Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Show me why Create bikes are so bad quality!

Hello,

I have seen lots of reviews where Create bikes are heavily criticised, but no one has posted any pictures or videos of the bikes exploding while you cycle them (As some people claims)

They are made in China, yes... Is that all?

Thanks for your input

M.

First of all, i haven't heard of them. they could be amazing.

second of all, there are tons of bikes that suck out there. the main reason they suck is because they are much lower quality than a few other bikes available for the same amount of money. usually, such bikes are just some idiot's foray into a market they don't understand. These 'producers' are overconfident in their design skill and think they can hype their flashy painted knockoff enough to make a considerable profit on rebranded chinese product.

and i'm sorry, but to succeed in that kind of endeavor you have to either cater to idiots, like RYD, or be so ****ing talented and smart that you can actually make a bike worth the price increase over something like a bikesdirect or leader. like Traitor bikes or All-City.

the people behind the latter actually know what they're doing. RYD is just a hipster cess pool run by jackasses selling ****ty bikes and a hyped image that kids in LA go ape for.



usually, the people who refuse to believe that the above is true or applies to their bike are either:
1. selling something
2. butthurt that they spent their money on an inferior product, and deep down know that the hype they bought into is bs.

it's not that these Create bikes are made in china-
it's that they are made in the same factories as bikes that are less expensive and/or more enjoyable to ride/deliver better performance for their intended use.

made in china is par for the course with cheap bikes now. because of this, china's gotten pretty good at making bikes. it's how most chinese people get around, and as with most everything production has moved to asia while america and most of europe do the design and engineering. but that doesn't mean that some small time artwannabe trendy hip hypemongering doushbag company that sets out to make unimaginitive bikes is offering a good product. in this oversaturated market, you have to be a complete idiot to choose a republic bike or an RYD over a kilo or a 722. or a windsor hour. or a goddamn se draft, which is basically a republic bike for a hunded or so less and better wheels. or a madison.

i'm all for supporting the little guy. but i'm not for supporting the little redbull drinking socal bro who thinks he's awesome when his designs are crap and his bikes are more expensive than a fuji track and perform worse than an se draft.

or maybe not. i've never heard of these bikes, and you cite no sources for said 'critical reviews.' i don't intend to look them up either, because i think you're trolling or shilling or both.

Never heard of them, so Google revealed that they are essentially the UK version of Republic Bikes: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/create-bikes-v20-the-cheap-fixed-gear-grows-up/

OP, go look up "republic bikes," and you'll see lots of comments about why people hate them. Long story short, for the price, you COULD get a much nicer bike. These bikes are just catering towards people who want pretty colors and don't know/care about the fact that the components are crap.

First of all, i haven't heard of them. they could be amazing....

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....or maybe not. i've never heard of these bikes and you cite no sources for said 'critical reviews' so i don't intend to look them up, because i think you're trolling or shilling or both.

First, I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Second, next time you find yourself in the greater Washington DC area I'd like to buy you a beer.

Ryan,

First, I'm wondering if you're being sarcastic.

Second, I'd gladly take you up on that and you should know that I graduated class of 2003 from Oakton Highschool in fairfax county. So that isn't as much of an impossibility as any random dude on the internet may assume it to be.




Also, if they're the same as republic bikes then it's pretty well known that yes, they suck.

First, I'm wondering if you're being sarcastic.

Sarcastic in that (I assume) you do not actually publish a newsletter to which I might subscribe. But I found your response to be reasonable, well thought out, and well presented.


Second, I'd gladly take you up on that and you should know that I graduated class of 2003 from Oakton Highschool in fairfax county. So that isn't as much of an impossibility as any random dude on the internet may assume it to be.

I'm a man of my word, next time you find yourself in town I will make good on my offer of complimentary liquid refreshment. I'm on the MD side but my younger brother is working on his masters at GMU and he lives in Vienna so I'm down that way a lot.

Perhaps there should be a monthly cc700 newsletter. I'd even make it a sticky.

this month in "New Crap That Isn't as Good as This Other Crap:"

Hi-ten bikes... Why they Don't get a High-Five

Your Bilenky: Steel is only Real if you Pay Five Grand for it

Leader's 727tr: A super pista that barspins 700s

Velcro retention: because clipless are for roadies!

And more!

M4M/25

Looking for a man with reasonable views on cycling culture. Knowledgeable, but not too pretentious. Must have opinions on the realness of steel, foot retention, and Republic Bikes. Local boys preferred.

Maybe I can buy you a drink, read your newsletter, see where things go from there...

I love it.

By the way, I graduated Hayfield in '03. I think we used to beat you guys in basketball.

Does anyone really care about Create bikes anyway? We all know there are two choices, Kilo or 722, get with the program.

I second it!

By the way, I graduated Hayfield in '03. I think we used to beat you guys in basketball.

O'Doyle rules.

wow, I'm amazed that the 722 is getting so much love these days. When I got mine a year ago people seemed apprehensive about them. Very good deal considering what you get.

wow, I'm amazed that the 722 is getting so much love these days. When I got mine a year ago people seemed apprehensive about them. Very good deal considering what you get.

I'm no longer at liberty to discuss how much I like mine without certain people's bibs getting in a bunch.

I'm no longer at liberty to discuss how much I like mine without certain people's bibs getting in a bunch.

Lol

I'm no longer at liberty to discuss how much I like mine without certain people's bibs getting in a bunch.

I see what you've done to you sig...very stealthy

Thanks for all your coments I will take them in consideration! Seem more like a trend and supporting the small man.

However, some of you mention that for the amount of money a Create Bike Costs I could get other bikes...but to be honest I cant find much on 350 range.
I have seen a nice Fuji on my LBS today, its interesting, little... I will try it when I´ll recover from my accident.

CC700 Your words are interesting I shall keep reading.

Scrodzilla: A sticky post on reviews would be interesting.

Thanks to all

but to be honest I cant find much on 350 range.

Have you ever even BEEN to bikeforums?

http://bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/kilott_special_ed.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/messenger_x.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/clockwork_blkbrry.htm

Most if not all build a bike configurators are not really build a bike in the sense that a computer system configurator is. And that's where the failing, even harsh judgment is similarly based. The bike components are the same across the board, color is the difference, the component often winds up being a manufacturers entry level offering. With computer system configurators, you get a choice of cpu speed, memory options, video card, all that have a quality upgrade within the category of components. I guess it's build a bike in that it allows you to see the artistic creation. But often times this comes at a $ 100 premium in cost, even though the inconvenience of waiting 2 weeks for the bike to be put together happens.

Most if not all build a bike configurators are not really build a bike in the sense that a computer system configurator is. And that's where the failing, even harsh judgment is similarly based. The bike components are the same across the board, color is the difference, the component often winds up being a manufacturers entry level offering. With computer system configurators, you get a choice of cpu speed, memory options, video card, all that have a quality upgrade within the category of components. I guess it's build a bike in that it allows you to see the artistic creation. But often times this comes at a $ 100 premium in cost, even though the inconvenience of waiting 2 weeks for the bike to be put together happens.

i've had it up to yesterday with these kinds of analogies
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/emosubaru/OVERthis.jpg

cc700 has a blog (http://ceramicconfessions.wordpress.com/), which I find very intriguing to read and so will you.

M4M/25

Looking for a man with reasonable views on cycling culture. Knowledgeable, but not too pretentious. Must have opinions on the realness of steel, foot retention, and Republic Bikes. Local boys preferred.

Maybe I can buy you a drink, read your newsletter, see where things go from there...
:roflmao2: :roflmao:


i've had it up to yesterday with these kinds of analogies
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/emosubaru/OVERthis.jpg
Hehe, +1

The frame should be good to begin with and then you should be able to spec the bike the way you want.

Bikebiz has a configurator that's good... but the choices can be literally overwhelming.

I think it would be helpful if they grouped part packages into Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced so people could choose parts appropriate to their riding interests and budget.

That's the way to make an online bike build more convenient and accessible.

very entertaining. I'm gonna check out the blog as well.

High tensile steel is the new skateboard.


Or something

Chinese Christ Cycles....say what???

Edit...I'm going to tackle CC's blog tomorrow, sober.

I'm never reading CC's blog.

It's too mainstream.

too mainstream.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/emosubaru/TREND.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/emosubaru/TREND.jpg
Yes, which is why we need to somehow include gorillas in the BFSSFG sticker now, obviously.

Since Vixtor posted a link to CC's blog, 3 out of 6 posters have said they would read it.

If you extrapolate that out over the entire population of the world, that's like 4 billion readers.



Whatever, sheep.

I'm no longer at liberty to discuss how much I like mine without certain people's bibs getting in a bunch.

It's amusing just how you missed the point completely, I'll spell it out for you then you have another opportunity to close another thread.

The the answer to the question "Is this bike, (insert bike of choice, Create, KHS etc.) a good deal?" is not "Get a Leader instead." You really should just let it go and move on, actually it sounds like it's your bib that is in a bunch.

It's amusing just how you missed the point completely, I'll spell it out for you then you have another opportunity to close another thread.

The the answer to the question "Is this bike, (insert bike of choice, Create, KHS etc.) a good deal?" is not "Get a Leader instead." You really should just let it go and move on, actually it sounds like it's your bib that is in a bunch.
I dunno, it sounds like Scrod is just sharing an opinion he finds helpful. It is a well trodden subject by now that these bikes are not a good deal, so why would suggesting better deals (in one's opinion) be a bad thing?

Plus I hear Scord gets a Leader sticker or patch EVERY TIME he recommends one of their bikes, so

Plus I hear Scord gets a Leader tuggie or blowie EVERY TIME he recommends one of their bikes, so

Sounds like trouble. How does Angie feel about this?

I don't understand your logic, and I find that amusing because I'm nearly handicapped so I get most of what the lames around here are trying to say.

What happens is someone gets a new bike that no one has tried before and says "Whoa, this is sweet guys, check it out" and then theres another piece of equipment collectively added to The Forumers list of suggested bikes in X price range that give you the most bang for the buck.


wow, I'm amazed that the 722 is getting so much love these days. When I got mine a year ago people seemed apprehensive about them. Very good deal considering what you get.

someone completely unattached from Scrod reaffirms the fact its a legit bike.

We then have someone suggest some other bikes


Have you ever even BEEN to bikeforums?

http://bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/kilott_special_ed.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/messenger_x.htm
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/clockwork_blkbrry.htm

Honestly, if you were to get a FTP or Concept, or Bareknuckle and go ranting and raving about it should we mob you screaming shill? ffs, people get new toys, fall in love, and then get new ones.

In the small time i've been a member here (I lurked for a long time before I even created an account) I've seen Scrod go through 3 bikes, and other members go through several as well. We're not all made of money, so every bike isn't being tested, we have a small collective knowledge of what we've used and enjoyed, and what didn't work, or wasn't worth its price.

And frankly your post seems like your trying to provoke a power you see as unjust, when frankly for a forum this large and moderated SSFG seems to run wild with content that i'd deem unfit if i were trying to keep things PG.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3819/advicesq.jpg

It it's a new frame and costs under $500, then it is cheap and low quality (Lousey tubing, suspect welds, crummy prep, poor ride, etc), using, of course, a traditional set of references. But based on the posts of a great number of folks, there seems to be a high demand for such frames. And the evidence suggests they will indeed last a long time (I remind you of the utility of the low quality frames/bikes used by 99% of the people in the rest of the world). So if you don't care about what others think - you hang out with people like you rather than knowledgeable cyclists - then a cheap, low quality, basic transportation bike is your cup of tea. In fact everyone should have one so they can appreciate the 99% who depend on their bikes to get along, rather than worrying about its quality.

It it's a new frame and costs under $500, then it is cheap and low quality (Lousey tubing, suspect welds, crummy prep, poor ride, etc), using, of course, a traditional set of references. But based on the posts of a great number of folks, there seems to be a high demand for such frames. And the evidence suggests they will indeed last a long time (I remind you of the utility of the low quality frames/bikes used by 99% of the people in the rest of the world). So if you don't care about what others think - you hang out with people like you rather than knowledgeable cyclists - then a cheap, low quality, basic transportation bike is your cup of tea. In fact everyone should have one so they can appreciate the 99% who depend on their bikes to get along, rather than worrying about its quality.
Then again, unlike the rest of the world he came to a group of people who know a lot about bikes and said "how is this deal" and they said "you can get more bang for your buck"
I believe its human nature to try and get the most they possibly can, so when you put it like "cheap, low quality basic transportation. Or check this out, its in a similar price range and pretty much everything on it is a couple steps up" they'll go for that, and be happier in the long run because they ride their friends "Cup of teas" and say "Wow, I can feel the difference, I'm a smart, intelligent young individual" and BAM, instant self esteem.

It it's a new frame and costs under $500, then it is cheap and low quality
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/emosubaru/banana.jpg

I live in your shadow, CC.
And feel honored to be alive at the same time.

I dunno, it sounds like Scrod is just sharing an opinion he finds helpful. It is a well trodden subject by now that these bikes are not a good deal, so why would suggesting better deals (in one's opinion) be a bad thing?

Exactly. Apparently I'm the only one here who does that.

http://www.egopinions.com/images/g/03thankyou_jesus.jpg

Plus I hear Scord gets a Leader sticker or patch EVERY TIME he recommends one of their bikes, so

You do realize I make the stickers, right? I've got thousands of them.

Plus I hear Scord gets a Leader sticker or patch EVERY TIME he recommends one of their bikes, so
:lol:


http://www.egopinions.com/images/g/03thankyou_jesus.jpg
I'm afraid I cannot accept said offering, as its lack of bananas does not please me.

But there's a banana beneath his loincloth.

Thank for all your comments I will take them in to consideration. I still need two more months for recovery (I had surgery on my elbows yesterday)

I will either build my own bike out of an old Road - Track frame over the winter or save some money and get something good next year.

Thanks to you all!

BTW - I do use the search option on Bikeforums but I live in Manchester (UK). Long distance shipping is something I don´t want to get involved with.

M.