Mountain Biking - FLAT OUT( known to none MTBkers as powerslide) is not bad for trail

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/13396-Do-you-drift(-power-slide)

No need for explaination.

see for yourself
watch ANY mountain bike Movies

I am not going to start with this, but seriously, the mountain bike scene has recently been dominated by Freeriders. And if you tell a freerider to not slide, he will tell you to go f yourself.

Do you build or maintain trails?

I don't honestly. I am hardly interested for now. I know trailbuilding is common for xc riders in local scene, but you may not know, freeriders also build. They build more. They rip even more. I have trailbuilding friends in the XC scene, and they warned me not to rip trails. I would not want to hurt their feelings, but i figure i should let some truth be heard.

hold on brah, I gotta get a Red Bull outta the fridge.

So with your lack of trail building/maintaining experience, how are you qualified to comment on what is good and what isn't good for trails?

well you got me there...but enlight me if you please with some real sense, not those people that don't know how to powerslide.

all i am saying is, i do powerslide, and no matter it's good or not for the trail, it's not much of a big issue and pro riders do it all the time.

I am pretty sick with people not in the MTB scene going against MTB for this ****ty reason or that lame law.

I am also sick of watching people who don't know nothing about MTB talk about powerslide, defining it, regulating it, warning people the danger of it, when they have not even tried doing it and feel the fun.

I can't believe some people try to talk people out of doing that, and with a lack of real appealing reason, say that it's going to slow rider down...........

What kind of R tard think flat out will slow down cornering.....

Seriously if you don't dig or maintain something, really should not comment on stuff like this. Powersliding is fun when done right and in the right situation.

aight,...i know, be low profile, be a good citizen,

if it's about nature, there is no such thing as law or society to nature, the whole darn human culture is destroying the nature everyday...

It's all about the rights of different people...

it's pathetic,,people are so narrow minded...
i guess i am too

all the human being care about is what's good for themselves and they call it LAW, TRUTH..or JESUS

I'm on the executive committee for a group that maintains freeride and DH trails. Anytime your tires are sliding you'll cause some degree of trail wear. Most of our builders are aware of it, build accordingly, and on our trail maintenance days, extra trail love gets put to those areas.

The problem is too many people drag their rear tire in the corners or drop/jump landings and that causes a lot of wear or brake bumps.

lyrill, you're so hardcore!
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there are many ways you don't use this skill, it's basically rarely used by XC riders and they don't like people using it to harm their organization's social acceptance--------------this is the truth
It's more used by avid trail riders with some DH/FR background or style. Which i am.

Currently i have not ripped anything in the dirt other than some loose leaves. I have been training my skills in the snow all winter on this skill.

oh that's great to hear....YEAH...LUCKY I was not on such a team...but giving love is definitely good thing. You guys rock and those XC trailbuilders SUCK

You guys rock and those XC trailbuilders SUCK

You should probably stick to ski resorts in the summer if that's how you feel about volunteer trail builders.

I'm involved in the building and maintaining of a pumptrack here in NJ, that is hopefully going to be adding in a dedicated DJ line, and a slalom course.

Right now trying to figure out if a dirt taco can be built.

We have a few guys in our group that maintains some XC trails as well and I don't think they suck. The XC trails are awesome when you want to pedal up to hit the DH trails, rather than shuttle. And our guys design them so they are fun to rip down on either a small or big bike.

Did you forget to take your meds today?

OKOKOKOK i may join my local MTB chapter and try some trailbuild days, but it's below freezing in this time of year now..gotta wait

pump track is too DJ/SS oriented.,,,
speaking of big mountain riding, i hope more people just go rip some big mountain lines and not some man made trails

We have a few guys in our group that maintains some XC trails as well and I don't think they suck. The XC trails are awesome when you want to pedal up to hit the DH trails, rather than shuttle. And our guys design them so they are fun to rip down on either a small or big bike.

Did you forget to take your meds today?


The thing is , you are trying to mix concepts up....i am not talking about your xc builders..i am reffering to those that yells "no ripping on trails"

talk to you guys later..gotta rest..thanks for the comments

We're under a bunch of snow but this is a good time of year to do some building...clearing, prepping for jumps and other trail features, etc. Some you may have opportunities where ever you are...ask around at your local groups.

pump track is too DJ/SS oriented.,,,
speaking of big mountain riding, i hope more people just go rip some big mountain lines and not some man made trails

How so?

One of the regulars that rides the place uses an Intense Tracer(AM bike) on the track. Seen people ride there with bmx bikes, xc bike(26 AND 29.) It's actually a great skills builder.

The thing is , you are trying to mix concepts up....i am not talking about your xc builders..i am reffering to those that yells "no ripping on trails"

Well stop generalizing and it won't be an issue.

Well stop generalizing and it won't be an issue.

Is that going to be possible?

How so?

One of the regulars that rides the place uses an Intense Tracer(AM bike) on the track. Seen people ride there with bmx bikes, xc bike(26 AND 29.) It's actually a great skills builder.

Pump track is an awesome place to work on your skills, especially cornering and maintaining speed. Those skills are very important on the trails.

pump track is definitely friendly, but what kind of skill do you think it builds??? Body movement? You can get all the exp you want by just riding the trails you ride, it's not like it's some experiment that needs testing...for christ sake

Pump track for ss dj riders are just basic training on pumping and keeping momentum. They want to get airborne, do tricks, show off...they need momentum

But where you get your cranks to pedal down a hill or up, these ss/dj things are totally irrelevant

cornering as i said before, i try to slide as much as i can to maintain speed..even if there is berm
I am totally not happy with the whole manmade thing...I know it's a way to make things happens, but i just want MTB scene to be purely big mountain ranges ripping down from the top through the woods...

For trail building, i think it's gone off the original purpose--open up a path...

now it's not opening path, it's totally drawing pictures in the woods....which is totally not necessary....

I am starting to think why when shooting down a hill , switchback, ripping is not considered fun for xc guys

Go to a pump track and practice, then you'll understand.

Pump track is an awesome place to work on your skills, especially cornering and maintaining speed. Those skills are very important on the trails.

It may be useful, i'll see..i have 3 pump tracks around my area....

pump track is definitely friendly, but what kind of skill do you think it builds??? Body movement? You can get all the exp you want by just riding the trails you ride, it's not like it's some experiment that needs testing...for christ sake

Pump track for ss dj riders are just basic training on pumping and keeping momentum. They want to get airborne, do tricks, show off...they need momentum

But where you get your cranks to pedal down a hill or up, these ss/dj things are totally irrelevant

This is where you fail. Getting air is for dirt jumps, a pumptrack, unless it is built as a pump/jump, you're not supposed to jump on. As was said by never, it makes a person better at cornering and with keeping momentum. Do yourself a favor and go ride some good, fun tech singletrack, see if you generally ride a bit more cautiously. Then go spend time on a pumptrack, after a considerable amount of time riding at the pumptrack, go back to that piece of singletrack and see if it comes to you easier than before.

cornering as i said before, i try to slide as much as i can to maintain speed..even if there is berm
I am totally not happy with the whole manmade thing...I know it's a way to make things happens, but i just want MTB scene to be purely big mountain ranges ripping down from the top through the woods...

For trail building, i think it's gone off the original purpose--open up a path...

now it's not opening path, it's totally drawing pictures in the woods....which is totally not necessary....

I am starting to think why when shooting down a hill , switchback, ripping is not considered fun for xc guys
Not sure where you happen to live, but if you are say "ripping" or "powersliding" a turn in Idaho mountains you had better hope your not on BLM land or on any protected land.

So, basically, you haven't figured out how to corner and keep some speed up without skidding.

Got it.