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fredgarvin7
09-02-10, 10:13 AM
Bike vigilantes: Victims strike back
By Lauren Smiley Wednesday, Nov 18 2009
A couple of weekends ago, Malcolm McMahon was on his way to buy a steel U-lock for his bike when he stopped at the Mission Branch Library, chaining his bicycle to a streetlight with a flimsy cable. When he walked out 10 minutes later, his stomach sank — no bike.

Malcolm McMahonBrian BuckelewCrimeBurglary Having just moved from New Jersey, the 22-year-old City College student had become the latest victim of the San Francisco "**** you." A library clerk told him it happens all the time. The bike shop said the same.

Understand that McMahon is no gearhead: He says he knows nothing about bikes, and is just an "average guy" who moved here "to get my rear in gear." Yet somehow the theft roused something in him — a sense of injustice, perhaps. He was appalled to learn that San Francisco had no "bait bike" program like the ones in other cities he had read about online, in which bikes are put out to lure unwitting thieves who are then arrested.

So McMahon decided to do something. He posted an announcement on Craigslist headlined "Bike Thefts Must Stop/You Can Help $1," calling for people to "band together" for "ethical and legal methods of capture and prosecution." In three days, he received more than 130 e-mails.

His idea was to place a bait bike out with a crappy lock and wait for a thief to home in. Once a thief cut the lock off, up to 10 volunteers nearby — "one at a bus stop, one reading a newspaper on a park bench, a couple panhandling for change," as McMahon imagined it — would surround the thief and "use enough force" to make a citizen's arrest and call the cops.

McMahon discussed his plans with Officer Calvin Chow at Mission Police Station. "I said, I don't know," Chow recalls. "You think these people are just going to stop and submit to your guys? A lot of times they don't submit to us."

Chow said he counseled McMahon about the dangers: The thief could have a weapon. If the volunteers became too aggressive, they could face charges instead of the thief. Plus, there's no guarantee that the district attorney would prosecute the charge. (DA spokesman Brian Buckelew seemed amused by McMahon's idea: "That's funny. It's possible.") Chow thinks he had little impact: "I got the idea he's really going to go ahead and do this, even after my caution not to," he said, chuckling. "I told him, e-mail me if you do."

McMahon says his group might still consider the citizen's arrest route, yet will focus on Plan B: placing a GPS or radio transmitter device on the bike, which volunteers with receivers can then track down. With just 10 "supercommitted" volunteers at this point, he and his allies launched a blog last week, and will post fliers to attract more. The title? The Concerned Cyclists Community Program — the CCCP, "just like old Russia," he says. Bike thieves beware: The comrades are watching.

Notice the cops are doing NOTHING to help these folks. They just try and discourage them. That's WHY they have to do it themselves!!! No glory for the doughnut comandos in catching bike or even car thieves. But they will chase someone for 20 miles at 100 mph for not obeying a road stop. I know of one local case where a teen-ager ran because he panicked over having an expired registration. A 14 year-old girl was run over by a patrol car and later died. All because of a paper violation which would have resulted in a $20 fine. (This was before states & municipalities started balancing their budgets with traffic fines.) Nope, it's, "Fill out this form and if a MIRACLE happens and it turns up, or if someone stumbles over it in the dark, we'll tell you where to pick up the wreckage!"


mustachiod
09-02-10, 10:55 AM
hope it all goes well for them

AdamDZ
09-02-10, 10:58 AM
Taking the law into your hands is a dangerous thing to do in times when a burglar can sue a house owner for breaking his leg while breaking in into his house. These guys may end up being sued.

Just make sure there are no witnesses and shoot the mofo :D


mustachiod
09-02-10, 11:37 AM
...shoot the mofo :D

but not in the back, harder to claim self defense that way

Wanderer
09-02-10, 11:50 AM
Just catch him, and beat him badly..................

Catch/beat enuf, and word will get around.......

fietsbob
09-02-10, 12:01 PM
I moved out of the city.

SlimAgainSoon
09-02-10, 12:18 PM
Alternatively, have the vigilantes shoot a ton of photos, and some video, too, good enough to ID the cretin, including pix of the van used to haul the bike away.

That ought to get some police action.

Be fun to post it on the Web as well.

Booger1
09-02-10, 01:14 PM
I'd bring an extra chain and chain them to the pole.

I'd do this in a second,the cops do NOTHING.Just like a cop,to lazy to do anything but will threaten you with prosecution if you do anything yourself.

I got robbed at gunpoint in my own town,cops do nothing.I've had 2 cars stolen,cops do nothing.If you confront them,they get pissed and start threaten you.

Just yesterday,I saw a local cop,stop in the middle of 5.00 pm traffic to let somebody make an illegal u-turn,right in front of him and they did nothing.I couldn't believe my eyes.

Have another donut.

FunkyStickman
09-02-10, 01:43 PM
Here's their blog:

http://cccpsf.wordpress.com/

AdamDZ
09-02-10, 01:47 PM
LOL! i like the idea of chaining the thief to a fence, ha ha ha!

Kimmitt
09-02-10, 02:12 PM
Cops are trained specifically to take control of situations; I hate the idea of a confrontation.

However, a "bait bike" program in general is something I'm going to look into myself.

Booger1
09-02-10, 02:20 PM
Looks like the web site has been inactive for awhile,too bad,it's a good idea,especially if you could actually get the police to help/advise you.

I love the idea of a confrontation,then the bad guys have to look over their shoulders all of the time.If they have to watch out for joe citizen in plain clothes,makes there job much tougher,they don't know who is who.

If the group has overwelming numbers,they can take control with no violence.Can you say dog pile.

canopus
09-02-10, 02:22 PM
All it takes is enough denials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

ron521
09-02-10, 02:33 PM
I just watched Jodie Foster in "The Brave One". Absorbing drama about a woman whose dog is stolen, and whose fiance is killed by street thugs when he tries to retrieve the dog.
When the police seem unable to proceed, she takes matters into her own hands.
One scene where she confronts one of the gang members who asks her what she wants. Her chilling reply...."I want my dog back"...and she gets him back.
I should stress that this is much more than an action/crime drama. There is a serious message here about the psychological changes which take place in the "vigilante" as a result of their decision.
Reading the thread, I could not help but picture Jodie saying "I want my bicycle back"....

AdamDZ
09-02-10, 02:39 PM
Yeah, I saw that movie. It was pretty good.

nashcommguy
09-02-10, 03:01 PM
All it takes is enough denials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

Hmmm, I get your point, but I'm wondering why the '30 or 40' people weren't charged w/conspiracy to 1st degree murder? Or, at least some sort of civil rights violation(s) by the Feds? Anyway, I wish these CCCP people all the best in their efforts to curb bicycle(or accessories...having been a victim myself) thievery.

Standalone
09-02-10, 03:13 PM
Just get Clint Eastwood to drive his vintage "Gran Fondo" around and set things straight with the local thugs.

wunderkind
09-02-10, 03:27 PM
We need the caped crusader in times like these!
Will some one wheel out the searchlight!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hiMwf4onmEs/S5HQtHnhjTI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/39QaMRd5W1A/s400/batman+light.jpg

Absenth
09-02-10, 04:08 PM
Why can't we just booby trap the seat post so that if not disarmed properly, a second smaller tube fit inside the seat tube be launched skyward when >=100# of force is placed on the seat by 12gram.....


*whistles innocently*

zeppinger
09-02-10, 07:19 PM
Even if is little club turns out to be a failure, catch no criminals or get arrested themselves, their efforts are bringing the problem to the public's attention. They have a website and they are talking with local law enforcement about their concerns. If they do get arrested or do catch a thief they will get even more press.

enine
09-02-10, 07:53 PM
Same in my city, anything stolen, be it a bike, car, tools, etc "thats what insurance is for"

Seattle Forrest
09-02-10, 08:33 PM
If the group has overwelming numbers,they can take control with no violence.Can you say dog pile.

If the group has overwhelming numbers, violence probably can't be avoided. When have you known an angry mob to do the sensible thing? And violence in response to mock property crime is kind of insensible.

Now if they can avoid rousing angry mobs to lynch people, and actually get the police to take this seriously, more power to them.

ianbrettcooper
09-02-10, 09:40 PM
I've had 2 cars stolen,cops do nothing.If you confront them,they get pissed and start threaten you.

Just yesterday,I saw a local cop,stop in the middle of 5.00 pm traffic to let somebody make an illegal u-turn,right in front of him and they did nothing.I couldn't believe my eyes.

Have another donut.

Yup. And with a bicycle in the mix they seem even less likely to do anything. Basically cops consider bicycles to be kids' toys on par (in terms of value) with the Happy Meal toy a kid gets with his McDonald's meal. The only way the police would go after a bicycle thief would be if the stolen bike's pannier contained the precinct's donut ration.

mustang1
09-03-10, 12:24 AM
Harry Brown
Death Wish
Law Abiding Citizen
CCCP

illdoittomorrow
09-03-10, 02:50 AM
...McMahon discussed his plans with Officer Calvin Chow at Mission Police Station. "I said, I don't know," Chow recalls. "You think these people are just going to stop and submit to your guys? A lot of times they don't submit to us."

This dude's not kidding... there was an instance here where, IIRC, the thief fought, in succession, the rightful owner, a campus security guard (the attempted theft was on university grounds) and then a for-real cop. All to escape a charge of theft under $5000, and maybe a charge for possessing burglary tools- I'd be surprised if he got any actual time for that.

Nigal
09-03-10, 03:26 AM
Don't steal bikes bro! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfTicjVG_ZU)

AdamDZ
09-03-10, 04:48 AM
Don't steal bikes bro! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfTicjVG_ZU)

Yup. That's a great video. Funny, the thief actually had a helmet! Must have been concerned with his safety.

curbtender
09-03-10, 05:52 AM
You guys should put in a tracking device and find the den of evil do-ers... and maybe all your bikes.

K'Tesh
09-03-10, 06:06 AM
Catch thief, U-Lock thief to bike rack (around the neck)

colleen c
09-03-10, 07:22 AM
I wish the best for these Vigilante. However just for the sake of their own liability, I only hope they will video record every action that happens. Beyond just court evidence against the accused, the recording may also limit as to keep things from getting out of hand for the Vigilante.

It's too easy to become irrational when one, or worst, a group of people. Things do escalate. Catching a theive can really raises one adrenaline fairly fast and especially if it is your property. In my lifetime, I had a case where a guy was trying to stab me with the same screw driver he used to break into my car and my friend and I caught him in surprise. I tried a stun gun but it fail because those thing were weak back in the 80's. Several years later, I caught two theives in progress of trying to steal my Alpine stereo from my car and I sat on the balcony with my shot gun loaded with buckshot alongside was my dad with his 45 (yes, living in Oakland back then have a tendancy to make a person to learn how to use a firearm). We took the right step and call the police who kept us in constant touch with 911 to set up a police perimeter around the area. They did catch those suspect and they pleaded guilty getting 3 month jail time and 1 year probation. It was tempting to take laws into your own hand each time something like this happen. Then 10 years back, I got assualted when I let my guard down. Today I don't even leave the house without carry two Taser. So yeah, things can escalate.......just saying.

AdamDZ
09-03-10, 09:10 AM
Wow, Colleen, you must live in some bad neighborhood :( In my 22 years in NYC I was never assaulted and I am not a scary looking big guy or anything like that. Neither was my mom and my wives. I had two minor burglaries but never a physical confrontation. I don't ever carry a Mace or anything. But I'm never outside during odd hours. Maybe I'm just lucky.

colleen c
09-03-10, 10:59 AM
When I was living with my parents, their condo was not in a too bad of an area. But the neighbor gets a lot of outsider that come to steal car radio to support their drug habits from the East and West side. The time I got assaulted was in San Francisco in the Tenderloin which back in the 90's had a lot of drug pusher out there and I was happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Each time a crime or incident happens, it really gets me rev up. That's why sometimes I think Vigilante can be bad because say if I was part of that Vigilante group as a volunteer, I may go beyond simple citizen arrest because of my past experience and may attempt to do personal harm because of different agenda. So a Vigilante can be good and bad.

B. Carfree
09-04-10, 10:50 PM
A long time ago in a far-away place... I had a friend who found his stolen bike. He had been carrying his proof of ownership ever since it was stolen so he called the cops and waited for the thief to come unlock it. The person who unlocked the bike claimed he had just borrowed it from his room-mate who had dozens of bikes. The cop offered to not arrest him for possession of stolen property if he gave the cop permission to search his house. The room-mate (bike thief) then had a really bad day.

Kimmitt
09-06-10, 07:53 PM
Some stories have a happy ending, and some cops are both decent and good at their jobs.