Mountain Biking - 26 in or 29er???

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Cobwebb67
11-17-10, 08:11 PM
Same exact bike except for wheel size. I realize this isn't actually possible but, which would you choose the 26 in or 29 er.
Dannihilator
11-17-10, 08:57 PM
26" for me.
Johnny Law
11-17-10, 09:05 PM
69er is pretty sweet
pablosnazzy
11-17-10, 09:13 PM
you could have the best of both worlds and get a 55er.
i like the 26 er. if you are tall, perhaps you might like a 29er instead.
I'd need to spend some time riding both bikes on my local terrain before making a decision.
Zephyr11
11-17-10, 09:54 PM
No love for 24"?
Dannihilator
11-17-10, 10:07 PM
Got to like 24's for certain aspects. If I was to build a full on skatepark type of mtb, I would build it around 24" wheels.
mustang1
11-17-10, 10:11 PM
Never ridden a 29 so cant say for sure, but prefer 26. 29s to me *look* to big and heavy, would take too long to spin up.
junkyard
11-18-10, 11:59 AM
29er is the new standard. At least, that's what I heard around BF.
Johnny Law
11-18-10, 12:09 PM
29er is the new standard. At least, that's what I heard around BF.
i thought SS was the new standard??
BurnNotice
11-18-10, 03:16 PM
No one could decide that until it was ridden. Not too sure of those 29'ers quite yet.
freshandfly21
11-24-10, 08:57 PM
Ive ridden on, and own, both, and I can't remember the last time I've even looked at my 26er. The 29er is smoother in every aspect, and can go over much larger obstacles. They keep momentum longer, and they have a much clearer ride, because you can lower the tire pressure. Potholes become less of a problem, for those of you who use the road too. The first thing you do when you get a 29er, which you will, ;), you are gonna buy a set of bontrager xr1 tires, which I absolutely love. Accelerating is something you have to get used to, but they jump amazingly. Riding a 29er isnt riding a new kind of bike, its completely changing youself, and they way you ride. Ask me any questions, and I got the answers.
Ive ridden on, and own, both, and I can't remember the last time I've even looked at my 26er. The 29er is smoother in every aspect, and can go over much larger obstacles. They keep momentum longer, and they have a much clearer ride, because you can lower the tire pressure. Potholes become less of a problem, for those of you who use the road too. The first thing you do when you get a 29er, which you will, ;), you are gonna buy a set of bontrager xr1 tires, which I absolutely love. Accelerating is something you have to get used to, but they jump amazingly. Riding a 29er isnt riding a new kind of bike, its completely changing youself, and they way you ride. Ask me any questions, and I got the answers.
I agree with your points but please explain the part about lowering tire pressure as a benefit. I lower the pressure in my 26 wheeled bike too so what's the advantage there?
i thought SS was the new standard??
That would be a steel SS 29er.
mtnbiker66
11-25-10, 08:37 AM
The first thing you do when you get a 29er, which you will, ;), you are gonna buy a set of bontrager xr1 tires, which I absolutely love. Accelerating is something you have to get used to, but they jump amazingly. Riding a 29er isnt riding a new kind of bike, its completely changing youself, and they way you ride. Ask me any questions, and I got the answers.
Wow.....you are the most amazing rider on the forums. I surely hope you will hold an autograph session soon. Where can I find these magic tires you speak of? If you love them, I know I will too.
Johnny Law
11-25-10, 08:57 AM
26er. .
lol, you said 26er..:lol:
rnorris
11-25-10, 09:06 AM
26 for me; I like the acceleration and quick handling that come with that wheel size. Also, am not sure how well the larger wheels work with the 15" or smaller frames that I ride.
freshandfly21
11-25-10, 09:07 AM
I agree with your points but please explain the part about lowering tire pressure as a benefit. I lower the pressure in my 26 wheeled bike too so what's the advantage there?
Lowering your tire pressure allows to have much more traction in tricky situations. And you could, with a bigger wheel, lower it even further, giving you amazing traction
freshandfly21
11-25-10, 09:08 AM
Wow.....you are the most amazing rider on the forums. I surely hope you will hold an autograph session soon. Where can I find these magic tires you speak of? If you love them, I know I will too.
If youre not bein sarcastic, any reputable bike shop. What I did, was that i went to a gary fisher dealer, and asked them to take them off of a superfly for me
mtnbiker66
11-25-10, 09:46 AM
Awesome!!!! Thanks, I'll go out and find some. What if all I have is bikes with 26" tires? Will these magic tires still give me the amazing traction that you love soooo much?
freshandfly21
11-25-10, 09:47 AM
Awesome!!!! Thanks, I'll go out and find some. What if all I have is bikes with 26" tires? Will these magic tires still give me the amazing traction that you love soooo much?
i dont think they have it for 26 in.
mtnbiker66
11-25-10, 09:52 AM
Bummer!!!!!! What would you suggest that I run on my 26" bike?
freshandfly21
11-25-10, 09:54 AM
here,
http://bontrager.com/model/07798
mtnbiker66
11-25-10, 10:04 AM
Oh wow! I think it's really awesome how you can suggest a tire just becuse you like it. You have no clue where I ride or how I ride. Are the trails hard pack,sandy, rocky, rooty, muddy, flat terrain or steep? I can tell you right now that that tire is pretty much worthless to me and where I ride. Before you make across the board suggestions on what is "best" you should really get a clue.
samburger
11-25-10, 04:27 PM
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You got told!
scrublover
11-25-10, 05:06 PM
Wow. Those 29er Bonty tires would suck balls for much of where I like to ride.
Try both, buy whichever you end up liking more. Anyhow, this thread will go just like all the prior 26 vs. 29 threads...
Gave a 29er with several setups for gearing, suspension/rigid, and geometry a good try and hated it. Yes, it rolls over stuff very well, and once up to speed just steamrolls right along. I very much disliked it for every other aspect of what and how I like to ride, however.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=491856
Still open to the idea. If I were to get a test spin on a bike that felt as good to me on some of my usual trails as my 26" wheeled rides do, I'd likely buy one.
freshandfly21
11-25-10, 07:51 PM
I'm giving your my opin. on what is my favorite tire. If you dont like it, dont buy it, and most certainly dont ***** about, becasue this a friggin bike forum, not a sandbox. Its your problem to see if the tire fits your needs.
mtnbiker66
11-25-10, 09:06 PM
Who's *****in'? I was pointing out the sillyness of saying that "this tire is best 'cuse I like it".
Zephyr11
11-25-10, 09:41 PM
Looks like there's a 26" version: http://bontrager.com/model/07797
If you're really concerned about lowering tire pressure, going tubeless will help you a lot more than the wheel size (which shouldn't effect how much pressure you can run).
I'll accept your point that they keep momentum longer and acceleration is something you have to get used to, but I'm going to contest your point that they jump well. How well a bike jumps is dependent on its geometry and its responsiveness. Beyond that, little wheels generally jump better since the bike is smaller and easier to throw around (if you need proof, watch what the guys on 20" BMX bikes can do). That's also why some jump bikes are 24" (and while some are 26", you pretty much never see a 29", other than the huge BMX bikes SE has out).
Dannihilator
11-25-10, 10:17 PM
I'd listen to what '66 says, just because you like a certain tire doesn't mean everyone else will like it . I've tried the 26" wheeled version of said tire and found it to be awful. The handling on them isn't as dialed as compared to tires with a similar tread design(Kenda small block eight, Maxxis Larsen TT, DMR moto diggers.) Felt that the XR-1's when cornering felt flimsy. Durability wise, after a single hard session on them, had knobs that were close to being ripped off, only other tire I've managed to do this to were the dual compound Michelins.
As far as 29er's being good at jumping, I am yet to be sold on that, seeing first hand @ the pumptrack how cumbersome they are on there, especially on the jump lines.
Momentum is great if you're traveling in a straight line at a constant speed, but it's your worst enemy if you have to start, stop or change speed and direction frequently. It's the reason 26" bikes will always dominate the technical riding genere of mountain biking - downhill, dual slalom, freeride, obvserved trials and technical singletrack.
From an engineering standpoint, you always want the smallest, lightest and strongest wheel you can get away with. If a 26" wheeled bike isn't holding you back, there's no reason to go bigger.
samburger
11-26-10, 06:27 AM
I'm giving your my opin. on what is my favorite tire. If you dont like it, dont buy it, and most certainly dont ***** about, becasue this a friggin bike forum, not a sandbox. Its your problem to see if the tire fits your needs.
But what he (& most everyone else) is trying to tell you is that giving him advice on what the best tire is for you is completely useless unless you know for a fact that he rides the same kind of terrain the same way as you do.
So please, with your never-ending source of knowledge, tell me what the best tire would be for my style of riding based on the complete lack of information I've given you about myself & the trails I frequent.
mtnbiker66
11-26-10, 06:46 AM
Where did he go?
. . . and can go over much larger obstacles.Wow. There's some guys on little wheels who can get over some pretty big stuff. So you're saying 29 inches can get me (proportionately) over even BIGGER stuff? Awesome! Sign me up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj4ucsxJjPQ
Oh wow! I think it's really awesome how you can suggest a tire just becuse you like it.Heck, that's nuthin' - - I can recommend a tire just because a sponsor makes it :D.
freshandfly21
11-26-10, 11:23 AM
Looks like there's a 26" version: http://bontrager.com/model/07797
If you're really concerned about lowering tire pressure, going tubeless will help you a lot more than the wheel size (which shouldn't effect how much pressure you can run).
I'll accept your point that they keep momentum longer and acceleration is something you have to get used to, but I'm going to contest your point that they jump well. How well a bike jumps is dependent on its geometry and its responsiveness. Beyond that, little wheels generally jump better since the bike is smaller and easier to throw around (if you need proof, watch what the guys on 20" BMX bikes can do). That's also why some jump bikes are 24" (and while some are 26", you pretty much never see a 29", other than the huge BMX bikes SE has out).
Sorry let me correct myself, they handle better after the jump, they keep you more stable
Sorry let me correct myself, they handle better after the jump, they keep you more stable
How so?
samburger
11-26-10, 11:41 AM
I understand how tire width can affect stability..but I'm not so sure about tire diameter. Since when are taller objects MORE stable??
Johnny Law
11-26-10, 02:08 PM
you guys are having way to much fun picking that guy apart..
freshandfly21
11-26-10, 03:36 PM
I understand how tire width can affect stability..but I'm not so sure about tire diameter. Since when are taller objects MORE stable??
Assuming that you are moving forward after your jump, you dont know how or where exactly where you will land, therefore the bigger tire will help you in the case that you land closer to a rock or ditch. Imagine jumping a scooter and a bmx. Which one will land better?
samburger
11-26-10, 03:56 PM
Assuming that you are moving forward after your jump, you dont know how or where exactly where you will land, therefore the bigger tire will help you in the case that you land closer to a rock or ditch. Imagine jumping a scooter and a bmx. Which one will land better?
So what you're really saying is that 29ers are for hacks who can't stick a landing with 26" wheels. Gotcha.:thumb:
you guys are having way to much fun picking that guy apart..
It's just the initiation for becoming a true member of the forum. We both still deal with it from select members (66 & 01 mostly).
vw addict
11-26-10, 04:01 PM
i thought SS was the new standard??
for some of us...
It's just the initiation for becoming a true member of the forum. We both still deal with it from select members (66 & 01 mostly).
That statement falsely implies you're a true forum member!
samburger
11-26-10, 07:16 PM
We both still deal with [the initiation] from select members
Fixed.
mtnbiker66
11-26-10, 08:51 PM
Sorry let me correct myself, they handle better after the jump, they keep you more stable
Classic!!!!!!
Johnny Law
11-27-10, 07:56 AM
It's just the initiation for becoming a true member of the forum. We both still deal with it from select members (66 & 01 mostly).
very true..
mtnbiker66
11-27-10, 09:57 AM
False, It's getting called out for posting nonsense. Never and D do it on a regular basis.
But at least nonsense makes the forum entertaining. And everyone posting nonsense is getting off easy without Fagerlin here!
samburger
11-27-10, 11:18 AM
We don't just get it for calling out nonsense. We get nitpicked. If a fellow veteran has a typo in a post or says something without foundation, it's overlooked & accepted as truth. If we do the same, we're called out to explain ourselves.
Here's an example right here:
Flexy metals? Do tell.
Just waiting for an opportunity to call me out of giving advice even though I've only been on a mountain bike since early this year. If I didn't have a video to better explain the terminology I have yet to learn, others likely would have joined in on the fun.
Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with calling out newbs when they start dishing out advice. We have no credibility for our advice to be accepted. I'm just saying a part of gaining credibility is getting called out on your BS, & that's exactly what happened to this guy.
And I agree with never. Without poking fun at people from time to time, we're no better than pre-Fagerlin mtbr.
Everyone who posts something stupid should get called out. It just happens that newbies proportionally post more crap because of the lack of experience.
mtnbiker66
11-27-10, 01:04 PM
Everyone who posts something stupid should get called out. It just happens that newbies proportionally post more crap because of the lack of experience.
Wurd! Suck it up Sammy.
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