Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Best clipless that wont pop out?

So, ive tried ultegra mtb clipless, SPD SL (have now, but need new ones so looking anyways) and cages
i hate cages which i have on my fuji track pro right now.

basically, i had the spdsl for about 7 months, and once i went to a higher gearing, they started popping out. this was with brand new 0 float and hte normal cleats (tried both), and tension all the way up.

so, id like to buy a new set of pedals, around 100.00 all in that wont pop out when i slow hard, or skid, or pull up to hard when pedaling.

any ideas?

My SPDs don't pop out, though some people seem to have problem with this. With SPDs, I've noticed than an upward pull combined with inversion of the foot will cause them to suddenly pop out. I don't know if its a design flaw or a safety feature, but I accidentally unclipped a few times until I learned not to do that when hammering or attempting to slow down and it hasen't happened since, even with the tension set relatively low. I currently use a variety of SPDs (mnt) and Look Keo Max (road). Look Keo pedals are excellent and less prone to pop out with sloppy pedaling. I have also used crank brothers pedals...never had a problem with those popping out either, but I dislike them for other reasons. Many people rave about Atacs, but I've never tried those.

any particular models?
rather stick to road SPD 3 bolt type setups

any particular models?
rather stick to road SPD 3 bolt type setups

Maybe your cleats are worn. Did you ever consider replacing the cleats?

yep
which is why now im looking for new pedals

With SPDs, I've noticed than an upward pull combined with inversion of the foot will cause them to suddenly pop out.

I've done this too by accident. But I have my tension set pretty low. Overall I like my SPDs, did they give you (yokotas13) problems when the pedals and cleats were new? Are you sure you're not twisting your ankles?

My 105 SPD-SL feels pretty damn solid, I can't imagine pulling out of those but I have popped out with SPDs. I had LOOK cleats but those wore out too easily and popped out a few times. I hear you can't pull out of Speedplays

Cr-mo speedplays.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Speedplay_X5_Chrome-Moly_Pedals/5300003543/

http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=A1191

I have yet to pull out of these. Clipping in is ultra easy. Good track clearance.

yesssss and UK

easier for me to get to Sauid. i ordered my fuji track pro from EVANS bicycles lol
100.00 USD budget, thats about 125ish

I've done this too by accident. But I have my tension set pretty low. Overall I like my SPDs, did they give you (yokotas13) problems when the pedals and cleats were new? Are you sure you're not twisting your ankles?
if it were only when skidding, id say its VERY likely
BUT on sprints where i know i have halfass decent form its happening on the up pull. thats my main complaint. popping out during skids is just an inconvenience

These aren't 3 bolt but I'm sure you could find an adaptor out there some where. The crank brothers egg beaters will NOT pop out under and circumstances unless you twist your ankle. In fact the design holds them tighter the harder you pull up on them. They feel loose, but definitely are very tight. http://www.crankbrothers.com/pedals_eggbeater2.php I've been using these on my cross, mountain, and fixie.

[EDIT]: Here is the 3 bolt adapter http://www.crankbrothers.com/accessories_3hole_cleat.php

shimano shoes i have use the two bolt cleats they do as well. just nota fan of crank brothers.
used them in the MTB days last year and year before, and dumped them for hte Shimano SPD for offroad

Speedplays rock because if you do skid and twist the back end around you won't pop out.

Yes, Doctor Emilio Lazardo agrees, Speedplays are the way to go.

doest really matter that you agree
they are out of my budget for pedals
lol

around means +-5 bucks or so. not 30

yokotos13, get them used off ebay. Mine are years old and they work just fine.

Easily had for under $100.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Speedplay-X5-Chromoly-Clipless-Road-Bike-Pedals-Cleats-/400151485805?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d2ae31d6d#ht_2148wt_1137

not doin it too much hastle to get an individual to ship to saudi arabia

The fact the person lists SAU as a shipping option and with a price is a good sign.

If you are really into getting some speedplays, I would sell you mine and get some new ones for myself.

id deff like something. shoot me an email and we can talk.
freshlikesushi1@gmail.com

spdsl are maintainance free where speedplays are not.

What maintenance do speedplays need? I have yet to do anything other than clean them once in a while. If something wears out you can replace it. Better than buying a whole new pedals/cleat set like other pedals.

time atac...but the older ones or the aliums - don't like the nicer onces with the square clamp

I honestly haven't had a problem with my Eggbeaters (I have the QuattroSL's) with a 48-17 gearing.

So, ive tried ultegra mtb clipless, SPD SL (have now, but need new ones so looking anyways) and cages
i hate cages which i have on my fuji track pro right now.

basically, i had the spdsl for about 7 months, and once i went to a higher gearing, they started popping out. this was with brand new 0 float and hte normal cleats (tried both), and tension all the way up.

so, id like to buy a new set of pedals, around 100.00 all in that wont pop out when i slow hard, or skid, or pull up to hard when pedaling.

any ideas?

This is user error.

Unless you are this guy:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/imageBank/c/Chris%20Hoy%20legs.jpg


And even Chris Hoy sometimes used SPD-SL pedals without a strap as in this photo:
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/08/18/hoy_narrowweb__300x473,0.jpg

You didn't tighten the tension on your SPD SL pedals. From the factory they are set to the very lightest setting. Put them at least to the middle of the tension range.

Atac..........

Time ATAC. Or what Carleton said.

ATAC and SpeedPlay. I never popped out of either of these. ... I am now good with SPD (not SPD-SL) too.

... May be you just need more practice.

This is user error.

You didn't tighten the tension on your SPD SL pedals. From the factory they are set to the very lightest setting. Put them at least to the middle of the tension range.
and you are wrong
adjustments were bottomed out for tension, and brand new cleats.
im not an idiot. i actually read instructions on this one lol.

but note these are bottom of the barrel SPD SL shimanos. they arent like higher end stuff. i got them when i was on a road bike

I know track racers that use the low end SPD-SL, PD-R540, and they don't pop out of their pedals in match sprints, keirin, points race and the rest. You must be doing something wrong. Maybe work on yourself instead just blaming your equipment

I popped out of my ATACs once. It was user error.

I know track racers that use the low end SPD-SL, PD-R540, and they don't pop out of their pedals in match sprints, keirin, points race and the rest. You must be doing something wrong. Maybe work on yourself instead just blaming your equipment
i didnt pop out until a fee months ago. im sure they arent on their super duper races on year old pedals either that have been through a few crashes from being hit by cars that turn without turn signals either. (yes i have brakes too lol)

It could be my pedal form, but it didnt happen until recently as they are showing their age. being on the max spring tension for so long may have worn them prematurely, plus i commuted on the bike for maybe 6-8 months while i was in japan? so they are well used by now. hence wanting new pedals.

preferrably something that will last more than a year before i have to replace them since ill be in saudi for 5 or so

well, SPD-SL 105 can be had for about $100. They're the same as Ultegras, except for a few grams, and solid

Speedplay in my opinion and experience, I've also yet to have unintentionally pop out of these before.....

Have anyone had experience with KEO Max 2?

well, SPD-SL 105 can be had for about $100. They're the same as Ultegras, except for a few grams, and solid
yeah they can be had around that. just wasnt sure if there was a better option than shimano out there.

Better is relative.

What do you mean by it? Lighter? Stiffer? Adjustable Q-Factor? Wider platform?

i didnt pop out until a fee months ago. im sure they arent on their super duper races on year old pedals either that have been through a few crashes from being hit by cars that turn without turn signals either. (yes i have brakes too lol)

It could be my pedal form, but it didnt happen until recently as they are showing their age. being on the max spring tension for so long may have worn them prematurely, plus i commuted on the bike for maybe 6-8 months while i was in japan? so they are well used by now. hence wanting new pedals.

preferrably something that will last more than a year before i have to replace them since ill be in saudi for 5 or so

Then you are saying that you didn't maintain your pedals and cleats properly. Your cleats are probably worn on the back part that clips into the spring. Fresh new cleats cost $20-25.

It is possible to unclip SPD-SLs if the spring is set to "soft" or the cleat's lip is worn.

It is virtually impossible to unclip using Speedplay...unless you have sloppy form. But, Speedplay systems require more maintenance as the cleats wear out very quickly from walking on cement. Replacement cleats are $40.

One can physically pull out of ATAC/Eggbeater style pedals with brute force...even with fresh cleats. Even more likely with worn cleats.

I've used
Speedplay Zeros
Speedplay Frogs
Shimano
- SPD
- SPD-R
- SPD-SL
- DX (SPD)
TIME ATAC
LOOK (the older ones)

and a few others that I can't recall.

yeah they can be had around that. just wasnt sure if there was a better option than shimano out there.

Every pedal system has it's pros and cons. The key to all of them is proper maintenance and replacing cleats when needed. This is required for all of them.

If you REALLY want overkill, then you can buy Kewin Track Pedals which have a lever that locks and unlocks the cleat.

http://www.keywin.com/track.html

The website states: "NOT FOR USE FOR NORMAL ROAD RIDING"

But, I'm sure that will have you guys lined up to buy them. One has to reach down and flip a lever that unlocks the cleat. This effectively eliminates the #1 benefit of clipless pedals, though. Clipless pedals became popular over toe-clip pedals because the riders didn't have to do that at every stop light. Just twist the foot.

http://www.dubbayoo.net/files/pics/cycling/parts/pedal-cleats.jpg

A review: http://www.whitegaragedoor.net/blog/?p=6

preferrably something that will last more than a year before i have to replace them since ill be in saudi for 5 or so

Wait! You are riding in Saudi?!

Maybe pack up SPD-SL's and go with clip-and-toe-strap setup. No need for cleat replacement or pedal wear; so you only need to care about bearings. I wouldn't bother with SPD-SL's. I mean plastic rubbing together with dust in it (and I am pretty sure you can't maintain too often), right? You'd probably destroy the flat pedals after your stay in Saudi, but flat pedal replacement would be more economical than having to replace wore-out pedals, cleats and perhaps cycling shoes. You can put em back on when you come back.

Oh don't do SpeedPlay. Dirt getting into the cleat interface would stop you dead from clipping in. Also, I think dust getting into cleat mechanism would be a bad thing. ... Everything else about SpeedPlay is supreme. Guess something to look forward to after you come back from Saudi.

in my opinion click pedal with springs in the rear are sub optimal for back pedaling/skidding. when i lift my feet during the rear pedal stroke i have my feet pretty mutch horizontal so i stress the front and rear of the clear simmilar.
but when braking i point the front of my shoe down and pull mostly up with the rear -> direktly against the spring in spds, looks.....where times have the spring in the front. atacs are the only mtb style pedal which workes for me, only thing which sucks is that i feel the front spring/clamp moving during the top of the pedal stroke.

It's not as sandy there as you think. He's not riding in the sand. The speedplays or any other cleat will be fine. Mud can stick in a cleat, not sand. I've stood in sand and clipped right in with my speedplays no problem.

replaced the cleats before i considered new pedals. while i was home before saudi i swapped out to fresh cleats both the no float and normal float versions and d the same problem. tension set to full. i followed all the instgructions in the manualfor care
i really think they are just worn out from daily use rain or shine
thats why if there is something better that will last longer with repetitive use every day ill go with that

and for what is better, just looking for drability. i use carbon shoes so dont need a platform, i am just looking for something that will last for a longer time. i mean thes pedals have been thorough multiple accidents, a few crashes, and rain and snow so im sure it didnt help

Then you are saying that you didn't maintain your pedals and cleats properly. Your cleats are probably worn on the back part that clips into the spring. Fresh new cleats cost $20-25.

It is possible to unclip SPD-SLs if the spring is set to "soft" or the cleat's lip is worn.

It is virtually impossible to unclip using Speedplay...unless you have sloppy form. But, Speedplay systems require more maintenance as the cleats wear out very quickly from walking on cement. Replacement cleats are $40.

One can physically pull out of ATAC/Eggbeater style pedals with brute force...even with fresh cleats. Even more likely with worn cleats.

I've used
Speedplay Zeros
Speedplay Frogs
Shimano
- SPD
- SPD-R
- SPD-SL
- DX (SPD)
TIME ATAC
LOOK (the older ones)

and a few others that I can't recall.

People have been answering this question for days

days? references then please?
i searched a few keywords and didnt find much.

I did however learn from this thread that the speedplay are a great option, my pedals are most likely worn out since my cleats are brand new with tension all the way up, and that egg beaters that i really dont like are a great idea also.

SO, speedplay will most likely be what i go with, as i cant chance something disengaging in saudi arabia where its already dangerous as hell to ride

http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/41671.jpg

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days? references then please?
i searched a few keywords and didnt find much.

See posts #2, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 32, 33, etc.

http://www.nexternal.com/icycles/images/41671.jpg

close thread.

^ I agree. Get the Hold-Fast, too. I wouldn't bother with roadie clipless if the Saudi road is so dangerous as you say it is. ...

If you ride SpeedPlay in unstable road condition, you are gonna slip-off while trying to engage. You see, if you fail to engage with SpeedPlay, you can't pedal reliably with em at all. If you are unlucky and you catch the pedals on your arches (on road clipless shoes) from stop, your shoes are gonna slide off and slam your groin into saddle ... and fall over.

(There is no competition with SpeedPlay if roads are reasonably nice. So no offense to SpeedPlay fans.)

If I were you, I would listen to Adriano although he sounds overly sarcastic.

i hate straps
i had blaq straps on platforms maybe 6 months ago? hated them, just wanted to add taht since adriano "offered" a solution lol

Well, the drivers in saudi are dangerous, so i need a reliable system that i can depend on. that is the number 1 thing for me.
so what would a second place idea be for you if the speedplays werent sufficient for the occasion?

i want the speedplays. just doing more and more research on them to make sure they are right for me

I suggest independent research then. I think platform pedals with straps are actually great advice. Safety first, and if parts are not readily available and you have not had good luck with clip ins straps would give you more performance.