Classic & Vintage - was someone saying something about Grail ?

It.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CINELLI-SC-70-s-vintage-race-bike-Campagnolo-Cinelli-/220800208925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3368b7d01d#ht_6195wt_1090

yeah

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140567000579&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

yeah

Who-we, now you're talking. Here's what you do: sell all your bikes. Every last one of them. Buy that bike and a one way ticket to the West Coast. Ride the bike back. Tell your wife about all the money you save on shipping this way. Done deal!

WOWZUH! yes, that one too. what a bike... and big enuf too.

Yeah!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140558065182&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Neal

Who-we, now you're talking. Here's what you do: sell all your bikes. Every last one of them. Buy that bike and a one way ticket to the West Coast. Ride the bike back. Tell your wife about all the money you save on shipping this way. Done deal!

believe me, the thought has crossed my mind already. Though I am already building my px10 to be very similar...but it's not a singer...but it's about the experience...but it's not a singer....but

...but custom decals are not that difficult to make.

My wife would be a singer if I tried to pull that, and it wouldn't be a pretty tune.

My wife would be a singer if I tried to pull that, and it wouldn't be a pretty tune.

Ba-dum-ching

It's nice to ogle, but it's funny too, because even if we could afford it, we'd still be too cheap to buy it.


- Maybe it ain't a grail unless it's 50 bucks?

yeah

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140567000579&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I have been watching this and thinking that you should take a shot. I know you are "phat" w/ T-Town money......c'mon.............;)

Maybe it ain't a grail unless it's 50 bucks?

+1
So true but make my upper limit closer to $100 - just call me the big spender.

I have been watching this and thinking that you should take a shot. I know you are "phat" w/ T-Town money......c'mon.............;)

and still recovering from being unemployed for two months :) But seriously, how much do you think that thing will go for? Not the 2k starting bid...because if it did....

Thank goodness that Cinelli is waaaaay too small for me or I'd be looking into selling the kid for medical experiments.


I'm only kidding . . . I think

Hmm?


http://cgi.ebay.com/Rosa-1984-Ugo-DeRosa-SLX-MINT-No-Colnago-Bianchi-/250840663951?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item3a6744c78f

:rolleyes:why are all these bikes so cheap? :rolleyes:

this one aint' so bad http://cgi.ebay.com/1980s-Cinelli-Supercorsa-road-bike-vintage-mint-/250838471810?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes&hash=item3a67235482#ht_11330wt_1027

Yeah, that Cinelli is too small for me too. But that Singer! Yikes.
I wonder if my wife would notice if I sold her car?
I wonder if I'd notice if I sold my car?
I wonder if there is a liquor store around here I can knock over...

and still recovering from being unemployed for two months :) But seriously, how much do you think that thing will go for? Not the 2k starting bid...because if it did....

Not sure. It seems to have a mish-mash of parts and no internal wiring (or at least I did not see any) so I think it will go lower than expected. If it were my size I would keep an eye on it..........

Just a hair too small and I'd like it to be in better condition:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1990-EDDY-MERCKX-10th-ANNIVESARY-frameset-58cm-used-/160575700305?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25630ebd51

Just a hair too small and I'd like it to be in better condition:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1990-EDDY-MERCKX-10th-ANNIVESARY-frameset-58cm-used-/160575700305?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25630ebd51

Couple of interesting items:

1) Frame is made from SLX, not TSX

2) Frame is unavailable to U.S.buyers, but will ship anywhere else in the world!

Yesterday on ebay a Masi Special ended at over $4,700.

I had thought it was going to sell in the 3K range. Not even close.

It's nice to ogle, but it's funny too, because even if we could afford it, we'd still be too cheap to buy it.


- Maybe it ain't a grail unless it's 50 bucks?

My grail limit is $300. Not many grail bikes at that level. So far, each bike in the keeper fleet has stayed under that figure (one bike was within $5)...

Phew! That was close! If the Singer was local, I don't know if I could find a reason not to do it.

I think we now have an unofficial Grail bike thread.

I know it is not as fancy as the other beautiful bikes here, but since I can afford and really don't need something as fancy as a real Hellenic (I think that is correct) frame or a Hetchens made with the design like this.
http://www.hetchins.org/403.htm


http://www.hetchins.org/pix/hellenic-20.jpg







I would easily settle for one of these, but the top of the line model of course

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa445/apbell3/DSCN3812.jpg (http://s1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa445/apbell3/?action=view&current=DSCN3812.jpg)

Hmm?


http://cgi.ebay.com/Rosa-1984-Ugo-DeRosa-SLX-MINT-No-Colnago-Bianchi-/250840663951?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item3a6744c78f

this one?
http://www.fyxomatosis.com/images/jody.jpg

HA! That's cute. And the fork is definitely not bent. Perhaps warped just a hair, but not bent.

Yeah!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140558065182&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Neal

OMG, how did I miss this!?!?!?! And it ended with NO BIDS?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?

Got my eye on this one now: http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-SEARS-LADIES-HYDROLIC-BRAKE-10SPEED-LQQK-/280686254853?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item415a345b05#ht_500wt_1156

^^ Ahhh, you made me LQQK!!!

It.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CINELLI-SC-70-s-vintage-race-bike-Campagnolo-Cinelli-/220800208925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3368b7d01d#ht_6195wt_1090

Even with shipping, this one is under half the price for the same bike.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200620643078&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

What size do people think the bike above is? 56 or 58?

What size do people think the bike above is? 56 or 58?

Closer to 58 than 56.

Happy to fly over and pick it up for you. :)

Even with shipping, this one is under half the price for the same bike.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200620643078&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

If that one was my size (and it isn't), I'd be on it, much to the chagrin of my wife. And I wouldn't have to sell the kid - just rent him out a few times . . . .

It.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CINELLI-SC-70-s-vintage-race-bike-Campagnolo-Cinelli-/220800208925?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3368b7d01d#ht_6195wt_1090

Totally off-topic, but man...I've seen such better bottom bracket creativity on bikes costing 1/10 as much! Why no fancy cutouts or anything? I know functionally it doesn't make a darn bit of difference, but check this out, for example:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2398/2101622638_189e1b47c7.jpg

With that said, a Zunow is my grail bike. *sigh*

-Collin-

If that one was my size (and it isn't), I'd be on it, much to the chagrin of my wife. And I wouldn't have to sell the kid - just rent him out a few times . . . .

It's a touch too big for me...but...

This is going to be fun...the seller intends to just put the bike in a box and ship :(

Thanks, I never thought of perusing Italy's E-bay. I can not understand a word of it, but I like what they are saying.

Thanks, I never thought of perusing Italy's E-bay. I can not understand a word of it, but I like what they are saying.

I've heard scary things about Italian post...I'm worried about this buy.

Hrm, I have passed on two '60s Cinellis in the past 4 months, each was a thousand. Did I err?

'67 Mod B:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/jetsanchEz/67_cinelli_2.jpg

Unsure, is it a Super Corsa?

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/jetsanchEz/cinelli_skyblue.jpg

Tag for later - I can't see anything on ebay from this PC at work.

Hrm, I have passed on two '60s Cinellis in the past 4 months, each was a thousand. Did I err?


Unsure, is it a Super Corsa?

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j103/jetsanchEz/cinelli_skyblue.jpg

Maybe not on the blue one, but that silver one may have been worth every penny. Can't figure out that crank, tho'.

Unsure, is it a Super Corsa?


No. Both are Bs. I like the blue one, it looks older than '67. And the seat would be really comfy. ;)

Yesterday on ebay a Masi Special ended at over $4,700.

I had thought it was going to sell in the 3K range. Not even close.

....that was one cool bici ...no?

No. Both are Bs. I like the blue one, it looks older than '67. And the seat would be really comfy. ;)

That seat is something.

Thanks, I never thought of perusing Italy's E-bay. I can not understand a word of it, but I like what they are saying.

Try searching "ancien velo" on French ebay. Much cooler stuff even though I have no interest in owning anything French. Last week this Clement sold for $1,300.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqQOKjoE3uwecdNtBN8L-o,Lvg~~_12.JPG

Hrm, I have passed on two '60s Cinellis in the past 4 months, each was a thousand. Did I err?


Yes, you did on both occasions.

The crank on the silver bike is a first generation Dura-Ace, factory anno and paint fill.

Maybe not on the blue one, but that silver one may have been worth every penny. Can't figure out that crank, tho'.

The crank looks like a first-gen Dura-Ace that with schmutz on the chainwheels or weird lighting for the photo. Shimano made some of 'em with black chainwheels and black in the crankarm groove. I'm not positive, but it looks right from here.


No. Both are Bs. I like the blue one, it looks older than '67. And the seat would be really comfy. ;)

Here is where I get to learn from fellow C&Vers. How can you tell there are B's and not Super Corsas? I see flat fork crowns instead of sloping ones - is that the giveaway?

Which leads to several other questions. When did Cinelli start using the sloping crowns? And I thought that B's didn't use that unique Cinelli-style fastback arrangment, that only SCs had them. Am I wring about that?

Thanks in advance for the info.

Here is where I get to learn from fellow C&Vers. How can you tell there are B's and not Super Corsas? I see flat fork crowns instead of sloping ones - is that the giveaway?

Which leads to several other questions. When did Cinelli start using the sloping crowns? And I thought that B's didn't use that unique Cinelli-style fastback arrangment, that only SCs had them. Am I wring about that?

Thanks in advance for the info.

The Mod. B and the SC both used the fastback seat stay. The Mod. B had the flat (Fischer?) fork crown, the SC the sloping. The SC had either Columbus (usual) or Reynolds 531 (rare) tubing and the Mod. B had Falk (Falck). There may be geometry differences but I don't know as my "B" and "SC" are different sizes (and years).

In addition to vjp's comments, the SCs tended to have a bit more chrome but and have seen Bs with plenty of chrome too.

For the tubing, I have seen Bs with Columbus and a person with both types have weighed them and found the frames to be essentially the same weight.

Oh, for when they started using a sloping fork crown, I have read in the Internet (take that for what its worth) it was in 1948. But I have seen a 1948/49 cambio corsa Cinelli SC without the sloping crown and without the fastback seat stays.