General Cycling Discussion - Your brand new bicycle u-lock is not safe!

We should have bike internal alarms. When someone pedals 2 cycles on your bike w/out "unlocking" the alarm, it will screech loud. :D Have fun getting your ears blasted off.

Essentially, there is a basis for a class action--A class action is a legal procedure used to efficiently handle a lawsuit in which a large number of people have been injured by a common act or set of actions.

Obviously, the operative term here is "injured." Though lockbiccing is not rampant--not yet--it will be. The injury here would be the loss of bikes. To complicate the matter, say even a fraction of those victims had registered with the Kryptonite insurance policy... The rest of us have locks that cost what $15-$60? And now they are useless. I feel pretty "injured." My cousin said it best, "Locking your bike with a krypto-lock is like locking your bike with a piece of string."

I think the most damaging thing that can happen is the loss of repeat sales. I used to ALWAYS look for Kryptonite locks as my first choice and never really looked at the competition. Not anymore. I will NEVER, EVER buy another lock from Kryptonite and will spend my money elsewhere. As it stands, I'm out over $100.00 dollars in CV and U-locks so it's over for Kryptonite. Kryptonite has known this problem for years and did nothing. Who knows how many thousands of bikes were stolen because they looked the other way. Again, I'm done with Kryptonite.

I just visited a bike shop and they still had all the Krypto junk locks on the rack. Furthermore, there are loads of bikes I see on the street with the junk lock so I expect to see a rash of bike thefts in the the next six months.

What's so funny is that I've noticed the food vendors have already changed their locks to American. HA. I guess they knew a while back what was happening.

I've been reading this with great interest, and I think a few things
are relavent herer.
I have nothing to add to the discussion concerning the ease of opening the
Krypto lock, that has more than been proven.
What is interesting is that this was a known problem (see bikebiz.com article above)
since 1992. What is significant is BikeForums and the internet. A 12 year old issue
through the use of the internet, now is all over the place, in print and I would imagine
soon other media.
That is the big difference in my opinion.
Krypto, IMHO will have to respond in some way other than say "Hey we got a new lock to
you can buy to replace the previous one", to maintain credibility they have to offer some
sort of compensation to owners of the current evo locks (and others with cylindrical locks).

For everyone out there that is trashing Krypto, hey they didn't purposely produce a poor
design/product. The company isn't crap and their products are not crap, there
a design flaw, thats all. Give them time to rectify the situation before you decide to
never buy kryptonite products again.
Question: For how long did you own your krypto lock and feel safe using it? If this
issue (bic pen) were not so prevelant would you still feel safe using it? Did they
try to decieve you? rip you off? I think not.
again, wait for the response, then act.

Marty

We should have bike internal alarms. When someone pedals 2 cycles on your bike w/out "unlocking" the alarm, it will screech loud. :D Have fun getting your ears blasted off.

Ask and ye shall receive...

There are several products already out that do something similar. Some of these were intended for securing laptop computers or luggage. Here are a few.


The Bikewatch
http://www.kiramek.com/english/products/bikewatch/Resources/bikewatchblister.jpeg (http://www.kiramek.com/english/products/bikewatch/)
Targus DEFCON 1
http://www.targus.com/us/product_images/pa400u_img4_accessories_b.jpg (http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=PA400U)
APC Sensor Alarm (made by our friends at Kryptonite)
http://www.apc.com/resource/images/family/primary/112_fam.jpg (http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=112&tab=features#anchor1)

I have nothing to add to the discussion concerning the ease of opening the
Krypto lock, that has more than been proven. What is interesting is that this was a known problem (see bikebiz.com article above) since 1992.
{snip**
For everyone out there that is trashing Krypto, hey they didn't purposely produce a poor
design/product. The company isn't crap and their products are not crap, there
a design flaw, thats all.

According to what I'm reading from your post, this is a design flaw that they've known about since 1992 and have not fixed in the intervening 12 years. That sounds pretty crappy to me.


Give them time to rectify the situation before you decide to
never buy kryptonite products again.

Given that their official response is the announcement of a new series of locks that will be rushed to market, that's not very encouraging. I was all for giving them the benefit of the doubt and still am, but the announcement of a new series of products rather than a recall is troubling, to say the least.


Question: For how long did you own your krypto lock and feel safe using it? If this
issue (bic pen) were not so prevelant would you still feel safe using it? Did they try to decieve you? rip you off? I think not.

If they knew about this problem since 1992 and continued to advertise their locks as being secure, how is that not an attempt to deceive?

Krypto, IMHO will have to respond in some way other than say "Hey we got a new lock to you can buy to replace the previous one", to maintain credibility they have to offer some
sort of compensation to owners of the current evo locks (and others with cylindrical locks).

i fully agree with this, and i'd imagine they will. i've dealt with Kryptonite a couple of times over the last few years and always found them quick to respond, friendly and eager to satisfy. i realize they have a lot to deal with here, but i don't expect anything different this time.

the real question is - would i feel secure using another kryptonite product? i'm not sure about that one.

here's an email i just received from kryptonite:



We understand there are concerns regarding tubular cylinders used in some Kryptonite locks. The tubular cylinder, a standard industry-wide design, has been successfully used for more than 30 years in our products and other security applications without significant issues.

The current Kryptonite locks based on a tubular cylinder design continue to present an effective deterrent to theft. As part of our continuing commitment to produce performance and improved security, Kryptonite has been developing a disc-style cylinder for some years. In 2000, Kryptonite introduced the disc-style cylinder in its premier line of products, the New York series. In 2002, Kryptonite began development of a new disc cylinder system for both its Evolution and KryptoLok product lines, which currently use the tubular cylinder design. These products are scheduled to be introduced in the next few weeks.

We are accelerating the delivery of the new disc cylinder locks and we will communicate directly with our distributors, dealers and consumers within the coming days. The world just got tougher and so did our locks.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sandy Salvatore
Customer Service Rep.
Kryptonite
An Ingersoll-Rand Business
437 Turnpike Street
Canton, MA 02021
Phone: 800-729-5625 ext. 282
Fax: 781-821-4777
Sandy_salvatore@irco.com


what bugs me about that, is this line: The current Kryptonite locks based on a tubular cylinder design continue to present an effective deterrent to theft.

i think it's been made abundantly clear that this is far from the truth. i'm not sure how they can continue to make this claim. don't you think they'd save more face by saying "hey, something is screwed up - stop using this lock for a while and we'll work on a replacement asap."?

My plan for my Krypto-Lok is buying a padlock, possibly http://www.mrlock.com/eshop/locks/mfg/master/brass_body.html or http://www.mrlock.com/eshop/locks/mfg/abus/55.html this one to cover the keyhole by closely encircling the bar. How will I keep the padlock from sliding out of place? I'll get a 1"x3"x1/8" piece of steel. I'll cut a hole at one end for the end of the "U" closest to the lock to go through. Then I'll cut two notches of the same width as the padlock shackle about 1/4" deep into the sides near the other end. The padlock will sit in the notches so it covers the keyhole. Even if the steel is bent the padlock will be snug enough that it won't move. I might even be able to use 3/16" steel to make it extra bending/leverage resistant.

After all, the idea is to deter theft. By making it too hard or complicated or time consuming my bike will be left alone.

Look, they've known ever since they opened their doors that just about any reasonably affordable lock can be picked by a half-competent amateur. Hell, even I can do it. Is that an attempt to deceive? No! They sell a reasonably secure device for a reasonable price. Want better protection? Buy a high security hardened padlock.

In 1992 this comes up. Some guy on the Internet claims Kryptos can be opened with a round pen. Maybe Kryptonite cuoldn't reproduce it, maybe they didn't hear about it, or maybe they did hear about it but they said to themselves, it's not terribly well known, just as it's not terribly well known that any yokel with a few bits of spring steel like you might snap off a street cleaning brush or find lying in the gutter can pick most locks out there. So we'll keep going with what seems to be the lesser of two evils.

What I'm saying is that they need to do something now that it's well known, but up to this point it hasn't been. Not doing something about it 12 years ago doesn't demonstrate malicious intent.

Re: OnGuard, I'm glad to see that it's a decent lock. I got the Ultimate Mini because I didn't like the Brute's 5 lbs. Too bad it's apparently nowhere near as strong as the Brute or even the Evo Mini. I wonder how it would hold up to cutting (that seems to be the more likely risk--someone with an angle grinder). Ah well, it still seems more substantial than my old Kryptolok (and has proven so, at least from the ram tests). As for the flat key... It may not be any more secure, but it sure can't be much less.

Finally, Kryptonite does too offer their insurance outside of New York. In fact, it's the other way around. Their insurance company threatened to discontinue their coverage for New York so Krypto responded with the higher rated NY series to keep the coverage. Everywhere else you can use any damn Krypto lock you want and be covered. Also, the insurance company isn't going to pay for this. This doesn't actually qualify under the terms of Krypto's guarantee. For that to work, there must be evidence that the lock was forced open. This is picked and the only people who would be crazy enough to offer insurance coverage for a picked lock would be the makers of high security locks. ie, not your typical bike lock.

Hey, it's not Kryptonite's fault that the Bic Corporation mass produces such a malicious tool. Obviously, all of their pens need to be recalled.

Look, they've known ever since they opened their doors that just about any reasonably affordable lock can be picked by a half-competent amateur. Hell, even I can do it. Is that an attempt to deceive? No! They sell a reasonably secure device for a reasonable price. Want better protection? Buy a high security hardened padlock.

there is a certain threshold which you expect a product to exceed, however. we've agreed that no lock is totally unbreakable or unpickable. would i buy a lock knowing that it could be cracked, but would take a good effort by a trained locksmith using an expensive set of professional tools or saws? sure. because most bike thieves aren't trained locksmiths and don't carry expensive professional tools. they are thugs who carry crowbars and simple picks.



What I'm saying is that they need to do something now that it's well known, but up to this point it hasn't been. Not doing something about it 12 years ago doesn't demonstrate malicious intent.

it demonstrates incredibly poor business sense, though. realizing your product has a potentially fatal flaw and not addressing it just because it's somewhat obscure is never a good recipe

computer operating system analogies are relevant. you'd see this all the time in closed-source operating systems. problems would be ignored for years because they were hidden inside compiled binaries with no source available to the public.

what happens? someone gets a peep at the source or accidentally discovers the exploit by playing around with code and all of a sudden, you've got this exploit that affects thousands and thousands of computer systems which are vulnerable. they are vulnerable because the company which made the OS didn't want to spend the extra few bucks to clean up their product way back when the little obscure problem was originally discovered, and now they've got a mess on their hands.

if kryptonite did indeed know about this problem 12 years ago, i'm sure they've had ample opportunity to easily swap out some inexpensive tooling or materials, or make a design tweak to resolve it. now they've got a much more expensive problem on their hands.

I didn't say "a trained locksmith using a set of professional tools or saws." I said me, a guy who read something once, armed with some scrap spring steel. Total cost: maybe $2 for photocopying the info on lock picking. That's most locks out there, probably including the flat keyed bike locks that most have been raving about, including the one I bought yesterday. I know it. I rely on the fact that most people who might want to thief my ride aren't aware of who simple it is.

My lock and just about every lock out there relies on security by obscurity. For lock manufacturers to do otherwise, they'd have to ask every consumer to spend upwards of $100 for a lock.

And it's not the same as software. Software is something that has incredibly high overhead but very low production costs. To machine a lock that is pick proof demands not only a sizeable investment in a secure design (many of which are commonly known) but also very expensive machining. It's tolerances and unusual shapes (like mushroomed pins) that make secure locks expensive. Software only costs a few bucks to reproduce, secure or otherwise. It's not like anyone who wants be to isn't already intimately familiar with the internals of Kryptonite's locks. That's the nature of producing a mechanical system.

Maybe Krypto underestimated the relative severity of this back then, but hindsight is 20/20. They made a mistake and that's the most you can prove of them, in my opinion. It's up to them now to make right by it and offer something to keep their customers convinced of their reliability and integrity.

(I too registered just to post this)
I was able to turn the cylinder in my Evolution 2000 mini lock with an NBA key number. Of course I was only able to turn it about 45 degrees, and it's now stuck, but I assume that -- were I a little bit better at the trick -- I'll be able to open it when I find a less-thrashed Bic pen.
I also called Kryptonite and they took down my key numbers and phone number and said they'd call by tomorrow.

i'm glad i found this thread because yesterday my bike was stolen and i was on the market for a better lock and heman-strength chain. i'm disappointed because i really had my heart set on buying that kryptonite NY chain and lock.

i'm sure they'll fix this and right the wrongs but it's too late for me :>

Ask and ye shall receive...

........pretty pics deleted.......

APC Sensor Alarm (made by our friends at Kryptonite)


I heard the APC / Krypto alarm can be defeated with harsh words.

I heard the APC / Krypto alarm can be defeated with harsh words.

:lol:

This news will undoubtedly result in more bikes being stolen, and everyone with this type of lock should replace it immediately. For the benefit of those who have not heard the news, I am going to put a xeroxed note describing the problem on bikes I see locked with this type of lock.

I heard the APC / Krypto alarm can be defeated with harsh words.

Agreed. I never said they were effective. I just said they were available. :D

This news will undoubtedly result in more bikes being stolen, and everyone with this type of lock should replace it immediately. For the benefit of those who have not heard the news, I am going to put a xeroxed note describing the problem on bikes I see locked with this type of lock.

man, check out that sweet bike. i wanna steal it, but i don't really know how to pick locks (and i don't surf the internet). oh wow! INSTRUCTIONS are attached on how to steal this bike! must be my lucky day.

later losers!

My lock and just about every lock out there relies on security by obscurity. For lock manufacturers to do otherwise, they'd have to ask every consumer to spend upwards of $100 for a lock.

Locks are not 'security by obscurity'. Locks buy time. It takes time to defeat a lock. Locks are defeated by either picking or force. Using force takes proper tools (depending on the lock) with the risk of detection. Picking (usually) takes longer depending on the skill of the thief. Very few people are skilled in lock picking. That doesn't mean that the skill cannot be easily learned, just that very few take the time or have the patience to learn it. For most thieves, it's usually easier and quicker to force a lock with a bolt cutter, car jack, etc.

supcom, i agree, but my point is that locks are not sold as 100% foolproof, but when you buy an expensive lock, i would argue that you are buying some assurance that the product has been tested against most reasonable methods of intrusion - this is not the case here.

i feel incredibly naïve asking this question, after seeing so much honest consternation among forum members about locking their bikes now that the venerated cylindrical lock has been proven highly vulnerable. but i have to ask it anyway. are combination locks simply out of the question?

one person (forgot the name, sorry) posted a helpful diagram for defeating the standard masterlock combination lock, but what about the kryptonite combo model? can somebody please explain why i shouldn't even be thinking of using this type of lock? thank you in advance...

I've been putting a note on bikes I see with the crappy locks. I didn't say how to steal it but I put a link to this thread. It says that these locks can be defeated with the most basic of instruments and are not secure. It says that they should call the maker of their lock if they are able to defeat it. and I folded the note up and placed it so they will see it when they open their locks. I've put out about 10 since this morning. Its raining and not as many people are riding. I should be able to distribute like 50 next time we have a nice day (i.e. no hurricanes).

I have had two bikes stolen with Kryptonite locks on them. I currently own another Kryptonite lock (Evolution 2000), but rarely use it since I didn't trust it even before. LBSs have posted sign about Kryptonite's problems, but since it appears now that Kryptonite has no plans to address this issue, I don't know what they will be selling. They are saying to use two locks. Yeah right.

Best solution is to stop supporting Kryptonite. There is no way I will spend $30-50 on Kryptonite's new line for "improved security." I shouldn't have to pay for their mistakes.

Interesting Boston Globe article; I didn't realize Kryptonite was a Bermuda-based company.

[QUOTE=brunning] The current Kryptonite locks based on a tubular cylinder design continue to present an effective deterrent to theft.
[QUOTE]

I also have issue with this. It's not the lock that is necessarily the deterrent, it's acquiring the knowledge to pick/crack the lock - that is the real obstacle.

Most people are too lazy to figure out how pick locks or defeat security systems.

Lockpicking, even with web based instructions is not common knowledge. Neither are the tools of the trade. And face it, thieves have boltcutters that will cut just about anything. So, in that regard, Kryptos statement makes sense.

But a plastic bic pen is an everyday instrument. Add to that the proliferation of information regarding the method to defeat the locks, and the number of people that have viewed just this thread, and the effectiveness of this 'deterrent' dwindles significantly. I'd say their responsibility is greater than just pushing the release of a planned updgrade....

my two cents anyhow...

the AP story in which i'm quoted is out...

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=44611

I just hung up the phone with Kryptonite. I recieved the same email this morning and was concerned because the tone suggested I just piss off and buy their new lock. I was going to post a message here saying we ought to take our now worthless locks and send them to Sandy Salvatore as a form of protest.

The woman at Kryptonite could not have been nicer. She said they are building a database of names of people that have contacted them. Although she hasn't been involved in the meetings directly , she assured me "Kryptonite stands behind their products" and that they "will find a solution soon and contact everyone on their list." She expects the solution in the next few days, today or tomorrow.

She was confidante and cordial, and did a nice job of reassuring me my two locks aren't useless and that my $100 wasn't misspent. I could hear other conversations in the background and got the feeling they've been through their own Ivan this week. She told me what I wanted to hear and I believed her. My feeling is Kryptonite is doing major damage control and will eventually do the right thing. For now, we wait.

If you have a lock and haven't contacted them, do so, by phone or email. Be nice with them and give them a chance to solve the problem.

I've been putting a note on bikes I see with the crappy locks. I didn't say how to steal it but I put a link to this thread. It says that these locks can be defeated with the most basic of instruments and are not secure. It says that they should call the maker of their lock if they are able to defeat it. and I folded the note up and placed it so they will see it when they open their locks. I've put out about 10 since this morning. Its raining and not as many people are riding. I should be able to distribute like 50 next time we have a nice day (i.e. no hurricanes).


Please DON'T.

The server is already loaded way beyond capacity. Instead, why not pick 2 or 3 of the movies and put the links to the movies on the notes instead?

Please.... the more attention the forum gets, the slower it becomes, and Joe can't afford to add a new server right now just because of one thread!

Help us out... there are a number of sites that now have the infameous video, and if we distribute the people around these sites, then perhaps we can get a little relief here.

Thanks!

Koffee Brown

Mod

I also just got off the phone w/ Kryptonite. The woman I spoke to said that they are "formulating a plan of action" and will get in touch with everyone who has registered on Monday or Tuesday of next week with a solution. She also said do not try to open your lock with a pen! They are fully aware of the problem, know that it works, and have received calls from many customers who have got the pen stuck in their locks.

Just call them up at 1-800-SAY-LOCK, press #3 for customer service, and give them your name, tel #, and key number.


Ben

A 12 year old issue
through the use of the internet, now is all over the place, in print and I would imagine
soon other media. For everyone out there that is trashing Krypto, hey they didn't purposely produce a poor
design/product. The company isn't crap and their products are not crap
Marty

That 12 year old issue just goes to show you how the net changed the way we do business. It used to be you could produce junk year after year and no one would do anything about it. Kryptonite probably thought that 12 year old issue would never bit them in the A$$. They were dead wrong. The net is huge and information travels real fast. Maybe we should take a poll on how many people will continue to buy their products?

This whole nightmare in the end will cost them MILLIONS! It's not like Kryptonite is a huge company because they employ less than 50 people. It's a small outfit that had 12 years to fix a problem they knew existed! They didn't do anything because it was going to cost them money. Now that everyone knows about the junk locks put on the market, they're finally going to fix it once and for all but it will cost them loads of money.

No they didn't purposely produce a poor product design but they purposely did nothing to fix this major defect once they knew about it! I consider the latter equally as bad.

Please DON'T.

point taken. I'll change them to a link of the AP story and a movie or something.

So now I'm tempted to try out the pen trick on my safe...

Of course, by the time they get to that thing, they could have also walked away with other valuables. :)

here is what I'm going to put on bikes with the crappy locks:

To all users of locks with cylindrical keys: Your lock is most likely not secure. It has recently come to the attention of many people that these locks can be opened with the most basic if instruments. I will not go into it here just in case someone finds this note next to your bike and decides to try it out. For more information, look at the Associated Press story here: http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=44611
Video proof of the process can be seen here (unless the servers get overloaded): http://www.engadget.com/common/videos/pt/lock.wmv
http://biginjapan.com/extranet/assets/ben/krypto_ev_disc_web.mov
If you have a kryptonite (or any other cylindrical-keyed lock that you can open using this method such as Masterlock), call and inform the maker immediately. They will most likely ask for your name, address and key #.

I encourage others to do the same. the word needs to get out to those who don't follow online bike culture.

depends, the 3 number ring types are utter garbage...I can crack one of those in a few minutes. The 4 number ring types are moderately secure. Just remeber, that a thief does not need any kind of tool to see your bike everyday on that post, and try out a few combos a day. In theory a determined thief could take that bike in about a month just walking up to it for a minute a day and fidgeting with the combos sequentially and then turning it back to whatever you had it at when you left it.

So if your bike is something you hold dear ot you, get a u-bolt with a double-row flat key...you know, the ones with cutouts on both sides of the key. Those are still pisckable, but at least require specially designed instruments, not just a common item you cna get from any corner store, or swipe form any restaurant's credit card counter.

I talked with Kryptonite and they said that they had just heard about this on Monday. It is unclear to me that they have known about this for 12 years. I'm sympathetic to their situation. I've never had a bike stolen when locked up with one of their locks, including five years of messing in DC. So I'm not overly inclined to be diss them now. I just bought one of their New York Disc Locks to go with my Quadra-Chain and I feel safe with that set up. I run the chain through both wheels. Then I lock the shackle to the chain at and around one of the chainstays, to discourage both leverage attacks and breakage (sledgehammer type) attacks.

I think that Kryptonite's designers just missed the forest for the trees. They seem to have spent lots of time and effort at defending from breakage and picking, but missed this seemingly obvious weakness in their design. I find it incredible that based on their commitment to keep bikes safe, and to run a successful business that they would have continued to produce locks for 12 years, knowing them to be easily defeated with a 10 cent pen.

That being said, I understand people who are upset at them. Their circular key-locks were not cheep and now they have no use value (other than a paperweight), nor trade value as a result. I hope that they do something to compensate people; that they offer some kind of trade in. Otherwise, the NY Disc shackle is the last Kryptonite lock that I will buy.

It's my hope that they would have a trade in program where those of us with the "BiCable" locks could get a proper replacement.

I don't think this works on my older Kryptonite-4... the ballpoint can't get passed the slim circular opening..... sounds like it's a defect in the new locks???

This is the list of Good and Bad locks complied from a national listserv (http://www.bikeforums.net) and the SHIFT list (SHIFT2bikes.org). If in doubt consider the lock unreliable. Some of the data is the lock type, some are key codes, one is the lock clynder type. If a brand name isn't mentioned it is probably a Kryptonite. If you have an update (good OR bad) email me and I'll keep this list updated and repost it.

Good (or no one has been seccussful with this one...YET)

F#### keycode
YSE#### keycode
"ACE II" on lock clynder face
cobralink lock
Kryptonite-4


Bad

KK ##### keycode (when Krypto shifted production to China (circa Oct. 2002))
Kryptonite Evolution 2000 (full size)
kryptonite evolution 2000 mini
Trek Kryptonite
Master U lock
EV disc lock
Yellow EV2000 disc key series KK####.
Kryptonite CDC, Key number is 5XXX, early 90's
"Schwinn"-labeled U-lock
NBA#### keycode (only 1 person was successful in opening this lock, @5 others couldn't)
Kryptonite 2000
New York Chain (5') with EV disk lock
Kryptonite Mini Evo 2000
YSE Mini
NY EV Disc lock
Evo 2000 Mini LS
Kryptonite "MegaDefender"
KryptoLok Plus
Kryptolok by Kryptonite key NBA 5122

For those of you who are asking about Riggers Chain>>>
G102 Riggers Chain: triple alloy rigging chain
Weissfeld (manufacturer)
Rigging products fax 503-287-1130 (distributor in Portland)
Allied Security International 1603 NE Martin Luther King Jr Blvd - (503) 281-1177 (where I bought my chain and American #700 lock)

I just spoke with Deb at Kryptonite she said that they ARE working on a solution and that they will start calling people as soon as possible. She made it quite clear that the company DOES intend to stand behind their products and we will NOT be left high and dry by having to purchase new locks. She couldn't get too deep into the details as the legalities haven't been ironed out when she and I had spoken (around 3 pm EST). She did ask for the link to the 1992 article that states that Kryptonite knew about this problem way back when and gave me her e-mail addy so that i could send it.
She also expressed her thanks to those of us who have called and were nice in expressing our inquiries. Her only regret is that she wishes that someone had contacted Customer Service with this problem PRIOR to it going on the 'net. According to her, she shares our concerns with these locks as both she and her husband use the EVO 2000 model locks to secure their own bikes. All in all the conversation I had with her was reassuring in the fact that they ARE working on it and a solution IS coming. Phone calls for those who have registered there information with the company should start as early as tomorrow.

Kryptonite, from all acounts, values their reputation as a leader in the Bike Lock Industry and seems to be working hard to get some major damage control done in the intrest of both the customer and their own reputation

point taken. I'll change them to a link of the AP story and a movie or something.


God bless you Tim for having mercy on our slow server in these trying times...

:D ;)

Seriously, though... thanks! Check out some of the past threads. People have created their own links with the videos on them in attempt to divert some of the extra traffic we've gotten.

Koff

Hey...

Looks like my sportek lock is now penproof. How so? Mine is so ez, its 7 studs that you simply turn to open the lock, just that the pen tip dont have those grooves. Not to mention, I jammed the studs inward so now its hard to open with the key, let alone with a pen. Zellers r0x0rs. But damn...they can simple un-ulock it. Oh yeh, theres a press confrence 2day that kryptonite is doing! Oh no!

this story is on NPR right now!

Hey...

Looks like my sportek lock is now penproof. How so? Mine is so ez, its 7 studs that you simply turn to open the lock, just that the pen tip dont have those grooves. Not to mention, I jammed the studs inward so now its hard to open with the key, let alone with a pen. Zellers r0x0rs. But damn...they can simple un-ulock it. Oh yeh, theres a press confrence 2day that kryptonite is doing! Oh no!
How about posting something USEFUL and intelligent without the AOL'ese?

I easily opened both of my Kryptonite locks with YSE series keys. My advice is to assume your lock is vulnerable regardless of the key series.

There was barely any in there.

There was barely any in there.Doesn't matter how much is in there. You've been told before to make your posts more readable and to stop using the AOL'ese. It only serves to make you look like a stupid kid.

For those who are looking to replace an Evo 2000 Mini LS (as I did) - Onguard makes a long-shackle version of their Ultimate Mini, though it's not in their online catalog. The only place I've found it is at bicyclebuys.com - I ordered yesterday, and recieved it today with a small free gift enclosed as a thank-you (promo patch kit with their logo on it). I'm not associated with them, but was pleased with their service.

If anyone's interested, I'll post exact measurement differences vs the Evo 2000 Mini LS when I get home; already I can tell you it's a bit heavier than the Evo, but nothing like the 5.5 pounds of the Brute Mini LS.

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So, with the two locks laying atop one another, I can say:
The interior width of the shackles are identical. The exterior width of the OnGuard is slightly larger, perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 inch, due to the larger diameter and square shape of Onguard's shackle vs. the Evo shackle.
The interior length is also roughly equivalent; the Onguard may be ever-so-slighly longer. The exterior length of the Onguard is almost a full inch longer than the Evo, due almost entirely to the larger diameter of its crossbar.

Also, because the Onguard has a square shackle, it can only mount at very specific angles to the bike tube when in storage on it's mounting bracket; I am unable to get it to fit in the same space on my frame as the Evo used as a result. Still, this seems like a nicely engineered hunk of steel!

hey, who was the mod that moved my reply to this thread regarding combo u-locks, but didn't move the original poster's question? If his thread still stands could you possibly move it back so he doesnt have to swim through this deluge of posts just to find it?

Hey, it's not Kryptonite's fault that the Bic Corporation mass produces such a malicious tool. Obviously, all of their pens need to be recalled.


ha...great...where are the tort lawyers...we need massive class action on a large scale so a few wealthy lawyers can get extremely wealthy

I wonder about other makers...I have the masterlock series cuffs...but I never lock my good bike up with it...justa crappy old commuter for riding around berkeley

I talked with Kryptonite and they said that they had just heard about this on Monday. It is unclear to me that they have known about this for 12 years.

As a lock manufacturer, it is K's ethical duty to keep up on lock cracking methods. If they truly had not heard of this until now, I'd seriously question their competance.