Classic & Vintage - How Not to Hang a Rear Derailleur

OK, I was looking for pricing on a Univega Gran Turismo, and found this one in San Fran. This bike would actually make a decent part out, guy used some nice parts to cobble together this one.

Notice the canti studs? And I think that is a TA crankset. And the Bianchi wheels, and 105 STI.


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/2450259421.html



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Craziest collection of parts I have ever seen.

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Wow! Well, that's one way to ensure lots of space between the upper pulley wheel and the freewheel.

Neal

He must've hung that RD like that on purpose because for the life of me I dont know how someone could do that by mistake.

Some knucklehead drilled the dropout for the small claw bolt! :eek:

Max cog = 45T? :)

lol i knew it was gonna be this bike.. it got posted in the wacky CL thread earlier and i even commented on the RD claw to hanger install :lol:

And then there was the recent thread by a guy who found a Peugeot w/Simplex RD but missing the claw mounting bolt. He was wondering why the RD didn't sit right. On average they both look pretty good.

Makes me think - Could I get a bigger gear on the back now>>>

Some knucklehead drilled the dropout for the small claw bolt! :eek:

Let's hope he didn't destroy the hanger threads with that hardware-store bolt, too!

What is brazed on the chainstay, is that factory? Im guessing some kind of anti-chain slap mechanism, never saw that before.

Somebody willing to facilitate this for me? I'm not kidding. I have no desire for the brifters if that helps.

What is brazed on the chainstay, is that factory? Im guessing some kind of anti-chain slap mechanism, never saw that before.

Is that whats left of a spare spoke carrier? I'd heard of such creatures, but never saw one.

Gotta give Shimano credit yet again. Campagnolo stuff won't work if you don't have the specific parts that work together(from what I've read). Here you've got what appears to be a 9 speed MTB cassette, 9 speed brifters, and a random department store bike derailer(from Years ago?) hung in the ****tiest way possible and it shifts(you'd assume)... I'm amazed at this set-up, whether it shifts Well or not.


What is brazed on the chainstay, is that factory? Im guessing some kind of anti-chain slap mechanism, never saw that before.
Looks to me like it would be great at saving your chain-stay from chain slap.

Is that whats left of a spare spoke carrier? I'd heard of such creatures, but never saw one.

it is indeed a chainslap protector , I've seen them on a couple bikes I can only assume they'd work great.

Truly wacko rear der mounting! Probably has a little chain skipping under load.

Sell the brifters and brakes on fleabay, restore the bar-end shifters and canti brakes (and get a real derailleur for cr***sake), and it might be an OK bike.

I want a tourer like this so bad.

Max cog = 45T? :)

You can climb a wall with the right freewheel. At 2 miles per year.

You can climb a wall with the right freewheel. At 2 miles per year.

I guess someone with mad brazing skillz could take a triple crankset and attach it to the freewheel on this bike for the ultimate granny gears.

I doubt much of that RD hanger braze on is left. This bike is probably destined to having a claw hanger, which is so sad, but it will work fine. If it was closer, I would remove all of the modern parts, and return it to its original configuration. My size too.

Those modern parts would more than pay for the bike.

I doubt much of that RD hanger braze on is left. This bike is probably destined to having a claw hanger, which is so sad, but it will work fine. If it was closer, I would remove all of the modern parts, and return it to its original configuration. My size too.

Those modern parts would more than pay for the bike.

That's why I want a facili-tater. :D

Like all other parts of the country, we have cyclo goofers that will do such silly things.
By the way, we prefer "San Francisco", "SF", "The City" (used locally) or "Bay Area" when referring to our city.
"Cisco" or "San Fran" does not sit too well with most "natives".:rolleyes::D

Chombi

i doubt most people in Milpitas care what people call San Francisco :lol:

Fill the hole with brass, tap the dropout with a helicoil or a VAR dropout sleeve (derailer hanger repair kit CD-13000). Problem solved.

-Kurt

+1 Kurt - was going to say something similar. (Actually, depending on the damage you might be able to get away with just the heli-coil in this case)

I still cant get over the trouble to mount an SIS RD on that.....that.....thing.

I still cant get over the trouble to mount an SIS RD on that.....that.....thing.

Just be glad they didn't try "improving" the seatpost diameter.

-Kurt

i doubt most people in Milpitas care what people call San Francisco :lol:

Milpitas??...............where's/what's that??:p:p

Would anyone be worried about the strength of the dropout with the extra hole in it? Is the thickness sufficient and stress low enough that it wouldn't be an issue?

Get some real wheels with enough spokes to provide a decent strength-to-weight ratio. :)

I'll bet you can figure out some way to mount a derailleur on that dropout.

Like all other parts of the country, we have cyclo goofers that will do such silly things.
By the way, we prefer "San Francisco", "SF", "The City" (used locally) or "Bay Area" when referring to our city.
"Cisco" or "San Fran" does not sit too well with most "natives".:rolleyes::D

Chombi

When I lived in San Joser, they even refer to SF as "The City" there, and San Joser is about 15% bigger.

Would anyone be worried about the strength of the dropout with the extra hole in it? Is the thickness sufficient and stress low enough that it wouldn't be an issue?

The hole for the adjuster bolt is already a common failure point for that type of dropout. Another hole certainly won't improve this although some dropouts came with a factory-installed hole there:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/simplex-do.jpg

When I lived in San Joser, they even refer to SF as "The City" there, and San Joser is about 15% bigger.

yep.. weird how that is

Oakland is "The Town"
San Jose is.. nothing lol

I'll bite: work is slow right now, you still need a facilitator? I have dibs on dope-slapping the seller, tho!
Holy cr*p! I just opened the link to the CL ad: what a monstrosity! Sorry Milpitas: this guy is not helping with the trailer trash image some of us snooty "THE CITY" dwellers have of you...those canti studs have been drewed, too...not going to be fun to re-hab this frame, I'm afraid. What a jamook!

:rolleyes:
The hole for the adjuster bolt is already a common failure point for that type of dropout. Another hole certainly won't improve this although some dropouts came with a factory-installed hole there:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/simplex-do.jpg

Uhmmm........ that hole on the rear portioin that Simplex dropout was not meant for mounting/aligning an add-on dropout claw. It's for a cylindrical Delrin insert on which the axle adjuster bolt threads through from the back of the dropout. the delrin provides the drag on the bolt that retains the adjustment as the same is done on nylok nuts.
Simplex just loves using Delrin on everything they make!:D
BTW, I don't think I ever heard of this type of Simplex DO ever failing because of that hole. the DOs were designed very stoutly with a lot of material in the first place, unlike some thinner section DOs like the Suntour GS which I think, from evidence posted on this and other bicycling sites, had a tendency to crack at the triangular cutout.

Chombi

yep.. weird how that is

Oakland is "The Town"
San Jose is.. nothing lol

San Jose seems to just be called "Silicon Valley" by most Bay Area residents, if they do not want to say "San Joser" or "SJ" or "San Jose". Not sure what the natives from the south prefers.
I've also heard "Oaktown" from my Oakland resident friends.....and they still called SF "The City", for some reason.:rolleyes:

Chombi

Herb Caen is dead and gone: we are free to call this place anything we like. And besides, HE wasn't even a native (Sac-a-tomatoes, him). Personally, I like "the Santa Clara Valley", which is the proper name for it. Nobody has baked any Silicon in that place for 15 years, anyhow.
My thread hi-jacking is now done ;)

Sorry Milpitas: this guy is not helping with the trailer trash image some of us snooty "THE CITY" dwellers have of you

Trailer trash? Milpitas? Check out wikipedia, Milpitas is 60% Asian..


Not sure what the natives from the south prefers.Not a native but lived here for over 10 years. SJ or San Jose is pretty much all I ever hear it called, or "the south bay". I would only refer to it as silicon valley when talking to someone out of state since that phrase is more widely known

The hole for the adjuster bolt is already a common failure point for that type of dropout. Another hole certainly won't improve this although some dropouts came with a factory-installed hole there:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/simplex-do.jpg

Thanks John, I've never encountered that one, it looks like they compensated for the hole with plenty of steel.

Sell the wheels asap. If they have all spokes in good condition then pass it off while you can. I think anyone over 120lb will snap a rear spoke on these. I had a set and read that they were a time bomb. Rode them anyway and sure enough, pop, fix it, pop, fix it, pop!
Spokes are hard to come by and expensive. Poor design, but look nice and modern.

I was in contact with the seller, he told me the bike got sold today. Not surprising I guess, huge market for vintage bikes here in the bay and not many experienced buyers (like me, luckily I got on the forum and dodged this one). After he told me it'd been sold, I asked how/why he'd hung the rear derailleur like he did, and all he said was "I think it's just the brand of rear derailleur, old school model." Probably wasn't his bike to begin with, and doubt he's a flipper because he would've just parted out the bike instead of selling it or at least not done what he did with the derailleur. Guess this will just remain a mystery.

Actually, that RD mounting is not too far removed from how I've seen some cheap, early SIS RD's were designed to mount. Tourney's are a good example. The Mega-Range RD, long as the pulley cage already is, is mounted with a large pivoting bolt to a steel hanger that then mounts to a dropout hanger. And, actually, at the same angle the RD on that Univega is. The Mega-Range RD is spec'd to handle up to a 34t cog and mid 40's of chainwrap, but I've seen it handle a 38t cog no problem. Some dude on the internet did it. Nevertheless, that is still a kludge mount if I ever saw one. Moot now, anyway.

Oh, and....golly....maybe that hardware store bolt actually has the correct threads for the dropout hanger. Auto part stores do have bolts like that.

Actually, that RD mounting is not too far removed from how I've seen some cheap, early SIS RD's were designed to mount. Tourney's are a good example. The Mega-Range RD, long as the pulley cage already is, is mounted with a large pivoting bolt to a steel hanger that then mounts to a dropout hanger. And, actually, at the same angle the RD on that Univega is. The Mega-Range RD is spec'd to handle up to a 34t cog and mid 40's of chainwrap, but I've seen it handle a 38t cog no problem. Some dude on the internet did it. Nevertheless, that is still a kludge mount if I ever saw one. Moot now, anyway.

Oh, and....golly....maybe that hardware store bolt actually has the correct threads for the dropout hanger. Auto part stores do have bolts like that.

That reminds me, I had one of those derailleurs on a clapped out Specialized and you're right about the position.

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That bike could have been the subject of several "how not to..." threads.

Looks professional to me. It's even got the crimp on the wire.

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Hey, that was fun!

The Mega-Range RD is spec'd to handle up to a 34t cog and mid 40's of chainwrap, but I've seen it handle a 38t cog no problem. Some dude on the internet did it.

When I thought I'd gotten my hands on an AG freewheel I dug up a thread here about it - he got it to work by adding an additional spring to pull the cage back a little more to get over the 38t cog.

Instead I happened upon an AG derailleur, and it really isn't any bigger than a standard mountain bike derailleur.

Maybe you can get Rebecca Black to put those lyrics to song...


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Hey, that was fun!

whoa

My OCD says you are 4 Frisco's short.

It's Frisco, Frisco
Gotta get down on Frisco
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Frisco, Frisco.
Frisco, Frisco
Gettin' down on Frisco
Everybody's lookin' forward to the Frisco

Partyin', Frisco' (Yeah)
Frisco', partyin' (Yeah)
Fun, Frisco, fun, Frisco
Lookin' forward to the Frisco!

When I thought I'd gotten my hands on an AG freewheel I dug up a thread here about it - he got it to work by adding an additional spring to pull the cage back a little more to get over the 38t cog.

Instead I happened upon an AG derailleur, and it really isn't any bigger than a standard mountain bike derailleur.

Oh! I never saw that little detail. Then, maybe we're not speaking of the same dude? Would you happen to know where I could find that thread? I'm considering a little barter to acquire one of those Mega RD's for a project. The thing looks brand new, and I like the cage design with the large, red jockey wheel on the bottom. Matches my mtn bike! :D