Advocacy & Safety - Microchip ID - Adapt for cyclists?

This could be adapted for use as ID, can be scanned by paramedics or hospital/Doctor surgery staff, and have instant contact details, name, medical problems etc etc in case of accident or medical collapse.

yea?

http://www.clubplanet.com/content/article.asp?i=507&t=14

There are a lot of ways to get good customer service in a club. You could tip heavily. You could become a regular and ingratiate yourself with the staff. You could get your friends or roommates jobs as bartenders and then mooch off them all night.


Or, if you're feeling particularly bold, you could get a RFID chip implanted in your arm, giving you VIP status, a debit account for your drinks and just a little bit of 1984-style sci-fi paranoia.


RFID is a term you'll be hearing a lot about in the near future. It stands for Radio Frequency Identification, and it's basically new type of chip that is already being used in consumer products around the world. It will soon replace UPC codes and anti-theft devices in retail stores. Even better (or worse), it can track where products go, and who uses them -– raising the hackles of privacy advocates everywhere (think of the targeted advertising in films like Minority Report).


Instead of sticking a RDID tag in a pair of shoes or a DVD, one nightclub is using them to tag people. The Baja Beach Club in Barcelona, Spain is the first venue in the world to offer tagging to its VIP customers.


Why would you want even your favorite club to implant a tracking device in your arm? Users can be tagged as VIPs, giving staff immediate information on what their favorite drinks are, if they're worthy of entering the VIP section and even act as a debit account for drinks, negating the need to carry any actual cash around with you.


Conrad Chase, the American owner of the Baja Beach Club told Sync magazine, "This technology will work on a global level; it will destroy the need to carry ID documents and credit cards."


A BBC producer went through the procedure. He described the actual injection, saying, "[the nurse] held up the rather large needle containing the microchip and inserted it beneath the layer of skin and fat on my arm. She pressed the injector and it was in."


If you want to opt out of the system, the chip can be surgically removed at any point.


While the chip has not yet been approved for use in the U.S., RFID technology is making major inroads. One of the big growth areas is a similar kind of chip implant for pets -– enabling lost animals to be identified and returned to their owners. And it's only a small step from tagging your miniature poodle to signing up for a permanent tab at your favorite high-end hotspot.

Bad, bad idea.

Practical problem - who monitors the chip? Are you sure your government will be friendly to you during the next 40 years? What is to prevent a government from converting the chip into the same as a criminal's electronic bracklet? What is to prevent a government from requiring all to be fitted with a chip and then use the chip for monitoring behaviors and administering rewards and punishments, ala fines, for whatever is current "bad" behavior? Hitler would have loved to have this technology to put in all the Jews.

Religious problem - Rev 13:16,17
"And he causeth all, both small and great, Rich and poor, free and bond,
To receive a mark on their right hand, Or on their forehead.
And that no man might buy or sell, Save that he had the mark,
Or the name of the beast, Or the number of his name."

This will be a problem for serious Christians.

Bad, bad idea.

Practical problem - who monitors the chip? Are you sure your government will be friendly to you during the next 40 years? What is to prevent a government from converting the chip into the same as a criminal's electronic bracklet? What is to prevent a government from requiring all to be fitted with a chip and then use the chip for monitoring behaviors and administering rewards and punishments, ala fines, for whatever is current "bad" behavior? Hitler would have loved to have this technology to put in all the Jews.

Religious problem - Rev 13:16,17
"And he causeth all, both small and great, Rich and poor, free and bond,
To receive a mark on their right hand, Or on their forehead.
And that no man might buy or sell, Save that he had the mark,
Or the name of the beast, Or the number of his name."

This will be a problem for serious Christians.


Shades o' 1984 man.

Did you happen to notice how easily this passed the FDA under Bush's command!

"Medical reasons..." riiiiiiight.

They will insert a chip into me only when my flesh is cold and dead.

Dave

Did you happen to notice how easily this passed the FDA under Bush's command!

"Medical reasons..." riiiiiiight.

Did you ever stop to think of the possible good/practical uses for such an item and or RFID in general? You need to loosen up the chin straps on the tin foil helmet and quit worrying that the goverment gives two shakes of a rats tail what your doing.

Did you ever stop to think of the possible good/practical uses for such an item and or RFID in general? You need to loosen up the chin straps on the tin foil helmet and quit worrying that the goverment gives two shakes of a rats tail what your doing.

I used to wear a medalert bracelet... medical info in a similar device would be good enough for me... the last thing I want is an inplanted RFID.

Sorry, I'll stop worrying about the government when they stop telling me lies...

And I'm not just talking about the recent folks either... Remember that DDT used to be OK... and it just goes on.

I'm a veteran, love my country, but my goverment scares me sh**less. Seen what it's like from the inside. Anyone that doesn't think that if the goverment finds it expediant to use certain technologies against the people it's supposedly there to serve they are living in a fools paradise. History shows this clearly. Ever heard of J. Edger Hoover. How about Joseph MacCarthy. Think things have gotten better since their time. Have you read the Patriot Act?

Did you ever stop to think of the possible good/practical uses for such an item and or RFID in general? You need to loosen up the chin straps on the tin foil helmet and quit worrying that the goverment gives two shakes of a rats tail what your doing.

"Hi! We're from the Government, and we're here to help you!"

HAHAHAHAHAAA

Vets and animal shelters have been injecting microchips into animals for years... and scanning pets to locate the owners.Having it iserted is sometimes free and the registration cost runs around $10 One probem is they often get dislogded and wind up in some other part of the body.

Givne the choice of carrying ID or having some foreign object float around in my body.. I'd go for the old school method.

Stacy

We aren't animals. Why do we need to be tagged like one? Besides that, I like the little privacy I actually do have. The last thing I need is for the government to be following my movements on a blip screen. No thanks.

Koffee

In Texas, the government has put a magnetic stripe on the back of a driver's license and State ID cards. The stripe can be scanned to verify the information on the front. Bars and clubs have scanners to check id's for the true age of the id holder. The idea of the magnetic stripe was that a police officer could scan the license and be told that you are a white male, brown hair, green eyes, 180 pounds, 5 feet ten inches tall. If someone has altered the photo on the front of the license the scanner will tell the police what the original owner of the id looks like.

However, the magnetic tape could be used to store other information. Your blood type. Medicine that you are allergic to. Whether you are an organ donor. OR, whether you are considered a "bad driver", whether you have ever been arrested for drug possession, whether you are a member of the Democratic party or in some other way are "An Enemy of the State".

I had stopped carrying a drivers license when I was out taking a walk or riding my bike. A police officer appeared to have a stroke when I told him I do not carry an ID. He felt compelled to bounce me off his police car a few times to find out whether I was concealing an ID. So, now I find it "healthier" to carry an ID when I ride my bike.

Bounced you off his police car?? Jeez, sounds like grounds for a lawsuit.

In Texas, the government has put a magnetic stripe on the back of a driver's license and State ID cards. The stripe can be scanned to verify the information on the front. Bars and clubs have scanners to check id's for the true age of the id holder. The idea of the magnetic stripe was that a police officer could scan the license and be told that you are a white male, brown hair, green eyes, 180 pounds, 5 feet ten inches tall. If someone has altered the photo on the front of the license the scanner will tell the police what the original owner of the id looks like.

However, the magnetic tape could be used to store other information. Your blood type. Medicine that you are allergic to. Whether you are an organ donor. OR, whether you are considered a "bad driver", whether you have ever been arrested for drug possession, whether you are a member of the Democratic party or in some other way are "An Enemy of the State".

I had stopped carrying a drivers license when I was out taking a walk or riding my bike. A police officer appeared to have a stroke when I told him I do not carry an ID. He felt compelled to bounce me off his police car a few times to find out whether I was concealing an ID. So, now I find it "healthier" to carry an ID when I ride my bike.
Couple seconds with a wire wheel and a steady hand takes care of that magnetic strip. There's only one club in the area that uses the reader - and I don't go there. The clubs I DO go to I've been going to for years and have countless friends who can attest to who I am. The cops don't need the strip either - all they have to do is input the number and my smiling face comes up on the screen in their car (DL photo not a mug shot wise guys).

My take on the RFID? The government knows enough of my business they don't need to know my shopping habits and neither does Target or anybody else for that matter. My cat is chipped and that's the ONLY member of my family that's getting chipped.

What, are we robots now? This is ridiculas!

In Texas, the government has put a magnetic stripe on the back of a driver's license and State ID cards. The stripe can be scanned to verify the information on the front. Bars and clubs have scanners to check id's for the true age of the id holder. The idea of the magnetic stripe was that a police officer could scan the license and be told that you are a white male, brown hair, green eyes, 180 pounds, 5 feet ten inches tall. If someone has altered the photo on the front of the license the scanner will tell the police what the original owner of the id looks like.


Same in Ohio. My strip has a big gouge in it, and I doubt it can be read anymore. No chip for me; my SS number, phone numbers, etc. are on about every contract or form I ever have to fill out, not to mention that my movements through the city are picked up on various cameras all over the place. NOT that my movements can be tracked all the way from point A to point B, but that's only a matter of time. A chip is just going a bit (ok, a lot) too far...

I had stopped carrying a drivers license when I was out taking a walk or riding my bike. A police officer appeared to have a stroke when I told him I do not carry an ID. He felt compelled to bounce me off his police car a few times to find out whether I was concealing an ID. So, now I find it "healthier" to carry an ID when I ride my bike.

Makes one wonder what the actual circumstances were. What was the whole story here?

Makes one wonder what the actual circumstances were. What was the whole story here?

As if any explanation could excuse such behavior. sheesh

Dave

As if any explanation could excuse such behavior. sheesh

Dave

I know, I've never been treated like that, just trying to understand the scenario....

I know, I've never been treated like that, just trying to understand the scenario....

Well FXjohn, as a long time Houstonian I could fill you in on a lot of things that HPD is fairly infamous for. Historically HPD and KKK were synonimous but that's gotten better, but in the past there have been "experiments" in the swimming ability of handcuffed illegal aliens in Buffalo Bayou, Teenagers shot and throw down weapons provided (When an officer was caught there was a little poem circulated amoung the cops that went "You'll have no fun if you throw down a traceable gun. For a happier life throw down a knife.). Some incidents where several officers were involved in shooting individuals wielding broken bottles (not traceable I guess), and recently a car full of off duty officers in a private car gunned down a middle aged black woman under questionable circumstances.

I'm not saying that the entire department is out of control and we all live in abject terror here. There are lots of good hard working cops trying to do a good job and make a positive difference amoung an ungratful populous and unapreciative co-workers, but the fact remains you just don't want to mess with HPD.

Implanted ID verses jewelery verses an ID card...

While implanted sounds like great idea... and no doubt your dog or cat benefits from it; jewelery (ID bracelet) and ID card allow that I, the owner of my identity, have the right to surrender that identity information only to those whom I deem safe to do so.

If implanted, no telling who, what, and where the readers of said RFID type devices will be in the future.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you...

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you...

What??!! Whose after me??!! :eek:

Koffee

if they ever require or imply in some manner that people should have a tag of some sort implanted into them i'm gonna start a militia. i'll even allow women and minorities into it! :D


yess.. the merton militia... fighter for freedom and other things that will come and go with the militia's whims.


yesssssss... :D

Are we not organic

what does being organic have to do with ths id?

We are organic so why do we need chips in us.............well except for corn chips

My bracelet should be enough in an emergency. We're spied on enough by the gubbermint, we don't need to give them the abilty to track us like a lost dog.

As if any explanation could excuse such behavior. sheesh

Dave

Dave; I'm wasn't present when this person got bashed around for not having ID; yes, there are a few bad cops but most are good...very good, and they'll put their lives in front of you to protect you. Sometimes though people are told by the cops to do something and they fail to comply and become belligerent. For these types the only thing they understand is rough behavior, their not going to suddenly become law abiding citizens because you asked "please" in your sweatest voice.

So HuffyPuffy, what do you think of this little chip? would you go get one? The United States is going to have a difficult time getting a rather large group of people to get these chips and could cause a civil rift in the US. So they are trying to pass off the chip as a medical aide, problem is the company that made this chip is the same company that got Argentina to become the first country in the world to use the chip in place of cash and cards due to the high crime there; and are in the process if gearing up to install the chips in everyone...as a "test" program. So maybe Rev 13:16 & 17 is not far fetched afterall.

So what in a nutshell does Rev 13:16 & 17 mean? "And it was given to him to give breath (the greek word for breath here is pneuma) to the image of the wild beast." This is going to be a different kind of idol-an imposter with false wonders, false miracles or lying wonders (2 Thess 2:9) that deceive many. Isaiah and all the prophets mention the fact that idols cannot speak. Paul also mentions it. But here is an idol that will speak. I think they will call all the scientists of the world to look at this image. The scientist will give a report that they cannot understand it, they cannot explain it, and that it is a miracle. This is something that will cause the whole world to turn and worship the beast. The beast will now wed religion and business, for you will have to have the mark of the beast to do business. In John's day soldiers were branded by their commanders, slaves were branded by their masters, and those attached to certain pagan temples were branded by the mark of the god or goddess whom the served. Ptolemy Philopater had all Jews in Alexandria marked with the ivy leaf, whcih was the symbol of Dionysus. In our day a newspaper columnist who wrote an artical entitled, "Living by the Numbers," deplored the fact that we carry so many different cards in our wallets and concluded with this paragraph:

"It would simplify matters if the government would assign each of us a single all-purpose number, which we could have tattooed across the forehead to spare us the trouble of carrying all these cards."

Don't misunderstand me; this is not the fulfillment of prophecy, but it sure shows how prohecy can come to pass. So what is the mark of the Beast? It is not given us to know; we are not told, but that has not kept many expositors from telling us what it is! But according to biblical numerology, a man's number is 6; the 6 indicates incompleteness. The number of the Beast System is three 6's (666) which means the system is incomplete and will eventually fail because it's very destructive and imperfect. The beast system will be mostly successful in the European/Mediterranean area; since the Arabs reject the system and survice, I am convinced many other nations also survive the 7 year tribulation period.

Of course according to Rev 14:9-11; anyone who chose's to get this mark cannot have salvation.

But today we all laugh the bible off as wonderful fiction, funny thing though, all of the Old Testament prophesies concerning Christ were fulfilled, all the feasts and all the tabernacle stuff was relating to Christ, Christ whole family line was traced LONG before Christ came. But we think it's all fiction. The more lawless a nation becomes, the further it drifts from the bible, and the further it drifts from the bible the closer it drifts to disappearing into history.

Makes one wonder what the actual circumstances were. What was the whole story here?

The whole story? Most neighborhoods in Houston don't have a functioning sidewalk network. One block might have sidewalks, and the next block won't. Combined with the heat...people in Houston will drive their car to visit someone two blocks from home. Walking at night is "per se", a suspicious activity in Houston, according to the police.

I was taking a walk around midnight. Something I do several times a week. The police stopped me, and wanted me to explain WHY I was taking a walk...WHERE was I coming from...WHERE was I going. AND, they demanded ID.

My answers were: "Taking a walk...none of your business...none of your business...I don't carry an ID..." My tone was civil, because I know what Houston area police are like. Unhappy with my answers, the police began to remind me why Texas can sometimes be an unpleasant place to live.

I was lucky...no serious injuries. An hispanic immigrant in Houston was caught walking at night by the police. They took him to the river, handcuffed him, and sent him for swimming lessons. The standard HPD reason for stopping and searching Black men in Houston is that "they were walking in the street where a sidewalk was available"...the "catch" being that inner city sidewalks may be "available", but their condition often renders them unusable.

For a number of reasons, undocumented workers tend to carry their wages in cash in their pockets. On Friday nights, they are often pulled over by the police for "suspicion of DWI". The police then take their cash, knowing that an illegal immigrant can not file a complaint without risking deportation.

In Houston's immigrant neighborhoods, some bars have a backroom with girls who are ages 14 or 15, providing sexual services. The girls are sometimes prisoners, working off their debt to the "coyote" who brought them in from Mexico. The HPD "cantina squad" takes money from the cantina owners in exchange for "looking the other way".

HPD officers have a word for the officers who complain to Internal Affairs about brutality and corruption: "rats"...and Internal Affairs is called "The Rat Squad".

We don't have a "Mafia" in Houston, but we do have HPD.

Froze,

You raise valid questions. I will answer later this week, but don't have the time today as I have to prepare for a discussion of this very issue tomorrow morning.

Why are you "froze"? Are you have more of those 1 inch ice storms in the winter. You used to have the best timed lights down the main drags, you should be able to fly if you go those routes.

Huff

The whole story? Most neighborhoods in Houston don't have a functioning sidewalk network. One block might have sidewalks, and the next block won't. Combined with the heat...people in Houston will drive their car to visit someone two blocks from home. Walking at night is "per se", a suspicious activity in Houston, according to the police.

I was taking a walk around midnight. Something I do several times a week. The police stopped me, and wanted me to explain WHY I was taking a walk...WHERE was I coming from...WHERE was I going. AND, they demanded ID.

My answers were: "Taking a walk...none of your business...none of your business...I don't carry an ID..." My tone was civil, because I know what Houston area police are like. Unhappy with my answers, the police began to remind me why Texas can sometimes be an unpleasant place to live.

I was lucky...no serious injuries. An hispanic immigrant in Houston was caught walking at night by the police. They took him to the river, handcuffed him, and sent him for swimming lessons. The standard HPD reason for stopping and searching Black men in Houston is that "they were walking in the street where a sidewalk was available"...the "catch" being that inner city sidewalks may be "available", but their condition often renders them unusable.

For a number of reasons, undocumented workers tend to carry their wages in cash in their pockets. On Friday nights, they are often pulled over by the police for "suspicion of DWI". The police then take their cash, knowing that an illegal immigrant can not file a complaint without risking deportation.

In Houston's immigrant neighborhoods, some bars have a backroom with girls who are ages 14 or 15, providing sexual services. The girls are sometimes prisoners, working off their debt to the "coyote" who brought them in from Mexico. The HPD "cantina squad" takes money from the cantina owners in exchange for "looking the other way".

HPD officers have a word for the officers who complain to Internal Affairs about brutality and corruption: "rats"...and Internal Affairs is called "The Rat Squad".

We don't have a "Mafia" in Houston, but we do have HPD.

I probably wouldn't have said "none of your business"...that wasn't wise.
Nevertheless, it doesn't sound like a place I want to live at all.
I don't like cities anyway though for many of the reasons you mentioned.
A buddy of mine was in his own driveway after mountain biking to 7-11.
They pulled in and questioned him, said he "looked suspicious" LOL
He answered their questions and they left.
Sometimes that's just life.

perhaps yer friend was white... man... why are people so ****y? how do they ge that way?

Shades o' 1984 man.

Did you happen to notice how easily this passed the FDA under Bush's command!

"Medical reasons..." riiiiiiight.

Next thing you know, we'll be talking to each other through barbed wire. (Heard this on the Bob and Tom show this morning)

We aren't animals. Why do we need to be tagged like one? Besides that, I like the little privacy I actually do have. The last thing I need is for the government to be following my movements on a blip screen. No thanks.

Koffee

Yes we are animals... a mammal is still an animal. Just nitpicking. Im not paranoid of the government but I dont trust them at all. One of many examples is looking back to the 50's when the G-men would come and take "imbecilic" or even just "imbicelic looking" people away to have them "fixed" so they couldnt reproduce. Yeah, thats not stamping on an individuals rights. Didnt Hitler do something like that??
Anyway, I wear dog tags and since I am not allergic to any medicines thats good enough for me. The last thing you want is a chip coming loose and floating towards your brain pan.

Froze,
Why are you "froze"? Are you have more of those 1 inch ice storms in the winter. You used to have the best timed lights down the main drags, you should be able to fly if you go those routes.
Huff

Either I was given this nickname by lovely Princess Charlotte; or I'm am actually a time traveler (or traveller if your British) frozen in this spatial of time...maybe both?...hmm there is a clue there somewhere, but I'm not at liberty to tell.

Are you from around here Huffy? The main one way drags running in either direction on the compass through this town are indeed timed and timed quite well. But I have watched this cause problems for the locals, because they know their timed and you see these guys run the red because they know it's going to turn green, or I've seen guys anticipating the light to turn green and creep out into the intersection and will be half way into it and stopped before the light turns green. In fact about 2 weeks ago a long time well known cyclist was killed here due to anticipating the lights according to the police; he ran the red because he was timing the lights and a car from the opposite direction pushed the yellow. The local cyclists claim he couldn't see the light due to a large truck blocking the light. But I like the lights because you can just cruise all the way through town without stopping if you govern your speed right.

I'd go for the RFID chip if and only if I had full rights to erase its memory and I can choose what to store there. If my driver's license, ATM and credit card info could be stored on the chip (excluding my PIN numbers, of course) that would be wonderfully convenient: I could go shopping and not have to carry my wallet with me. I'd love the freedom. Heck, with an electronic entry system in the home, the RFID could eliminate the need to carry keys. I'd go for that too.

I'd go for the RFID chip if and only if I had full rights to erase its memory and I can choose what to store there. If my driver's license, ATM and credit card info could be stored on the chip (excluding my PIN numbers, of course) that would be wonderfully convenient: I could go shopping and not have to carry my wallet with me. I'd love the freedom. Heck, with an electronic entry system in the home, the RFID could eliminate the need to carry keys. I'd go for that too.
That's the whole thing, the chip would be readable by anybody with a scanner.

Either I was given this nickname by lovely Princess Charlotte; or I'm am actually a time traveler (or traveller if your British) frozen in this spatial of time...maybe both?...hmm there is a clue there somewhere, but I'm not at liberty to tell. Dare we say IceMaiden? ;-)


Are you from around here Huffy? The main one way drags running in either direction on the compass through this town are indeed timed and timed quite well.
Not any more, I worked at the GE plant for 2 years and quickly learned A- go too fast you have to stop for red lights, B- go too slow and you have to stop for red light, C- go about 2MPH below the limit and you'll catch all green. Way cool. I've been many places but haven't seen such a well timed system on any other roads.

Yes, there are always dummies and people who should be required to take Defensive driving/motorcycling/biking courses but get creamed instead.

For a winter wonderland beauty there is nothing like a drive at night on 1"+ of ice thru Ft Wayne. Just a few harty souls taking in the scenery, a smitchen of police and drunks hitting the curbs.

Huff

This could be adapted for use as ID, can be scanned by paramedics or hospital/Doctor surgery staff, and have instant contact details, name, medical problems etc etc in case of accident or medical collapse.

yea?

http://www.clubplanet.com/content/article.asp?i=507&t=14

There are a lot of ways to get good customer service in a club. You could tip heavily. You could become a regular and ingratiate yourself with the staff. You could get your friends or roommates jobs as bartenders and then mooch off them all night.


Or, if you're feeling particularly bold, you could get a RFID chip implanted in your arm, giving you VIP status, a debit account for your drinks and just a little bit of 1984-style sci-fi paranoia.


RFID is a term you'll be hearing a lot about in the near future. It stands for Radio Frequency Identification, and it's basically new type of chip that is already being used in consumer products around the world. It will soon replace UPC codes and anti-theft devices in retail stores. Even better (or worse), it can track where products go, and who uses them -– raising the hackles of privacy advocates everywhere (think of the targeted advertising in films like Minority Report).


Instead of sticking a RDID tag in a pair of shoes or a DVD, one nightclub is using them to tag people. The Baja Beach Club in Barcelona, Spain is the first venue in the world to offer tagging to its VIP customers.


Why would you want even your favorite club to implant a tracking device in your arm? Users can be tagged as VIPs, giving staff immediate information on what their favorite drinks are, if they're worthy of entering the VIP section and even act as a debit account for drinks, negating the need to carry any actual cash around with you.


Conrad Chase, the American owner of the Baja Beach Club told Sync magazine, "This technology will work on a global level; it will destroy the need to carry ID documents and credit cards."


A BBC producer went through the procedure. He described the actual injection, saying, "[the nurse] held up the rather large needle containing the microchip and inserted it beneath the layer of skin and fat on my arm. She pressed the injector and it was in."


If you want to opt out of the system, the chip can be surgically removed at any point.


While the chip has not yet been approved for use in the U.S., RFID technology is making major inroads. One of the big growth areas is a similar kind of chip implant for pets -– enabling lost animals to be identified and returned to their owners. And it's only a small step from tagging your miniature poodle to signing up for a permanent tab at your favorite high-end hotspot.

RFID is a popular method for tagging containers, as well. Usually in the 430Mhz spectrum if it is a transponder. My cats are tagged. :) They have a small chip under their skin on the backs of their necks and if scanned, they produce a serial number which can be looked up online. ^_^;

Dare we say IceMaiden? ;-)


Not any more, I worked at the GE plant for 2 years and quickly learned A- go too fast you have to stop for red lights, B- go too slow and you have to stop for red light, C- go about 2MPH below the limit and you'll catch all green. Way cool. I've been many places but haven't seen such a well timed system on any other roads.

Yes, there are always dummies and people who should be required to take Defensive driving/motorcycling/biking courses but get creamed instead.

For a winter wonderland beauty there is nothing like a drive at night on 1"+ of ice thru Ft Wayne. Just a few harty souls taking in the scenery, a smitchen of police and drunks hitting the curbs.

Huff

Look out for the bumpy brick streets over by the GE plant.
I used to like eating at the little GE bowling alley when I worked there.
Let's see. what would your route be?
South wayne to Creighton, to Broadway?
OOPs thought i was responding to Froze, he lived over by Taylor U

That's the whole thing, the chip would be readable by anybody with a scanner.

Man, you burst my bubble. I was looking forward to the day when you can travel without carrying keys and credit cards. They'd have to come up with a secure encryption scheme before RFID skin-chips would be widely accepted for use as house keys, credit cards, etc. If there's a market for it, they'll find a way. Money is the mother of invention.

Man, you burst my bubble. I was looking forward to the day when you can travel without carrying keys and credit cards. They'd have to come up with a secure encryption scheme before RFID skin-chips would be widely accepted for use as house keys, credit cards, etc. If there's a market for it, they'll find a way. Money is the mother of invention.There's really no such thing as unbreakable encryption either. As you said, "if there's a market, they'll find a way".

G-men would come and take "imbecilic" or even just "imbicelic looking" people away to have them "fixed" so they couldnt reproduce. Yeah, thats not stamping on an individuals rights. Didnt Hitler do something like that??


http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

"Eugenics and America's campaign to create a master race"

yeah. i heard they kept calling black people imbecilic and nutering them. this went back to like the teen-30's too, i think.



man... people just have weird minds...O_o

Look out for the bumpy brick streets over by the GE plant.
IU

I have yet to have the pleasure of riding my bike on a brick street...not sure if I want to! There still are many streets around this town that are still brick. You know what amazes me, is that these brick roads were built in the early 1900's and their still usable streets! When blacktop, the modern method, last maybe 5 years if your lucky. Seems it would be cheaper over the long run to build streets out of brick again. But I don't know anything about road building so maybe I'm missing something here.

I live in one of those old brick homes (restored) by Taylor U surrounded by other mostly brick homes, close to where the president of Taylor lives. It's a house we always wanted to have but in California would have cost us in Santa Barbara (where we lived for 15 years) 1.5 to 2.5 million, in Bakersfield (where we lived for 8 years) it would have cost $600,000 and maybe more. We owned a house in California when we had to move here so when I sold it for a profit I paid cash for this house with no payment. Of course I know about the tax problem so we took loans for a couple of rentals to avoid that without using our house as security. I wanted the house we live in to be completely paid for (my own weird reasons).

So you guys that use to live around here have a pretty good idea where I live now.

Its too late, the govt. has already put chips in all of us... now its just a matter of time before they close in!! thats it, I am outta here!

Thanks PainTrain



http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

"Eugenics and America's campaign to create a master race"

There's really no such thing as unbreakable encryption either. As you said, "if there's a market, they'll find a way".

Unbreakable is a very strong word, but yes, there are effectively unbreakable encryption technologies out there. The development of real quantum computers may change this in a few hundred years, but we are safe for quite some time.

The whole RFID thing is blown out of proportion by techno-libertarians and religious zealots-- don't even get me started on the "mark of the beast" madness.

I would be more than glad to lose my wallet and keys and replace them with an implanted RFID chip and a few pin numbers. I couldn't care less about being tracked by "the government"-- what, like I have something to hide?

Its too late, the govt. has already put chips in all of us... now its just a matter of time before they close in!! thats it, I am outta here!

That's why they want to see all Americans get flu shots because they put the microchip in the flu vaccine, and that's why the run short on the vaccine because not enough chips to go around!!! :eek:

That's why they want to see all Americans get flu shots because they put the microchip in the flu vaccine, and that's why the run short on the vaccine because not enough chips to go around!!! :eek:

Hey, thanks! I wasn't paranoid enough today. ;)