Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Mission Workshop Rondels: My sole is falling off.

***** NO ADRIANOS ALLOWED BEYOND THIS POINT *****



I pre-ordered my Rondels the first day MW offered them, and was super psyched when they arrived. For two months I've worn them daily on and off the bike. They're the best looking, most comfortable off the bike clipless shoes on the market.

Then, after two months:

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For a product from a premium manufacturer (with the premium price tag), this is not cool. After barely two months of use, and probably less than a thousand miles, there is no reason for the sole to be separating like that.

It's not a crippling problem, as it's easily solvable with a little epoxy. This is still the best looking and most comfortable walkaround clipless shoe on the market, but there's no excuse for this quality of construction.

I'd still recommend them to people because the real structural stuff - the stitching and the eyelets and the reinforcement around the cleat - all seem legit. But I thought it should be mentioned somewhere.

It's all fun and games until someone loses a sole.

That really sucks, especially given their price. Did you contact them about it?

Not yet, just discovered the issue half an hour ago when I kicked them off.

I'm not even sure what corrective action I'd have them take. I wouldn't send them back for a replacement, because I can fix them just fine with stuff I have at work and I don't want to be without shoes for two weeks while I wait for shipping. I don't want a refund (assuming they'd make me send the shoes back) because they're still the best casual clipless shoe out there.

Cages and Double Straps FTW

EDIT: Bummer about the shoes though. I have noticed quality issues with my Chrome Midways as well. The rubber surrounding the other facing sole is peeling away slowly but surely. However, I debated on complaining to Chrome and since these were free from the giveaway awhile back I decided against it.

That happening to any two month old shoe would not have me calling them the "best" anything.

get some shoe goo and htfu

get some shoe goo and htfu


+1

The disclaimer at the top made me LOL.

***** NO ADRIANOS ALLOWED BEYOND THIS POINT *****
:lol:

I swear, if he ever got unbanned I'd never heard the end of it.

if i was selling or had purchased the rondel, id feel shafted.

hes unbanned, by the way.

It's not a crippling problem, as it's easily solvable with a little epoxy.

Don't use EPOXY or any other hard-curing adhesive. Adhesives like these will ruin the sole and the leather, and will further decrease the life of the shoe. Instead, use a contact cement made for flexible applications. BARGE makes a good product available at hobby stores. Look in the leather craft section.

Thanks for the tip, I'll try that.

I swear, if he ever got unbanned I'd never heard the end of it.

He has been. You lose. See post #395 of the Banned Users thread >>> http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?388447-Banned-Users/page16

Well obviously the implication was "if he ever gets unbanned and sees this thread..."

Obviously.

Don't use EPOXY or any other hard-curing adhesive. Adhesives like these will ruin the sole and the leather, and will further decrease the life of the shoe. Instead, use a contact cement made for flexible applications. BARGE makes a good product available at hobby stores. Look in the leather craft section.

I would use shoe goo, like I already suggested. You can get it at *gasp* Walmart.

Cages and Double Straps FTW

Cages are super-handy on many pedals. Clips, too.

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cycling related:

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They're the best looking, most comfortable off the bike clipless shoes on the market.


hey dsh, no offense to you but i don't you can really make absolute declarations like that.

first, "best looking" is entirely subjective.

and to say that the Rondels are the "most" comfortable, you would have to have tried every shoe on the market, which i doubt you have.

haha sorry to be stickler on the wording but yeah.

sorry to hear about your rondels. I just ordered a pair of DZR GMT-8s last week. hopefully mine wont come apart.

best of luck with your shoes bro

bravo!

sorry to hear about your rondels. I just ordered a pair of DZR GMT-8s last week. hopefully mine wont come apart.


first off, they're th same shoe with different materials, so unless the glue they use grips the gmt-8 material better than leather, it should be the ZACT same.

second off, i'm sure mission workshop will warranty the **** out of your shoes.

made in china, yada ya ya

Good ol' adriano vs. dsh thread, full of lulz as usual.

Good to see you back.

I would use shoe goo, like I already suggested. You can get it at *gasp* Walmart.

Thirded. Shoe goo is the perfect thing to use for gluing shoes. Imagine that.
My buddy used it for that exact application, gluing a sole back on. Worked perfect for like another year until the shoes were just gone as a whole.

It's sorta like a hot glue gun, without the hot and gun, and it sticks to stuff way better. Same rubbery flexible feel though

Good ol' adriano vs. dsh thread, full of lulz as usual.

Good to see you back.

+1, i almost choked when i saw adrianos post.

because they're still the best casual clipless shoe out there.

That happening to any two month old shoe would not have me calling them the "best" anything.
I think dsh means that they're the only casual clipless shoe with inset cleats that don't stick out (at least that I'm aware of).

And I thought adriano was a girl . . . ?

http://emilyd22.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/a-confused-cat.jpg

Ah, well played Adriano.

http://carlosanastacio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/most-interesting-man-in-the-world.jpg

I would use shoe goo, like I already suggested. You can get it at *gasp* Walmart.

Shoe Goo is a decent fix but not the best fix. To get a bond that would be (in some cases) better than the Vulcanization process used to originally attach the sole to the shoe, the composite-material glue/contact cement I mentioned will work much better since it is made for that exact type of application.

In short - despite all the excuses and explanations we can come up with - those shoes are crap.

With all of the discussion about casual shoes I feel like people completely ignore the offerings from mavic. http://brandscycle.com/product/mavic-alpine-mtb-indoor-cycling-shoe-09-55403-1.htm

They're not super stylish but they are super comfortable on and off the bike. I use them as everyday shoes. They don't scrape, there are no hotspots and they don't look super techy. One thing that I wonder about with anything by DZR is how these are after several hours of use. Being on and off the bike all day, if I don't have the velcro reasonably tight the laces will eventually become loose from all of the pulling on the upstroke. I'm curious if any of these shoes have an issue with that.

In short - despite all the excuses and explanations we can come up with - those shoes are crap.

I dunno, saying they're crap is kinda broad. I wouldn't say an Audi is crap because it always breaks down.

The shoes do some things really well. The quality of construction is shoddy.

Aesthetics: 4/5
Comfort on the bike: 3/5
Comfort off the bike: 5/5
Quality of construction: 1/5
Price point: 2/5

Overall: 3/5

And I thought adriano was a girl . . . ?
I thought adriano was a girl too but then, he is not.

I wouldn't say an Audi is crap because it always breaks down.
Something that always breaks down sounds like it's crap. :lol:


I thought adriano was a girl too but then, he is not.
Hahaha, now when did this happen?

It was in the "what the hell do you look like" thread where Scrod told us that adriano have been fooling us all along.



By us, I mean myself. I just assumed adriano was a girl because of the bell video and the small sized bikes. The things I imagine are quite fascinating.

It was in the "what the hell do you look like" thread where Scrod told us that adriano have been fooling us all along.

By us, I mean myself. I just assumed adriano was a girl because of the bell video and the small sized bikes. The things I imagine are quite fascinating.

Funny, I always thought you were a squirrel.

I dunno, saying they're crap is kinda broad. I wouldn't say an Audi is crap because it always breaks down.

The shoes do some things really well. The quality of construction is shoddy.

Aesthetics: 4/5
Comfort on the bike: 3/5
Comfort off the bike: 5/5
Quality of construction: 1/5
Price point: 2/5

Overall: 3/5

lol funny how you're saying scrod is being "broad"
when the last page you were declaring Rondels to being the best clipless shoes [casual]

not trying to start anything...just saying :P

and lol dang adriano FOOLED US ALL

Funny, I always thought you were a squirrel.
I actually am, but I have many personas.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-ferris-bueller-squirrel.jpg
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lol funny how you're saying scrod is being "broad"
when the last page you were declaring Rondels to being the best clipless shoes [casual]

not trying to start anything...just saying :P

and lol dang adriano FOOLED US ALL
I think if you post this like three, maybe four more times it'll really hit home.

I think if you post this like three, maybe four more times it'll really hit home.

haha... im just saying.

hows it working out with the shoes? figured out what you are going to do with them yet?

I'm gonna keep wearing them until I stumble across with some shoe goo or something to fix the problem with.

Being on and off the bike all day, if I don't have the velcro reasonably tight the laces will eventually become loose from all of the pulling on the upstroke. I'm curious if any of these shoes have an issue with that.
I haven't done anything over 50 miles in the Rondels, and I re-tie them every time I put them on, so I can't really comment. I've done centuries in my Minretts, though, and I find that running the laces through the top pair of eyelets two or three times (there's penty of length) can help a lot in preventing them from coming loose. They still loosen up over the course of the ride a little bit - that's unavoidable with laces, I think - but it's still better than any straps/cages (barring cleats).

They're still obviously inferior to velcro for this application, which is why I wish the Rondel (and others like it) would have the single velcro strap at the top as well.
Nothing's perfect, though.

The shoes do some things really well. The quality of construction is shoddy.


Which makes for a crappy shoe, IMO.

The shoes do some things really well. The quality of construction is shoddy.

Aesthetics: 4/5
Comfort on the bike: 3/5
Comfort off the bike: 5/5
Quality of construction: 1/5
Price point: 2/5

Overall: 3/5
comfort on bike is only 3?
hmmm... so from the points above, it's an expensive good looking walking shoe that's poorly constructed.

not trying to be a ****. Sorry about ur loss.
Maybe u can ask them to send u another pair. It might be this pair that was flawed.

comfort on bike is only 3?
3 is a pretty good score given what the Rondel is marketed as: a decently good looking versatile clipless sneaker, NOT a high performance race-ready bike shoe. I really don't think you can top 3/5 on a clipless shoe that relies exclusively on laces, because they're always going to loosen up as you ride. I'd give my Minretts about the same score... MAYBE half a point higher for the Adidas because of some extra breatheability.

Actually, just for comparison:

Adidas Minrett:
Aesthetics: 3/5
Comfort on the bike: 3.5/5
Comfort off the bike: 4/5
Quality of construction: 4/5
Price point: 3/5

So yeah, what really sets them apart at this point - and gives the Minretts a slight advantage in my book - is the construction quality. I've put a lot more miles on the Minretts, and (aside from cosmetically looking like they've been ridden to hell and back) they're still as solid as the day I bought them.

Of course, Adidas stopped making them. So there's that.


hmmm... so from the points above, it's an expensive good looking walking shoe that's poorly constructed. Let me fix that for you:

"It's an expensive good looking walking shoe, which is clipless compatible, that's poorly constructed."


You can't just leave out the only thing that makes the shoe even remotely appealing and call it a bust. That's like describing a Jeep as a "Four-door vehicle that gets crappy gas milage and offers a harsh ride".

That's like describing a Jeep as a "Four-door vehicle that gets crappy gas milage and offers a harsh ride".

Which is exactly what it is.

Which is exactly what it is.
And a Bugatti Veyron makes a crappy fishing boat (http://izismile.com/img/img2/20091116/bugatti_01.jpg) but I wouldn't say that's a useful way of describing it.

A Jeep is useful because you can fix it with a hammer and you can drive over rocks with it.
A Veyron is useful because you can do 255 and it will get you laid.
The Rondels are useful because they look alright and you can clip into your eggbeaters.


Any description of the above which doesn't include these things is incomplete and disingenuous.

I guess you're right. A Jeep doesn't fall apart after two months.

"Hey guys, the overall construction of my house may be shoddy - hell, the roof blew off during the last wind storm - but that chair in my living room sure does look good and is prett darn comfortable!"

A more apt analogy would be:

"Hey guys, the overall construction of my house may be shoddy - hell, there's already a crack showing up in the basement block wall - but the architecture is really appealing and the floorplan is top notch."

I aced the SAT Verbal section, trust me on this one.

i have rondels which are great. maybe not 130 dollars great given the workmanship if this is happening to dsh, but my soles are still attached and i'd say mine are 4/5 on a bike. 4/5 overall. if china would just step their mother****in' game up...

i have rondels which are great. maybe not 130 dollars great given the workmanship if this is happening to dsh, but my soles are still attached and i'd say mine are 4/5 on a bike. 4/5 overall. if china would just step their mother****in' game up...


yeah...im waiting for my chinese knock offs too...
freaking slackers [i can say this and not be racist cause im chinese :D]

I want my CONDELS NAO!