Cyclocross - Motobecane = Fuji

I know... beating a dead horse...

Fantom Cross Pro vs Fuji Cross Pro

If you line the components up , its not just the frame -- its the entire bike build, down to the no name stem and post (fuji calls them "fuji forged," and the degree is off by 1) -- even the saddle is just re-badged.

Seems to me the only difference is the BD comes with significantly better wheels.

Am I missing something?

Read the parts pick and then decide , they may be contracts with the same guys,
but get different paint. and parts ..

parts is parts, YGWYPF. sometimes.

buy at BD means you have to do the Setup that the dealer would normally do..

once you have it in your hands Redo the Assembly , entirely.

I never knew the frame geometry was that similar (exact?). That helps in deciding as I love Fuji and the fit.

No they are not the same frame. Compare closely, especially the downtube. The same is true of the Fantom cross CX vs the Fuj cross comp - there have been claims that the frame is the same but it isn't if you inspect closely.

You can get the Fuji at a pretty low price at end of season sales.

No they are not the same frame. Compare closely, especially the downtube. The same is true of the Fantom cross CX vs the Fuj cross comp - there have been claims that the frame is the same but it isn't if you inspect closely.

You can get the Fuji at a pretty low price at end of season sales.


Mike, the owner of BikesDirect, has said that they are the same. On some of the down tubes Fuji uses a more triangled shape tube and the Motos use just round tubing but it is still the same materials. Underneath the bar tape on my Fantom Pro CX the padding had the "Fuji" logo.

As the others have said, parts are parts. I saved over $1000 by buying my bike online vs what my local Fuji dealer wanted for the exact same bike.

This bikesdirect thing never stops, does it?

Just having the same material doesn't mean much. Having the same geometry is a step closer, but tubing shape makes a difference in the way a bike rides.

FWIW, my local Performance Bike still has a couple of the '09 Fujis.

direct thing will always be a topic just the simple fact or pricing. we are all price greedy and wantt he cheapest price. So bikes direct will always come up becuase they are just that much cheaper cost wise.

Mike, the owner of BikesDirect, has said that they are the same. On some of the down tubes Fuji uses a more triangled shape tube and the Motos use just round tubing but it is still the same materials. Underneath the bar tape on my Fantom Pro CX the padding had the "Fuji" logo.
too bad the padding didn't say S-works on it, think of how much money you would have saved!

too bad the padding didn't say S-works on it, think of how much money you would have saved!

what's s-works?

what's s-works?
Specialized (http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?sid=09Tricross)

meow

I know... beating a dead horse...

Fantom Cross Pro vs Fuji Cross Pro

If you line the components up , its not just the frame -- its the entire bike build, down to the no name stem and post (fuji calls them "fuji forged," and the degree is off by 1) -- even the saddle is just re-badged.

Seems to me the only difference is the BD comes with significantly better wheels.

Am I missing something?

The BD bike comes with a different frame too. It seems to be a common misconception around here. The Fuji Cross Pro has a diamond shaped downtube, the Motobecane is round. I have a Fuji, I've seen the Motobecane. They are certainly NOT the same frame.

Is it the same frame as a 2005 or so Fuji? Possibly. But it's certainly not the current Cross Pro frame. Mike says and does a lot of things that are a bit sketchy. Fuji has used the diamond downtube since 2007 at least.

But it's not unusual, badge a 4 year old design as new via a rebadge and troll for the gullible.


On some of the down tubes Fuji uses a more triangled shape tube and the Motos use just round tubing but it is still the same materials.

Try all the Fuji's. Same material as in "aluminum" ? I wouldn't bet it's the same alloy.

All bashing and kidding aside, BD offers a lot of value for the dollar.......... I see some people riding them around here, and they are nice bikes.

The BD bike comes with a different frame too. It seems to be a common misconception around here. The Fuji Cross Pro has a diamond shaped downtube, the Motobecane is round. I have a Fuji, I've seen the Motobecane. They are certainly NOT the same frame.

Is it the same frame as a 2005 or so Fuji? Possibly. But it's certainly not the current Cross Pro frame. Mike says and does a lot of things that are a bit sketchy. Fuji has used the diamond downtube since 2007 at least.

But it's not unusual, badge a 4 year old design as new via a rebadge and troll for the gullible.



Try all the Fuji's. Same material as in "aluminum" ? I wouldn't bet it's the same alloy.


Not sure how you can say they are not the same when they have the EXACT same geometry - lengths - heights - wheelbase etc etc etc.

But the one thing BikesDirect did change (along w/ the lower price) was to swap out those crappy stock Alex rims on the Fuji for Mavics on the Moto.

Not sure how you can say they are not the same when they have the EXACT same geometry - lengths - heights - wheelbase etc etc etc.

But the one thing BikesDirect did change (along w/ the lower price) was to swap out those crappy stock Alex rims on the Fuji for Mavics on the Moto.

Same measurements don't make it the same frame. Obviously different tubing, possibly different alloy.
You're starting to act like a fanboy. Next you'll be telling me how I can save over 50% if I buy one like the website says. Funny, my 09 Fuji Cross Pro with Aksium wheels and full Ultegra cost with tax $50 more than BD "sale" and then I got $150 back in team points. Same bike at Performance yesterday was $1100 with 10% off and then 10% in team points after that. BD hell of a deal for those armchair shoppers, I tell you.

But, anything anti-bd always brings out the fanboys like seagulls on a french fry, so have at it.

Not sure how you can say they are not the same when they have the EXACT same geometry - lengths - heights - wheelbase etc etc etc.

But the one thing BikesDirect did change (along w/ the lower price) was to swap out those crappy stock Alex rims on the Fuji for Mavics on the Moto.

No offense - I have one of the BD cyclo bikes - but they are not the same frame. The Fuji is double butted and fairly light, I checked one out. I don't believe the BD is butted at all, and hence is thicker and heavier and possibly not as strong. Also, I have seen the Fuji pros in Performance with aksium wheels.

The Queen of England's crown is metal.
My bike is metal.
My bike is golden.

The Queen of England's crown is metal.
My bike is metal.
My bike is golden.

Makes sense to me!!!

Yeah but don't you need to take both of them into the bathtub with you? Or was that just Archimedes being kinky?

I owned a windsor cyclo purchased from BD. It was spec'd exactly like the '09 fuji cross comp with the same geometry, diamond shaped downtube included. The only difference was that it didn't have the 'fuji' stamps on the seat post and stem.

I owned a windsor cyclo purchased from BD. It was spec'd exactly like the '09 fuji cross comp with the same geometry, diamond shaped downtube included. The only difference was that it didn't have the 'fuji' stamps on the seat post and stem.

And I own one - it doesn't have the same frame as the Fuji.

No offense - I have one of the BD cyclo bikes - but they are not the same frame. The Fuji is double butted and fairly light, I checked one out. I don't believe the BD is butted at all, and hence is thicker and heavier and possibly not as strong. Also, I have seen the Fuji pros in Performance with aksium wheels.

Are you talking about the Windsor Cyclo? This thread is about the Motobecane's and they are double butted frames that are identical to Fuji.

Anyway, I am no fanboy, I was just pointing out that Moto's = Fuji, same specs, same parts, built at the same factory, same geometry, same wheel base, same head-tube and seat-tube angles, same bottom bracket heights, same seatposts, same stems, same handlebars, same same same.

Are you talking about the Windsor Cyclo? This thread is about the Motobecane's and they are double butted frames that are identical to Fuji.

Anyway, I am no fanboy, I was just pointing out that Moto's = Fuji, same specs, same parts, built at the same factory, same geometry, same wheel base, same head-tube and seat-tube angles, same bottom bracket heights, same seatposts, same stems, same handlebars, same same same.

Look at the frames. The windsor Cyclo = Motabecane Fantom Cross = Motobecane Fantom Cross CX (forks differ). None say they are double butted (and they would say so if they were). The Fuji doesn't look like any of these nor the Fantom Cyclocross pro (which it says is butted), just look at the down tube.

I own a 2009 Fuji Cross Comp, and even rode it to my LBS today to pick up some parts. In their small shop was a brand spankin' new black Moto Fantom CX being built up for a customer. It is not the same frame, but I seriously doubt that it causes any safety issues and at worst may be heavier - by how much, I don't know. I am not a metallurgist, like some of you.

The point is, while the physical characteristics of the frame may differ, the geometry appears to be very close, if not the same. After seeing a Moto in person, I'm not as impressed as I thought I would be. I've had my eye on the Fantom Cross Pro for a while now, and frame aside, like the component group. Still tough to beat the price.

EDIT: FWIW, I built a Cyclo-Beast out of a Performance MTB frame and Vuelta Zerolite wheels. The frame is only 'butted', and is solid. I don't know how much weight you want to save on a frame, but it doesn't seem worth it to fuss over an additional butt unless you are a hardcore CX racer. As for the Vuelta wheels (and OT), I'll shill it up and say I could not be more pleased with the durability, weight and appearance.

fwiw.... I meant to add a question mark to the threat title. I dont actually know anything... just trying to figure things out. All of the above is helpful. Thanks team.

I have a 09 fuji cross pro. I paid less than a grand for it before tax, not including cashback points. It was spec'd out with Ritchey Pro stem, bars, post, etc.... I dont think last years Motobecane was built up with those parts.

I cant say for this years comparison.... but I will say that this years Fuji Cross pro seems to have skimped out on a lot of the fine details of last years model, including bars, stem, wheelset, etc.... They just keep the price the same, and make more money by building it with low end parts.

FWIW, I've recently exchanged a few pm's with the owner of BD (I had questions on his 'cross bikes) and he seems like a genuine, customer-focused busines owner who cares about getting quality bikes to his customers at decent prices, period.

"Fanboy"? Hardly. I've never even owned one of their bikes. Been on a Giant Rincon since '97. I just hate seeing people maligned for no good reason which is kinda' what some of this thread looks like. Why would it be surprising that BD bike owners would post about their experience? And why is that bad? Because they like their bikes (as you like your Fuji) and want to tell people about that? They are clearly satisfied with their bike purchase, and want to share that...so by your own logic, you are a Fuji fanboy? :love: Doubt it! j/k and no offense, just making light of an odd situation.

Back to the OP: the Motos and Fujis come off the same frame line and are very similar if not the same in geo. I'd say draw your own conclusions. I'm shopping both brands right now (along with Kona JTS and Surly Cross Check). Tested a Fuji Cross Comp yesterday at my LBS which is priced at $1299. Right now this bike is on sale at Performance for $999 which is a nice deal for full 105. Don't know if they're offering other goodies as well, but it's moot to me because none of their shops are near where I live.

I could ask my LBS to come down to 999 out the door on that Fuji CC, and who knows, they might (but I doubt it)...but the Moto (and the Windsor Cyclo with 105/Ultegra) are arguably as good or better spec'd across the board for the same price. Whatever. Comes down to the ride and style you like.

GypsyKing. I Don't know where in this thread that you got BD was being maligned. There is just not agreement that the Fuji and BD cyclross have the same frame. Nothing bad about that, that was the TOPIC after all. What evidence do you have that these bikes come off the same frame line?

Just ordered a Fantom Cross Pro. Bikes Direct -- if you're tracking this thread -- I'd love if you could please mail mine ASAP :)

I'll send it ASAP! LOL!

GypsyKing. I Don't know where in this thread that you got BD was being maligned. There is just not agreement that the Fuji and BD cyclross have the same frame. Nothing bad about that, that was the TOPIC after all. What evidence do you have that these bikes come off the same frame line?

Forget who it was and don't feel like ferreting it out, but someone in an earlier post in the thread said something about the BD owner saying/doing "sketchy" things, that certainly qualifies; that and the "fanboy" comment just seem over the top to me. Have read elsewhere on the forum that a Moto owner unwrapped his cork tape and found a Fuji stamp or logo or something beneath it. So from that, one can surmise the frames come off the same line/same factory, however you want to put it. Others have said they compared geos and they are nearly identical. Whatever is what I say...no biggie where frame comes from to me (so long as it's quality), I say get the bike you like that likes you back!

Thanks for the advice Redspoke. I went with the 61 afterall. We'lllll seeee.

I just compared the geo on 56 Fuj Cross Comp to the 56 Fantom Cross and they are the same but for wheelbase and bb.
http://www.fujibikes.com/Specialty/Cyclo-Cross/CrossComp.aspx
http://www.motobecane.com/cross/fcx.html#geo

Again, draw your own conclusions.

Thanks for the advice Redspoke. I went with the 61 afterall. We'lllll seeee.

Did you get it in white? :thumb: It looks exactly like a Fuji after you get it dirty. :roflmao2:

I just compared the geo on 56 Fuj Cross Comp to the 56 Fantom Cross and they are the same but for wheelbase and bb.
http://www.fujibikes.com/Specialty/Cyclo-Cross/CrossComp.aspx
http://www.motobecane.com/cross/fcx.html#geo

Again, draw your own conclusions.

Or you can just look at the pictures and see they are not the same frame and draw your conclusions. I don't believe the Fuji label story btw.

Congrats. I am sure you will like the Fantom Cross pro. Looks like a good bike and the Aksium wheels will probably be pretty true out of the box.

just because two bikes have the same geometry does not mean they are the same frame.

clarification after looking at your links.... they arent even the same geometry!

different wheelbases. different bottom bracket heights...

hmmm, the BB drop is identical, the wheelbase is off by 2.2 millimeters.

Of course I got it in white. Better contrast with the mud.

clarification after looking at your links.... they arent even the same geometry!

different wheelbases. different bottom bracket heights...

Clarification to what? The fact that I already wrote that the bb and wheelbases differ?


I don't believe the Fuji label story btw.
It's not my story. Maybe that guy made it up, maybe he didn't. Search the forum and take it up with him if you're that concerned with it, GeneO. And obviously they don't look alike, anyone can see that. The comparisons I drew were perhaps too subtle, I apologize for not being more clear...what I should've said was to think of it this way: VW Passat / Audi A4; Ford Taurus / Mercury Sable (years ago). = Platform sharing of some sort is likely going on. Not uncommon and not surprising.

And really, guys...why would it matter if they're the same geo (or close to it) or not? The OP was simply posing a question which many people answered, some helpfully, some not. At the end of the day...it really doesn't matter, does it?

Just ordered a Fantom Cross Pro. Bikes Direct -- if you're tracking this thread -- I'd love if you could please mail mine ASAP :)

Congrats and enjoy the new ride! :thumb:

I am fairly close to picking out my new ride as well. Narrowed it down today to Fuji Cross Comp or Moto Outlaw. Tough choice.

Be sure to post pics and a ginormous review when you get it out for a spin.

I just got the Fantom Cross Pro a few weeks ago. It hasn't exploded so thats a good thing. The lamest thing are the cheap handlebars,stem, saddle and seatpost.

I also took the cheater brake levers off. The rear brake was a pain in the arse but the shop switched somethings out. I've also had 6 flats in 50 miles of riding compared to my road bike that has 5000k miles and 3 flats.

planning to swap/seat/bars/post stem asap. what was wrong with rear brake?

i hate the bartop levers. easy way to remove them?

bike arrives monday...i hope

planning to swap/seat/bars/post stem asap. what was wrong with rear brake?

i hate the bartop levers. easy way to remove them?

bike arrives monday...i hope

If you are apt with a wrench, removing those bar top levers isn't that hard. You will need some new housing, but the cable should be fine.

why do you want to remove them? I'm awaiting a set in the mail to put on, but then I spend more time on the tops than I should.

i have an 8' tape measure and an 8' 2x4. They have the same measurements! They must be the same thing!

And I own one - it doesn't have the same frame as the Fuji.

I understand that you don't want it to be true.