Professional Cycling For the Fans - LeMond cares nothing for American cycling, just himself... Its sad...

The U.S. economy is in the dumps.

Now, millions of are tax dollars are going to be spent by a bunch of politicians trying to make a name for themselves on the word of a cheater, a doper, perjured himself in court, took vast amounts of money from people who believed in him, and sold a book of nothing but lies. If our tax dollars are going to be spent investigating sports, how about starting with prosecuting Floyd Landis for perjury, and requiring him to return all the donations based on his lies. Then there's LeMond, who was visciously attacked by Landis in his court battle, now holding hands with Landis trying to bring Lance down. Both men are just sad memories of the past. Once they were both heroes to me, now they just seem like vengeful, sore losers. Regardless of the outcome of all this, it will damage American cycling, and it is apparent that neither Landis or LeMond care nothing for American cycling, just themselves. Lastly, Armstrong has NEVER failed a doping control. LeMond bases his claims of Lance doping on his performances during his 7 year reign on the Tour, while LeMond had similar performances at a time when there was much less testing, so who's to say he didn't dope as well. Spend my tax dollars on stimulating this economy and getting the enormous amount of people who lost their jobs back to work, and let cycling's governing body deal with their rules and regulations, that's their job, not the U.S. governments. This all smells of a "witch hunt" as Lance warned, with Floyd Landis, the least credible cyclist in history identifying the witches. We also can't forget this isn't just about Lance.

Landis accused practically all of America's greatest cyclist, including George Hincapie of doping, but you don't hear LeMond tooting that horn because George wasn't more successful in the Tour than LeMond. It's Lance's name that makes the headlines, but this investigation encompasses all who road for U.S. Postal. What a prudent use of our tax dollars during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Just another example of what a wonderful job our government is doing to restore our economy.

Anyone venture to guess whos sock puppet this is?

Wow! What a total jerk comment from the Armstrong Foundation, or the new member purportedly to be representing. Certain of that. I actually know of people that work on the Armstrong PR firm, who part of their job is to go online and post messages on forums and fake blogs, in an effort to sway public opinion. It's called "astroturfing". Purely fake grassroots marketing. Twitter, Facebook, blogosphere, forums all over, etc. You name it. All astroturfing.

Armstrong destroyed Greg's business of over 15 years. "Bitter" - the term coined by the PR firm of Lance Armstrong to associate Greg Lemond with. For all that is right in this world, I hope it comes back to haunt them. Bitter? Wouldn't you be? Armstrong deserves something, that is for sure. And it is a kick in the arse, not a pat on the back.

Wow the OP has 2 posts to his credit and were supposed to fall for his BS.

I am not really sure Lance cares about American Cycling either. I think most professional cyclist care about themselves first. Lance has a vested interest in cycling become more popular in the US because that helps his personal fame and ability to do what he wants, which is apparently sell products and push LAF. One is admirable the other is just capitalism.

Anyone venture to guess whos sock puppet this is?

Mark McKinnon, member of the Lance Armstrong Foundation board, and vice-chairman of PR firm Public Strategies, Inc?

The U.S. economy is in the dumps.

Now, millions of are tax dollars are going to be spent by a bunch of politicians trying to make a name for themselves on the word of a cheater, a doper, perjured himself in court, took vast amounts of money from people who believed in him, and sold a book of nothing but lies. If our tax dollars are going to be spent investigating sports, how about starting with prosecuting Floyd Landis for perjury, and requiring him to return all the donations based on his lies. Then there's LeMond, who was visciously attacked by Landis in his court battle, now holding hands with Landis trying to bring Lance down. Both men are just sad memories of the past. Once they were both heroes to me, now they just seem like vengeful, sore losers. Regardless of the outcome of all this, it will damage American cycling, and it is apparent that neither Landis or LeMond care nothing for American cycling, just themselves. Lastly, Armstrong has NEVER failed a doping control. LeMond bases his claims of Lance doping on his performances during his 7 year reign on the Tour, while LeMond had similar performances at a time when there was much less testing, so who's to say he didn't dope as well. Spend my tax dollars on stimulating this economy and getting the enormous amount of people who lost their jobs back to work, and let cycling's governing body deal with their rules and regulations, that's their job, not the U.S. governments. This all smells of a "witch hunt" as Lance warned, with Floyd Landis, the least credible cyclist in history identifying the witches. We also can't forget this isn't just about Lance.

Landis accused practically all of America's greatest cyclist, including George Hincapie of doping, but you don't hear LeMond tooting that horn because George wasn't more successful in the Tour than LeMond. It's Lance's name that makes the headlines, but this investigation encompasses all who road for U.S. Postal. What a prudent use of our tax dollars during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Just another example of what a wonderful job our government is doing to restore our economy.

incorrect - he rode 7 tours dirty starting with 99'.

http://velocitynation.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

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The U.S. economy is in the dumps.

Now, millions of are tax dollars are going to be spent by a bunch of politicians trying to make a name for themselves on the word of a cheater, a doper, perjured himself in court, took vast amounts of money from people who believed in him, and sold a book of nothing but lies. If our tax dollars are going to be spent investigating sports, how about starting with prosecuting Floyd Landis for perjury, and requiring him to return all the donations based on his lies. Then there's LeMond, who was visciously attacked by Landis in his court battle, now holding hands with Landis trying to bring Lance down. Both men are just sad memories of the past. Once they were both heroes to me, now they just seem like vengeful, sore losers. Regardless of the outcome of all this, it will damage American cycling, and it is apparent that neither Landis or LeMond care nothing for American cycling, just themselves. Lastly, Armstrong has NEVER failed a doping control. LeMond bases his claims of Lance doping on his performances during his 7 year reign on the Tour, while LeMond had similar performances at a time when there was much less testing, so who's to say he didn't dope as well. Spend my tax dollars on stimulating this economy and getting the enormous amount of people who lost their jobs back to work, and let cycling's governing body deal with their rules and regulations, that's their job, not the U.S. governments. This all smells of a "witch hunt" as Lance warned, with Floyd Landis, the least credible cyclist in history identifying the witches. We also can't forget this isn't just about Lance.

Landis accused practically all of America's greatest cyclist, including George Hincapie of doping, but you don't hear LeMond tooting that horn because George wasn't more successful in the Tour than LeMond. It's Lance's name that makes the headlines, but this investigation encompasses all who road for U.S. Postal. What a prudent use of our tax dollars during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Just another example of what a wonderful job our government is doing to restore our economy.

Anyone venture to guess whos sock puppet this is?

The IP address check comes back like Lance's drug test results. Clean. :o

The IP address check comes back like Lance's drug test results. Clean. :o

Which doesn't mean anything. And just like proven before, "clean" results have been shown to actually be quite dirty.

Public Strategies is the PR firm for past politicians, Fortune 500 companies, and yes...LAF. They don't charge a premium for nothing. They have their own proxies. They aren't going to pull an amateur job on a multimillion dollar client. Their astroturfing is unethical and despicable. They've ruined not only Greg's business for their client, but also people's lives in the other political "grassroots" smear campaigns they have run.

They aren't going to pull an amateur job on a multimillion dollar client.

Then this must be someone else, because this "Chapeau" job is pathetic.

Oooooo, 2 posts by the cowardly sock puppet.

Irrespective of who the sock puppet is - there is a grain of truth in what he says. Landis is a waiste - below Jose Conseco on the evolutionary scale. Not sure about Lemond - but he does seem kind of bitter. At least Lance has done some good things with his foundation. And, I could care less if he doped or not -- what he accomplished in coming back from near death to win the Tour is an unbelievable accomplishment - I do not care what drug you pump into your body. I am not sure what Floyd Landis can take credit for - other than being a snitch.

Irrespective of who the sock puppet is - there is a grain of truth in what he says.

Thank you for joining today to post your insight.

These people make it difficult for me, someone willing to give Armstrong and other people who havent failed a fully qualified drug test the benefit of the doubt, to not get lumped into the over all lance worship group. Why is it we cant have discussions about this that dont cast dispersions on one side or the other? I guess it's because of all who have been involved.

Lance says he's clean, and has never failed a legitimate drug test as agreed to by all parties. Even the post-dated saddle sore fiasco was still not a high enough value to be positive. But he's looked guilty more than once and he defends himself by attacking others.

Lemond says he was clean and hates dirty cycling (but rode in an era of far less testing), and hates lance for "ruining" his business. The lawsuit on that is over. Lemond should be focusing on building good bikes. He's hurting his own legacy with his involvement in all this mess. He doesnt have direct proof anyone doped, or else we'd have seen it. If hes called to testify about what he's been told directly by LA or others, good. If his involvement in the ongoing investigation helps clean up cycling, good. Otherwise its a waste for everyone.

Landis has lied at every turn, and he's been proven as a liar, not just suspected but proven over and over and over again. His details sound convincing, and it's easy to believe. Just like every time he lied. Is he lying this time? He's admitted to doping himself (except for the time he got caught), and with what he knows about it, it would be easy to take his knowledge, the timeline he was around US Postal, and make a very believable lie. He already has holes in his story (the wrong years Lance was in Tour de Suisse, etc), so that makes it harder to believe him. And if he is coming clean, it's not as some higher calling, its because he wants to use his dirt against people before statute of limitations run out (by his own admittance).

It's an interesting cast of characters.

Guilty or not Armstrong has a bigger name than Landis or Lemond and they are gunning for him.
But nothing disgusts me more than a rat. Especially one that just won't shut up.

Not sure about Lemond - but he does seem kind of bitter. At least Lance has done some good things with his foundation.

And Lemond just sits back rolling in his own money.
http://www.1in6.org/?s=lemond
http://www.arsnova-mi.org/2009/02/cycling-legend-greg-lemond-champions-the-fight-against-diabetes/

I do sometimes think that Lance gets off a little easy because of the things that LAF has done. And I think LAF has done wonderful things, an impression I get not just from the media and press releases but from knowing people who work with LAF on a professional level.

But sometimes LAF & Lance are thrown out there like he's the only person who has done charitable work.

And Lemond just sits back rolling in his own money.
http://www.1in6.org/?s=lemond
http://www.arsnova-mi.org/2009/02/cycling-legend-greg-lemond-champions-the-fight-against-diabetes/

I do sometimes think that Lance gets off a little easy because of the things that LAF has done. And I think LAF has done wonderful things, an impression I get not just from the media and press releases but from knowing people who work with LAF on a professional level.

But sometimes LAF & Lance are thrown out there like he's the only person who has done charitable work.

Not to make light of your point, there are other people out there doing good work, many of them doing more than Armstrong is for the LAF. That being said, there's rather a difference between Lemond being named the "...Honorary Chairperson for ADA’s Tour de Cure..." and Armstrong putting up his own money, time and reputation to start a foundation.

Armstrong is spending this coming weekend riding in a fundraiser for the OSU James Cancer Hospital (the Pelotonia). Lemond isn't riding in any ADA event that I'm aware of, or as "Honorary Chairperson" doing anything but lending his name.

I'm no Lance fanboy, but let's compare apples with apples.

Is lance actually riding this year? I know he did last year, but I was under the impression he wasnt riding this year; though I havent had as much info as i moved from columbus last year just before the ride. I still get all the emails but hadnt heard anything about lances participation.

The U.S. economy is in the dumps.

Now, millions of are tax dollars are going to be spent by a bunch of politicians trying to make a name for themselves on the word of a cheater, a doper, perjured himself in court, took vast amounts of money from people who believed in him, and sold a book of nothing but lies. If our tax dollars are going to be spent investigating sports, how about starting with prosecuting Floyd Landis for perjury, and requiring him to return all the donations based on his lies. Then there's LeMond, who was visciously attacked by Landis in his court battle, now holding hands with Landis trying to bring Lance down. Both men are just sad memories of the past. Once they were both heroes to me, now they just seem like vengeful, sore losers. Regardless of the outcome of all this, it will damage American cycling, and it is apparent that neither Landis or LeMond care nothing for American cycling, just themselves. Lastly, Armstrong has NEVER failed a doping control. LeMond bases his claims of Lance doping on his performances during his 7 year reign on the Tour, while LeMond had similar performances at a time when there was much less testing, so who's to say he didn't dope as well. Spend my tax dollars on stimulating this economy and getting the enormous amount of people who lost their jobs back to work, and let cycling's governing body deal with their rules and regulations, that's their job, not the U.S. governments. This all smells of a "witch hunt" as Lance warned, with Floyd Landis, the least credible cyclist in history identifying the witches. We also can't forget this isn't just about Lance.

Landis accused practically all of America's greatest cyclist, including George Hincapie of doping, but you don't hear LeMond tooting that horn because George wasn't more successful in the Tour than LeMond. It's Lance's name that makes the headlines, but this investigation encompasses all who road for U.S. Postal. What a prudent use of our tax dollars during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Just another example of what a wonderful job our government is doing to restore our economy.

Cycling needs to be damaged. It needs to be shaken up. It needs to change. It is dependent on corporate funding to survive and in the media centric world these corporate sponsors cannot afford the constant negative publicity of the doping scandals. Neither is it fair to those who do not wish to dope to be forced into it in order to compete.

This is a thinly veiled argument designed to protect the reality that doping is totally pervasive and the UCI and other governing bodies are complicit in the process.

No chance you people could just ignore this garbage?

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We are $13.4 Trillion in debt in this country. Why are we wasting a single penny on something like this?. What a waste of my taxpayer dollars. Is there a single intelligent person in any bureau of our government?.

Its an effin disgrace.

Anyone venture to guess whos sock puppet this is?This guy posts nonsense on cyclingforums also. Sounds an awful lot like sick...

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We are $13.4 Trillion in debt in this country. Why are we wasting a single penny on something like this?. What a waste of my taxpayer dollars. Is there a single intelligent person in any bureau of our government?.

Its an effin disgrace.

Well here you do make a good point. But things are usually done by what is convenient rather than what is morally right. There are lots of intelligent people in our government. They are just guided by faulty and corrupt belief systems and many in secret seek to destroy our nation. Other's use the corrupt system for their personal gain. Here the parallel to Armstrong is apt. By using his own talents combined with the corrupt system of cycling Armstrong has been highly successful socially and financially.

Armstrong has also been able to ride the tide of popularity by fighting the crusade agains't cancer by adopting the methods of the priest's of babylon which he believes do not exist. He fight's the politically correct fight which fails to uncover the truth about cancer and it's origins because this is politically unpopular. They pick and choose which people with cancer they help out to give them the most exposure. Thereby probably passing over some who are the most deserving. The industrialized nations of the earth are creating cancer faster than any medical system (corrupt or otherwise) can cure it. Cancer is the most profitable sickness for the medical profession that has existed. Which is why that some inventions which have proven to be inexpensive cures or helps have been suppressed or destroyed out of existence. By secret societies within the medical profession.

All I can say about Armstrong is this. He has only so much time to choose which side he is on. The less attractive, less popular moral high ground of truth or the way of the priest's of Babylon. If he thinks that he can ride the middle ground for a long time into the future he is mistaken. The only positive way that I see for Armstrong to save his reputation is to come completely clean about his own drug use in cycling and help to clean up the corruption in cycling. Which goes far past him. He can then have two causes to follow.

Well here you do make a good point. But things are usually done by what is convenient rather than what is morally right. There are lots of intelligent people in our government. They are just guided by faulty and corrupt belief systems and many in secret seek to destroy our nation. Other's use the corrupt system for their personal gain. Here the parallel to Armstrong is apt. By using his own talents combined with the corrupt system of cycling Armstrong has been highly successful socially and financially.

Armstrong has also been able to ride the tide of popularity by fighting the crusade agains't cancer by adopting the methods of the priest's of babylon which he believes do not exist. He fight's the politically correct fight which fails to uncover the truth about cancer and it's origins because this is politically unpopular. They pick and choose which people with cancer they help out to give them the most exposure. Thereby probably passing over some who are the most deserving. The industrialized nations of the earth are creating cancer faster than any medical system (corrupt or otherwise) can cure it. Cancer is the most profitable sickness for the medical profession that has existed. Which is why that some inventions which have proven to be inexpensive cures or helps have been suppressed or destroyed out of existence. By secret societies within the medical profession.

All I can say about Armstrong is this. He has only so much time to choose which side he is on. The less attractive, less popular moral high ground of truth or the way of the priest's of Babylon. If he thinks that he can ride the middle ground for a long time into the future he is mistaken. The only positive way that I see for Armstrong to save his reputation is to come completely clean about his own drug use in cycling and help to clean up the corruption in cycling. Which goes far past him. He can then have two causes to follow.

I can't believe I read this. I am at a total loss of what to say.
You are waaaaaay out there with the tin foil hat crowd....

I can't believe I read this. I am at a total loss of what to say.
You are waaaaaay out there with the tin foil hat crowd....

I've been told I can't discuss this topic on this forum because it is too hot so I won't defend myself here. But suffice it to say that you are misinformed. But don't take that as a cut. You are not alone. Do some extensive research on Royal Rife, hydrogen peroxide therapy, MMS. Oxygen therapies. Advanced theories on modern chemical synergies. History of FDA and wall street and drug companies.

Well here you do make a good point. But things are usually done by what is convenient rather than what is morally right. There are lots of intelligent people in our government. They are just guided by faulty and corrupt belief systems and many in secret seek to destroy our nation. Other's use the corrupt system for their personal gain. Here the parallel to Armstrong is apt. By using his own talents combined with the corrupt system of cycling Armstrong has been highly successful socially and financially.

Armstrong has also been able to ride the tide of popularity by fighting the crusade agains't cancer by adopting the methods of the priest's of babylon which he believes do not exist. He fight's the politically correct fight which fails to uncover the truth about cancer and it's origins because this is politically unpopular. They pick and choose which people with cancer they help out to give them the most exposure. Thereby probably passing over some who are the most deserving. The industrialized nations of the earth are creating cancer faster than any medical system (corrupt or otherwise) can cure it. Cancer is the most profitable sickness for the medical profession that has existed. Which is why that some inventions which have proven to be inexpensive cures or helps have been suppressed or destroyed out of existence. By secret societies within the medical profession.

All I can say about Armstrong is this. He has only so much time to choose which side he is on. The less attractive, less popular moral high ground of truth or the way of the priest's of Babylon. If he thinks that he can ride the middle ground for a long time into the future he is mistaken. The only positive way that I see for Armstrong to save his reputation is to come completely clean about his own drug use in cycling and help to clean up the corruption in cycling. Which goes far past him. He can then have two causes to follow.

Stop stealing ideas from the Onion and calling them your own.

I've been told I can't discuss this topic on this forum because it is too hot so I won't defend myself here. But suffice it to say that you are misinformed. But don't take that as a cut. You are not alone. Do some extensive research on Royal Rife, hydrogen peroxide therapy, MMS. Oxygen therapies. Advanced theories on modern chemical synergies. History of FDA and wall street and drug companies.

I have worked in the operating room as an R.N surgical nurse for 20 years and I have seen pain and suffering far beyond what you can possibly comprehend.
And the pain and suffering also extends to the medical staff.
I don't want to read any information that you can present. You've said enough.

Armstrong has also been able to ride the tide of popularity by fighting the crusade agains't cancer by adopting the methods of the priest's of babylon which he believes do not exist. He fight's the politically correct fight which fails to uncover the truth about cancer and it's origins because this is politically unpopular. They pick and choose which people with cancer they help out to give them the most exposure. Thereby probably passing over some who are the most deserving. The industrialized nations of the earth are creating cancer faster than any medical system (corrupt or otherwise) can cure it. Cancer is the most profitable sickness for the medical profession that has existed. Which is why that some inventions which have proven to be inexpensive cures or helps have been suppressed or destroyed out of existence. By secret societies within the medical profession.


Which is quite strange when you think about it.

Because the same secret societies, the same people are going to develop cancer themselves in the future & die from it.

Talk about about effin yourself in the ......

Well, I guess we all go away in the end sometime.

Which is quite strange when you think about it.

Because the same secret societies, the same people are going to develop cancer themselves in the future & die from it.

Talk about about effin yourself in the ......

Well, I guess we all go away in the end sometime.

What makes you think that death is their greatest fear? They believe that they can overcome it one day with science. Even though much unreported good science suggests the opposite.

It is very strange to the normal mind. You are correct in this.

And yes, to most they seem to be "effin" themselves in the.....

They fear getting in wrong with their own people much more than death. Because they know first hand
the realities of how much suffering they can be made to bear.

I have worked in the operating room as an R.N surgical nurse for 20 years and I have seen pain and suffering far beyond what you can possibly comprehend.
And the pain and suffering also extends to the medical staff.
I don't want to read any information that you can present. You've said enough.

I'm sorry to add to your pain because I know that it is real. I have experienced it in my own family and with friends.
I actually wish that what I have learned wasn't true.

Stop stealing ideas from the Onion and calling them your own.

Who is this Onion that I have supposedly stole ideas from. Probably another crackpot like me. But I've got to stop now as this thread has gone down an avenue I hadn't intended.

[QUOTE=Chapeau!;11275633]

Lastly, Armstrong has NEVER failed a doping control.

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Have you conveniently ignored the list of folks who have told of their ongoing doping despite multiple negative doping controls? Landis himself, Frei, Kohl.....If I were Lance I don't think I'd hang my whole case on that point.....

incorrect - he rode 7 tours dirty starting with 99'.

Speculation.

And a fact. He got faster after the samples of '99 & all tests thereafter came back clean. What does that tell me about doping... Hmmm... Might have to give it a try, give up the dope, it might make me faster.


http://velocitynation.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

Ahh Yes!

I do like this part from the interview.

AS: You were able to analyze the results, correct?

MA: I interpreted the results. They assessed each sample according the different criteria, and those were the results that we were given.

Nothing says science like personal interpretation.

Hey daytonian...

Nothing says science like personal interpretation.

Nothing? Try that ol' time RELIGION.

Science = Adjust the hypothesis to conform to new, independently verifiable data.
Religion = Select/alter data as necessary to support desired superstition/dogma. Now THAT'S personal interpretation!

Lest I drift dangerously into the mayhem that is the P&R forum, I'll just say that I'll wait for more (independently verifiable) information to become available before I judge LA one way or another.

Stop stealing ideas from the Onion and calling them your own.

:lol:

Funniest thing I've read all day.

Irrespective of who the sock puppet is - there is a grain of truth in what he says. Landis is a waiste - below Jose Conseco on the evolutionary scale. Not sure about Lemond - but he does seem kind of bitter. At least Lance has done some good things with his foundation.

Like promoting the use of dangerous drugs in sports and showing the cheats can prosper - a message our children NEED to hear!

Like promoting the use of dangerous drugs in sports and showing the cheats can prosper - a message our children NEED to hear!

Yep, please post the links of Lance promoting the use of Heroin, Cocaine, Crystal Meth etc...

'Hey kids, I just won the Tour, Juice yourself up on EPO'. Heres the link to the comment; http://www.thedrum.co.uk/pub/files/photos/news/11112/master.numpty3.JPG






Nonsense & speculation.

http://zfacts.com/p/461.html

We are $13.4 Trillion in debt in this country. Why are we wasting a single penny on something like this?. What a waste of my taxpayer dollars. Is there a single intelligent person in any bureau of our government?.

Its an effin disgrace.

ur funny as they say. I'm curious to know how many anti Lemond posts you plan to create each day. Do you have a quota to fill.

And you're "arguments" (outrage) are amusing. Sorry no one is getting all hot under the collar about your "points" I'm going to assume you just immigrated here from another country, perhaps one that has no rule of law. Even when the country like the United States is in debt we still have a federal legal system (it's not the honor system). When the feds believe a crime has been committed they investigate, in spite of the federal deficit.

And welcome to America, I hope you enjoy your stay here. And I appreciate your concern about our federal deficit!

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