Foo - Would your spouse/SO be pissed off at you if you did this?

A couple nights ago, I was preparing a dish that required me to saute several ingredients separately. Having worked as a dishwasher for years when I was younger, I am sensitive to any process that unnecessarily requires anyone to do more dishes.

With this in mind, I set 3 bowls from the night before on the floor, let the dog lick them out until they were clean, and used them.

My wife was annoyed saying it was yucky. My position is that had she not seen the process for cleaning them, she would never be able to tell the difference. Moreover, the ingredients I put in them were too hot for germs, and they were going to be cooked again anyway. If that weren't enough, the only cooties you could get were from the dog and that's like being smooched for all practical purposes.

My workmates think I'm out of my mind. What say my fellow foosters?

BTW, I always let the dog lick the spatula after flipping things on the grill -- I like the spatula to be clean at all times. My wife knows I do this and it doesn't bother her.

When cooking for others I tend to stick to total cleanliness so I'm going for "yucky".

My dog likes to lick her private parts. Maybe yours is more civilized.

Oh, she also eats various types of poo she finds in the yard, and drinks out of the toilet on occassion.

I share food with my dog. She is a dainty princess and takes food off a fork. The same fork I use for my own portion.
I have also let my dog lick ice cream cones and popsicles that I am not done with yet.
My dog is not made of poison. I'm fairly certain these practices will not kill me.

My spouse? I'd puke at the thought!:eek: I wouldn't even imagine doing that to her.

Our terrier has been known to find fine dining snacks in kitty litter. I don't see sharing any food serving items with the aforementioned dog.

A couple nights ago, I was preparing a dish that required me to saute several ingredients separately. Having worked as a dishwasher for years when I was younger, I am sensitive to any process that unnecessarily requires anyone to do more dishes.

With this in mind, I set 3 bowls from the night before on the floor, let the dog lick them out until they were clean, and used them.

My wife was annoyed saying it was yucky. My position is that had she not seen the process for cleaning them, she would never be able to tell the difference. Moreover, the ingredients I put in them were too hot for germs, and they were going to be cooked again anyway. If that weren't enough, the only cooties you could get were from the dog and that's like being smooched for all practical purposes.

My workmates think I'm out of my mind. What say my fellow foosters?

BTW, I always let the dog lick the spatula after flipping things on the grill -- I like the spatula to be clean at all times. My wife knows I do this and it doesn't bother her.


Are you kidding me? Remind me to not accept ANY invite to your house for grub. And for all you who let your dog lick his own arse and then you feed him while he "daintily" takes food from your fork are in serious need of a tune up yourself.

I'm fine with letting the dog lick the bowls clean, but you should have taken a couple of minutes to properly wash them before reuse.

Yes, and urine is sterile, does that mean you'll save water by washing the dishes in piss?

It is yucky to me.

Bailey wants to move to your house. ^..^

Um, I'll pass on the dog-cleaned bowls. I'm not germophobe, but that's a little far for me.

I love my dogs. They sleep in the bed with me and even lick my face.

But your nasty. :lol:

I think you might have stumbled upon an excellent concept. I see it now, fine dining establishments with a pack of dogs in the back to clean dishes. Chinese restaurants could start now; they already have the dogs.

To answer your question: Yes. Definitely yes.

Dogs lick their asses. :eek: No, I don't let them clean my plates.

+1 on yucky... regardless if the end product is a perfectly clean plate.

My dog likes to lick her private parts. Maybe yours is more civilized.

Oh, she also eats various types of poo she finds in the yard, and drinks out of the toilet on occassion.

I don't have a dog, but I concur with these observations from seeing other dogs, I say yucky.

Of course, I know my wife well enough that I would not even contemplate such barbary.

Please don't invite me over for dinner.

Maybe. I'll try this over the 4th of July weekend and report back.

Couch

My dog likes to lick her private parts. Maybe yours is more civilized.
Let's just say she never smooches me unless she already has a clean butt.

One thing that did occur to me is that I would find it yucky if a human (including my wife) licked the plates clean instead of the dog. To my knowledge, she doesn't take special care to make sure her butt is clean immediately before which explains the discrepancy.


It is yucky to me.

Bailey wants to move to your house. ^..^
I extend such practices with all good doggies. After all, dog saliva is antiseptic. It must be...

:D My cats are very clean - they clean their feet that sweep the kitty litter (sometimes tossing out a poo in their quest to find just the right spot ...) and they clean their own selves - and I catch one or the other enjoying ze parfume from the other's ... ya know...

While I enjoy my cats - and you wouldn't even know I had even one cat here - I would so wash that dish or utensile before I reused it. :D:D

Ewwwww.

I don't consider utensils or plates that have been licked by anything (dog, human, cat, whatever) to be clean.

From the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/animals/dogs.htm):

"Dogs can carry a variety of germs that can make people sick. Some of these germs are common and some are rare. For example, puppies may pass the bacterium Campylobacter in their feces (stool). This germ can cause diarrhea in people. Puppies and some adult dogs often carry a variety of parasites that can cause rashes or illness in people. Less often, dogs in urban or rural areas can carry the bacterium Leptospira (lep-TO-spy-ruh). This germ causes the disease leptospirosis (lep-to-spi-roh-sis) in people and animals. Dogs can also carry rabies, a deadly viral disease. Rabies from dogs is rare in the United States."

The article has a list of lovely stuff you can pick up from your dog. Mainly parasites and worms. No thanks.

Are you kidding me? Remind me to not accept ANY invite to your house for grub. And for all you who let your dog lick his own arse and then you feed him while he "daintily" takes food from your fork are in serious need of a tune up yourself.

The world is a dirty place and the way I live is a big inoculation against all of it. I walk around barefoot, share food with my dog, pick up and eat things that I've dropped on the ground, and don't carry around a pack of bleach wipes like Adrian Monk to sanitize everything I touch. When everyone else has long since died of the common cold and Lysol withdrawl, my dog and I will look out over the ruins and share a meal off the same fork.

The other advantages of my method are:

Ecologically friendly -- significant reduction in water and electricity consumption
Fast
Quiet
Inoculate yourself against a wide variety of germs. Practically nothing can make me sick
Best of all, the dog loves it :)

I.. pick up and eat things that I've dropped on the ground...
How many people don't do this? The ground typically has fewer microbes than most peoples' hands. Seriously.

Ewwwww.

I don't consider utensils or plates that have been licked by anything (dog, human, cat, whatever) to be clean.

From the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/animals/dogs.htm):

"Dogs can carry a variety of germs that can make people sick. Some of these germs are common and some are rare. For example, puppies may pass the bacterium Campylobacter in their feces (stool). This germ can cause diarrhea in people. Puppies and some adult dogs often carry a variety of parasites that can cause rashes or illness in people. Less often, dogs in urban or rural areas can carry the bacterium Leptospira (lep-TO-spy-ruh). This germ causes the disease leptospirosis (lep-to-spi-roh-sis) in people and animals. Dogs can also carry rabies, a deadly viral disease. Rabies from dogs is rare in the United States."

The article has a list of lovely stuff you can pick up from your dog. Mainly parasites and worms. No thanks.

And if your dog runs through a thicket of poison ivy the oils can get on you when you pet it. Oh no! And they might get a flea that hitched a ride on a carrion bird which ate something that died of Yersinia pestis and give you the plague. AHHHHH! Life is full of what-ifs; I'm more likely to choke on my lunch or slip and fall in the shower than I am to die from something I contracted by sharing food with my dog.

Maybe. I'll try this over the 4th of July weekend and report back.

Couch

I'm soooo telling my Mom on this!!!! Our picnic shall incorporate a stop at the local grocery store to purchase utensils. Mom is quite par-tic-u-lar about her plateware, etc ..... Doggy licks - not so much...

And if your dog runs through a thicket of poison ivy the oils can get on you when you pet it. Oh no! And they might get a flea that hitched a ride on a carrion bird which ate something that died of Yersinia pestis and give you the plague. AHHHHH! Life is full of what-ifs; I'm more likely to choke on my lunch or slip and fall in the shower than I am to die from something I contracted by sharing food with my dog.

And I could get hit by a bus when I cross the street. But I don't intentionally walk in front of busses.

Everyone has their own germ comfort level. I prefer not to share those of my pets.

Um, I'll pass on the dog-cleaned bowls. I'm not germophobe, but that's a little far for me.

This. I'm fine with doggie kisses, but not on the mouth.

This. I'm fine with doggie kisses, but not on the mouth.

I'm of the same opinion, but when she manages to slip me the tongue...I've never gotten sick from it. Same with the dog.

. . . What say my fellow foosters? . . .

Are you nuts? It is completely irrelevent what we think. In this particular matter, there is exactly one vote that counts - your wife's. This is not a cleaning method that has the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval. She doesn't like it. So don't so it. End of discussion.

I call shenanigans. Being a dishwasher should bring in food safety and sanitation training. I'm sure you know what would not pass inspection or is acceptable by auditors. Granted this is at home, you know what is proper. But all in all, it's your wife that matters. If you love her and respect her, perhaps your process of washing dishes is not the one that might be used, with her in mind.

Next time you serve dinner to your guests, let them know your cleaning method AFTER they finish their meal. Let me know how that goes.

And if your dog runs through a thicket of poison ivy the oils can get on you when you pet it. Oh no! And they might get a flea that hitched a ride on a carrion bird which ate something that died of Yersinia pestis and give you the plague. AHHHHH! Life is full of what-ifs...
But some things we know to be a reality. For example, I'm connected to my own butt 24x7. As it is germy, it's a miracle it hasn't made me sick.


Being a dishwasher should bring in food safety and sanitation training. I'm sure you know what would not pass inspection or is acceptable by auditors.
Correct. I've also done a bit of management and been responsible for ensuring others comply. However, what you need to pass inspection is WAY more than is necessary in a home environment, and this is why even though tens of millions of people eat at restaurants every day, it's big news when someone actually gets sick.

For myself at home, I reuse any glass the same day if the liquid it contained is the same (including milk) and I'll eat things set out for hours without a second thought. I'll eat mayo that's 6 months expired (in fact I ignore expiration dates as anything that smells or tastes OK is fine by me, and anything that seems dodgy by this standard is not even if there is plenty of time left according to the package).

I don't subject others to my practices since I know they want a standard that would get you through a restaurant, but in all honesty the grossest thing about food in the US is how many foods are produced -- and I won't eat those if given a choice.

I practically never get sick from anything. Just in case you're wondering how I got to be so unsanitary, when I was little my grandmother once made me eat this cheese and bread that had mold on it. She told me that it was fine, and that all I needed to do was scrape it off but even that wasn't important. When I didn't get sick, I started wondering how much it takes to make you sick and started experimenting with progressively more questionable stuff. The answer is a lot, and you wreck the taste long before you get to that point.

A solution that satisfies everyone is available. I'm surprised no one mentioned it yet.

Cook, let the dog lick to her heart's content. Then throw away the pot/skillet/spatula. :thumb:

Ewwww.

My ex loved her dogs. But I think if I had done this, it would have been grounds for divorce right then and there.

To me that would be gross. Honestly, I wouldn't eat off that bowl until I saw it had been washed in boiling water.

Personally I find people letting dogs lick their faces gross. As others have already said, dogs eat crap they find (literaly), they lick their genitals, they lick their backsides.

I wouldn't eat from a plate that a dog had sat on, so neither would I eat from a plate that the dog had licked. They're pretty much the same thing in my book.

I think it's a great idea. You should sell your dishwasher and replace it with a box of toy poodles.

"I set 3 bowls from the night before on the floor" That is a loser right there.

Correct. I've also done a bit of management and been responsible for ensuring others comply. However, what you need to pass inspection is WAY more than is necessary in a home environment, and this is why even though tens of millions of people eat at restaurants every day, it's big news when someone actually gets sick.

Then you ARE educated on this. There are reasons for these standards. Granted one of the major ones is fear of lawsuits, it has happened that due to people's different sensitivities and tolerance levels they have gotten sick. Why risk it? Why risk hurting others?

For myself at home, I reuse any glass the same day if the liquid it contained is the same (including milk) and I'll eat things set out for hours without a second thought. I'll eat mayo that's 6 months expired (in fact I ignore expiration dates as anything that smells or tastes OK is fine by me, and anything that seems dodgy by this standard is not even if there is plenty of time left according to the package).

Milk is not plant and can break down and form dangerous bacteria if left warm. Don't forget the 20 minute cold chain law. (http://foodlawblog.com/2011/02/14/transporting-perishable-products-maintain-the-cold-chain/)

I don't subject others to my practices since I know they want a standard that would get you through a restaurant, but in all honesty the grossest thing about food in the US is how many foods are produced -- and I won't eat those if given a choice.

Your wife has been subjected and according to your OP, she is not happy about it.

I practically never get sick from anything. Just in case you're wondering how I got to be so unsanitary, when I was little my grandmother once made me eat this cheese and bread that had mold on it. She told me that it was fine, and that all I needed to do was scrape it off but even that wasn't important. When I didn't get sick, I started wondering how much it takes to make you sick and started experimenting with progressively more questionable stuff. The answer is a lot, and you wreck the taste long before you get to that point.

Your body may be different from others because of your experiences since you were little. Others may not have been exposed as you have and their bodies may not have developed immunity to such risks. To risk your wife's health and do this without her consent, to me, is just not fair.

In case anyone is not aware, I am in the food handling business and have had to pass several training sessions, tests and monthly inspections as well as random on the spot facility surprise inspections and scrutiny of safety auditors. I personally have to have certifications by my company and by the State in order to maintain my job and to perform and produce at optimum levels and expectations. Because of my belief in this system, I am very diligent in following what is law. Putting the public at risk, putting ANYONE as risk - especially a loved one, is not something in my book. Especially if it is based on the fact that


Having worked as a dishwasher for years when I was younger, I am sensitive to any process that unnecessarily requires anyone to do more dishes.
In my opinion, that is risk due to laziness and to do that to anyone is immoral in my eyes and not something that I would subject to anyone.

That is why I call shenanigans. I am not picturing you as the type that would unjustly expose her to the dangers. Unless I could be wrong. Very very wrong....

What say my fellow foosters?
If this were any other forum, I would say that you are nuts. But, being FOO, I'd say you are just par for the course.

[Keep in mind that I think your little story is completely untrue in the first place. It may have been something you thought of doing, but you didn't really do it. Instead, you figured you would just write about it as though you had.]

Possibly the best BF troll ever..

I do handle cooking and cleanup differently when cooking for guests (even, or especially, if it's just kids that are friends of my kids). But we don't let any family member lick out bowls or spatulas for reuse regardless of whom the ultimate audience will be.

Possibly the best BF troll ever..

Which is why I call shenanigans! :p

ewwww nasty.

Our terrier has been known to find fine dining snacks in kitty litter. I don't see sharing any food serving items with the aforementioned dog.

+1:twitchy:

How long does it take to wash the bowls with some hot water and soap after the dog licks them? 60 seconds or so?

On the other hand, I've been known to let my dog drink out of my water bottle if I've taken her out for a MTB ride and I can't find or didn't bring water for her....but if I do need to drink from it after that, I open the bottle and don't use the spout she licked. My fault, if I forget extra water for her, so she gets to drink first.

That is why I call shenanigans. I am not picturing you as the type that would unjustly expose her to the dangers. Unless I could be wrong. Very very wrong....
In the case at hand, her issue was yuck factor rather than safety. There are a couple things that are a bit different about her than most women. One is that she lets dogs lick her face all the time including ones we don't own. The other is that she thinks there is something to the inoculation theory and that a certain amount of exposure to germs is probably good, though she prefers a much lower level of "inoculation" than me.

Any well behaved dog that eats on command has been allowed to lick plates in our house for many years -- we call it "eco prewash." I frequently eat off "prewashed" plates rather than pull a clean when she's not around. In the case at hand, I used them for prep since the ingredients were not only hot enough to kill anything but were going to be cooked again.

I did give her food poisoning once about 8 yrs ago -- she became violently ill from undercooked fish (I ate the same stuff and suffered no effects). Since then, I cook her food properly but still eat mine much rarer than guidelines suggest. I also handle food differently if she'll be eating it than if it's just for me.

(I ate the same stuff and suffered no effects)

Then I made the right decision when I sold your body for medical research. I don't really know exactly what time on Saturday they'll be by.

Of course, the proceeds will be donated to Couchology.