Classic & Vintage - First gen Dur Ace on ebay?!

Just went there to find a stray left side crank arm, and whoa! The prices are through the roof?? This makes me re-think the value of my Fuji Ace for sure. Is it really that hard to find?,,,,BD


http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=First+generation+Dura+ace&_sacat=See-All-Categories

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shimano-vintage-DURA-ACE-Crankset-First-Gen-Road-Bike-/190534761841?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Parts&hash=item2c5cc1bd71

Plus $22 Austrian shipping.

I think this is more then I can get for a complete bike with these on them. Well maybe more then 50% of what I could get for a complete bike.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc181/bridgethegap71/duraace%20crankset/IMG_7814.jpg

Just went there to find a stray left side crank arm, and whoa! The prices are through the roof?? This makes me re-think the value of my Fuji Ace for sure. Is it really that hard to find?,,,,BD


http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=First+generation+Dura+ace&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Your link shows what is for sale, not what has sold recently (http://completed.shop.ebay.com/Sporting-Goods-/382/i.html?LH_Complete=1&_trkparms=65%253A13%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1&rt=nc&_nkw=First+Dura+ace&_adv=1&_dmd=1&_fsct=&_in_kw=1&_ipg=50&_oexkw=&_okw=First+Dura+ace&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_udhi=&_udlo=&_sop=15&_sc=1).

I've got a first gen FD and shifters.. hmm that bike WOULD be better as a singlespeed...

Just went there to find a stray left side crank arm, and whoa! The prices are through the roof?? This makes me re-think the value of my Fuji Ace for sure. Is it really that hard to find?,,,,BD


http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=First+generation+Dura+ace&_sacat=See-All-Categories

The levers with decent hoods seem to command some steep prices or at least they did when I was looking. The prices on the cranksets are all over the place, I've seen them go cheap and really, really high.

Yes, your Ace certainly isn't worth what you paid for it. :D

Scott

Jeezum. You'd think that stuff had "Campagnolo" stamped on it. Things are getting out of hand. But, it has always been thus, I suppose.

Makes me feel good. I'm picking up a bike that's mostly black first gen DA.

Makes me feel good. I'm picking up a bike that's mostly black first gen DA.

I can't wait to hear more about that!

Scott

Time for me to part out an old black Dura-Ace bike I guess :innocent:

I can't wait to hear more about that!

Scott

We'll see if it pans out. I'm sure hoping it does.

Your link shows what is for sale, not what has sold recently (http://completed.shop.ebay.com/Sporting-Goods-/382/i.html?LH_Complete=1&_trkparms=65%253A13%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1&rt=nc&_nkw=First+Dura+ace&_adv=1&_dmd=1&_fsct=&_in_kw=1&_ipg=50&_oexkw=&_okw=First+Dura+ace&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_udhi=&_udlo=&_sop=15&_sc=1).

+1, BIN prices should be taken with a grain of salt and often do not reflect reality.

FWIW, there's also THIS. (http://cgi.ebay.com/TOP-VINTAGE-SHIMANO-DURA-ACE-GROUP-VGC-NOS-PARTS-/330571937223?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf79f75c7)

And though not DA, THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/Shimano-600-7-speed-road-bike-parts-group-build-kit-/260796649092?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb8b10e84) is a nice alternative if you are interested in fairly complete 600 group (with wheels).

Like others said, asking price is much different than *sold* price.

I just finished piecing together an early DA bike, mostly in black. Took a while but wasn't ridiculously expensive....(I mean, maybe because I took so long waiting for bargains). Campy NR stuff in pretty beat shape can sell for just as much, but if you want Shimano, you want Shimano :)

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff459/_supernate_/chance1.jpg

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff459/_supernate_/chance9.jpg

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff459/_supernate_/chance15.jpg

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff459/_supernate_/chance16.jpg

The levers with decent hoods seem to command some steep prices or at least they did when I was looking. The prices on the cranksets are all over the place, I've seen them go cheap and really, really high.

Yes, your Ace certainly isn't worth what you paid for it. :D

Scott

Try to find a set of 175 mm first generation Dura-Ace cranks... can you think C Record?

I bought a set of brakes and levers for about $25 a month ago. You can find deals on the stuff if you are patient.

If you are willing to wait you can get some amazing deals. I got a set of 600 Ultegra wheels with Araya rims for $10 because the seller misspelled "Araya" as "Alaya". The trick is not to search for things, but rather to patiently comb through the category listings until a good deal shows up.

I did a bit of referencing on ebay through the completed items using vintage dura ace. Interesting. Of note a NOS set of EX freehub, cassette front in the box went for just under $140. I bought mine on the 'bay a few years ago for much less, as with many other parts. SOme is the luck of the time, much more variation than with vintage Campagnolo from this quick look. but prices are trending up. And might climb faster, as there was less Dura Ace out there in the 70's and very early 80's.

The first gen DA is great stuff. You can save a little money by using a Crane rear derailleur in black.

The first gen DA is great stuff. You can save a little money by using a Crane rear derailleur in black.

True. I may be needing that spare of yours soon. Lol.

After having finished a Nuovo Gran Sport bicycle recently, I decided it would be my last. Another frame I planned N-GS for initially will get black ano Dura-Ace instead.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3434/5739334271_9e2832bfa6_b.jpg

I would like to see something about early Dura-Ace headsets clearified. This is the variation that is most often encountered >>>

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3603/3621421409_582fb47d39_z.jpg

It is the chromed model of which I untill not long ago thought it would be the 1st issue of the Dura-Ace headset. Also VeloBase lists it as 1st gen. However I now already have two identical steel headsets with Dura-Ace lock nuts, one in black, one is silver. They do not have the high gloss chromed finish. I would think they predate the above shown chromed example. Does anyone have more information on this?

The black example was fitted in Gazelle Champion Mondial AA with all black Dura-Ace including Crane mech. The silver one sat fitted in an early 70s RIH.

The headset I made mention of in my previous post >>>

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2067/5814367543_c7b9fca97b_z.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2565/5814936032_257f566a16_z.jpg

Not the same as in the green bike from post #19.

Mel, I restored this Puch last year. It had first generation Cyclone mechs, Mighty Tour crankset, Weinmann Carrera calipers, a Dura Ace headset and cable guides. Everything looked to be original to the bike. I believe the owner more or less chose parts and had the LBS switch many out.

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/100055/IMG_3058/web.jpg?ver=12814104840001

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/100055/IMG_3056/web.jpg?ver=12814104470001

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/100055/IMG_3049/web.jpg?ver=12814102990001

http://gallery.me.com/justinhughes/100055/IMG_3035/web.jpg?ver=12814099500001

The headset I made mention of in my previous post >>>

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2067/5814367543_c7b9fca97b_z.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2565/5814936032_257f566a16_z.jpg

Not the same as in the green bike from post #19.

That is the almost the first version of the Dura=Ace head set. the upper cup is a bit less chamfered than the lower. The early ones had the same chamfer top and bottom, and were heavy, also available in Black chrome. The more rounded one is what came with the EX edition, just before the EX they were chromed steel then the alloy with the concave nut faces. Later 600 units were alloy with wrench flats, they gave up on the concave. One problem with the Dura Ace headset was it had a bigger stack height that the Campagnolo, not good for conquest sales.

Okay, thanks. I am trying to understand. We have 3 variations now shown in this topic(in case steel):
1 - the headset in the babyblue RIH (I do have this variation also in black)
2 - the headset fitted in Colonel's Puch
3 - the headset in the green bike

2 and 3 differ in that Colonel's lower cup is slightly different than that of the green bike. The headset in the green bike counts as Dura-Ace EX specific (introduced in 1978)? Or was it initially also carried within the EX line? I would think the later, as the green (all original) Zebrakenko has Crane mech fitted and the brakes are also pre EX I think.

Colonel's headset (2) is earlier than 3?

1 is earlier than both 2 and 3?

1 is early, but there was an earlier one (not pictured here) with different chamfer for top and lower cup?

As soon as all clear I will add the variation in the RIH to VeloBase.

Like others said, asking price is much different than *sold* price.

I just finished piecing together an early DA bike, mostly in black. Took a while but wasn't ridiculously expensive....(I mean, maybe because I took so long waiting for bargains). Campy NR stuff in pretty beat shape can sell for just as much, but if you want Shimano, you want Shimano :)

Hmm... You may be in luck for your all black build...

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=205427&d=1307628327



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Okay, thanks. I am trying to understand. We have 3 variations now shown in this topic(in case steel):
1 - the headset in the babyblue RIH (I do have this variation also in black)
2 - the headset fitted in Colonel's Puch
3 - the headset in the green bike

2 and 3 differ in that Colonel's lower cup is slightly different than that of the green bike. The headset in the green bike counts as Dura-Ace EX specific (introduced in 1978)? Or was it initially also carried within the EX line? I would think the later, as the green (all original) Zebrakenko has Crane mech fitted and the brakes are also pre EX I think.

Colonel's headset (2) is earlier than 3?

1 is earlier than both 2 and 3?

1 is early, but there was an earlier one (not pictured here) with different chamfer for top and lower cup?

As soon as all clear I will add the variation in the RIH to VeloBase.

Yes, there is an earlier version than on the Blue RIH. Top cup matches the shape of the lower. Best chance to see one is on a Teledyne Titan frame, they were fitted with Dura-Ace headsets, ovrsized top tube cable clips and Shimano seat binder bolts.

Hmm... You may be in luck for your all black build...

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=205427&d=1307628327



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Borat: Very nice! How much?

My previous posting was for a item that was marked sold. This (http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bik/2430319578.html) is most likely not going to be sold. But
still this more then I can get for a bike in good condition with these cranks on it. Asking price $300.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5751382004_4ea4cd68c8_b.jpg

Yes, there is an earlier version than on the Blue RIH. Top cup matches the shape of the lower. Best chance to see one is on a Teledyne Titan frame, they were fitted with Dura-Ace headsets, ovrsized top tube cable clips and Shimano seat binder bolts.

Okay. I am sorry, I am a bit confused. Checked and rechecked the headset in my RIH. I understand the earliest had same chamfer, the 2nd earliest different. With my eyes I am not able to detect any difference in chamfer between lower and higher cup (...or am I looking at the wrong thing?:rolleyes:). I have the black chrome Dura-Ace headset here too now. It is identical to the headset in the babyblue RIH.

I sought for a pic of the earliest DA headset in a Teledyne frame. On Classic Rendezvous I found this picture showing a Teledyne frame with a DA headset, but this headset looks identical to that one in the RIH.

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/Teledyne/Teledyne_B-Guide_article_1.htm

Borat: Very nice! How much?


Trade for something?

Trade for something?

Sure. In search of anything?

I've added the headset variation to VeloBase, as well the entire RIH frame

http://www.velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=71276c9d-6049-47a8-a0c3-2b832b701794&Enum=111
http://www.velobase.com/Velos/ViewModel.aspx?ID=c30fd06e-6237-47ee-979c-7a559e90ceb3

Thanks for helping on the headset.