Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - jimmy johns = brakeless deliveries?

I'm only familiar with one jimmy johns located in downtown raleigh, nc. But I've noticed that several of their delivery riders use brakeless fixed gear bikes. I have no problems with this, but I can imagine several scenarios wherein legal problems may occur for JJ.
I've also noticed the riders run red lights, weave around cars, etc. Again, I don't mind that type of riding as long as it doesn't create traffic problems that otherwise wouldn't occur. I've considered contacting the JJ manager, I doubt he knows what a brakeless bike looks like. But I'm not inclined to act on things that don't directly affect me. Right?

Was your sandwich hot, delicious, and on time? If yes, then **** it.
If no, ***** up a storm I suppose?

dood. brakes will slow down the delivery time for your sandwich.

But I'm not inclined to act on things that don't directly affect me. Right?

Right.

For some, I actually ride my bikes faster w/ a brake, less guessing.

Actually, after reconsidering, I wouldnt want dirty, brakeless hipsters delivering me mainstream sandwiches. Not only is it somewhat ironic, but who knows what manner of sabotage they could carry out upon those sandwiches. Oh the bastards!

I've also noticed the riders run red lights, weave around cars, etc.

I want my mother*&$%ing food.

They aren't dirty, or hipstery. They apparently must wear corporate shirts, and helmets. Which is ironic.

lulz @ "mainstream sandwiches".

Today I was like 6 inches from being right-hooked by a Dominoes pizza driver. *shrug* Not much you can do.

Put yourself in a car drivers place. The light turns green before you get to it, you cruise through and wham take out a rider. Hmmm, he's working for JJ. Hey, no brakes on the bike. Okay, JJ will pay for the my car damage and his med bills, cool!

There are lots of silly things to worry about in the world.

this is clearly a shill promoting jimmy johns in a very subtle way... because now I really want some!

Their sandwiches aren't really that good, just fast. And I'm not "worried" about it, just observant, and bored.

I worry that you don't like JJ

There are so many better options. Today for example there was a real-deal down east NC barbq stand set up not 200' from JJ's, sandwiches for $5, made from free range grass fed organic happy pigs, etc., yet there was a line out the door of JJs. No clue.

You should ask Tom about Jimmy Johns delivery riders.

How far do they deliver?

I'm only familiar with one jimmy johns located in downtown raleigh, nc. But I've noticed that several of their delivery riders use brakeless fixed gear bikes. I have no problems with this, but I can imagine several scenarios wherein legal problems may occur for JJ.
I've also noticed the riders run red lights, weave around cars, etc. Again, I don't mind that type of riding as long as it doesn't create traffic problems that otherwise wouldn't occur. I've considered contacting the JJ manager, I doubt he knows what a brakeless bike looks like. But I'm not inclined to act on things that don't directly affect me. Right?

I wouldn't worry about it unless it's a real problem in your area.

As far as the Brakeless riding goes, on a Fixed Gear, it really isn't an issue. I ride fixed, and the only time I ever use my brake is on a long downhill if I don't want to hold my speed with back pressure on the pedals. I can stop faster using the rear wheel and a skid or using controlled back pressure on the pedals than I can with the brakes. Consider the fact that they are very experienced riders, doing it messenger style. The only real risk is to themselves.

By the way, this 51 year old races them on Purdue campus all the time and at the worst, I keep up and often leave 'em in the dust. :p

JJ bike delivery guys at the JJ on State Street in Madison WI ride brakeless. Or at least two of the bikes / guys I see the most do. They seem to do quite well. Pretty cool guys to talk to when I go get my sandwiches too btw.

.chris

Was your sandwich hot, delicious, and on time? If yes, then **** it.
If no, ***** up a storm I suppose?

You know that Jimmy John's doesn't make hot sandwiches, right?

JJ delivery guys are great, they buy all my used parts in cash from CL

We recently got mandated to use brakes at my store. Since I already use a front brake on my work bike check out my JJ funded brakes for my cross bike http://www.trpbrakes.com/category.php?productid=1040&catid=185

...I have no problems with this...I don't mind that type of riding...I've considered contacting the JJ manager...But I'm not inclined to act on things that don't directly affect me. Right?



don't worry about it they're not riding your bike, they're not hurting you. mind your own business and order from a different sandwich shop if it's keeping you up at night.

there are countless members of this forum who can and do ride safely without brakes on a daily basis. i also see idiots who nearly kill themselves because they don't know how to properly stop their brakeless kilos on the way to the meat hook on an almost daily basis. don't worry about it.

^ don't worry about what I'm worried or not worried about ( I already stated I wasn't "worried about it"). Sounds like you are the one who is "worried".

Dude, why are you so worried about what we're worrying about in regard to whether or not you're worried? Sounds like you need to relax. Get a massage or something.

don't worry about it.
And I'm going to holden beach today, to relax.
bringing my bike to ride down there too.
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I'm worried. :lol:

Not sure if the delivery drivers are classified as independent contractors or not.

If so, JJ may be absolved of any liability (depending on the laws of the state).

Now I wanna' quit my 9-5 consulting job and ride for Team JJ. Sounds like they're having all the fun...

Being a JJ deliver guy has it's perks I'm sure. I can't tell you how many times friends and I have ordered Jimmy Jones and when the guy got there he hung out and had a beer with us.

well once, but whatever

There are so many better options. Today for example there was a real-deal down east NC barbq stand set up not 200' from JJ's, sandwiches for $5, made from free range grass fed organic happy pigs, etc., yet there was a line out the door of JJs. No clue.

I used to live near a positively fantastic homemade ice cream place. Wonderful, original flavors and no fear of good, fat cream. The Dairy Queen next door invariably had a line out the door; the awesome place went out of business.


I can stop faster using the rear wheel and a skid or using controlled back pressure on the pedals than I can with the brakes.

Über-moderator be trollin'?

you won't get your food very fast if the delivery guy is waiting for the cop to finish writing a ticket for no brakes :lol:.. course, i doubt that happens often, if ever

Why not ride brakeless. Between the lack of benefits, ****ty pay, and union busting, I wouldn't see much incentive to preserve my life. hahaha

Damn all this sandwich talk! MMmmm...

I'm worried. :lol:

I'm not sure whether I should be worried or not. :rolleyes:

I'm only familiar with one jimmy johns located in downtown raleigh, nc. But I've noticed that several of their delivery riders use brakeless fixed gear bikes. I have no problems with this, but I can imagine several scenarios wherein legal problems may occur for JJ.
I've also noticed the riders run red lights, weave around cars, etc. Again, I don't mind that type of riding as long as it doesn't create traffic problems that otherwise wouldn't occur. I've considered contacting the JJ manager, I doubt he knows what a brakeless bike looks like. But I'm not inclined to act on things that don't directly affect me. Right?

I was hanging out at the raleigh convention center a few weeks ago and a there were 3-4 riders there w/ brakeless fixed gears hanging out on Fay st near the JJ there. Maybe workers off duty or friends of theirs. Tons of people were at JJ, and that horrible organic pizza place as well.

/coolstorybro

Not sure if the delivery drivers are classified as independent contractors or not.

If so, JJ may be absolved of any liability (depending on the laws of the state).

They're not. You get a pittance hourly wage and a W2.


Being a JJ deliver guy has it's perks I'm sure.

Not true.


Why not ride brakeless. Between the lack of benefits, ****ty pay, and union busting, I wouldn't see much incentive to preserve my life. hahaha

This. I worked for them for almost a month. Most depressing job ever. And the sandwiches are ass.

I've considered contacting the JJ manager, I doubt he knows what a brakeless bike looks like. But I'm not inclined to act on things that don't directly affect me. Right?

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I have two friends who deliver for Jimmy John's and ride brakeless fixed. Haha. Actually, one of them ran into a car the other day and he just kept going... Although it was a situation where a brake wouldn't have helped.

Ive seen 100x more company truck and car driver's pull dangerous, ignorant moves in traffic.
I'm way more concerned with those dangerous fools than a few guys on brakeless Kilos carrying subs in their bags.

This. I worked for them for almost a month. Most depressing job ever. And the sandwiches are ass.

were you reading "Industrial Worker"s coverage of all the IWW protests and what not? Apparently they made alot of headway. I've noticed tip jars at my local JJ locations.

You know that Jimmy John's doesn't make hot sandwiches, right?

Ha, I raised an eyebrow when I read that comment too. Ộ_o

Today I was like 6 inches from being right-hooked by a Dominoes pizza driver. *shrug* Not much you can do.

Write up exactly what happened, then spend the next 3-6 months eating a crapload of Papa John's. Staple your writeup to copies of the receipts and send it to the local manager and to Dominos corporate. For that matter, a copy to Papa John's might either be seen as a nice touch or a reminder to keep their drivers on a tight rein.

Ive seen 100x more company truck and car driver's pull dangerous, ignorant moves in traffic.
I'm way more concerned with those dangerous fools than a few guys on brakeless Kilos carrying subs in their bags.

This...all day every day.

WTF is Jimmy John's anyway???

It's a joint that sells thinly crusted synthetic pillow stuffing, slathered with vomit and reconstituted mayo.
Seriously, that was one of the worst sandwiches I've eaten in my entire life. If I somehow found myself working with them, I'd ride brakeless with a freewheel.

Yeah, man...Jimmy John's sucks.

Yeah, man...Jimmy John's sucks.

but does it suck worse than Subway? If I eat Subway I can set a watch to having to make a porcelain deposit exactly 20 minutes to the second later. Talk about fillers and perservatives, ick.