Classic & Vintage - Turning myself in for crimes against Bikes.

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PX-10 reaches new lows

http://velospace.org/files/rsoneIMGP6086.jpg

A French bike with Italian components
A race bike to be used for commuting
A vintage bike with modern parts
Built with a spreadsheet instead inspiration

What can I say? I am ashamed of this bike.
http://velospace.org/files/rstwoIMGP6087.jpg

In all its 16.3 lbs of embarrassment.
I even tried to write an algorithm to decide my tires.
http://velospace.org/files/rsthreeIMGP6089.jpg

What do you folks think? Total do-over right?

Bloody Awful. In before the others with my address. :D

Do over the cable stops. I'm kinda baffled over the weight though, how'd you do that, or are you sure its accurate? I know those vitus frames are pretty light, but still.

Don't climb hard or sprint with that thing!

I kind of like it but, get rid of those awful black tires

Uhh... pretty cool, actually.

Do over the cable stops. I'm kinda baffled over the weight though, how'd you do that, or are you sure its accurate? I know those vitus frames are pretty light, but still.

Don't climb hard or sprint with that thing!

16.3#?? I'm puzzled with the weight too, specially with what looks to be clincher wheels(?), brifters and the not so weenie components on a big frame (60CM??) . I would think the weight might be closer to 17-18 pounds??
Did you pump some hydrogen or helium into the tires or something??:rolleyes::D
Oops!......... I see some carbon on those brifters...and those brake calipers look pretty light from the front with the slotted arms.....maybe it is 16.3 pounds then!

Chombi

what, no Carbon Fiber fork?

I'll be fair that the 16.3 is with a seat that is currently set to arrive on Monday, it is currently 60g heftier, but looks the same as it will next week.
Anyone interested in my spreadsheet? Gram weights of every part because I dont trust a hanging scale. It also includes my cost and source for building.

After winter I will build some low spoke count wheels with sapim CXrays and it will be at 16.0

It looks fantastic, nice job!

BTW, nice photography, very well seen. Move along, no crime here ...

Scott

Amazing, I've never seen an aluminum PX-10, it looks like it could pass of as a 2010 model. I think your cable stops are on upside down though...

Very, very nice criminal work.

I'll be fair that the 16.3 is with a seat that is currently set to arrive on Monday, it is currently 60g heftier, but looks the same as it will next week.
Anyone interested in my spreadsheet? Gram weights of every part because I dont trust a hanging scale. It also includes my cost and source for building.

After winter I will build some low spoke count wheels with sapim CXrays and it will be at 16.0

Aha!! counting weight weenie points before they are installed is definitely a C&V Forum crime!!:eek:
You will now be required to post clear HD photos of your bike as soon as the weenie stash arrives or is built and installed!:D:rolleyes:
Oh, good idea from a previous poster about a carbon fork too!:thumb:
BTW, it's looking real nice so far. Nice touch with the ergo bars not tilted too far up. Personally, that's what I think mostly ruins the looks of most new bikes today IMO, in addition to the compact "tail dragger" frames.
JMOs
Chombi

I think your cable stops are on upside down though...
there it is...that's the crime...book 'em Dan-o!

It's not really a crime if ya ask me... the only real crime is making a bicycle un-rideable ;)

Personally, it doesn't do anything for me (in a fashion/looks sense) but it seems like it'd fun to ride. I grin like a kid anytime I ride a light-weight bike.

Amazing, I've never seen an aluminum PX-10, it looks like it could pass of as a 2010 model. I think your cable stops are on upside down though...

I prefer them closer to my hands rather than hiding behind the downtube.
they function the same, the look can be distracting but this modern Campy stuff is just so finicky to tune that I have a few times had to pull a half turn as cable housings settle and other chain noise occurs. Now that its broken in I could switch it around but then I would have to re-tune it.

...... but this modern Campy stuff is just so finicky to tune.......

Really? That has never been my experience with the many Modern Campagnolo equipped bikes that I've built. What did you have problems with?

Nice touch with the ergo bars not tilted too far up.

Yeah, if the bars need to be tilted up too much then you need a taller stem or shorter reach.
I honestly think many think the "ergo" part of the bar is right at the tip of the barend, instead of the nice flat right under the levers.

Looking good.
What wheels? I see no stickers (nice), how light are they?
Wow on the weight. I have 20# bikes right now. Ironman with Ultegra. Would love to get it to 17# range.

Really? That has never been my experience with the many Modern Campagnolo equipped bikes that I've built. What did you have problems with?

It may have been because I routed both cables to the front (which it is equipped for) giving the shifter cable a harsher bend when exiting the lever body.
Twice I had to tighten the rear DR when i notices some chatter from the cogs and once I shifted the front too hard and pulled the DR down the ST by an 1/8", I gave the barrel a twist and rode to a safe place to fix it.
The ergolevers are brand new, Campy cables and housings. Both DRs are lightly used, but it shouldnt matter on that end. ...Unless a pivot is loose... BRB!

Really? That has never been my experience with the many Modern Campagnolo equipped bikes that I've built. What did you have problems with?

I've only had one issue, but it was my own doing. I put a 130mm rear wheel with 8 speed record ergo onto an old C'Dale frame with 126mm rear end. The RD hanger angle was off by a smidge and the initial setup was a bit of a pain - bottom 4 gears would dial in, but would be off in the upper 4 and vice versa. Fixed that by replacing the frame with a Tommasini Tecno (no more issues) followed by 10 speed record. 8)

Frame-1364g
Fork-388g
Bottom Bracket-55g
Front Dérailleur-107g
Crankset-864g
Headset-90g
Stem-243g
Seatpost-163g
Brakes-339g
Rear Dérailleur-226g
Handlebars-225g Assumed, bars arrive monday
Seat-209g Assumed, seat arrives monday
Brifters-343g
Chain-234g
Cables and stops-199g
Tape-41g
Cassette-185g
Hubs-312g
Rims-776g
Rimtape-7g
Skewers-71g
Spokes-342g
Nipples-53g
Tubes-156g
Tires-417g

Total 7409g
X 0.00220462
16.33lbs

That...that's absolutely beautiful. I wish my Campy-equipped bike looked that classy. Well, it does, but that frame look AWESOME.

Furthermore, a frame that large weighing in at only 2.9pounds? Holy crap...

Nice touch with the ergo bars not tilted too far up. Personally, that's what I think mostly ruins the looks of most new bikes today IMO, in addition to the compact "tail dragger" frames.
JMOs
Chombi
+100
We share the same sense of aesthetic balance (which naturally eminates from a properly set up bicycle IMO).

I own a tail dragger and am planning to replace the frame one day. I don't mind sloping TT's on mountain bikes, but really do not like them on road bikes. I'm a tall guy and have a hard enough time finding a frame that fits me properly. My commuter is the largest frame available in that model, has a sloping TT and I have a frigging mile of seatpost on it.

Nice list but I see no grease or oil on it. Also, are those weights spec'd or functionally individually weighed. Plus screws and washers vary so you would have had to weigh each of those items. Plus the as installed weights of cables and housings vary based on trim points. And was the bar wrap installed and cut and then calculated based upon trimmings subtracted from pre-installed gross weight. Then there is the finish tape on the bar wrap.

Apart from that I'm fine with the build except for that seat post. But what do I know, I don't really care about weights. ;)

Well nothing is mentioned on how it rides, and I'm guessing if pushed hard then not very well. If I remember those frames correctly.

I agree with Scott, move along.

I'm doing my 1988 Fuji Opus IV frameset (which PDX facilitated for me, thanks again!!) with DA7700 (downtube though...). If this Peugeot is a crime I'll be guilty as well. :)

I think this bike looks fantastic although my only quibble is the stem...I'm just not fond of those sculpted things, just a personal preference. Although having seen a few pics with them on classic frames this one works far, FAR better than any other I've seen. Case in point, one came on my Fuji Tiara as it came from CA:

http://home.comcast.net/~khatfull/images/tiara/tiara100.jpg

That was a 3T Mutant...just doesn't work...PDX's does. And, the Deda is FAR more classy.

PDX, this bike gets two huge thumbs up!! :thumb: :thumb:

I like.

Nice list but I see no grease or oil on it. Also, are those weights spec'd or functionally individually weighed. Plus screws and washers vary so you would have had to weigh each of those items. Plus the as installed weights of cables and housings vary based on trim points. And was the bar wrap installed and cut and then calculated based upon trimmings subtracted from pre-installed gross weight. Then there is the finish tape on the bar wrap.

Apart from that I'm fine with the build except for that seat post. But what do I know, I don't really care about weights. ;)

All weights are personally measured, not spec'd. Washers and bolts are included in their corresponding parts, as is grease.
To measure the cables I weighed the entire cable and housing set and then weighed the remnants after trimming.
Finishing tape is part of bar tape, bolts for the bottle cage are part of the frame. I did not include the bottle cage as it is an accessory just like the SKS fenders that I put on to ride and the lights that come and go.

I kept track of everything to be accurate, not to publish a facade.

And as far as riding... it is MARVELOUS.
everyone calls these frames whippy and flexy but I find the feel very responsive, more compliant than my carbon bike, a little mute on road feel.

I find it hard to classify its ride as it doenst have a "feel" to me, I have ridden alu, carbon, steel, wood, and Ti bikes and this bike feels...
Unstated

P.s.
also I picked up Khatfull's opus IV on this bike and will save you the elevation profile, but it was an intense 10 miles back with a frame on my body.

It may have been because I routed both cables to the front (which it is equipped for) giving the shifter cable a harsher bend when exiting the lever body.

That will cause problems, but I see no need to run the cables both in the front. What is your reasoning?

You need a basket.

The only thing worth keeping are the reifens(tires) Zeeg Hial! Oh, and the Italian bits are adequate.

Curious about the 234g chain - what is it?

Curious about the 234g chain - what is it?
Record hollow pin, shortened by 8(?) Links.

So super-fly.

So when I come to Portland in the spring when its not raining, what do I have to offer as collateral to ride it? A consent form?

Record hollow pin, shortened by 8(?) Links.

Good to know. I use the KMC X10 SL, and it is spec'ed at 240g for 110 links. They claim "Lightest 10spd chain available Includes missing link Weight - 240g"

I didn't weigh it after I took out links and installed it. Maybe you could have saved a few more grams. :D

Your bike doesn't look its age. Though it's not a bike for me (cost among other things), IMO ya done good! :thumb:

Flat-out stunning. This is a PX 10 DU / Vitus 959, correct?

-Kurt

I like it. Can't say I'm a huge fan of the seatpost, but otherwise, fantastic bike.

A propos seatpost - is it a Corima Ellipse?

3 things wrong
1- cable stops
2- it's not my size
3- it's not in my garage

You should have an optional tubular wheel set for this bike too, could save a few 100 grams on the rims and the tyres.

You should have an optional tubular wheel set for this bike too, could save a few 100 grams on the rims and the tyres.

This is my commuter bike. Hence the 28 spoke wheels and clinchers.
After spring I'm going to build a 24h/20 wheelset that will drop at least .3 lbs, more if I go tubular.
Although the kinlin rims are only 387g each so I would only lose another 70g per wheel with tubular tires and rims. I'm not trying to set records either. As is it is a 16.3 lb bike for $1300.

Nice build, and nice work on your photography too. Thanks for sharing. I have a build waiting on a Chesini frame using a very similar range of components.

And not sure what people are saying about "cable stops?" Do you mean the cable ends? Maybe he soldered them....

http://velospace.org/files/rsoneIMGP6086.jpgDamn fine. The only major quibble I can see is the seatpost, but I guess you take what you can get in 25.0mm.

That will cause problems, but I see no need to run the cables both in the front. What is your reasoning?

Campagnolo says its an option.
http://oi52.tinypic.com/33wbp4x.jpg

which you should take to heart as they dont even recommend braking from the top of the hoods.
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2jg5n4x.jpg

On four counts of crimes against bikes, the jury finds you not guilty. However, on the lesser count of improper use of a seatpost, the jury finds you guilty.

All kidding aside, between this and the tout Mavic Peugeot carbon TT bike you recently built, I have to say I really like how you build your bikes! :thumb:

Campagnolo says its an option.
http://oi52.tinypic.com/33wbp4x.jpg

which you should take to heart as they dont even recommend braking from the top of the hoods.
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2jg5n4x.jpg

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You said yourself that you were having shifting issues, the tight radius bend may be to blame, or improperly trimmed casings. In either case, installation error. I have no issues on any of my bikes equipped with Campy 10, either shifting or braking.

I kind of like it but, get rid of those awful black tires

GP4000S are one of the best road clinchers.

Great looking bike. Wasn't aware Peugeot rebadged Vitus 979's for their later PX-10. I like the color of the anodization Peugeot chose for the main tubes.

Great looking bike. Wasn't aware Peugeot rebadged Vitus 979's for their later PX-10. I like the color of the anodization Peugeot chose for the main tubes.

Only a EU model from 82-84, 82 with the decals shown and 83+ with automotive style emblems.
As far as I have found the only bronze anodized models were the peugeot team issue, it was not an optional color from Vitus.


GP4000S are one of the best road clinchers.

I almost went with the reflective GP4000 version but they were only available in 25mm (which is more like 27mm) and I found the S model for about $40 shipped online. (just missed out on a PBK package deal 2 for $70 shipped)


Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You said yourself that you were having shifting issues, the tight radius bend may be to blame, or improperly trimmed casings. In either case, installation error. I have no issues on any of my bikes equipped with Campy 10, either shifting or braking.

Now that every thing is settled it is fine, and after all, this uproar is simply about eating your toast butter side up vs. butter side down. To each their own.


Damn fine. The only major quibble I can see is the seatpost, but I guess you take what you can get in 25.0mm.

This was precisely the issue I ran into, I found a simplex 25.0 but wanted a campy one. Then I couldnt find a campy 25.0 for less than $50 and i ended up buying the Corima ellipse (which fits both 27.2 and 25.0) for $60 and saved a whole lot of weight in the process.


So super-fly.

So when I come to Portland in the spring when its not raining, what do I have to offer as collateral to ride it? A consent form?

If you are around 6ft tall and have some shoes with Look Delta cleats then you can take a cruise through my entire stable.

I can't believe how light this is, especially the frame fork. The weight of the wheels seems unbelieveably light for that many spokes, but the math is the math, still I'd like to see it weighed complete. I guess the weight doesn't include pedals either so that would bump it up 200 grams or so? Either way you've got a nice looking bike with awesome running gear. I'm sure it is a great ride, probably climbs real well too, as long as you keep your butt on the saddle.