Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - The new standard in Girth!

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Lilcphoto
03-06-11, 07:34 PM
http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2010/09/20/1284973284987-194jgz9akzhin-950-75.jpg

Deda's bars and stems even more oversized for 2011

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2010/09/20/1284973423545-77gfboyzpm8w-500-90-500-70.jpg


But isn't 35mm too big, you say? (http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/dedas-bars-and-stems-even-more-oversized-for-2011-27825?CPN=RSS&SOURCE=BRGENHOME)


PlattsVegas
03-06-11, 07:39 PM
Why?

muckymucky
03-06-11, 07:42 PM
what was wrong with the moment of inertia in 31.8?


Hothead286
03-06-11, 07:49 PM
I'm sure they have their reasons...

clink83
03-06-11, 07:54 PM
What about the pro handlebars from Shimano? http://mrobinsoncycling.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/17329_1_zoom1.jpg
I got a pair..the super thick top section is nice for someone with large hands. The only downside is bartape tends to be too short.

As for why, a larger OD bar can be stiffer with thinner tubes, keeping them reasonably light. Roadies want to channel Mark Cavendish after all.

xkillemallx16
03-06-11, 08:30 PM
this news was so 2010.

Chad1376
03-06-11, 08:33 PM
Would the warranty be void if I crossed the tape limit?:rolleyes:

Also - seems it has a Herbie theme going on.

http://fedgeno.com/images/misc/herbie.jpghttp://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2010/09/20/1284973284987-194jgz9akzhin-950-75.jpg

gitarzan
03-06-11, 08:35 PM
Why the tape line? Are they afraid someone might cover up the logo?

Squirrelli
03-06-11, 08:38 PM
As for why, a larger OD bar can be stiffer with thinner tubes, keeping them reasonably light.
Like seatposts.

hairnet
03-06-11, 08:42 PM
I just need a bar that's 2 inches in diameter. I can't keep up using these small people's bars

jondaviseffect
03-06-11, 09:35 PM
That's what she said?

Leukybear
03-06-11, 09:51 PM
The only fault I see here is the outlandish clamp diameter.... as the 3T ergonova bars on my roadie have widths ranging from 38 to 44cm.

NikZak
03-06-11, 11:57 PM
this is getting ridiculous, how can a larger diameter bar be lighter than a comparable length bar of the same shape and material construction with a narrower bar diameter

no matter how thin you get the material, the larger diameter will always weigh more because there is only so thin you can go before simply leaning the bike against a wall bends the handlebars

Squirrelli
03-07-11, 03:03 AM
no matter how thin you get the material, the larger diameter will always weigh more because there is only so thin you can go before simply leaning the bike against a wall bends the handlebars
Look at this chart over at Thomson (http://bikethomson.com/products/seatposts/elite/).

27.2 dia. x 410 mm 289 g
30.9 dia. x 410 mm 263 g
31.6 dia. x 410 mm 247 g

This is because most seatposts are ovalized, like butting, it is thicker at the higher stress area and this principle is the same when it's applied to handlebars.

Butting is your friend, my friend.

XC riders use larger diameter seatposts because they are much stronger than the seatposts of a smaller size, and lighter at the same time.

I don't think the trend will catch on, though. Unless UCI changes their weight limit rule, riders will continue to use the slightly heavier bars and seatposts because they are just dead weight. Then again, they could shave off more weight with new wheels/tires/spokes etc.

Scrodzilla
03-07-11, 06:31 AM
First disposable razors all had one blade, then two became the new standard. Now some of them have FIVE. Are they really going to keep going? I'll start shaving when I can buy a Gilette razor with 10 blades that has a head the size of an iPod.

As for the clamp on my bars, I want 62mm or nothing.

Lilcphoto
03-07-11, 09:25 AM
First disposable razors all had one blade, then two became the new standard. Now some of them have FIVE. Are they really going to keep going? I'll start shaving when I can buy a Gilette razor with 10 blades that has a head the size of an iPod.

As for the clamp on my bars, I want 62mm or nothing.

+1

adriano
03-07-11, 09:26 AM
im hopeful that this wont catch on.

craigcraigcraig
03-07-11, 10:03 AM
likely much more comfortable on the hands having a larger surface area to rest on, if you ride the tops. Also they are not as ugly as the drops with flat tops.

TejanoTrackie
03-07-11, 10:16 AM
likely much more comfortable on the hands having a larger surface area to rest on, if you ride the tops. Also they are not as ugly as the drops with flat tops.

Problem is you can't tape the tops, at least according to Deda, so you have to rely on padded gloves instead. Also, grip won't be as good. Anyways, I mostly ride on the brake hoods or drops, so it matters little to me how the tops are shaped.

Scrodzilla
03-07-11, 10:30 AM
What's actually preventing someone from taping the tops?

craigcraigcraig
03-07-11, 10:36 AM
What's actually preventing someone from taping the tops?

materialism.

veganeric
03-07-11, 12:35 PM
Even so, some riders will prefer the additional grip and cushioning of bar tape, and the extra stiffness could prove too punishing for slighter riders or on rough roads. However, this is just the sort of thing that should appeal to sprinters.
Even 31.8 alloy bars are rough if they don't taper down right after the clamp. I wouldn't even consider riding a 35mm bar on the road.

Robofunc
03-07-11, 04:23 PM
I'm sure they have their reasons...

Yes--selling bars and stems.

NateRod
03-07-11, 04:26 PM
What's actually preventing someone from taping the tops?
it's probably impossible, cause not enough tape in the world to cover these up.

rustybrown
03-07-11, 04:49 PM
My masculinity and ego have been bruised by these bars.

Hothead286
03-07-11, 05:15 PM
What's actually preventing someone from taping the tops?

Uh... The tape line.

Scrodzilla
03-07-11, 05:15 PM
Damnit!

bleedingapple
03-07-11, 10:28 PM
http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2010/09/20/1284973284987-194jgz9akzhin-950-75.jpg

Deda's bars and stems even more oversized for 2011

http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/news/2010/09/20/1284973423545-77gfboyzpm8w-500-90-500-70.jpg




greedy mother****ers!! and they will tell us its better for this and that reason... gahhh...

Lilcphoto
03-07-11, 10:38 PM
greedy mother****ers!! and they will tell us its better for this and that reason... gahhh...

I have to say I am already sold on the logo... I am surprised more companies don't have more attractive logo's like the 35's

xkillemallx16
03-07-11, 10:46 PM
31.8 bars + tape is probably just as thick as 35 without tape on the tops.

Leukybear
03-07-11, 10:49 PM
What's actually preventing someone from taping the tops?

I think that's where you start a new roll.

Robofunc
03-08-11, 12:16 AM
I have to say I am already sold on the logo... I am surprised more companies don't have more attractive logo's like the 35's

It looks like nothing special to me. Helvetica in a circle. Seems half-assed.

Scrodzilla
03-08-11, 07:14 AM
http://blogs.laweekly.com/stylecouncil/2011/01/11/helvetica.jpg

Lilcphoto
03-08-11, 08:23 AM
It looks like nothing special to me. Helvetica in a circle. Seems half-assed.

It's just the color scheme, the way its designed... Comparing it to other bars, I have yet to find one that makes me feel as good as that one does... Kind of dissapoints me that the Zero100 bars look soo 90's

http://spitest.altervista.org/joomdeda/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/ZER0100_4d59496d26ba9.jpg

M_S
03-08-11, 09:30 AM
Yo they'd look hella nice with sum red track grips on my Leader.

adriano
03-08-11, 03:31 PM
ill be bummed if this supplants 31.8. its like when dvds went obsolete.

Scrodzilla
03-08-11, 03:38 PM
dvds are obsolete?

adriano
03-08-11, 03:41 PM
i doubted blurays when they came out, but now i can easily tell the difference. it makes me sad.

TejanoTrackie
03-08-11, 03:44 PM
I'm still using VCR tapes.

silver_ghost
03-08-11, 03:48 PM
I'm still using VCR tapes.

Yeah, and 26.0 bars.

Burn!

Scrodzilla
03-08-11, 03:49 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a bluray movie and don't watch enough TV to give a crap about HD.

adriano
03-08-11, 04:04 PM
im a huge betamax aficionado.

Scrodzilla
03-08-11, 04:06 PM
Actually, I have a crazy uncle (legit crazy) that bought absurd amounts of betamax tapes and players when they were on their way out. He would go around buying out stores' entire stock and still has boxes upon boxes of them in his garage.

adriano
03-08-11, 04:09 PM
somewhere else, theres a guy sitting on a ton of 26.4mm clamp gear.

531phile
03-09-11, 12:56 AM
This thread reminds me of that one scene in Happiness where the dad explains to his son that it's the girth and not the length that matters.

Leukybear
03-09-11, 01:00 AM
This thread reminds me of that one scene in Happiness where the dad explains to his son that it's the girth and not the length that matters.

Aha a chode! :roflmao2:

hairnet
03-09-11, 01:20 AM
Yeah, and 26.0 bars.

Burn!

You know you can get carbon in 26.0, it isn't quite obsolete yet.
25.4 would be more analogous to VCR

clink83
03-09-11, 10:09 PM
this is getting ridiculous, how can a larger diameter bar be lighter than a comparable length bar of the same shape and material construction with a narrower bar diameter

no matter how thin you get the material, the larger diameter will always weigh more because there is only so thin you can go before simply leaning the bike against a wall bends the handlebars
Eh, not quite. The stiffness of a round bar increases exponentially as it gets larger, so you end up with large tubes with thin walls, which are lighter and stiffer. It's the same principle that gives you Al frames that are lighter and stiffer than steel frames, despite being 2x softer. The smaller diameter bars have to have thicker walls, because they are weaker and Al is such a soft metal.

Leukybear
03-09-11, 10:18 PM
im a huge betamax aficionado.

HD DVD aswell?

adriano
03-10-11, 03:33 AM
http://gochitchat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/aw-hell-naw.jpg