUL".

Therefore, my 2 questions:

1) Any idea where to get the part, or the kit, cheap?

2) How can I replace this?

Thanks in advance...

PS: Please not that this time I haven't set the car on fire :)


Well, seeing how it is transmission related, I would imagine that it is not cheap or easy.

While replacing the driver's side front axle, a piece of what looks like a transmission seal, broke. Here's a picture:


You can see the whole where the axle goes, and this conical thing that is attached to the transmission. It had 5 bolts (I already took them out). But I have no idea if I can just jank it it out and replace it.


Therefore, my 2 questions:

1) Any idea where to get the part, or the kit, cheap?

2) How can I replace this?

Thanks in advance...

PS: Please not that this time I haven't set the car on fire :)

Guns&Roses tried to replace axle once and it didn't work well. (sorry this is foo)

1) Disclaimer: I don't know the specifics of your car, nor have I ever worked on a Hyundai transmission, nor for that matter am I a professional mechanic.
2) Generally speaking, pulling half shafts/cv joints tends to drain the fluid inside the transmission/differential case, so I wouldn't be terribly worried about that, unless you've actually broken something.
3) If you're talking about the black rubber thing in the center, that may be cause for concern. Sometimes you can pull those out from the outside with pliers and press a new one in with a large socket or black of wood. If you decide to go this route, make sure you have the new part in your hand first 1) to make sure it is the right thing and 2) by looking at it you should be able to see how the old one will come out.
4) I just saw the white thing by the lower right of the picture (will you please circle the specific part you're talking about?). That looks like some sort of cheap paper gasket. 1) Someone (Autozone/Advance/Napa) may have it. If not, or if you're feeling lazy, just use some copper/red/black (just make sure it's oil safe) RTV (Permatex), clean the surfaces, and slather it on before bolting it up. Then, FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS and wait however many hours it says to before driving the car.

Guns&Roses tried to replace axle once and it didn't work well. (sorry this is foo)

You should be slashed for that bad pun.

You should be slashed for that bad pun.

Glad you Rose above attempting a bad pun SS

You should be slashed for that bad pun.

I bet when you play golf, you call yourself a duffer.

I saul what you did there RUOkie

4) I just saw the white thing by the lower right of the picture (will you please circle the specific part you're talking about?). That looks like some sort of cheap paper gasket. 1) Someone (Autozone/Advance/Napa) may have it. If not, or if you're feeling lazy, just use some copper/red/black (just make sure it's oil safe) RTV (Permatex), clean the surfaces, and slather it on before bolting it up. Then, FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS and wait however many hours it says to before driving the car.

Yeah if it's that white thing that goes around to all the bolt holes that should be doable. But the picture is pretty information-free so it's hard to tell.

It's hard to tell where the seal retainer is on that set up. If the aluminum part we can see is the seal retainer, you will have to install it from the inside of the trans (Which would explain why it comes as part of the trans seal rebuild kit).

2000 Accent? You should just set it on fire (again) and ride your bike instead. :)

Try www.rockauto.com (http://www.rockauto.com)

I'll post pics of the broken part when I get home.... is not the black rubber thingy inside... that's fine. Is the silver thingy outside...

Are you in a big city? If so then take that photo to the biggest automatic transmission repair shop in town and ask them. Your car has been out long enough that there should be parts available in junkyards and maybe from the aftermarket. You might even be able to RTV the old flange back in place with just 4 bolts and get by that way. There probably isn't any load on that piece, it likely just holds the seal. (The seal is the black donut in the middle.)

You should get as much JBWeld as you can carry. Then glue jsharr, ROUkie and SingingSabre together where the broken part is. Then junk the car.

2000 Accent? You should just set it on fire (again) and ride your bike instead. :)

He set the Taurus on fire when nailing the babe in the back room.
(get the Rubin TM story right)

Rube,where you been playa?I thought the everglades gobbled you up.

Any car I have owned I always purchase the Haynes manual for that car ($20 Autozone).This will give pretty simple instructions for replacing the transaxel.Usually the seals should be replaced but if it does not leak, forgettaboutit.The library will also have the manual for that clunker/beaver magnet.
The "extra car"is still available?

Could just need generic seal from a place like Bearings inc.Dealer only parts are hosers.

You should get as much JBWeld as you can carry. Then glue jsharr, ROUkie and SingingSabre together where the broken part is. Then junk the car.

This would work, except for the fact that I fall apart when subjected to any stress at all. Sorry!

This would work, except for the fact that I fall apart when subjected to any stress at all. Sorry!

yes, he does. I would suggest filling him up with the jbweld and allowing it to cure properly first.

Ruben, what sound did the car make before you took the parts off? *i love ruben's car sounds*

^^^^

I hope it wasn't "Boom chicka' wow wow"

BTW, MV always holds his JB Weld up to a mirror and then giggles.

^^^^

I hope it wasn't "Boom chicka' wow wow"

no...that's the sound that comes from my jeep. The axles haven't fallen off yet.

yeah, but I heard your shaft was bent........

yeah, but I heard your shaft was bent........

Is that an offer to help straighten it out?

It sounds like the dealer may have assumed you meant the black part inside.

LOL... your comments crack me up... sorry for the late reply, I've been a little busy here.

Here's the part that broke:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/broken02.png

And here's is where it broke from:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/broken01.png

and here is again the original picture I posted:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/DSCN0791-captioned.jpg

From the manual diagrams it seems that this metal thingy holds the black rubber thingy. The rubber thingy is the actual seal, that did not broke. The metal thingy, according to the dealer dude, does not come as a separate part, but as part of a kit to do a complete overhaul of the transmission (that even includes the whole transmission case, wtf).

I called a transmission mechanic who after looking at it, told me to use some silicon gasket goo (depicted below), put the screws back and hope for no leaks.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514QAc%2BwhBL._SS500_.jpg
^Black goo thingy^

I did as instructed by the subject mater expert, took the car around the neighborhood and while it's leaking from everywhere else, it is not leaking any transmission fluid. I tried just now to take a pic, but without the car on the jackstands, there's no room for the tripod, my hands are shaky and only got this fussy picture:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/broken03.png

Sounds Addendum:

- The wore off axles, when turning, were making "clack clack clack claka".
- The wore of pads and rotor were making a "wiss wisss wiiiissss".

don't mix up the permatex with your astroglide. It might cause the tranny to slip....

I called a transmission mechanic who after looking at it, told me to use some silicon gasket goo (depicted below), put the screws back and hope for no leaks.

Hmmm, that sounds REALLY familiar.

How did you pull off breaking that? You have some special skills Reuben.

What you have right there is the end cap for the differential. What were you doing taking those bolts out anyways?

Last Hyundai I helped replace an axle on, the transmission side was easy. Just pull.

Eh, if it holds, it holds.

I demand notification when Ruben's car explodes in a tiny Korean-Puerto Rican fireball on some Florida highway.

I'll post pics of the broken part when I get home.... is not the black rubber thingy inside... that's fine. Is the silver thingy outside...

:lol:

I now feel tempted to zip-tie the helmet cam under the vehicle and film the whole thing while the car is running. I have no idea why.

The original picture makes much more sense now that you posted the close up. Yeah...that's part of the case you broke. I'm also curious just how you broke it, and why you had those bolts out at all. It does look like you tried to pry it out. That said, as an engineer I can't in good conscience recommend fixing aluminum case bits with RTV (although that recommended does sound familiar...) to someone else, but I also can't say that I wouldn't do it myself. Normally I'd tell someone they would probably be fine with a fix like that, but with your luck I would avoid bumping into any carbon fiber bikes, it might just cause your car to explode into a million pieces. Check on it when you change your oil, and if nothing is changing, you're probably fine.

LOL... your comments crack me up... sorry for the late reply, I've been a little busy here.

Here's the part that broke:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/broken02.png

And here's is where it broke from:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/broken01.png

and here is again the original picture I posted:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/DSCN0791-captioned.jpg

From the manual diagrams it seems that this metal thingy holds the black rubber thingy. The rubber thingy is the actual seal, that did not broke. The metal thingy, according to the dealer dude, does not come as a separate part, but as part of a kit to do a complete overhaul of the transmission (that even includes the whole transmission case, wtf).

I called a transmission mechanic who after looking at it, told me to use some silicon gasket goo (depicted below), put the screws back and hope for no leaks.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514QAc%2BwhBL._SS500_.jpg
^Black goo thingy^

I did as instructed by the subject mater expert, took the car around the neighborhood and while it's leaking from everywhere else, it is not leaking any transmission fluid. I tried just now to take a pic, but without the car on the jackstands, there's no room for the tripod, my hands are shaky and only got this fussy picture:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn53/RubenX_Longwood/Huyndai/broken03.png

Sounds Addendum:

- The wore off axles, when turning, were making "clack clack clack claka".
- The wore of pads and rotor were making a "wiss wisss wiiiissss".

"clack,clack,clacka,.....wiss,wisss,wiiiisssss......?"

Why that sound is Carmin Miranda dancing while clicking castanets on her hands.
You now have a car with a Cuban beat:thumb:
See if you can flip it in Little Havana.

How did you pull off breaking that? You have some special skills Reuben.

What you have right there is the end cap for the differential. What were you doing taking those bolts out anyways?

Last Hyundai I helped replace an axle on, the transmission side was easy. Just pull.

Eh, if it holds, it holds.

I'll bet he hammered in a screwdriver at the wrong seam trying to pry the tranny out.
How about it Rube,fess up?

I'll bet he hammered in a screwdriver at the wrong seam trying to pry the tranny out.
How about it Rube,fess up?
You don't say!
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You don't say!
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Busted :(
I thought that thing was holding the axle.

But just wait till my next days off come along... I'm gonna be replacing the front struts :D

"the truth will set you free Ruben"
Floyd Landis

Would it really kill ya to buy the $20 Haynes manuel for that car?

If the shock in the strut is not leaking,spring not broken,leave the damn thing alone.

"the truth will set you free Ruben"
Floyd Landis

Would it really kill ya to buy the $20 Haynes manuel for that car?
Shoot, go to a library and photocopy the relevant pages.

Be advised.....I replaced my MacPhereson struts on an Olds Omega about 15 or so years ago, did it wrong taking the first strut off, and bounced the strut off the floor and it stuck in the ceiling of the garage. (No, I'm not kidding......read up on it and be sure to rent the strut clamp before you remove the crown nut.....:eek: :eek: I can't stress this enough!)


Busted :(
I thought that thing was holding the axle.

But just wait till my next days off come along... I'm gonna be replacing the front struts :D

Be advised.....I replaced my MacPhereson struts on an Olds Omega about 15 or so years ago, did it wrong taking the first strut off, and bounced the strut off the floor and it stuck in the ceiling of the garage. (No, I'm not kidding......read up on it and be sure to rent the strut clamp before you remove the crown nut.....:eek: :eek: I can't stress this enough!)

Tom, we all know Ruben isn't the safest shadetree mechanic out there. Just let him do it any old way and when there's a strut sticking out of his forehead, he can post pics.:thumb:

Tom's right on; many people have been killed disassembling struts incorrectly. I just use the weight of the car as a spring-compressor.

Anyway, here's what happens when a Reynolds 605 aluminum flywheel meets human flesh...

http://www.nsxfiles.com/images/larry_eye.jpg
http://www.nsxfiles.com/images/larry_eye.jpg

Be advised.....I replaced my MacPhereson struts on an Olds Omega about 15 or so years ago, did it wrong taking the first strut off, and bounced the strut off the floor and it stuck in the ceiling of the garage. (No, I'm not kidding......read up on it and be sure to rent the strut clamp before you remove the crown nut.....:eek: :eek: I can't stress this enough!)

I can't believe you posted that dangerous stunt here:eek:
Ever day alive after that is a bonus.
You are now enrolled in:

"Prof. Rubens Auto Talk+Dating Protocol Jamboree"

Tom's right on; many people have been killed disassembling struts incorrectly. I just use the weight of the car as a spring-compressor.

Anyway, here's what happens when a Reynolds 605 aluminum flywheel meets human flesh...

http://www.nsxfiles.com/images/larry_eye.jpg
http://www.nsxfiles.com/images/larry_eye.jpg

Just another pretty face damaged.:)

Anyway, here's what happens

I was out for a nice Saturday morning ride on my bike and I ended up looking a whole lot worse than that. Let's all remember to be careful out there. I thought I was careful too, but something failed me.

I worked awhile in a garage and managed to only get a few cuts every now and then. It seemed at the time that we weren't overly concerned about safety but we knew what to do and the proper way to do it, so we acted safely without thinking about it.

I was out for a nice Saturday morning ride on my bike and I ended up looking a whole lot worse than that. Let's all remember to be careful out there. I thought I was careful too, but something failed me.

I worked awhile in a garage and managed to only get a few cuts every now and then. It seemed at the time that we weren't overly concerned about safety but we knew what to do and the proper way to do it, so we acted safely without thinking about it.Seems kids have gotten more stupid and idiotic since when we were kids. Heck, as a teenager I knew how to make change without a cash-register or calculator. Anyway, it was his girlfriend that tossed the flywheel at him. So I guess you just gotta keep the chics out of the garage.