Classic & Vintage - Campagnolo: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

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Sorry, missing the issue. Aero seatposts

That's good for people like me who can't afford Chorus.:thumb:

Campy...post Super Record era mostly.

Huh?

That's good for people like me who can't afford Chorus.:thumb:

Waddya mean? The one on the right might be Chorus. Or is it Athena? I think the left is Triomphe or Victory. I'm so confused!

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Why should Campy be diff.

I don't get it either, yes the one on the right is certainly a better model so what. shimano is all the same stuff under the fancy coloring.

Waddya mean? The one on the right might be Chorus. Or is it Athena? I think the left is Triomphe or Victory. I'm so confused!

No matter; the two bolt posts were the last good ones anyway.

???

The one one the right will generally have better/more polishing on the backside and will have nicer hardware...???

Well if my campy serves me correct, the chorus seatpost is a replica of the Corsa Record seatpost, sans the word chorus at the base.

I think the one on the left is the better post......

I think the one on the left is the better post......

Thanks, I have the one on the left. I owe you one.

What difference does a seatpost make? I just want mine to hold my seat up. Can someone explain this to me?

You people need to buy a sense of humor! It's sometimes difficult to differentiate the model levels of Campagnolo components, especially from the late 80's to mid 90's, at least for the uninitiated. Even the early stuff is sometimes difficult to pin down. Haven't you been reading the forum? :P

The post on the left is suitable to the Triomphe and Victory groups - both as introduced and in the later Triomphe S3 and Victory S3 incarnations - plus 1987-1990/1 Chorus, Athena, and Croce D'Aune.

The right post is applicable to 1991/2 Chorus RS and 1993-1994 Chorus.

There is absolutely no functional difference between either of these posts; the only difference is the engraved ring and step below the tapered aero section of each post. Both are roughly equal in Campagnolo's overall hierarchy. Similar posts include C-Record ("Record" after 1991), which used the same bolt mounting as Super Record; and Athena/Athena RS, which is identical to Chorus with exception to a much larger upper rail clamp. Neither are shown in the above photographs.

-Kurt

Not enough resolution on my screen to see any difference.
Probably not enough resolution in my butt to feel any difference.

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Did he get disqualified for falling under the UCI weight limit?

Did he get disqualified for falling under the UCI weight limit?

That saddle weighed less than his fart.

What difference does a seatpost make? I just want mine to hold my seat up. Can someone explain this to me?

How well it holds angle, how finely the angle can be adjusted, how much saddle setback it allows, whether it places undue stress on the saddle rails, weight, beauty, polish, ... need more?

You people need to buy a sense of humor! It's sometimes difficult to differentiate the model levels of Campagnolo components, especially from the late 80's to mid 90's, at least for the uninitiated. Even the early stuff is sometimes difficult to pin down. Haven't you been reading the forum? :P

Campy isn't even on my radar.

How well it holds angle, how finely the angle can be adjusted, how much saddle setback it allows, whether it places undue stress on the saddle rails, weight, beauty, polish, ... need more?

"...how much of a pain it is to find parts for."

-Kurt

The one on the left is nearly identical to my Kosef, which is also made in Italy.
Campy must have copied it.:innocent:

The best thing about old Campy, around here, is it is whatever you say it is.
Outside of norskagent or roccobike, no rider I know would have a clue.

Including me.

Both are Record seatposts if they were on eBay.

What difference does a seatpost make? I just want mine to hold my seat up. Can someone explain this to me?
Explanation: Your arse must not be fancy enough for a fancy seatpost. BTW; I'm with you, the seatpost is the last thing I think about when building a bike. The stem is close.

Both are Record seatposts if they were on eBay.

More accurately, "Nuovo Super Corsa C-Record."

-Kurt

The post on the left is suitable to the Triomphe and Victory groups - both as introduced and in the later Triomphe S3 and Victory S3 incarnations - plus 1987-1990/1 Chorus, Athena, and Croce D'Aune.

The right post is applicable to 1991/2 Chorus RS and 1993-1994 Chorus.

There is absolutely no functional difference between either of these posts; the only difference is the engraved ring and step below the tapered aero section of each post. Both are roughly equal in Campagnolo's overall hierarchy. Similar posts include C-Record ("Record" after 1991), which used the same bolt mounting as Super Record; and Athena/Athena RS, which is identical to Chorus with exception to a much larger upper rail clamp. Neither are shown in the above photographs.

-Kurt

Kurt, sorry but this impresses me as an obsessive / compulsive moment. I occasionally (less so, thank God) get calls from potential (no way)clients who complain that the FBI has put listening devices in their brains.

Both are Record seatposts if they were on eBay.bingo

got one exactly like the ones pictured above in Hi-Po, made by Selcoff. Potato potato.

I must not be enough of a bike geek to get it. I thought the confusion was over the correct way to pronounce "Cam-pag-no-lo". Or "Cam-pa-nello". Or "Cam-pi-nella".

I agree with the title of the thread.

I must not be enough of a bike geek to get it. I thought the confusion was over the correct way to pronounce "Cam-pag-no-lo". Or "Cam-pa-nello". Or "Cam-pi-nella".

None of those. :D

Kurt, sorry but this impresses me as an obsessive / compulsive moment.

Campagnolo parts are - by nature - obsessive / compulsive.

-Kurt

There is absolutely no functional difference between either of these posts
-Kurt

yes, there is.

yes, there is.


Isn't the one with the ring around it has internal reinforcement.

yes, there is.

Do tell - they appear to have the same binder.

Unless the binder design has been revised, I don't consider them functionally different.

-Kurt

Cam pan YO lo.

If you like a fancy seatpost, please state your reasons. I am even known to use a straight seatpost with a seat clamp. Seat clamps are not microadjustable, but one of the notches is bound to be OK for me.

More accurately, "Nuovo Super Corsa C-Record."

-Kurt

You forgot to add "Super Rare!!"

You forgot to add "Super Rare!!"

Nuovo Super Corsa C-Rarecord.

-Kurt

Do tell - they appear to have the same binder.

Unless the binder design has been revised, I don't consider them functionally different.

-Kurt

Both post have 10 internal ribs. The left post with the badge has wider ribs and a revised binder bolt with a slightly chamfered head to prevent it from binding while being turned.

No matter; the two bolt posts were the last good ones anyway.

Yes, indeed. Sometimes a bear to adjust but they did not move after.
Over the years I have collected a couple of Supperleggera units. As light as a Super Record, but stealth. By the way I have only found them when not described correctly, those that are go for handsome sums.

Both post have 10 internal ribs. The left post with the badge has wider ribs and a revised binder bolt with a slightly chamfered head to prevent it from binding while being turned.

The left post has a badge? I thought both have the shield logo, and the one on the right has a ring. I've never seen those ribs though - will have to pull one of mine and look at it - but I've yet to find a no-ring Triomphe or Victory post (earliest incarnation) that doesn't have the chamfered bolt head.


Over the years I have collected a couple of Supperleggera units. As light as a Super Record, but stealth.

You mean the Superleggera Nuovo posts vs. the first-gen, two-bolt Supers, correct?

-Kurt

All right, Jim - explain this Victory post. Chamfered bolt, no ridges, no engraved ring.

http://www.jaysmarine.com/victory_post_1.jpg

http://www.jaysmarine.com/victory_post_2.jpg

http://www.jaysmarine.com/victory_post_3.jpg

-Kurt

Campy Triomphe & Victory seat posts had the aero profile and a single-bolt clamp that rode on a toothed platform (like the SR "Laprade"). The Record aero seat post had the same profile, but used the same single-bolt clamp with a smooth, angled slot system as the Super Record post.

All right, Jim - explain this Victory post. Chamfered bolt, no ridges, no engraved ring.
-Kurt

CLICK HERE FOR CLARIFICATION (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/727116-Campagnolo-Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot?p=12495618&viewfull=1#post12495618)

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Looking at the 2 posts it appears Cam peg no low made a running change to the casting and a running change to the bolt. As you can see the right posts bolt is squared oof which in turn lead to the post itself being nicked up and the right post has thinner ribs. Campy may have had an issue with crushed/bent posts which lead them to use igger ribs and they obviously realized the bolt head was a problem so they chamfered it.

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On the contrary. There's more that can be inferred out of these posts:

The post with the engraved ring (and minus the shield logo) was produced after the example with the shield logo (and w/o the engraved ring). Therefore, the chamfered bolt preceded the squared off design - and I feel safe in saying so, because I've yet to see a bike with Victory or Triomphe that doesn't have a chromed, chamfered bolt. I'm not surprised either, for the chamfer reduces the wall strength of the bolt, suggesting that the thicker bolt was a later improvement.

Furthermore, neither bolt is chromed on your posts, so we can safely assume that the strengthened post frame plus the inferior plating puts a later production date on these posts, in relation to my '85-87/8 Victory post. The thinner ridges inside suggest that Campagnolo figured out that they could lighten the post a bit without compromising the improved strength.

The logoless version probably had a laser-etched shield there at one time. Definitely post-1988.

-Kurt

FYI - my mistake on the origins of the post I photographed - it is part of a 1987 Triomphe S3 group. I confused it with another identical post of mine.

-Kurt

So, is it time for me to take the C-Record posts off my rain bike & trainer bike and list them on Ebay ?

You mean the Superleggera Nuovo posts vs. the first-gen, two-bolt Supers, correct?

-Kurt

Correct.