Eastern Canada - Hey Toronto --- why the hell did you elect this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nySs1cEq5rs

Not only does he make stupid comments, but I hear he wants to remove your bike lanes. When is he up for re-election

The promise of cost controls and tax reductions go a long way with his ilk. You know, the fat non athletic, pathetic crooks that seem to permeate government.

"why the hell did you elect this guy" QUOTE john gault.


Rod Ford was chosen by the voters of the City of Toronto due to the simple facts that "We The People", to borrow an American term,

were fed-up being lied to, raped and pillaged, by the former government of those left wing liberal progressive/NDP/communist

slime balls. (Not that it's any of your business, being from The State of Florida and all.*)



"Not only does he make stupid comments" QUOTE john gault.


Your presumption, not mine. (Also see above.*)



"but I hear he wants to remove your bike lanes." QUOTE john gault

He and others want to remove some bike lanes and add others. (Not that you would understand any of the attributes. - See above.*)



"When is he up for re-election (?)"


Three and one half years. (Also see above.*)



Regards,
J T

<<Hey Toronto --- why the hell did you elect this guy>>

Wasn't me, I swear! :notamused:

He wants to take lanes that were put in last year out which sounds like a waste of money to me. He also wants to dig subway tunnels rather than put in the already planned street cars and LRT. That'd cost even more money and take more time. But at least he got rid of the road tax.

This afternoon I was to take the Queen car (Main east/west tracked trolley street car, for those of you not familliar with our

public transit.) and low & behold, a diesel bus arrived. How amazing it was to watch traffic go past the bus as it stopped to

pickup/dropoff passengers BY THE CURB, whereas if it had of been a tracked trolley car, ALL THE TRAFFIC behind us would be

stopped WAITING for us to move. What a grand idea!

Don't get me started on the St Clair Boondoggle other than reminding all that entire $90,000,000.00? mega project which

destroyed business & introduced much heartache, NEVER HAD ONE SUPERVISOR/OVERSEER - - - EVER! All of the foregoing

brought to us by mindless mayor miller & company.

Ladies & Gents, go ride your bike and obey the Highway Traffic Act; it is written to protect & assist both auto's and bikes.


Regards,
J T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMXH85Y1t-M

OUR Mayor... He Rides and often. :D

....were fed-up being lied to, raped and pillaged, by the former government of those left wing liberal progressive/NDP/communist

slime balls. (Not that it's any of your business, being from The State of Florida and all.*)
...
Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place. My sincere condolences.

BTW, like it or not it's a global world now so it's harder to keep your business to yourself;):)

For the record, I didn't vote for him. :)

“What I’d really like to see is three levels, one for a train, one for the toll and one for regular traffic with no toll and let’s develop on top of the Gardiner and that would pay for itself ... If you’re asking me: ‘Would I pay $5 to get downtown quicker and not knock off 14 bicycle riders on the way down Queen St.?’ I would do it in a heartbeat.”
So the other option is to not pay $5 and knock off a bunch of cyclists on Queen St.? BTW, Queen runs east/west; not sure why he said "down". And a 3 tiered Gardiner? Yeah, that won't be ugly at all and I'm sure all those new condo owners along the Gardiner won't object to the years of construction and noise pollution.

"Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place." QUOTE john gault.

Your claim, not mine.


"My sincere condolences." QUOTE john gault.

The above quote must be "progressive speak", in that it does not apply, and I do not believe you, if/when it ever did/would.


"it's a global world now so it's harder to keep your business to yourself." QUOTE john gault.

Within Canada, proper ID must be shown in order to vote. Within the United States of America, not all States/counties?/cities? have

the same requirement. Am I to believe that you are one of those "undocumented voters", in mind if not in fact?



Regards,
J T

were fed-up being lied to, raped and pillaged, by the former government of those left wing liberal progressive/NDP/communist

slime balls. (Not that it's any of your business, being from The State of Florida and all.*)

<snip>

"but I hear he wants to remove your bike lanes." QUOTE john gault

He and others want to remove some bike lanes and add others. (Not that you would understand any of the attributes. - See above.*)



:rolleyes: Want to get a grip there, J.T.?

You make it sound like you are from some repressive country. Living in Toronto is not the gulag you portray. Then again, you're comments here indicate that anything left of Attilla the Hun is to be hated and trampled upon.

As to the bike lanes, why was the removal of the Jarvis lanes not on the last committee agenda? No chance for discussion was given, which runs right over the rights of the taxpayers whom the present mayor claims he respects.

St. Clair Ave. became a mess because other agencies, such as Toronto Hydro, decided to pile on their work since the road was being dug up anyway. If it had stayed as strictly a TTC project it would have been far closer to schedule.

"You make it sound like you are from some repressive country. Living in Toronto is not the gulag you portray."
QUOTE 1weasel.

You may not agree, but I do believe that it's getting better!


"you're comments here indicate that anything left of Attilla the Hun is to be hated and trampled upon."
QUOTE 1weasel.

Just "fighting" fire with water! (LOL)


"why was the removal of the Jarvis lanes not on the last committee agenda?"
QUOTE 1 weasel.

I do not know, therefor no comment.


"If it had stayed as strictly a TTC project it would have been far closer to schedule."
QUOTE 1 weasel.

Total agreememt if in fact that was totally true, whereas it is not, due as to my previous post: there was no at the head supervision

or direction on the part of the TTC during the entire planning/construction. I well do know about the "other agencies" problem; it

is long overdue for a wholesale revamp, bottom to top.


Regards,
J T

It's Canada Day. Shouldn't yooz be at the cottage drinking you're way through a two-four and eating pogos?

"rather than put in the already planned street cars and LRT." QUOTE jyossarian.


I'll not comment on the "subway business", but will bring your attention to the formerly proposed and with hopefully now dead

LRT (LOL) L'shore route. The City and TTC after having redone the L'shore in it's entirety, desired to rip this up again to install

a TTC right-of-way as was done with St Clair. Should not we be speaking about them pi....g upwind onto a rope!

BTW, what are your views on the "sand-on-the -tracks-for-better-traction', problem? My thought is that the TTC should cease

this action or have their a.. sued off.

On a side note, your thoughts/comment(s) on the arrival of "ACORN", to this city would be appreciated.


Regards,
J T

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as a person who commutes from scarborough, I was disappointed to hear that the pharmacy and birchmount lanes are being removed. not that I used those routes myself, but we need more lanes in scarborough, not less. It's been a frustrating couple of weeks. It doesn't help much that Ford keeps making comments about "knocking down bikers" as a rational for more road ways.

Why did we elect him?

It's worth mentioning that the voter of the old city of Toronto did not elect him. It was the voter in the part of the city that joined with amalgamation- i.e. the more suburban, car-driving people. Ford is from Etobicoke which was its own city not too long ago.

People voted for him because they like his message of being fiscally responsible. It was clear that he was ignorant, compassionless, and not suited to be mayor of the biggest and most diverse city in the country. He promised to cut taxes AND balance the budget without any service cuts, which was clearly never possible and by now it's hurting us. He had a simple message that resonated with people and most people don't read the newspaper and didn't bother to pay enough attention to really have known anything real about him.

Many voters base their decision on little snippets they hear and how they happen to feel about the candidate. I think that that is largely why he was elected.

Why did we elect him?

It's worth mentioning that the voter of the old city of Toronto did not elect him. It was the voter in the part of the city that joined with amalgamation- i.e. the more suburban, car-driving people. Ford is from Etobicoke which was its own city not too long ago.

People voted for him because they like his message of being fiscally responsible. It was clear that he was ignorant, compassionless, and not suited to be mayor of the biggest and most diverse city in the country. He promised to cut taxes AND balance the budget without any service cuts, which was clearly never possible and by now it's hurting us. He had a simple message that resonated with people and most people don't read the newspaper and didn't bother to pay enough attention to really have known anything real about him.

Many voters base their decision on little snippets they hear and how they happen to feel about the candidate. I think that that is largely why he was elected.

Sounds like you're not too happy with the democratic system.:roflmao2:

Sounds like you're not too happy with the democratic system.:roflmao2:

Well, there are always political hacks willing to get on the public payroll by pandering to prejudices and petty resentments. Ford's not the first and he won't be the last. He tends to be more strident and extreme than many, perhaps to make up for his total lack of charisma.

"there are always political hacks willing to get on the public payroll by pandering to prejudices and petty resentments."
QUOTE marmot.


Are you writing about Mayor Ford and his brother, both of whom are succesful businessmen or Jack (never saw a camera/microphone

he didn't like) Layton? (Jack's father & brother (sitting) were/are feeding at the public trough albeit with the Liberal Party, while his wife

presently is a sitting member. NDP.)


"perhaps to make up for his total lack of charisma." (re Ford)
QUOTE marmot.

Heavy lifting is heavy lifting; charisma has little to do with it re the former council's case.

May I add that extreme situations may require extreme measures. (present)



Regards,
J T

I'd written a longer response to J.T. but decided in the end to delete it. No matter how reasoned the argument J.T., like the mayor he idolizes, will refuse to see logic. Knocking your head against that brick wall just isn't worth it.

In other news; Rob Ford's niece is the captain of the Toronto lingerie Football team. I guess leadership runs in the family...

In other news; Rob Ford's niece is the captain of the Toronto lingerie Football team. I guess leadership runs in the family...
Ok, you can't just pop in here with something like that and not provide pictures.;)

Ok, you can't just pop in here with something like that and not provide pictures.;)

Careful what you wish for, they may share body types.

here is the Toronto Sun article.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1020067--rob-ford-s-niece-makes-the-cut-for-lingerie-football?bn=1

Getting back on topic, Mayor Ford just voted against grants for a whole batch of beneficial community programs.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1023558--mayor-ford-votes-against-all-community-grants#article

This is in addition to the consultant's report that we cut bike infrastructure, water fluoridation and waste recycling. This administration today announced it was offering 17,000 city employees voluntary severance packages and may resort to mass layoffs in the new year. We've gone from seven years of balanced budgets to this under an ideologue.

To be fair, the KPMG report also said that w/o raising revenues via tax hikes or new taxes, the only other way to cut the budget gap was cut services, then mentioned some of the services you listed along w/ the caveat that a cut in services would have further impacts on quality of life, productivity, healthcare, etc.

Remember, the majority of people that came out to vote chose the ideologue. He represents the mandate of the majority, whether the mandate makes sense or not. And while some of those voters may have buyer's remorse, it's clear that a few are solidly in his camp and will support him with bluster, bombast and rhetoric rather than facts, logic and critical thinking.

Let's get rid of the gravy by spending $410,000 to get rid of bike lanes we just put in a couple years ago. We'll also build a network of trails through parks that are too inconvenient to be used by most commuters. (http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1024305--jarvis-st-bike-lanes-to-be-scrapped?bn=1)

I never use those park bike trails. Way to circuitous. You bike towards you work for a kilometer, then north for 500 meters then back the way you came for 250 meters. oh look a duck! Complete waste of time. Plus the ones in scarborough all run along high power electric lines. Sure you lose weight biking but you'll have a brain tumor in five years.

Toronto (the mayor, councillors, city services, etc.) is sending mixed signals. They're getting rid of bike lanes, yet they're growing Bixi. Bixi riders more often than not ride on the sidewalk because there's no network of bike lanes. There's a bunch of disconnected lanes that aren't all that convenient because there's not many and don't go near landmarks or tourist areas. In some cases, they just end such as the one on Queens Quay near Parliament where all of a sudden you run into a sign painted on the pavement that says pedestrians only, no cyclists, and no place for cyclists to go w/o crossing the street. There's even councillors calling for charity events (Ride for Heart, the marathons) that use streets to be moved to the parks because closing the streets and highways inconvenience drivers. It looks like the car is king in Toronto.

Ain't "Progressive Speak" a wonder; words out of both sides of the mouth saying nothing.

(LOL)


Regards,
J T

You're a perfect example JT. Nothing you say is useful.

"You're a perfect example JT. Nothing you say is useful."
QUOTE jyossarian.


Please see below as to what is ascribed to the above; Pot, meet Kettle.
(ROTFLMAO)

Kind regards,
J T



"Remember, the majority of people that came out to vote chose the ideologue. He represents the mandate of the majority, whether the mandate makes sense or not. And while some of those voters may have buyer's remorse, it's clear that a few are solidly in his camp and will support him with bluster, bombast and rhetoric rather than facts, logic and critical thinking."
QUOTE jyossarian.

You'd make so much more sense if I was as insane as you.

"You'd make so much more sense if I was as insane as you." QUOTE jyossarian.


More "Hope & Change", eh?
(ROTFLMAO)

Kind regards,
J T

See? Only someone demented would know what that meant, and cackle at it.

"See? Only someone demented would know what that meant, and cackle at it." QUOTE jyossarian.


My dementia or lack thereof has nothing to do with this, however many voters stateside (I being in Canada)

having elected for "Hope & Change" as promised by the "progressives" aka Democrats, which has unraveled as to

become "No Hope & No Change" or to "No Home & Can You Spare Some Pocket Change" are not "happy campers".


We as Canadians, have finally rid ourselves of the "Progressive" Conservatives, we now being governed by

The Conservative Party, The Liberal Party, read "progressive" have been reduced to rump status without a leader and the NDP

which is neither New nor is it for Democracy, chants it's way only unto Quebec. (LOL)

The City of Toronto voters have thrown out the NDP "Millerites" in favour of "Ford & Company" citing fiscal restraint, with the

provincial Liberals looking for their rat hole in the upcomming election of the provincial Conservatives.


Kind regards,
J T

JT may be crazy, but he has summed up the Toronto, Ontario and Federal political landscape pretty succinctly.

So JT's actually an astute political analyst? The line between crazy and genius is blurry.

"So JT's actually an astute political analyst? The line between crazy and genius is blurry."
QUOTE jyossarian.


"DON"T PANIC!!" Re the above. (LOL)
QUOTE jyossarin.


Kind regards,
J T

...were fed-up being lied to, raped and pillaged, by the former government of those left wing liberal progressive/NDP/communist
slime balls. (
Holy moron alert, batman! Ford has told more ridiculous lies since he's been in office than a sailor on leave in Singapore.

No more gravy! he said. Oh, wait, now that he can't find any "gravy" (what a shocker, no one saw that coming) he's going to start with the layoffs. Personnel shouldn't make up 80% of the budget like it does in Toronto, he says. Well, no, it shouldn't, because it doesn't. It's 48%. New York's is 55%. Most cities are higher than 48% Know why? Because running a city isn't like running a freakin' widget factory, that's why.

No property tax rises this year! Oh, wait, well...

He's a drooling cretin who's in over his head. He's an embarrassment. And he was voted in by rightwing suburban naifs who believed the patently ridiculous lies he peddled. The election was like a nutbar fantasy camp where everything about the left was demonized, and his base lapped it up like the cream oozing out the sides of their Tim Horton's dozen donuts. He's going to do serious damage to Toronto, both domestically and image-wise.

It's always rich hearing rightwing automatons like yourself calling the Miller camp "slime-balls." Your ilk think you can simply repeat something enough until someone thinks it's true, regardless of how baseless it is. The current Bob and Doug Show has already shown how much unthinking ideological nuttiness is at its core, nuance and complications be damned. Toronto is becoming a laughingstock.

The city deserves better than this crew.

Remember, the majority of people that came out to vote chose the ideologue. He represents the mandate of the majority, whether the mandate makes sense or not. And while some of those voters may have buyer's remorse, it's clear that a few are solidly in his camp and will support him with bluster, bombast and rhetoric rather than facts, logic and critical thinking.
This describes the MO of Ford's followers precisely.

Bravo, Rousseau.
I think JT means well, but he is seriously drunk on right-wing Koolaid.

These Ford brothers make me feel literally sick to my stomach.

I am not suprised by your "gut reaction", but do comment on the below from obviously one of your favourites

during the "Miller Regime", and continuing Councilor Paula Fletcher:


"she was elected leader of the Communist Party of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Canada_(Manitoba)) in Manitoba. She stayed on as leader for five years.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Fletcher#cite_note-3) "
QUOTE wiki.


Have a fun day!

J T

My biggest problem with Ford is that he is either dishonest or doesn't know what he's doing. He got elected by saying how much "gravy" there is in the budget, and that he would save a bunch of money without services cuts. Then he said he's do it without "major" service cuts. Now he's talking about laying off people, closing libraries, de-funding community organizations that help the residents of this city!

His brother recently said that the city has more libraries per capita than any other city, and that there are more libraries in Etobicoke than Tim hortons. Both proven to be untrue. Do they even know what libraries are for? Have they visited a local branch in, say, Malvern on a summer afternoon and seen all of the families overjoyed at what is basically a free community centre with books and programs and air conditioning? It's these things that make our city liveable and the people thrive. They have no understanding of that. They live in suburbs and on highways.

There is room for us to disagree and have different ideas, and the elected people have the right to make decisions about government. I respect that. But when people feel free to continually spout B.S., I lose all respect for them and have good reasons to doubt their integrity as public officials and frankly their moral right to be the "fathers and mothers" of our great city.

Ford reminds me of a grotesquely exaggerated version of Larry O'Brien, the greatly unlamented ex-mayor of Ottawa. Larry too was a successful businessman who thought running a city would be easy. People chose to ignore reality and believe his no-tax-hike promises. He got elected in 2006, made a bunch of embarrassing and costly gaffes, failed to hold back tax increases, and spent part of his term on trial for allegedly trying to bribe another candidate (He was acquitted). He ran for re-election last year and was crushed at the polls. The guy is a hugely successful businessman. That didn't mean he could run a city.

Ford reminds me of a grotesquely exaggerated version of Larry O'Brien, the greatly unlamented ex-mayor of Ottawa. Larry too was a successful businessman who thought running a city would be easy. People chose to ignore reality and believe his no-tax-hike promises. He got elected in 2006, made a bunch of embarrassing and costly gaffes, failed to hold back tax increases, and spent part of his term on trial for allegedly trying to bribe another candidate (He was acquitted). He ran for re-election last year and was crushed at the polls. The guy is a hugely successful businessman. That didn't mean he could run a city.

At least you can say "EX-mayor", we have 4 long years ahead watching our city fall apart and become a joke. :cry:

I always thought Mel Lastman was an embarrassment. I was wrong.

At least you can say "EX-mayor", we have 4 long years ahead watching our city fall apart and become a joke. :cry:

I always thought Mel Lastman was an embarrassment. I was wrong.

Indeed, this mayor is already proving that he is worse than Lastman and his term has just begun.