Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - What makes a good high end frame for fixie's

Ok you can all see that im new to this stuff but i picked up a fixie not to long ago and its just an sold concord. and my question is what make this a $50 frame and other 80's or 70's frames worth so much more. i see some are hand made and what not..what els make stuff like bridgestone bikes frames worth 500+ .

Side note i think im going to start riding my bike to garage sales looking for rare old bikes. so i want to know what to look out for. im getting an idea for some of the brands to look out for. but even then i see Bianchi frames for $100 to 500+ for what looks to be the same frame. any help or a link to a post with the info im looking for.

There can be lots of legitimate reasons, such as the material a frame its made of, its brand (a BD brand is resale suicide as opposed to say bianchi), its condition (if it was stored outside at the mercy of the elements as opposed to a nice and dry and dark garage; "new years resolutions bikes"; owned by a bike mechanic/ professional), its rarity, its place on a bike maker's model hierarchy, etc...

There are also illegitimate reasons which would be a person trying to milk CL for profit, take advantage of the fixie hype for profit, etc....

ok for sure. i get condition and the material, so maybe a list of high quality 80's and 90's road bikes and brands. i got like bianchi, colnago, is njs a brand?
thanks for the help cutie!

njs is a japanese organization that regulate japanese track racing (keirin).
njs frame brands are
1. bridgestone
2. panasonic
3. cherubim
4. makino
5. kalavinka
6. levant
7. nagasawa
8. nanbei
9. shimazaki
10. rap
11. eimei
12. watanabe
13. umezawa
14. samson
15. level
16. yanagisawa
17. gunwell
18. georama
19. civras
20. vogue
21. iribe
22. kiyo miyazawa
23. peloton
24. baramon
25. osca
26. ohtaki
27. stratos
28. giro
29. bomber
30. pro cyon
31. presto
32. emme idea/m idea

some of these brands did make other, lower level frames eg. bridgestone/panasonic, so i wouldnt jump on either of these brands if you see them cheaply.
although i highly doubt you will see any njs frames at garage sales in the US, as they were never distributed there, what you want to look for to know if it is njs is the logo stamp.
168475
which looks like this.

Don't start looking for something that you don't even know what you are looking for. In other words, do your homework. You probably won't find anything high end at a garage sale, if you do, you probably don't know if it is high end.

Your thoughts are all over the map...



thanks for the help cutie!
:lol:

thats cool. i just saying if i roll buy some **** even on craigs. thanks for that list. and the " lol "

Just always google the make and model of the bike in the ad; you'll be shocked that you can find quite a bit of info even on seemingly even 40+ year old bikes. ;)

High end "fixie?" Republic (http://www.republicbikes.com).

ok let me ask just 1 more jackass question..haha
what would make a...say Bianchi frame worth 100bucks and other Bianchi's worth 500+ ? anything key to look for?

**** there a Bianchi frame on my craigslist for like 1500$ is this about as good as frame get or something or is he just a nut sack?...
http://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1918835148.html

Good classic bikes models/brands to look for:
Ross
Free Spirit
Schwinn Continental/varsity

Ross bikes are going to be way way out of his budget man. Those are... man , too rare. Just too rare.

Haha ya im sure most of the good bikes are but i have a bike i buying parts for so i got all the time in the world to ride around town a eye craigslist. im in reno so bikes dont pop up all the time but most the time there stoles or left in a storage shed and im counting on someone not knowing what they have.

Side note i just found one of the coolest old school frames i have seen yet its on ebay and i dont think its going cheap but its a baller ass old school.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230520664640&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

That colnago deserves more than to be turned into some kids tarck bike

thats what im saying i would take that thing and turn it out....some gold parts on that thing and some deep v's and its the badest Ho magnet fixie ever.

That is exactly what Xavier mean.

This thread is full of win.

i knew what he waqs talking about i was just being a smart ass. would make a sexy fixed gear tho..and you all know it.

Why do you want vintage frames so bad?

I can't believe someone brought up NJS, and forgot to mention 3rensho.

There's nothing special about NJS frames over a regular track frame, they just have hipster tax on them. Well, they might be painted better and be heavier, but that's about it.

I remember in 2007 or 2008, bridgestones RB1, RB2, RB3 were going for something like $300-500 because of hipster taxes.

NJS is simply a standard to keep competition about the rider than the bike he's riding while racing in keirin.
not much different from how UCI dictates what a bike is for their events. It's actually kinda stupid to buy NJS parts when there are better parts on the market, from a functionality perspective.

**** there a Bianchi frame on my craigslist for like 1500$ is this about as good as frame get or something or is he just a nut sack?...
http://reno.craigslist.org/bik/1918835148.html

That frame has columbus tubing and campy chorus headset. To the average person, these things wouldn't really matter. $1500 is a ridiculous price to pay if you just want a bike to commute with. For a collector, it seems reasonable, if not a little high priced.

I can't believe someone brought up NJS, and forgot to mention 3rensho.

There's nothing special about NJS frames over a regular track frame, they just have hipster tax on them. Well, they might be painted better and be heavier, but that's about it.

I remember in 2007 or 2008, bridgestones RB1, RB2, RB3 were going for something like $300-500 because of hipster taxes.

NJS is simply a standard to keep competition about the rider than the bike he's riding while racing in keirin.
not much different from how UCI dictates what a bike is for their events.


now that is the info i was looking for. so wen it comes down to it most of your older frames are about the same...my condord looks just like allot of other old road bike like allot alike. so im going to take your word on the hipster tax.its kinda what i was thinking all along haha. im just going to keep my eye out for an extra clean frame that has something cool going for it..i.e. paint job and what not. thank for that last post big time!!

There's nothing special about NJS frames over a regular track frame, they just have hipster tax on them. Well, they might be painted better and be heavier, but that's about it.

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/bik/1939485492.html
Prime example.

Also found this site on our local fixed site.
http://www.bdc-forum.it/forumdisplay.php?f=146&order=desc
Porn material.

HAHAHAH This thread is too good.

But yes, pretty much all older bikes are of equal quality. Frame materials and components don't really change anything. Just get something that has bright colors.

I thought you knew a Colnago is just a Huffy with fancy paint job.

Just like how Merckx are actually Free Spirits in disguise.

Yeah, your really just paying for a name. Damned hipster taxes.

HAHAHAH This thread is too good.

But yes, pretty much all older bikes are of equal quality. Frame materials and components don't really change anything. Just get something that has bright colors.
no they're not. some parts and frames were truly better and a cut above the rest. Except they were so good that NJS banned them :innocent:


I thought you knew a Colnago is just a Huffy with fancy paint job.

Just like how Merckx are actually Free Spirits in disguise.

huffy did make TDF level frames at one point in their life.

That colnago deserves more than to be turned into some kids tarck bike

+1 Quick jack up the price so kiddies can't afford it with their allowances!

+1 Quick jack up the price so kiddies can't afford it with their allowances!

you know they'll just use their mom's credit card :innocent:

Hmm...looky:

http://foto.mtb-forum.it/data/2382/medium/eurobike10_bdc_casati_010.jpg

http://foto.mtb-forum.it/data/2382/medium/eurobike10_bdc_casati_009.jpg

http://foto.mtb-forum.it/data/2382/medium/eurobike10_bdc_casati_008.jpg

From the site I posted earlier.

no they're not. some parts and frames were truly better and a cut above the rest. Except they were so good that NJS banned them :innocent:


Oh really?! I had no idea...

that's why you'll never see a cervelo T3 get NJS certification. :lol:

The main reason some frames are so expensive is to discourage noobs from converting them to ss/fg.

Hmm...looky:

http://foto.mtb-forum.it/data/2382/medium/eurobike10_bdc_casati_010.jpg

http://foto.mtb-forum.it/data/2382/medium/eurobike10_bdc_casati_009.jpg

http://foto.mtb-forum.it/data/2382/medium/eurobike10_bdc_casati_008.jpg

From the site I posted earlier.

Damn thats got. thats kinda like my frame but my frame is like the jank version of that haha. it still have some cool trim like that "Do not touch the trim" hi five to whoever knows where thats from.

i feeling good about my frame now..i cant wait till i got it all tricked out and ready for proposition!

hi five to whoever knows where thats from.


Well its a Casati frame from the decals on the lugs... so I get half a hi five?

Many bicycle frames are similarly shaped, often made of metal or something like metal. Many have paint. Its all very difficult you see...

i was talking about the quote "Do not touch the trim"
bike nerd =P

i just found a sick rasta vintage murry on my craigslist.. i might go take a look and see what the drop out look like.
its pretty dope....haha im so F@#%ing funny.

Suck it DigMEN

haha im so F@#%ing funny.
You most definitely are.

nice i talked the guy down to 45 via e-mail on the murry frame. i hope the drops are the right style.

talking about Casati frames, there is a guy on my cl thats been trying to sell this Casati Monza for awhile now.

http://media.use.com/images/s_2/70eb7d4e18491cb8a8f0_1.jpg

I'd sooo buy the frame by itself..

How much is he asking for that Casati?

Also, Murray's are like totally hella good keeper, don't like miss the deal.

thats pretty cool. i swmoke allot of weed so the rasta is much more my thing. i hope murray is not an extra ****ty brand but i guess that was covered under the all old 70-80 steel frames are about the same. its what im counting on.im going to sink about 10x what the frame is worth into it haha.

How much is he asking for that Casati?

Also, Murray's are like totally hella good keeper, don't like miss the deal.

im pretty sure your just ****ing with me at this point. everything i have read says murrays are about as low end as they come..

He WAS asking for $1500. He realized no one was buying it so he dropped it to $950. Still alittle to steep. I'd gladly buy the frame for $400~ though.

holy **** 1500...wow.

i like the one vixtor posted way more and that cant be worth more than 1500 or 900 even...or is it lol.

I've actually been messing around the whole time.



He WAS asking for $1500. He realized no one was buying it so he dropped it to $950. Still alittle to steep. I'd gladly buy the frame for $400~ though.
A little too much, I was thinking ~$800 when I first saw it.

would you say murray is = concord? both low end 50$ frames?

lets put it this way, i would maybe think about riding a murray if it was given to me

also
http://columbus.craigslist.org/bik/1880326284.html
1 grand makino wOw

yobatts might be my favorite troll ever.