Commuting - VIDEO: Ticketed for not riding in the bike lane

For your information and amusement.


http://www.youtube.com/embed/bzE-IMaegzQ

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little movie about a ticket i got for riding my bike not in the bike lane
- Uploaded by caseyneistat on Jun 7, 2011

Link: http://youtu.be/bzE-IMaegzQ

That was an entertaining video

How messed up is that, and the best part the video shows why it is so jacked up to get a ticket. Very entertaining.

I'm confused...are you contending that you were riding in a lane, went out of the lane because there was an obstruction, and got ticketed for it...

or are you saying you were riding out of the lane in general because sometimes there are obstructions and ticketed for it, and are upset because it isn't illegal?

Legal or not...if you're able to ride in the lane, ride in the lane. Nothing in life is perfect...having a lane with some obstructions is better than having no lane at all. I'm wagering you weren't riding in the lane at all. I'm also extremely impressed with the cop for taking your rudeness and disrespect so well. If you have a problem with the ticket...you can fight it in court. Cops make mistakes, they aren't judges and they aren't usually legal experts. Court is the place to fight that.

PS...I'm assuming you are refunding the police and tax payers for any damage to the car you made while making your point? Personally, I'd have arrested you for disorderly conduct and reckless behavior for potentially interrupting traffic, property damage, possible injuries to others and anything else I can think of.

I like how the cyclist cut off most of the video which is his best evidence and then just typed in what he wants us to know about the conversation. Sounded like the cop began talking about a red light, did the cyclist decide to go on a red? Looks like a whiner that probably deserved a ticket for cycling unsafely and cries when he's called on it.

:lol: that was awesome.

Pretty insane that he got a ticket for that. The best part was the cop car in the bike lane at the end. Irony?

Right or wrong, I laughed when he started crashing into stuff.
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Right or wrong, I laughed when he started crashing into stuff.
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I did too...the part that doesn't take things seriously. It was pretty damned funny...inane or not.

I thought it was entertaining as well. As far as comments like the one further above that said that he should pay for any damages caused to the police car and that he should be arrested for disorderly conduct, I say grow up! If he get's arrested, then the cop should be arrested for parking there (on the bike lane). If any of us parked there we would have been ticketed! The police are NOT above the law! (they think they are but they are NOT)

I think the cop wanted to get a jump start on meeting his monthly quota and wrote the guy a ticket! End of story! He wanted to show the cyclist who's boss! He probably got pissed-off with the guy filming this all along too, so that didn't help

Yes...you're right. Deliberately crashing a bicycle into a car is just free expression and perfectly legal :rolleyes:

The bogus ticket completely justifies that behavior (as opposed to fighting it in court, calling the officer's supervisor, etc.).

It was funny, I'll give it that.

Deliberately crashing his bike into the car is correct. He is demonstrating just that! His argument is that he had NO other choice since he was ticketed earlier when he went out of the bike lane! So in that sense, he had to crash against the car. Of course he could have stopped, but we all know he is trying to make a point. Just imagine stopping your car for no reason on an expressway and someone rear-ends you... Why in the world would it be their fault when you should not have stopped there?

In any case, I think the cop would better use his time by writing tickets to cab drivers that do whatever they feel like, than to a guy on a bike!

Deliberately crashing his bike into the car is correct. He is demonstrating just that! His argument is that he had NO other choice since he was ticketed earlier when he went out of the bike lane! So in that sense, he had to crash against the car. Of course he could have stopped, but we all know he is trying to make a point. Just imagine stopping your car for no reason on an expressway and someone rear-ends you... Why in the world would it be their fault when you should not have stopped there?

In any case, I think the cop would better use his time by writing tickets to cab drivers that do whatever they feel like, than to a guy on a bike!

I definitely see your point...the cyclist had no other options in our society. He didn't have the right to challenge the ticket in court. He didn't have the ability to contact representatives, the officer's supervisor's, media, etc. His ONLY option was to crash his bicycle into a police car paid for by the public.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS_1bzaj2fw

Just imagine stopping your car for no reason on an expressway and someone rear-ends you... Why in the world would it be their fault when you should not have stopped there?

It would be their fault because they failed to leave adequate clearance or pay sufficient attention to stop without hitting a car stopped in front of them. Whether you have a reason or not has no bearing on whether they should hit you -- does it really matter whether you had a flat tire, a broken drive line, or just a sudden desire to stop? Not running into the car in front of you is a pretty basic road rule, as is the automatic presumption of fault for a motorist who strikes another vehicle from the rear.

Lol

Same here no matter the condition/situation you HAVE to be in the bike lane =/

I was impressed he could crash so often without hurting himself.

I definitely see your point...the cyclist had no other options in our society. He didn't have the right to challenge the ticket in court. He didn't have the ability to contact representatives, the officer's supervisor's, media, etc. Yeah, all that has been working extremely well in NYC lately, right?

What a bunch of crap to write that ticket. Pretty impressive/athletic display of crashing.

as a new NYC bike-rider, i was obviously interested in this video. its definitely funny and makes the point that bike lanes are often obstructed, leaving riders no choice but to go outside the bike lane.

but, as others have said, its not clear from the snippet with the cop what happened and why he got the ticket. clearly, he was riding outside the bike lane, but was he doing that because there was an obstruction?

i have to say that i LOVE the bike lanes, when they're available. it makes such a huge difference in the riding experience. i want more!

Yeah, all that has been working extremely well in NYC lately, right?

No...I'm sure crashing a car into a police cruiser is a far more intelligent alternative :rolleyes:

Life's not perfect. There are things that will never be fair and just...let me know when you find utopia.

He probably did more than $50 damage to the cruiser, so let's call it a wash.

:P Funny video, but how does he do that and not get hurt. :eek:

I have experience with a newly created bike lane causing a major safety issue along my daily commute. The city poured a pretty new sidewalk along a quiet secondary road, then put up green bike route signs along the sidewalk. I only use this road for about half a mile, so I carefully tried out the sidewalk bike route. I found two places where blind spots made it dangerous for me. The first one was caused by a large evergreen tree next to a residential driveway. The tree is close to the street, so the sidewalk does a small radius arch around the tree that ends at the driveway. Cars leaving the residence can't see me coming because of the tree. The other blind spot is more dangerous, as it is caused by a large brick sign in the middle of an entrance/exit of a gated community. The sidewalk is close enough to the brick sign to touch while cycling, and the brick sign is large enough to hide a minivan. I can't see when people are coming out of the gate until they are past the sign and on the sidewalk. Motorists have to drive past the sign, covering the sidewalk, in order to see before turning. A motorist could easily hit me on my bicycle before having a chance to see me!

Fortunately, in my case, the bike route signs were taken down after a month. I hope it was because of complaints from cyclists and not because of a cyclist being hit. I decided right away that the "bike route sidewalk" was not for me. I would rather pay a ticket than pay medical bills after being hit!

I would rather pay a ticket than pay medical bills after being hit!
you don't list your location, but most states don't force you to ride a bike lane. NY and Florida being the exceptions I know of, and it seems to me that NY is fairly reasonable about it.

people, it's the neistat bros

same guys that made the video of them stealing their own bikes

Ha ha ha! That video is f***ing awesome! And yeah, the cop was wrong, and as most NYC cops, he was an a**hole too. If there is obstruction in the bike lane the cyclists is allowed to ride with traffic. He should have gone to court with bunch of pictures of the bike lanes. I often ride with the traffic because the bike lanes are obstructed almost on every block and weaving in and out is dangerous.

Generally, those green bike lanes that run along the sidewalks are a disaster waiting to happen. I hear of lots of collisions with pedestrians walking into the bike lanes and I had many close ones myself. These bike lanes are not safe if you go more than 3 mph.

Check this one out:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/bzE-IMaegzQ

Adam

I'm enjoying the self righteous assclowns in this thread that are indignant that he's crashing into stuff in the bike lanes like taxis, cops, delivery trucks, etc. I can hardly ride in the bike lanes because they're treated like a 2nd sidewalk by pedestrians and are filled w/ people walking their dogs on retractable leashes, people stepping into them w/o looking who are trying to hail a cab or cross the street, salmoning delivery dudes, cars & trucks and huge pot holes. I watched a woman walk directly at me w/ my HID shining straight at her and she never saw me! She seemed surprised when she finally noticed me stop 1' in front of her. Bike lanes are great, but you still need to ride outside of them when they're obstructed and getting a ticket for something that's not illegal is a waste of tax payers money. I don't see the city refunding us for all the money they waste on all the tickets that get thrown out.

And I'm enjoying the self righteous morons who expect the world to be perfect, to revolve around them and who fail to understand that bike paths can cause problems with parking, stopping, etc. People stopped in those lanes when they were auto lanes too...and weren't ticketed. There are a lot of people with a lot of different traffic needs sharing the same space...it won't be perfect. Considering what a small minority we are, we're lucky to be getting the resources dedicated to us that we are getting. Be thankful. Be grateful that you live in a place where you have court access and the right to agitate for your interests.

That cop treated a rude and disrespectful person better than I'd have expected. By the way...I'm glad the video is making the rounds and will call attention to the issue...because it is a legit issue that annoys all of us. That said, the way this was done was disrespectful and rude.

you don't list your location, but most states don't force you to ride a bike lane. NY and Florida being the exceptions I know of, and it seems to me that NY is fairly reasonable about it.
I live in Oklahoma City, and I don't think I am required to ride on the bike lanes here. I avoided this bike lane after my one careful attempt, and ignored the drivers that seemed to think I was causing them problems by riding on the street.

I like how the cyclist cut off most of the video which is his best evidence and then just typed in what he wants us to know about the conversation. Sounded like the cop began talking about a red light, did the cyclist decide to go on a red? Looks like a whiner that probably deserved a ticket for cycling unsafely and cries when he's called on it.


I'm confused...are you contending that you were riding in a lane, went out of the lane because there was an obstruction, and got ticketed for it...

or are you saying you were riding out of the lane in general because sometimes there are obstructions and ticketed for it, and are upset because it isn't illegal?

Legal or not...if you're able to ride in the lane, ride in the lane. Nothing in life is perfect...having a lane with some obstructions is better than having no lane at all. I'm wagering you weren't riding in the lane at all. I'm also extremely impressed with the cop for taking your rudeness and disrespect so well. If you have a problem with the ticket...you can fight it in court. Cops make mistakes, they aren't judges and they aren't usually legal experts. Court is the place to fight that.

PS...I'm assuming you are refunding the police and tax payers for any damage to the car you made while making your point? Personally, I'd have arrested you for disorderly conduct and reckless behavior for potentially interrupting traffic, property damage, possible injuries to others and anything else I can think of.

You don't understand because you didn't ride the new NYC bike lanes. The bike lanes are blocked most of the time and cops hardly ever do anything about that. People who ride regularly learned that being in those dedicated bike lanes is like being in a cage: you have a curb and a sidewalk on one side and row of cars on the other. Any obstructions are hard to go around and require dangerous merge with traffic through the parking lane. Pedestrians walk into the bike lane without looking. And the #1 bike lane offender is NYPD, by the way.

Cops are supposed to know the law, that's a no excuse. If they don't they should be relieved from service. I shouldn't waste a day in court because of a cop's incompetence. And if I do waste a day and win I should be rewarded and the cop should be punished for his incompetence and that just doesn't happen. Cops should be held responsible for giving baloney tickets so they would think twice next time.

Have you ever dealt with an NYPD cop? Most of them are jerks on a power trip and they hate everyone around them. They park their cars in the most inconvenient spots: in the crosswalks, at bus stops, on the corners preventing people from turning, in bike lanes, in disabled parking spots. They have zero respect for people around them. They would totally delay a city bus full of people and park in a bus lane or at a bust stop so they are closer to a deli to get their lunch. Just try asking a NYC cop for directions. Chances are they will ignore you or tell you to go away.

I was riding in a bike lane once and a truck driver walked from behind a parked truck and proceeded to open the door, I barely avoided him, blew my AirZound, he started running after me yelling obscenities. NYPD car was passing by, I waved at them and told them that this guy is running after me and verbally assaulting me after nearly causing me to crash. They looked at me and said "just move on.." Me: "can you at least explain to that man that he is in the wrong? I am the one here being violated here". Cops: "Just go!". They couldn't be bothered. What would it cost them to reprimand that driver?!? I wasn't asking to ticket him, just tell him to shut up and back off. He was still yelling at me when I was talking to the cops. I was cut off many times by turning cars in front of NYPD cops, complained to them, they just shrugged or outright laugh at me.

Finally, how do you know how this video was shot? Why do you assume that he was crashing into random vehicles? Perhaps it was all set up properly. Obviously, whoever was shooting that video knew what they were doing. I don't believe he would go around damaging people's cars to shot his video and get away with it.

And I'm enjoying the self righteous morons who expect the world to be perfect, to revolve around them and who fail to understand that bike paths can cause problems with parking, stopping, etc. People stopped in those lanes when they were auto lanes too...and weren't ticketed. There are a lot of people with a lot of different traffic needs sharing the same space...it won't be perfect. Considering what a small minority we are, we're lucky to be getting the resources dedicated to us that we are getting. Be thankful. Be grateful that you live in a place where you have court access and the right to agitate for your interests.

That cop treated a rude and disrespectful person better than I'd have expected. By the way...I'm glad the video is making the rounds and will call attention to the issue...because it is a legit issue that annoys all of us. That said, the way this was done was disrespectful and rude.

Sorry man, you're so wrong on so many levels that I'm out of words to reason with you. Those bike lanes were put there for a reason. So am I "a moron who expects the world to be perfect, to revolve around me" because I expect those bike lanes TO BE SAFE FOR BIKES?!?! What is wrong with you? I don't ride on sidewalks and expect pedestrians not walk in bike lanes. I will happily use those bike lanes and be out of driver's way if those drives kept away from the bike lanes. Is that really a problem for you?

Finally, how do you know how this video was shot? Why do you assume that he was crashing into random vehicles? Perhaps it was all set up properly. Obviously, whoever was shooting that video knew what they were doing. I don't believe he would go around damaging people's cars to shot his video and get away with it.
I agree that the only way the guy could have filmed this without seriously injuring himself would be to carefully orchestrate every crash. Had everything not been planned out, we would have only seen one accident and then probably viewed footage of the EMTs attending to him.

Funny vid, though.

Sorry man, you're so wrong on so many levels that I'm out of words to reason with you. Those bike lanes were put there for a reason. So am I "a moron who expects the world to be perfect, to revolve around me" because I expect those bike lanes TO BE SAFE FOR BIKES?!?! What is wrong with you? I don't ride on sidewalks and expect pedestrians not walk in bike lanes. I will happily use those bike lanes and be out of driver's way if those drives kept away from the bike lanes. Is that really a problem for you?

Adam...you aren't a moron at all...that comment was certainly NOT aimed at you.

I have ridden in NYC, and it's a total and complete zoo. I completely agree there are problems. I completely agree that pedestrians are out of control. Where I don't agree is the methodology here. I am glad that it might bring attention to the problems.

I ride primarily in philly (which is bad, but NOT NYC bad), and the double parkers annoy me...as do the cabs...etc. I either use other roads if it's too difficult or I deal with it. I wouldn;t crash a bike into private property or treat a cop that poorly. I expect some level of aggravation from other cars, bikes and pedestrians...and I wish it wasn;t there, but it is. It's part of the deal and we don't have the resources (or the will) to ticket pedestrians for jay walking, cars for stopping, etc.

Also...to another extent I understand how difficult it is for a car to let someone out...or to empty groceries when all you have is that lane there. It's a lot of people in a tight space. I really believe the overall problem is simply congestion and roads/walks that can't accomodate the mass of people that use them at reasonable speeds.

As far as cops being rude...a lot of them are, but I try to be somewhat understanding. They are dealing primarily with the dregs of society 24-7. They are in a tough spot in terms of regulating but balancing rights. They have a dangerous, difficult, stressful job. Some do it better than others and I agree there can be cultures of abuse. I do not mean to insult police, but we've given a lot of regulatory power to a group of people that are often from the lower classes, poorly educated, and often with the same backgrounds as the criminals they're governing. That will lead to issues, and the place to resolve the issues is in front of a judge. We don't have the right to crash into public property.

Adam...you aren't a moron at all...that comment was certainly NOT aimed at you.

I have ridden in NYC, and it's a total and complete zoo. I completely agree there are problems. I completely agree that pedestrians are out of control. Where I don't agree is the methodology here. I am glad that it might bring attention to the problems.

I ride primarily in philly, and the double parkers annoy me...as do the cabs...etc. I either use other roads if it's too difficult or I deal with it. I wouldn;t crash a bike into private property or treat a cop that poorly. I expect some level of aggravation from other cars, bikes and pedestrians...and I wish it wasn;t there, but it is. It's part of the deal and we don't have the resources (or the will) to ticket pedestrians for jay walking, cars for stopping, etc.

Also...to another extent I understand how difficult it is for a car to let someone out...or to empty groceries when all you have is that lane there. It's a lot of people in a tight space.

But it sounded like you were blaming that cyclist for expecting a clear and safe bike lane. That he was self-centered and wanted something unreasonable. It wasn't like he was showing unreasonable entitlement, he just wanted people and stuff out of bike lanes, that's not self-centered and unreasonable notion. I feel the same way, if I was in that cyclist's shoes I would be pissed at the cop too. People want us, cyclists, out of sidewalks and roadways so we want peds and cars out of the bike lanes.

Adam

No...I'm blaming the attitude of "I expect perfection, and if it's not what I want, I can crash my bike into a car". I'm not blaming him for being upset with the situation, I'm blaming him for his attitude and actions in the video. I think a lot of the time cyclists have unrealistic expectations, especially considering what a small minority we are.

I think it might be asking for a lot to expect paths that are clear at all times. People sometimes have to drop people off, and doing that means stopping and breaking traffic patterns. It happened before bike lanes too. The real problem is that you have a LOT of people moving in a tight space and there isn't room for everyone.

As far as cops parking in areas that don't allow parking...they abuse it a lot, no question. But let's also consider that they might be doing something job related where they can't find a parking space. They are on duty, presumably serving the public, and we don't always know if there's a reason for certain behaviors. There might be a reason for them to be there. I don't see police in Philly bike lanes too much...but we aren't the mad house NYC is either.

A little history: The NYPD has a habit of parking in the bike lanes. When a cyclist rides out of the bike lane to go around the police car, the cops pull the rider over and give them a ticket for not using the lane. The cyclist then has to go to court to contest and the judge has to pick between the cyclists version of events and the cops. That is, if the cop shows up. If he doesn't, the court date gets rescheduled and the cyclist has to come back and do it all over again. Or the cyclist can pay the fine and be done w/ the aggravation. A video showing what most cyclists dream about doing is a funny way to see those dreams realized. Unless you're a self righteous assclown.

No...I'm blaming the attitude of "I expect perfection, and if it's not what I want, I can crash my bike into a car". I'm not blaming him for being upset with the situation, I'm blaming him for his attitude and actions in the video. I think a lot of the time cyclists have unrealistic expectations, especially considering what a small minority we are.

I think it might be asking for a lot to expect paths that are clear at all times. People sometimes have to drop people off, and doing that means stopping and breaking traffic patterns. It happened before bike lanes too. The real problem is that you have a LOT of people moving in a tight space and there isn't room for everyone.

As far as cops parking in areas that don't allow parking...they abuse it a lot, no question. But let's also consider that they might be doing something job related where they can't find a parking space. They are on duty, presumably serving the public, and we don't always know if there's a reason for certain behaviors. There might be a reason for them to be there. I don't see police in Philly bike lanes too much...but we aren't the mad house NYC is either.

I really think all those crashes were set up for the video. I just can't believe anyone sane would go around crashing into cars like that AND documenting it on video. If he did, I'd agree with you but I really think it was orchestrated for the video.

A little history: The NYPD has a habit of parking in the bike lanes. When a cyclist rides out of the bike lane to go around the police car, the cops pull the rider over and give them a ticket for not using the lane. The cyclist then has to go to court to contest and the judge has to pick between the cyclists version of events and the cops. That is, if the cop shows up. If he doesn't, the court date gets rescheduled and the cyclist has to come back and do it all over again. Or the cyclist can pay the fine and be done w/ the aggravation. A video showing what most cyclists dream about doing is a funny way to see those dreams realized. Unless you're a self righteous assclown.

That, I'm not sure about. I was told that if the cop doesn't show up the case is dismissed. That used to be a way to get out of traffic tickets: take it to the court hoping the cop doesn't show up. But it might have changed, don't know.

You're assuming I knew that it was a guy who was known for these types of stunts before it was pointed out :)

I didn't know that and just assumed it was someone who had watched jack arse too many times. With that information in hand, I agree...but, assuming the interaction with the cop was legit, he was still quite rude and I fundamentally have a problem with the idea that crashing into the stuff was a fair response. I also would have liked to have seen him riding prior to the ticket...he might have been acting like a jerk and have gotten one for reason xxx for being a schmuck.

You're assuming I knew that it was a guy who was known for these types of stunts before it was pointed out :)

I didn't know that and just assumed it was someone who had watched jack arse too many times. With that information in hand, I agree...but, assuming the interaction with the cop was legit, he was still quite rude and I fundamentally have a problem with the idea that crashing into the stuff was a fair response. I also would have liked to have seen him riding prior to the ticket...he might have been acting like a jerk and have gotten one for reason xxx for being a schmuck.

Yeah, there is a lot we don't know about that so let's avoid any further assumptions and just take that video for what it is: a humorous illustration of a problem. I would assume though, er... never mind :D

A little history: The NYPD has a habit of parking in the bike lanes. When a cyclist rides out of the bike lane to go around the police car, the cops pull the rider over and give them a ticket for not using the lane. The cyclist then has to go to court to contest and the judge has to pick between the cyclists version of events and the cops. That is, if the cop shows up. If he doesn't, the court date gets rescheduled and the cyclist has to come back and do it all over again. Or the cyclist can pay the fine and be done w/ the aggravation. A video showing what most cyclists dream about doing is a funny way to see those dreams realized. Unless you're a self righteous assclown.

Great...show me a video of someone getting ticketed for going around a police car parked in a bike lane. I didn't see that. I see a guy who mouthed off at cops, didn't show his riding prior to the ticket and then filmed himself acting like a schmuck. If that's your dream, it says quite a bit about you.

I also see is a doofus throwing out tired insults from a pop culture reference.

You're clearly a very poor, abused victim and I strongly suggest contacting Amnesty International and UN Human Rights Watch.

Yeah, the guy is a videographer and a director:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWkmgjiXwOg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrs3LxsruA

so I'm pretty sure no public property was damaged in that video.

Finally, how do you know how this video was shot? Why do you assume that he was crashing into random vehicles? Perhaps it was all set up properly. Obviously, whoever was shooting that video knew what they were doing. I don't believe he would go around damaging people's cars to shot his video and get away with it.


Exactly.

Again, people, this is one of the Neistat Bors, they make their living doing videos like this.

They have their own HBO show forchristsake

http://www.hbo.com/the-neistat-brothers/index.html

Exactly.

Again, people, this is one of the Neistat Bors, they make their living doing videos like this.

They have their own HBO show forchristsake

http://www.hbo.com/the-neistat-brothers/index.html

I hadn't heard of them from the rock I live under. I am so out of touch with current pop culture...

Hopefully it will change some opinions at who is the problem in NYC traffic.

I hadn't heard of them from the rock I live under. I am so out of touch with current pop culture...

Me too, so I google :D

I like how the cyclist cut off most of the video which is his best evidence and then just typed in what he wants us to know about the conversation. Sounded like the cop began talking about a red light, did the cyclist decide to go on a red? Looks like a whiner that probably deserved a ticket for cycling unsafely and cries when he's called on it.

At 0:48 the police officer has just finished talking about the "bike summons". He then says "Ahhh, the red light summons" as the sound is faded down. (I'm sure the edit was PURELY coincidental!!!)
So, it sounds like our sterling citizen may have rolled through a red light first. I wonder if it just might be possible that the original infraction that got the police officer's attention was the running of the red light?
Probably not. Our fellow biker was behaving as pure as the wind driven snow and the "cop", probably wanting to pad his quota, pulled him over in an effort to harass him.
Yeah, that's probably how it went down.

I hadn't heard of them from the rock I live under. I am so out of touch with current pop culture...

Hopefully it will change some opinions at who is the problem in NYC traffic.


You probably saw their bike thief video floating around before.

Oh no, the troll has insulted me and called me names. He must be a tough guy IRL too. I bet he yells at cyclists that pass him w/o ringing their bell and run red lights. He probably even tries to "educate" law breaking cyclists that don't signal turns or wear a helmet. Ah, the burden of the self righteous is heavy in a world where people like me exist. And people like me that laugh at the self-righteous are plentiful for we know they are rarely right in the head.

:rolleyes:

:popcorn This is becoming like A&S. As for the video this was entertainment folks and you are mistaking it for reality. All the stunts were carefully staged or he would never have escaped uninjured.

:rolleyes:


:popcorn This is becoming like A&S. As for the video this was entertainment folks and you are mistaking it for reality. All the stunts were carefully staged or he would never have escaped uninjured.

Yeah. Precisely! And this is where I get off...