Folding Bikes - First Official Folding Bike Thread!! :) Name Your Bike!

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clayface
09-28-05, 08:29 AM
Excellent job. This just shows the potential of the U-frames and that there are good vintage frames out there other than the Raleigh Twenty.


Roberto


v1nce
09-30-05, 04:46 AM
Hey Clayface. Yeah i agree it is an outstanding job. Though if you read the other thread concerning U frames i would say that very much suggests very few if any of those are truly good alternatives. Most are just rather shoddy and end up failing.

clayface
09-30-05, 06:50 AM
Yes v1nce, it can be a hit and miss job. But my words were base on Boe's first comments in his TwentyFixer thread on how his folder rides.
However, I've been fortunate enough to come across a good one. My Victoria folder dates back to the early 70's and I'm sure it was abused by children (ruined paint in the one piece stays-rack suggests so) because that's how folders were sold here in those days. Since I decided to build it up (I found the frameset in a rubbish dump) I've been riding it both on and off road without a niggle.


Roberto


v1nce
09-30-05, 07:53 AM
Cool. Do you have pictures of that Victoria on these boards or elsewhere, i haven't come across them yet. Sound interesting. Ah yes the 70's. Back in the days they made some nice bikes! Mind you i wasn't born yet in the early seventies har har.

clayface
09-30-05, 01:09 PM
Cool. Do you have pictures of that Victoria on these boards or elsewhere, i haven't come across them yet. Sound interesting. Ah yes the 70's. Back in the days they made some nice bikes! Mind you i wasn't born yet in the early seventies har har.


Here's the shot (quality is rather poor) I found the frameset, seatpost , stem and bars. The paint and seatpost were in a sorry state so just repainted it and got a new seatpost. I've just got some adaptaers to use a cotterless BB and so replaced the original cottered crankset (we corresponded about your Twenty's original a few weeks ago) with this one. There are still a few things to solve: fit the rear brake in its "normal" position, get a short cage rear derailleur and mudguards.
The hinge is solid and so the frame doesn't flex if it's tightened correctly. Weight is around 13 kgs and folding dimensions are in line with most modern 20" .


Roberto

af895
09-30-05, 03:58 PM
Great bike Roberto! The rear geometry resembles the Bianchi "Aquiletta" (and the "Aquilotto" motorized version). Very nice design that doesn't need seat-stays, instead using the rear rack as part of the structure.

Here's a couple of links I found to the Bianchis, for comparison:
http://www.mopedarmy.com/photos/brand/144/2588/
http://www.yellowjersey.org/aq.html

Love to see more pics when you've got them.

v1nce
09-30-05, 06:29 PM
@ Clayface. Oh yeah, now i remember, yeh u were looking for cranks. Very nice wheels! The dropouts, frame geometry, tube thickness and all the rest suggest it is a well built/quality machine. The beefy back rack and the reinforcing "strut" by the headtube are cool. I like it! Did it come with a derallieur hanger?! And if not how did you get one on there. More (detail) pics please!! :)

clayface
10-02-05, 09:14 AM
Thanks for your kind words.

Well, I decided to spend the spare time this weekend completing the unfinished jobs and show a few more pics (these days I'd rather go riding than tinkering over the bikes!)



Did it come with a derallieur hanger?! And if not how did you get one on there. More (detail) pics please!! :)

Victoria are still making fine bikes these days in Germany, most of them geared, but back in those days most of their bikes were single speed with a coaster brake (the rest of their production was dedicated to motorcycles). The hanger in this bike came with the SunTour derailleur. It's an 86 Cyclone MkII model.


I got the tyres (Haro MultiSurface II 20x1.75) and rims (Weinmann Zac 4019, 36h) off ebay for a very reasonable sum and laced them to some unbranded vintage hubs that I had lying around the parts box to make a solid wheelset.

Freewheel is a 5 speed Regina Extra BX and the chain is a pre-Sram, gold Sachs. The chainstays are so short that any shift of the chain to any cog other than the middle one results in the worst chainline I've ever seen (so I won't bother to squeeze any more gears into it!).

I found the mudguards very cheap in a department store. They are plastic (very similar to the ones v1nce shows in his page) and meant for 26" wheels. The front one needed a bit of "ovenwork" to get the adequate shape.

I decided to keep a low budget for this bike since it was going to be a back-up bike. Most of the parts were already with me so the final cost was around €70. It's great fun to ride, specially when the children and grown-ups in the neighbourhood see me riding a "strange bike with such small wheels" (folders are absolutely uncommon here) :).


Roberto

af895
10-02-05, 09:28 AM
Hey V1nce! To add to Roberto's reply: There are versions of many, perhaps most, derailleurs (Shimano, SRAM, Campy etc) that have the option axle mount. (integrated hanger? Not sure of the terminology)

Roberto: thanks for those pics. Colour bears a striking resemblance to the green used by Mercedes-Benz in the late 1970's/early 1980's - CLASSIC! Very much a keeper - great job restoring it.

v1nce
10-02-05, 09:38 AM
Nice pictures, i like the perforated front chain ring. Looks like a cracking bike and the low cost is remarkable. So the derallieur hanger/assembly is an old school variety that will work in most 'old campagnolo style' or similair drop outs or am i mistaken?

Funny that folders are such "freak out machines" in your area. Sometimes when i am feeling petty i am tempted to start a website called FoldersRule.com or something like that. Then i could give stickers with that URL to everyone rocking folders to stick on their frames. On the site would be information regarding the great benefits of folders, 20 inch and maybe Brooks. In order to educate the Zombiefied 700 cc "ha ha, is that a kids bike?!" masses. ;-)

clayface
10-02-05, 10:07 AM
So the derallieur hanger/assembly is an old school variety that will work in most 'old campagnolo style' or similair drop outs or am i mistaken?

I've even used that same hanger with track style horizontal dropouts (I know the SS and fix community will rule me out for doing such atrocity! :o ) So yes, they work on almost any dropout with any derailleur.


Roberto

Boe
10-03-05, 05:36 AM
clayface, what cranks are thoose, looks like Super Mighty?!!!

clayface
10-03-05, 08:49 AM
Late 70's French Solida. Nothing special, just one step above cottered cranks.

Roberto

Don Lundquist
10-03-05, 08:39 PM
Just bought what looks like the twin of your "Hon California" at a flea market (outside chicago) You already know more about the bike so I'm interested in other info you get including how old it is. You said the serial # looked scratched out. Where was it? I have 3 other "older folders" (2 Italian 1 German)The HON is the newest and the easiest to find info on so I appreciate info on ID'ing souces and origins of all my bikes. And thanks for the picture.

ccm
10-08-05, 12:33 AM
I Have Got A Dahon Speed D7 :d

v1nce
10-08-05, 08:29 AM
@ cccm: Nice that Dahon, simple, steel? and does the job! How much did it cost you if i may ask?

ccm
10-09-05, 07:46 AM
@ cccm: Nice that Dahon, simple, steel? and does the job! How much did it cost you if i may ask?
HI !Vince:the Dahon Speed D7 is made by 4130 Chromoly Steel and I really enjoy the riding.It cost me $260 US dollars!

Your Twenty looks great. I

James H Haury
10-09-05, 08:11 AM
Thanks for your kind words.

Well, I decided to spend the spare time this weekend completing the unfinished jobs and show a few more pics (these days I'd rather go riding than tinkering over the bikes!)




Victoria are still making fine bikes these days in Germany, most of them geared, but back in those days most of their bikes were single speed with a coaster brake (the rest of their production was dedicated to motorcycles). The hanger in this bike came with the SunTour derailleur. It's an 86 Cyclone MkII model.


I got the tyres (Haro MultiSurface II 20x1.75) and rims (Weinmann Zac 4019, 36h) off ebay for a very reasonable sum and laced them to some unbranded vintage hubs that I had lying around the parts box to make a solid wheelset.

Freewheel is a 5 speed Regina Extra BX and the chain is a pre-Sram, gold Sachs. The chainstays are so short that any shift of the chain to any cog other than the middle one results in the worst chainline I've ever seen (so I won't bother to squeeze any more gears into it!).

I found the mudguards very cheap in a department store. They are plastic (very similar to the ones v1nce shows in his page) and meant for 26" wheels. The front one needed a bit of "ovenwork" to get the adequate shape.

I decided to keep a low budget for this bike since it was going to be a back-up bike. Most of the parts were already with me so the final cost was around €70. It's great fun to ride, specially when the children and grown-ups in the neighbourhood see me riding a "strange bike with such small wheels" (folders are absolutely uncommon here) :).


RobertoHow did you do that ovenwork with the fenders? You got that front fender to conform very closely to the front tire.I am impressed .What is the front handlebar stem made of it looks like a piece of pipe with aheadset clamped to it.I use haro 20 by 1.85 inch tires on my yeah.

clayface
10-09-05, 09:47 AM
How did you do that ovenwork with the fenders? You got that front fender to conform very closely to the front tire.I am impressed .

I put the plastic fender over an old steel front one (which was absolutely rusted and unusable) and tied both with mild steel thin wire over several places then put it in the kitchen oven for 10 minutes at 150º, and left it to cool down. To hold it to the fork dropouts, I made a U shaped attachment with a piece of 3mm wire. It doesn't match the arc of the wheel exactly because the older fender was a size bigger (500A) than the current wheels. Plastic are not all the same so care must be taken throughout the process.


What is the front handlebar stem made of it looks like a piece of pipe with aheadset clamped to it.


The stem is the original one that came with the frame. I cut the neck off because the thread for the bars clamp was gone. I use a 1 1/8 stem and two adapters, one to adapt it to 1" and the other one is a piece of threaded 1" steerer from an old 26" fork.


I use haro 20 by 1.85 inch tires on my yeah.


Those Haro's are excellent. They are absolutely "multisurface". They have lots of traction on loose ground, gravel, wet tarmac, anything. I'm really impressed with them. I've not had them for long, but I'm sure that the price to pay for all the top marks goes in their durability.


Roberto

v1nce
10-09-05, 06:54 PM
Ha ha, that's a cool name. Hmm do you spend any time on THEFORCE.NET ....? Or maybe read some of the FanFics there? Good stuff for any SW fan.

14R
10-09-05, 07:06 PM
Yes, I am a big Star Wars fan. For a little while I paid credit card bills and even "sponsored" a trip to south america by selling Star Wars props off of E-Bay (I am pretty decent in the custom lightsaber, tusken raider's weapons and Wookie bandoliers industry).

I use to read the force.net for hints about the prequels before they came out. Not I spend more time in prop message boards and this forum (every 20 minutes or so I check them while studying during the weekends).

IF you noticed on my latest halfway picture, you can see a sticker or the car behind. Can you identify that?

v1nce
10-09-05, 10:54 PM
Hmm nope, though it reminds me a little of Mandalorian stuff i have seen or maybe even more of the Star Trek pantheon, Klingon style. What is it?

And if those wheels/car is yours it would appear the Star Wars industry is pretty good to you ha ha. So were you a collector turned seller or have you always been reselling/a middle man or do you make all those props yourself and then sell them?

Funny about those props, i am replaying the KOTOR pc game, Dark side campaign and a cool thing about that game is the many different weapons you can acquire and assemble.

14R
10-09-05, 11:05 PM
It Mandalorian! I made a Boba Fett armor once (using plastic buckets from Home Depot) that ended up really nice but the customer did not want it painted so I kept the stickers (was a custom thing for MGM/Disney Star Wars week).

I always made the props on a "pre-order-only", most of the time for big-time collectors. Just recently I made some low quality lightsabers to sell off of E-Bay.

About the car? Well, before getting accepted into graduate school, before working for the U.S. Government, before moving to the USA and before the clone wars I used to be a well respected dentist. now I only study, eat, workout and plan on upgrading my little Halfway.

v1nce
10-10-05, 01:21 AM
Damn that some life story,.. the Clone Wars can Change a man! I used to be A Wookie elder, now i am a Twi-Lek Rogue ha ha. I am glad i got the Mandalarion thing almost right! But seriously that is interesting how you have changed direction. How old are you if may ask? What made you give up dentistry? Did you really work for uncle sam and if so what did you do? How do you financially support yourself, just the SW props or some other gigs?

14R
10-10-05, 12:08 PM
E-Mail sent (after all, no more folding bikes in the subjects) :)


Rafael

BruceMetras
10-10-05, 05:33 PM
Here's my Xootr Swift folder with a few personal changes. Without waterbottle and tool bag, weight is about 20lbs. Changed out items:

SDG I-Flex seat/seatpost.

110mm 8 degree stem.

Carbon bar and bar ends.

Kinetix wheels with Pantour suspension hub up front, Stelvio tires.

11/32 9sp, SRAM X-7 derailleur, 53T chainring, hollow pin chain.

MKS Q/R pedals with PowerGrips.

I am extremely happy with this bike. I love the clean, solid, well designed frame. This Swift has become a very quick ride.

Bruce (San Rafael, California)

v1nce
10-10-05, 05:54 PM
@ Rafael: hey about the mail, thx! I'll reply soon through my other mail account.

@ Bruce: VERY nice wheels! Is the ride smooth or a bit harsh ? (skinny tires and Alu frame).

14R
10-10-05, 06:13 PM
Bruce,

Where did you get the 53T chainring? That's exactly what I am looking for but can't find it.

Rafael

BruceMetras
10-10-05, 07:23 PM
Bruce,

Where did you get the 53T chainring? That's exactly what I am looking for but can't find it.

Rafael


The stock Swift crank takes a 130mm chainring. I used a 53T from a Dahon, but you could probably find a number of sources for these. One good one is the Hostel Shoppe (http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?category=605000) .

Bruce

BruceMetras
10-10-05, 07:34 PM
@ Bruce: VERY nice wheels! Is the ride smooth or a bit harsh ? (skinny tires and Alu frame).

Thanks! I love it!

The ride is much smoother with those wheels and tires at 120lbs than the stock 20x1.5's at 90lbs. All because of the Pantour Hub (http://www.pantourhub.com) up front. It absorbs a lot of the harshness you would normally feel in the handlebar running skinny high pressure tires. It certainly is a noticeable control improvement going downhill at speed. As there is only about 1/2" of travel, the Pantour Hub is not meant to replace suspension forks, but they do make a difference. Also, the fork on the Xootr Swift is steel.

Bruce

14R
10-10-05, 07:43 PM
"The stock Swift crank takes a 130mm chainring."

That my problem...I need a new crankset with a single speed 52T+ (53 would be perfect) that would fit my 1/2way rs.

All I got off of e-bay or LBSs are road bike cranksets and rings for US$150.00++ AND with 2 rings (all I need is one).

I'll keep looking. Worst case scenario I will buy a crankset and then buy the 52t ring.

Thank you for our post.

Rafael

zebedia
10-11-05, 11:30 AM
Dahon Vitesse 05. SWEET bike-- maximum convenience meets great commuter bike.
I use it to go to and from school (about 1.5 miles each way). It rocks.

spambait11
10-11-05, 12:23 PM
Bike Friday Pocket Nomad and Brompton L6. Both now single speed.

james_swift
10-11-05, 12:28 PM
Bike Friday Pocket Nomad and Brompton L6. Both now single speed.
Is your Pocket Nomad a cassette-freewheel-SS-conversion, or a real single-speed hub? What are you using for your chain tensioner (is that a Singleator?).

spambait11
10-11-05, 12:58 PM
Is your Pocket Nomad a cassette-freewheel-SS-conversion, or a real single-speed hub? What are you using for your chain tensioner (is that a Singleator?).
It's an "AC Racing Freewheels" single speed hub found at Harris (http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/singlespeed.html#hubs).

I originally got it because it is a 15T cog (the smallest hub I could find) and you can put it on with a Shimano bottom bracket tool, but in retrospect, I should have probably used the Shimano BMX hub Harris recommends, which would have allowed me to use a 13T cog. The hub is ok overall, but it is heavy and it seems to have a little horizontal float because it rides on its own bearings. It is a pretty solid unit though.

The wheelset is a custom job from Gaerlan (http://www.gaerlan.com) using their single-speed Summit hubs and Velocity Razor rims. At the time I ordered the wheels, about the only thing I couldn't do with a bike was build my own wheels. But now that I have that under my belt, it's no longer an issue.

Yes it is a Singleator and I have to use one otherwise the bike won't fold. Lame, huh?

james_swift
10-11-05, 04:23 PM
Yes it is a Singleator and I have to use one otherwise the bike won't fold. Lame, huh?

That's an awesome SS undertaking.

On the Singleator...nah, not lame at all. I wanted to ask...how has the Singleator been holding-up for you? I'm in the midst of getting one for myself as well. Why haven't you used the spring that pushes the Singleator upwards so you get more chain wrap around the rear cog? Have you experienced any chain skip with the 15T cog? (I keep reading about anything less than a 16T cog is inviting chain skip.)

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm getting ready to convert my Swift to a SS and am looking for as much advice as possible.

Thanks!

spambait11
10-11-05, 11:52 PM
That's an awesome SS undertaking.

On the Singleator...nah, not lame at all. I wanted to ask...how has the Singleator been holding-up for you? I'm in the midst of getting one for myself as well.
This conversion was definitely a learning experience, that's for sure.

The Singleator is fine. I don't exactly have a straight chainline so I know I probably put a lot of undue stress on it, so mine sometimes gives out faint squeeks especially when I'm pedaling hard. (The squeeks are due to the chain rubbing along the Singleator's chain guides, not because the Singleator is poorly made.)

Currently I have a 113mm bottom bracket. To achieve a better chainline I should probably use a 107mm - 110mm bottom bracket: I've already tried moving the chainring inside/outside the cranks. The problem is that my right crank falls directly in line with the single speed hub; if I put the chainring on the inside of the crank, I'm off about 2mm. If I keep the chainring on the outside of the crank (which it is now) I'm about 1mm off. You can't really feel a 1mm - 3mm difference on a fixie, but a chain tensioner will let you know you're off.



Why haven't you used the spring that pushes the Singleator upwards so you get more chain wrap around the rear cog? Have you experienced any chain skip with the 15T cog?
I have not experienced any chain skip. My chain is as tight as I can get it while still being able to fold the rear.

I use it in push-down mode because I like the looks a lot better. :D



(I keep reading about anything less than a 16T cog is inviting chain skip.)
Hmm. Didn't know this. But I know that dedicated single-speed cogs "generally" have longer teeth to neutralize chain skip.



Sorry for all the questions, but I'm getting ready to convert my Swift to a SS and am looking for as much advice as possible.

Thanks!
Not a problem, and good luck.

By the way, if you decide to get a dedicated rear wheel built, most single-speed and fixed gear hubs are bolt-on. That way you won't have to worry about slippage with a quick-release. Plus with a dedicated wheel, spoke tension will be even and you won't have to re-dish it like you would a standard cassette-equipped wheel. For my first experiement, I used a cog and spacers for a quick and dirty single-speed. This was fine (and it is much easier to get a straighter chainline this way), but I noticed that there was horizontal play in the cog as you can only get the spacers so tight. That's when I bit the bullet and bought a "real" single-speed wheel.

Before pic:

james_swift
10-12-05, 04:47 AM
That's a lot of great info. Thanks much!

One last question, if I may, (I know the mods are itching to tell me to quit hijacking this thread) but when you ran the freewheel-cassette conversion, did the cog "dig into" the freehub body? I'm debating whether or not it's worth the extra cash to go with a cog like the Surly or Kick-Ass which have the wider base:
http://harriscyclery.net/site/images/library/catalogs/soc/p350X350m/FW2080.jpg

Thanks again for all the helpful info. I think I'm ready to take the SS plunge. :)

spambait11
10-12-05, 02:31 PM
did the cog "dig into" the freehub body?
Interesting notion, but I didn't check for that when I swapped wheels, so I honestly don't know. (This wheel now has a cassette back on and is installed on a recumbent.) However, because of the Singleator, I also had chain slack, and I don't think my tension was ever tight enough for the cog to dig. (53x15 gearing on 20" wheels = 64 gear inches, I think.)



I'm debating whether or not it's worth the extra cash to go with a cog like the Surly or Kick-Ass which have the wider base:
Hm. My thought is this: if you're going the spacer route and you're getting your spacers from Harris Cyclery, you might want to check with them to make sure their spacers can be used for that cog. I bought spacers from Harris and note that they are all equal sizes (1.5mm thick?) except for one very thin spacer. For my purposes, this was fine because I used a 15T cog from the cassette for the single-speed, which is what Harris assumes you will do. My fear would be that for a thicker based cog, I wouldn't know if the spacers would even out, so I'd call them to ask. It would suck if you needed a .75mm spacer!

Alternatively, here's another solution though not as sleek looking but which does look to neutralize horizontal play:
Gussett single-speed (http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/CS611B00-Gusset+Single+Speed+Conversion+Kit.aspx)

Last thing to be aware of is the lock ring. I found that the Shimano cassette lockring that came with my Deore hub was too small, and would not hold the spacers on. That is why in the pic above, you see a 13T cog at the end to hold the spacers and cog in place. I wrote Sheldon Brown about this and he thought it was weird that the Shimano lockring was too small. However, I had a cheap Sun Race rear wheel laying around, and when I tried that lockring, it worked though I could never get it tight enough to keep the spacers and cog from moving. I found out about the horizontal movement when I tried to accelerate hard from a traffic light which I knew was a quick light, and felt as if my rear wheel all of a sudden was swerving all over the place as if it was about to come loose in the dropouts. On the other side of the road, I stopped to inspect the wheel and that is when I started wiggling the cog side to side. Under normal riding, everything behaved as it should but you know the rest of the story.



Thanks again for all the helpful info. I think I'm ready to take the SS plunge. :)
No problemo. Don't ever think you're asking too many questions. Saves time and money to know.

james_swift
10-12-05, 08:50 PM
Hm. My thought is this: if you're going the spacer route and you're getting your spacers from Harris Cyclery, you might want to check with them to make sure their spacers can be used for that cog. I bought spacers from Harris and note that they are all equal sizes (1.5mm thick?) except for one very thin spacer. For my purposes, this was fine because I used a 15T cog from the cassette for the single-speed, which is what Harris assumes you will do. My fear would be that for a thicker based cog, I wouldn't know if the spacers would even out, so I'd call them to ask. It would suck if you needed a .75mm spacer!

Whoa, coinicidence...that's exactly what I've been kicking-around in my head for the longest time. The Surly cog sits 4.4mm, while the Kick-Ass cog is a whopping 6.35mm. According to Sheldon's references, a standard 8-SP SRAM cassette cog is 1.8mm with 4mm spacers.

I emailed the folks at Endless Bike Co. about their spacer kit (http://www.endlessbikes.com/products/components/spacers.html) and it's ability to properly space-out a standard cog as well as their beefed-up cog. I got no response. Too bad, as I was really interested in buying from them (common sense tells me that if you can't at least get an email back about your inquiries into their products, then you're better-off not doing business with them).




Alternatively, here's another solution though not as sleek looking but which does look to neutralize horizontal play:
Gussett single-speed (http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/CS611B00-Gusset+Single+Speed+Conversion+Kit.aspx)
Yeah, I've been considering the 1-ER kit from the beginning...it seems to be very popular with the SS-MTB scene. I think I'll eventually go with that. Besides, Jenson has the lowest price on the 1-ER as well as the Singleator, so it's a one-stop shop. I'll definitely need to swap-out the stock 52-T chainring for a 54-T since the 1-ER uses a 16-T cog.[/QUOTE]


Thanks again, spambait11...lots of excellent SS-info. :)

Keasty
10-17-05, 02:07 AM
Hey, we're from Australia. We're heading to USA/Canada in 2006 and are keen to purchase a Bike Friday Two'sDay. Getting excited about it. Sounds like a great bike. We'll need to also get a whole wad of accessories too. Anyone out there got a Two'sDay?

spambait11
10-17-05, 02:49 PM
Hey, we're from Australia. We're heading to USA/Canada in 2006 and are keen to purchase a Bike Friday Two'sDay. Getting excited about it. Sounds like a great bike. We'll need to also get a whole wad of accessories too. Anyone out there got a Two'sDay?
When is yours due?
(We just bit the bullet and ordered a used one. Should be here early November.)

tedi k wardhana
10-24-05, 09:43 PM
Victoria are still making fine bikes these days in Germany, most of them geared, but back in those days most of their bikes were single speed with a coaster brake (the rest of their production was dedicated to motorcycles). The hanger in this bike came with the SunTour derailleur. It's an 86 Cyclone MkII model.


I got the tyres (Haro MultiSurface II 20x1.75) and rims (Weinmann Zac 4019, 36h) off ebay for a very reasonable sum and laced them to some unbranded vintage hubs that I had lying around the parts box to make a solid wheelset.

Freewheel is a 5 speed Regina Extra BX and the chain is a pre-Sram, gold Sachs. The chainstays are so short that any shift of the chain to any cog other than the middle one results in the worst chainline I've ever seen (so I won't bother to squeeze any more gears into it!).

I found the mudguards very cheap in a department store. They are plastic (very similar to the ones v1nce shows in his page) and meant for 26" wheels. The front one needed a bit of "ovenwork" to get the adequate shape.

I decided to keep a low budget for this bike since it was going to be a back-up bike. Most of the parts were already with me so the final cost was around €70. It's great fun to ride, specially when the children and grown-ups in the neighbourhood see me riding a "strange bike with such small wheels" (folders are absolutely uncommon here) :).


Roberto[/QUOTE]



I had a victoria in 1973, it was not a foldable one, but could be neatly collapsed. anyone has a picture or links? Mine was stolen, I missed it so much.

clayface
10-24-05, 11:52 PM
Keep an eye on the German ebay. Old Victoria's turn up there frequently.

Roberto

FlaTour
10-25-05, 05:34 AM
I have 3 foldups(and 4 regular 12 speeds)MY fav bike is a 20'' wheel WORKSMAN foldup, made in NYC, chosen because it has good handlebars, 3spds and a VERY strong frame that accomodates a 200+ pound guy + gear.

I travel alot and have cycled longstuff like Munich to Budapest, South Coast England and(my fav) cities from NYC to Denver, to St Petersburg Russia, Helsinki Finland, Tallinn Estonia, London, most of Florida and many points inbetween.

My fav scenario is to take my foldup to Europe.

v1nce
10-29-05, 05:19 PM
Pictures and price please! (especially of the Worksman!). Thx. :)

Miles2go
11-25-05, 10:29 AM
Large NWT Photo (http://www.pbase.com/image/52713496/large)


My Bike Friday New World Tourist.
XT Headset, Shimano front hub, Sachs 3x7 rear hub, Sachs shifters, Shimano RSX rear derailleur, Sugino crank, shown with Suntour pedals. I bought her slightly used and it's mint right down to the cog teeth and bar wrap. Included Bike Friday mudguards that I haven't installed yet. The bike just arrived three days ago.


This baby is going to Switzerland for three weeks this summer. :D

:beer:

Ron
South Ogden, Utah
http://miles2go.crazyguyonabike.com
http://www.pbase.com/canyonlands/

Fear&Trembling
12-01-05, 02:00 AM
My R&M Birdy Red 2004.

Highpath Engineering Chainring 60T – 15% Ovality
Shimano Dura-Ace crank arms
Shimano Ultegra BB
Time ATAC XS carbon pedals
Ultegra 11 – 23 cassette
SRAM X-9 derailleur
SRAM X-O grip-shift
XTR/Dura-Ace chain
Ritchey WCS headset
Shimano XTR levers
F&R XTR V-brakes
Gore RideOn brake cables
N-Gear Jump Stop
FSA K-Force XC carbon riser bar (40mm rise / width cut down to 570mm)
Post Moderne Micro Bar Ends
TiTec Pork Rinds
Brooks Swift saddle
Hope Ti Skewers
Schwalbe Marathon tyres (although Stelvios in Spring, Summer & Autumn)
Cat Eye Micro
Cat Eye Triple Shot
Respro Hi-Viz stickers

af895
12-01-05, 03:31 PM
Miles2go: I love the packability of that NWT in the hard case. :) How do you like the bar ends? They extend forward and back from the flat bar, right? (I'm looking for a set myself)

Fear&Trembling: Oy! Hot bike. I admit a bias: that particular red is my favorite colour. ;) Ditto the question: how do you like the barends - on riser bars, yes? I imagine with risers there's a bit of outward-splay. Is it bothersome?

Just started riding Biopace myself - so far so good. (different than the current ovalized rings but I like the idea of non-round)

Fear&Trembling
12-02-05, 02:29 AM
question: how do you like the barends - on riser bars, yes? I imagine with risers there's a bit of outward-splay. Is it bothersome?

The bar ends are angled inwards (and they do look a bit ugly on the risers), but they provide a more comfortable, stretched-out riding position. I have never found them a problem, although the fold is slightly compromised.

Just started riding Biopace myself - so far so good. (different than the current ovalized rings but I like the idea of non-round)

I do not think I will get another Egg ring. Next time I will probably go back to a 63T or 64T round ring. I would have liked a Biopace (Sheldon Brown is an advocate), but I do not believe they have the sizes I require...