Classic & Vintage - What happened to the stickies in this forum?

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EjustE
07-26-10, 08:57 PM
looks like they disappeared...

yikes.

was that necessary?

(esp. with sticking only mod posts... gee.. like who cares about those 3 posts that are stickied?)


4Rings6Stars
07-26-10, 08:59 PM
They're now in the sticky thread...I guess they thought it was getting too cluttered? I miss having them up top, I think that posting in them will decline significantly without them being prominent.

EjustE
07-26-10, 09:02 PM
They're now in the sticky thread...I guess they thought it was getting too cluttered? I miss having them up top, I think that posting in them will decline significantly without them being prominent.

like that 'sticky' post on the top is really useful and should be there... :crash:


Amani576
07-26-10, 09:43 PM
We all spend too much time here when we should be riding our bikes, anyway.
FTFY
-Gene-

sciencemonster
07-26-10, 09:59 PM
I'm glad they're gone. Having to scroll down for a _whole page_ to get to new posts is a pain. It's a dog-eat-dog world...if people post, it moves to the top.

If you read the thread that often, try control-b and add a bookmark.

fender1
07-26-10, 10:02 PM
Hey I sent you a couple of PM's about the bag for sale. Did you get them?


FTFY
-Gene-

mkeller234
07-26-10, 11:26 PM
Ha, I didn't even notice! Does that mean I am cured? If so I will work on making the cure readily available.

tugrul
07-26-10, 11:58 PM
A couple of recent additions to the stickies appear to have broken the camel's back.

Four of those threads (Are you looking for, Catch of the day, C&V Rides, Where did you ride today) capture the basic cycle most of us regulars are on (seeking, acquisition, rehabilitation and riding), and those threads concentrate a lot of the routine communication we engage in. I know I hit those first before sorting through the other subjects of the day.

Those links in that sticky post are another click & load now, and they don't even link to the last page of those threads, which has got to be the most frequent destination. I know appending "&goto=newpost" would give me a bookmark to the end, but it tries to scroll to what it thinks the last post is, which is always a buzz kill as loading images jump that point around until the page is fully loaded.

Oh well, another lump of coal to deal with.

mkeller234
07-27-10, 12:06 AM
A couple of recent additions to the stickies appear to have broken the camel's back.

Four of those threads (Are you looking for, Catch of the day, C&V Rides, Where did you ride today) capture the basic cycle most of us regulars are on (seeking, acquisition, rehabilitation and riding), and those threads concentrate a lot of the routine communication we engage in. I know I hit those first before sorting through the other subjects of the day.

Those links in that sticky post are another click & load now, and they don't even link to the last page of those threads, which has got to be the most frequent destination. I know appending "&goto=newpost" would give me a bookmark to the end, but it tries to scroll to what it thinks the last post is, which is always a buzz kill as loading images jump that point around until the page is fully loaded.

Oh well, another lump of coal to deal with.

Loading images took forever with my old computer. Change your settings to only allow 25 posts (or less) per page and things will run a lot better for you.

unterhausen
07-27-10, 12:39 AM
They were un-stickied at least temporarily so that everyone would see this thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?665855-****ATTN-All-Members-of-C-amp-V-Read-this-Please-and-Thank-You)

There have been a number of threads recently where sellers were attacked before the whole story was told. I think everyone could save themselves and BF a lot of embarrassment if they reserve judgement and wait for things to play out before they go too crazy on here.

Maddox
07-27-10, 05:31 AM
Bring back the stickies. Most C&V'ers liked them.

Old Fat Guy
07-27-10, 06:07 AM
Bring back the stickies. Most C&V'ers liked them.

No, good riddance.

noglider
07-27-10, 08:15 AM
I agree with good riddance. I'm subscribed to the threads I want to read, which effectively makes them sticky. I want the top of the page to have stuff I haven't read yet.

mkeller234
07-27-10, 12:17 PM
If the threads are really that popular they will stay in the first two pages.

unterhausen
07-27-10, 12:25 PM
I almost never look at stickies. This is evidenced by the fact that I didn't notice there is a sticky that has links to all the old stickys. (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?665861-The-Current-Classic-and-Vintage-Sticky-Threads-Reference-Index-and-Table-of-Contents)

Johnny Alien
07-27-10, 12:41 PM
I was actually excited to see them moved. There were WAY too many and it was a half page scroll to get to the new information.

Zaphod Beeblebrox
07-27-10, 12:42 PM
Bring back the stickies. Most C&V'ers liked them.

I'd like to see the poll numbers.

I say good riddance. I agree with mkeller, If the threads are that popular they will stay on the first page or two....if not then they shouldn't be stickies.

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 12:49 PM
At the very least, maybe the 'Show your bike' thread can remain a sticky, like every other bike specific forum? (Whoa, just noticed the Folding Bike forum is pretty cluttered with stickies! Who's been sleeping at the switchboard?)

KonAaron Snake
07-27-10, 01:01 PM
Bring back the stickies. Most C&V'ers liked them.

It looks like there is pretty even division on this...but I'll cast my vote with Maddox. I really love the ebay/craigslist deals of the day stickie, and for me that it is a lot of what this site is about...mutually supporting one another's addiction. I haven't really opened it since it was unglued.

beech333
07-27-10, 01:12 PM
It looks like there is pretty even division on this...but I'll cast my vote with Maddox. I really love the ebay/craigslist deals of the day stickie, and for me that it is a lot of what this site is about...mutually supporting one another's addiction. I haven't really opened it since it was unglued.

At first, I thought that I might miss the Ebay sticky, but it gets posted to frequently enough that I am not worried about finding it. I vote to keep things the way they are now. We were getting too many stickies and some of them were a bit ridiculous.

bigbossman
07-27-10, 01:15 PM
I think we should make this thread a sticky.

KonAaron Snake
07-27-10, 01:24 PM
At first, I thought that I might miss the Ebay sticky, but it gets posted to frequently enough that I am not worried about finding it. I vote to keep things the way they are now. We were getting too many stickies and some of them were a bit ridiculous.

I think there is a middle ground between having all of the old stickies (and yeah...some were just plain silly) and almost no stickies. I think putting the top two or three back would be minimal clutter and useful.

I also vote for reincorporating the appraisal forum with the main forum...I've barely been there since it moved, and I learned a TON from reading that sucker.

mkeller234
07-27-10, 03:06 PM
I like the idea that we're ALL BEING PUNISHED because some comments inappropriate went on in the stickies.
Seems like the Mercian uproar wasn't even a sticky.

Makes me feel young again.
Like when I had the bad teacher in third grade.

My 3rd grade teacher was memorable in a bad way too. Maybe that is a thing.

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 03:09 PM
I like the idea that we're ALL BEING PUNISHED because some comments inappropriate went on in the stickies.
Seems like the Mercian uproar wasn't even a sticky.

Makes me feel young again.
Like when I had the bad teacher in third grade.

I had a good third grade teacher, but I had the same thoughts as you...

Zaphod Beeblebrox
07-27-10, 03:13 PM
I like the idea that we're ALL BEING PUNISHED because some comments inappropriate went on in the stickies.

On the contrary I feel like my wishes have come true. Its like a new world not having to scroll through half a page of stickies I don't care about to get to the new posts.

sciencemonster
07-27-10, 03:16 PM
I think we should make this thread a sticky.

I think all my threads should be stickies, and anything to do with English bikes and pictures of girls on bikes. And tubular tire threads.

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 03:26 PM
On the contrary I feel like my wishes have come true. Its like a new world not having to scroll through half a page of stickies I don't care about to get to the new posts.

Yeah, but all you had to do was scroll down a bit. To see one of the stickies, we have to click through 3 times and then scroll down the last page to the last post. I'm not sure I have the endurance for that!

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 03:28 PM
I think all my threads should be stickies, and anything to do with English bikes and pictures of girls on bikes. And tubular tire threads.

I'm no software engineer, but wouldn't it be possible for forums to offer customizable sticky-ing, so we can do just that?

Zaphod Beeblebrox
07-27-10, 03:30 PM
Yeah, but all you had to do was scroll down a bit. To see one of the stickies, we have to click through 3 times and then scroll down the last page to the last post. I'm not sure I have the endurance for that!

Well you can put the energy you're saving from not scrolling past 38 stickies towards the extra clicks to get where you want ;)

Adminning a forum is an unenviable job....adminning a forum of curmudgeons and retro-grouches who prefer things "the way it was" must be pretty mind bending.

noglider
07-27-10, 03:30 PM
Yes, that's possible. With software, nearly anything is possible. But the owner/admin of the board uses vbulletin, an off-the-shelf software package. They don't write or modify the software. If it's not a feature you turn on or off, it's a difficult feature to add. They could request the feature from the vendor, but the vendor would only add it if many customers requested it.

Zaphod Beeblebrox
07-27-10, 03:32 PM
I'm no software engineer, but wouldn't it be possible for forums to offer customizable sticky-ing, so we can do just that?

absolutely, get GreaseMonkey. Its an add-on for Firefox that allows you to write custom code to add to any page which executes in your browser and only you see.

Of course you'll have to do the programming unless you can find another BF member who has the same gripe and wants to write a GreaseMonkey script.


Also, built into the forum software if you look at the top of any thread is a drop-down menu that says "Thread Tools". You can subscribe to any thread that you feel should be worthy of a Sticky and they will all show up in the same place in your profile so you can check them all at a glance.

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 04:44 PM
absolutely, get GreaseMonkey. Its an add-on for Firefox that allows you to write custom code to add to any page which executes in your browser and only you see.

Of course you'll have to do the programming unless you can find another BF member who has the same gripe and wants to write a GreaseMonkey script.


Also, built into the forum software if you look at the top of any thread is a drop-down menu that says "Thread Tools". You can subscribe to any thread that you feel should be worthy of a Sticky and they will all show up in the same place in your profile so you can check them all at a glance.

Well, I checked userscripts.org and can't find one for stickies, so that won't be happening unless I decide to take up a new hobby. The subscribed thread method is too much work, too. I've been spoiled...I just want it one click away. Is that too much to ask? Why can't you others write a script to block the stickies? :P

-holiday76
07-27-10, 04:54 PM
Well, I checked userscripts.org and can't find one for stickies, so that won't be happening unless I decide to take up a new hobby. The subscribed thread method is too much work, too. I've been spoiled...I just want it one click away. Is that too much to ask? Why can't you others write a script to block the stickies? :P
i could. I will get on it, as soon as I have some spare time. Should be about 18 years from now.

Charles Wahl
07-27-10, 04:59 PM
Sigh . . . seems like the administrative rules around here are:
1. If it's not broken, fix it until it is (e.g. the ab-user interface)
2. If it's broken, ignore it (e.g. searching).

I don't like having a dozen stickies, but I do very much like having a few of them, eBay/CL and Where'd You Ride being the principal ones. Like others have said, when I come here, I almost always check out the last page of eBay/CL before going on to other things.

Mods: could we get a poll on this, please?

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 05:28 PM
i could. I will get on it, as soon as I have some spare time. Should be about 18 years from now.

I feel hurt I'm so low on your priority list. :cry:

nlerner
07-27-10, 05:31 PM
My plan is to spend less time clicking and more time riding.

Neal

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 05:33 PM
My plan is to spend less time clicking and more time riding.

Neal

You obviously don't ride STI/Ergo!

nlerner
07-27-10, 05:55 PM
You obviously don't ride STI/Ergo!

Hah! I was riding with SPD cleats today, so I did click in a few times.

Neal

Johnny Alien
07-27-10, 06:38 PM
The subscribed thread method is too much work, too. I've been spoiled...I just want it one click away. Is that too much to ask? Why can't you others write a script to block the stickies? :P

Once you subscribe then it IS one click away. It is all in your profile. Also you can get updates sent to you via email and you don't even need to come to the board. I would like to see a poll as well. I think that if the majority likes them then I will deal with the scrolling but I don't want to deal with it because a vocal minority likes the stickies. Especially when there are quite a few options for those that want to get updates. While people can subscribe to a thread to keep updated there is nothing that someone can do to avoid the scrolling with all of the stickies.

JunkYardBike
07-27-10, 07:32 PM
Once you subscribe then it IS one click away. It is all in your profile.

No, first I have to click on the 'Quick Links' pulldown menu, then click on 'Subscribed Threads' then scroll through my subscribed threads, then click on the thread. That's 3 clicks according to my count. Previously, because I have BF bookmarked to the C&V forum frontpage, the threads were right in front of me and accessible with one single click!

I'm half joking about the inconvenience, so let's not get carried away here. But it is likely I'll visit those threads less often now. I suppose if these successive changes are designed to decrease traffic on C&V, it may work.

auchencrow
07-27-10, 07:36 PM
....I also vote for reincorporating the appraisal forum with the main forum...I've barely been there since it moved, and I learned a TON from reading that sucker.

+1

macrylinda1
07-27-10, 07:37 PM
looks like they disappeared...

yikes.

was that necessary?

(esp. with sticking only mod posts... gee.. like who cares about those 3 posts that are stickied?)
They're now in the sticky thread...I guess they thought it was getting too cluttered? I miss having them up top, I think that posting in them will decline significantly without them being prominent.

cuda2k
07-28-10, 05:24 AM
Yes the stickies are unstuck. Don't blame me, wasn't there for that call.

Yes we have an index of stickies. Yes it takes more time to get to those stickies with the index since it doesn't automatically land us at the last page.

For now, I would suggest bookmarking the threads you want to visit frequently. Not sure if there is a version of the URL that will automatically take you to the last page. I'll investigate and either update the sticky index and/or post here.

No, I don't think GreaseMonkey will work on this, it allows you to run client side scripts, but doubt you'll be able to get a client side script to pull up posts of your own that isn't in the data to begin with. Especially with search being so funky still. Not sayin' it is completely impossible, but the time it would take me to write it would far out weigh setting up some bookmarks or finding another solution.

bibliobob
07-28-10, 05:36 AM
+1

+2

beech333
07-28-10, 06:07 AM
Mods: could we get a poll on this, please?

This may not be a bad idea, assuming that there are several options. I could stand to have a few stickies back(Ebay, pay it forward, where'd you ride today) but some others were silly as stickies(show your mixte, C&V century). Not that there is anything wrong with the Mixte/Century thread, they were good threads, but they shouldn't have made sticky status.

KonAaron Snake
07-28-10, 06:20 AM
This may not be a bad idea, assuming that there are several options. I could stand to have a few stickies back(Ebay, pay it forward, where'd you ride today) but some others were silly as stickies(show your mixte, C&V century). Not that there is anything wrong with the Mixte/Century thread, they were good threads, but they shouldn't have made sticky status.

+1...

The mods do such a great job here, and I hate complianing, but I really think some of the recent changes have hurt the forum enough to comment.

Zaphod Beeblebrox
07-28-10, 08:07 AM
Sigh . . . seems like the administrative rules around here are:
1. If it's not broken, fix it until it is (e.g. the ab-user interface)
2. If it's broken, ignore it (e.g. searching).


Charles before you go pointing the finger in the wrong direction you should know that the Admins and Mods around here are not the programmers who are responsible for doing any kind of programming or fixing or breaking of the forum software. Thats done by vBulletin...they have an extensive forum www.vbulletin.org where you can post your gripes to the correct people who are responsible for it and who are the ones who will eventually fix it (or break it again)

incidentally the search function has been working pretty well for me recently...just last night I wanted a thread I'd posted a few months ago and I was able to find it in one search...using the BF search function.

noglider
07-28-10, 08:20 AM
I have my settings here set so my subscribed threads go to email. Then when an email comes in from bikeforums, it goes to its own folder. So when I want to catch up on my threads on bikeforums, I read the emails and click on the links in the messages. It works very well for me with a minimum of clicking. I recommend you try this setup. When I comment on a thread, it automatically becomes a subscribed thread.

Thanks to this thread, I learned how to subscribe to a thread without making a comment in it.

tashi
07-28-10, 09:41 AM
Another vote for bringing back (some of) the stickies!

C/V Rides
Catch of the day


Umm, just those two actually.

lotek
07-28-10, 10:25 AM
Charles before you go pointing the finger in the wrong direction you should know that the Admins and Mods around here are not the programmers who are responsible for doing any kind of programming or fixing or breaking of the forum software.

Sigh. . .

True IB who owns both this forum and vBulletin are the ones working on the search fix.
The Admins/mods here are responsible for general maintenance, i.e. moving threads/forums/stickies etc.

I'll put forward the idea of a poll, maybe a vote on what previously stuck threads to restick, it sounds like a good compromise.

Marty