Touring - Helmet VS hat for touring?

So, I religiously wear my helmet in the city (I commute via bike every day and often ride on my days off), but I'm feeling like it'd be nice to wear a hat at least part of the time while touring. Not only would better protection against the sun be good, it'd be nice to not have a helmet cinched down on my head for basically all day.

Anyone out there wear a helmet in the city but not while touring?

I don't wear them for either. I take a helmet sometimes on tours because: I am not adverse to wearing a helmet where it might mater and a high speed downhill during the rain, or something, sounds like a good deal for a helmet. I use a real helmet, not those ones that are made like the packaging a helmet should come in. And I sometimes go through jurisdictions where they are required, so it gets carried. I'm not anti helmet, I just don't wear them because everyone seems to think cycling is more dangerous than driving your car or something. Most of the time I wear a ballcap. My average reading is about 14 mph, and my average speed made good is about 10mph. My top speed is about 18mph when I am not on a steep downhill. I have been past by people on foot sprinting to catch the bus. Touring is not an extreme cycling sport the way I do it.

I could see the logic to what you suggest, the illogic might be that you don't really need a helmet in the city, but it is perfectly possible that a good helmet might be important, depends a lot of the place.

Here in Seattle it is the law to wear a helmet and they DO give out tickets for it. Also, working in medicine for twenty years and having cyclist friends I've seen some **** that makes me want to wear a helmet in the city even if it weren't the law. Maybe even if there weren't any cars around at all just because of the odds since I ride almost every day, most days at least 15 miles.

That said, I agree with you that in a lot of ways cycling itself isn't that dangerous. If it weren't for the cars and we were on dirt roads I don't think I'd bother with a helmet at all. Here in the PNW I always seem to be making wicked descents too. My next little bike camping trip is mostly on quiet country roads, part of it alongside rivers and sloughs so I'm thinking for once, I could do without the helm for part of my trip.

I carry my helmet along on tour. It's comfortable in the rain and is worn whenever I find there's a risk of getting hit by some blind car driver or in other situations where it might be a good idea, like a steep decent fe. On nice country roads with almost no traffic and good overview, I usually don't wear it. Just strap it on top of the luggage than. Better carry one along than regret not carrying one when you end up on some crappy road with cars passing by at 90kmph with nowhere to go for cyclists...

I'm definitely going to bring it, as I have a 7 mile ride through town to get to the train station (and home on the trip back). I guess I want some reassurance that some other folks sometimes doff their head armor on tour! :D

My philosophy is that if you think that a helmet is a good thing to protect your noggin then wear it all the time. With seat belts I grew up that way and never questioned or thought about it whether to click it or not. I didn't grew up with helmets and they do cause a bit more discomfort, so it's a struggle for me as well. But still wearing a helmet only in more "dangerous" situations doesn't make sense to me since in less dangerous crashes the bike helmet is much more likely to be effective (personal opinion - no scientific research done).

My philosophy is that if you think that a helmet is a good thing to protect your noggin then wear it all the time. With seat belts I grew up that way and never questioned or thought about it whether to click it or not. I didn't grew up with helmets and they do cause a bit more discomfort, so it's a struggle for me as well. But still wearing a helmet only in more "dangerous" situations doesn't make sense to me since in less dangerous crashes the bike helmet is much more likely to be effective (personal opinion - no scientific research done).

This. As it happens I never wear a helmet because the balance of evidence (much of which, including supposedly academic studies, is very poor) indicates that the increasing use of helmets has not resulted in a significant reduction in injuries. And the incidence of head injuries to cyclists was already pretty low, anyway. But if you decide you want to wear a helmet, wear it all the time. The accident in which it is least likely to do you any good is the one in which you are hit by a car. Even the helmet manufacturers will tell you that their products are not designed to mitigate the forces involved in such crashes - the tests they have to pass merely simulate a simple fall to the ground from seven feet from a stationary position, which is radically less impact than being hit by a two-tonne vehicle at 20mph. So choosing to wear one in town but not when off-roading, say, makes little sense.

I started out wearing one all of the time on tour, but on long climbs in 100+ heat I started taking it off and wearing just a bike hat. Then I went for a few days without it on my Santa Fe Trail tour and really enjoyed the lack of a helmet. In the Sierras last year it was brutally hot and I mostly did without. On the hottest days with the most climbing I am not sure I would have made it with a helmet on. I have not yet decided what I will do on my upcoming pacific coast tour (September). Since it is unlikely to be extremely hot and the climbs are not super long, I will probably wear my helmet.

I wear a helmet both in my regular city life as well as when touring. In the last year I can think of many times when I was glad I was wearing it. My helmet fits comfortably and I really do not notice it.

In general I believe helmets are a good idea. However, I do concur that switching to a hat isn't going to result in instant death, especially if you're riding at touring paces.

That said, one option to consider is a helmet with better venting. The higher-end helmets can be a little more expensive, but you can usually get a slightly older model at a pretty good discount, e.g. via Nashbar.

My normal biking headgear is a Sunday Afternoons hat with a nice wide brim and neck protection.

I'm a slow, cautious rider when commuting or touring. I haven't crashed or fallen off a bike since I was five years old. I have, however, had severe, horribly painful sunburn on my face and ears(right through sunscreen, too). The sunburn feels like the greater risk, most days.

I'll be getting a helmet to wear for RAGBRAI, both to avoid comments from sneery helmet advocates, and because a helmet probably -is- actually a good idea when riding in a crazy mob. I'll keep it with me for the rest of the tour, if only to protect my melon from falling hailstones.

Medic Zero, I've broken two helmets in crashes, in each was unconscious and suffered a concussion. It could have only been worse for me without the helmets I destroyed. The speeds were about 10 MPH for one and about 18 MPH for the other. Brain trauma can occur at very low speeds to the zero MPH of impact. The microseconds that the helmet is absorbing shock can be critically important.

I often hear/read that bicyclists aren't traveling at the same speeds as a motorcyclist, making a helmet less important. I ride motorcycles also and one difference is when crashing a motorcycle (without running into a solid object) the rider can scrub speed by sliding, my bike crashes were suddon stops, one caused by a crack in the asphalt that my front tire fell into.

My family and myself wear helmets, otherwise it's each to their own desires.

Brad

PS I have a cycling cap that fits fine under the helmet, if I need it.

Cycling cap under the helmet , perhaps?

hang a bandanna down the back of your neck, for protection in the sun.

ACA used to sell a summer helmet cover to do that sun off the neck thing.

It's probably safer on a personal basis to wear a helmet. There may be some stuff at work, like the nervousness I feel without one, that make up for it though. I don't think the risk is why people wear them. Otherwise they would wear a Bell car helmet also. In my area the stats show a 10 fold higher risk of death form head injury in a car accident, in the run of a year. Those people just haven't been shamed and brow beaten into compliance yet. The risk of head injury is minor, otherwise the helmets gladly worn wouldn't be such crap. Can I sell you a single bullet, single use body armor, any takers? My helmet is still the original Bell, before they realized selling non-helmets was a better business.

I rarely wear a helmet, but I'd take one along for those times when conditions are sketchy or when you come to troglodyte communities with goofy mandatory helmet laws.

The first few tours I made were without a helmet. I wore a baseball cap with a bandanna covering my neck. Then I read some disturbing information, similar to "bradtx's" comments and began wearing one all the time. Since then, I have seen, or know of several spills that ended with serious head injuries or death, all within town, that the experts state could have been greatly reduced had the individuals been wearing a helmet. While riding on my longest tour, in Alaska, we met a fellow that had just wiped out while going downhill. He had bad road-rash on his arms and legs, and he showed us his helmet....it was broken and caved in, but he had no injuries to his head at all. These incidents have convinced me to wear a helmet all the time, because no one knows when something is going to go wrong, even at slow speeds or in no traffic. When first getting used to clip-on's, I fell twice, once hitting my head on concrete. (I'm very glad I was wearing my helmet). For those that find helmets uncomfortable, I suggest trying different ones until you're happy. As for the sun and rain, I use a visor and/or a kerchief. (I glued velcro to my helmet)

Medic Zero, I've broken two helmets in crashes, in each was unconscious and suffered a concussion.

me too, both on tour, one when my trailer destableized me and i high-sided, one hit by a car in a small town.

at least sign your organ donor card if you're not going to wear one, so someone can benefit from your decision.

at least sign your organ donor card if you're not going to wear one, so someone can benefit from your decision.

+1. A young friend of mine who was a wrench at a local shop got hit at slow speed when a car pulled out in front of her. She hit her head on the ground. She was not wearing a helmet, suffered a closed head injury as a result and was in a coma for a while. I went to see her in the hospital after she came out of the coma but still had the breathing tube in. It was most disturbing. I almost became ill and needed a stiff drink afterwards. And I have known plenty of other people (including myself) who have hit their heads hard in falls that have had nothing to do with cars or dirt roads.

I guess a helmet is like a life jacket. You don't need it until you need it, and when you do need it and don't have it on, it might be too late.

Y'know, I'm sorry to say that I'm not finding the anecdotes -- as unfortunate as they are -- to be all that persuasive.

First, we simply can't redo the exact same event with the exact same conditions to determine what injuries a helmet would reduce or eliminate.

Second, helmets are very likely to protect a rider from skull fractures and abrasions, but don't mitigate concussions. Most anecdotes don't acknowledge this limitation.

Anecdotes are also offered highly selectively (e.g. a pro-helmet person isn't likely to cite an anecdote that supports an anti-helmet position), and are statistically insignificant. Although scientific data may be somewhat unclear on this point, anecdotes are never a substitute for objective data.

Y'know, I'm sorry to say that I'm not finding the anecdotes -- as unfortunate as they are -- to be all that persuasive.

First, we simply can't redo the exact same event with the exact same conditions to determine what injuries a helmet would reduce or eliminate.

Second, helmets are very likely to protect a rider from skull fractures and abrasions, but don't mitigate concussions. Most anecdotes don't acknowledge this limitation.

Anecdotes are also offered highly selectively (e.g. a pro-helmet person isn't likely to cite an anecdote that supports an anti-helmet position), and are statistically insignificant. Although scientific data may be somewhat unclear on this point, anecdotes are never a substitute for objective data.

Quite true that this forum isn't a research facility with repeatable testing procedures. Just some folks expounding about their personal experiances, both for and against the use of helmets. I feel better when my kids wear a helmet, and that's good enough for me.

Brad

I speak for myself as a former physical education teacher, and now insurance agent. Ha! Recently I dissociated with a bunch of wannabe tourers - some of whom were dissing me that I didn't wear a helmet during our short 80 mile (estimated, total distance 120km) tour on rural roads. One near accident that could have happened to me (which is FAR RARE) was when one girl in the group was cycling in slippers (heavens forbid!) and one slip dropped off. The guy immediately behind her, say, 30 ft behind, kind of slowed down and shifted left (the roads in Malaysia are right-hand drive) and then he BRAKED TO A HALT... when I was not aware of his intentions to STOP, he didn't give a verbal cue, and I was clueless that was the girl's slipper. It has always been my habit to ride with fingers on the brakes, and I could have collided into the back of his bike at probably 12 to 15 mph with full touring load (3 rear bags, 2 front bags and handlebar bag). The irony of this incident was that the girl, was TELLING me to wear a helmet. And both of them are drivers - when I have no driving licence. By my insurance line of work, it does not matter if the cyclist gets banged on the head from a fall without wearing a helmet, but it DOES make a difference if it's a motorcyclist - being a powered vehicle. The guy later tried to get me to admit that if i got a fall... bah! Both of them are bloody guilty of unsafe practices, and I got away by being situationally aware. This incident happened just under 10 miles into our ride for the day's worth of about 30 miles.


The accident in which it is least likely to do you any good is the one in which you are hit by a car. Even the helmet manufacturers will tell you that their products are not designed to mitigate the forces involved in such crashes - the tests they have to pass merely simulate a simple fall to the ground from seven feet from a stationary position, which is radically less impact than being hit by a two-tonne vehicle at 20mph. So choosing to wear one in town but not when off-roading, say, makes little sense.

The above I agree - when one is given a 50 mph wham from the back by a car, it's hard to pinpoint on statistics what the outcome may be.


In general I believe helmets are a good idea. However, I do concur that switching to a hat isn't going to result in instant death, especially if you're riding at touring paces.

Precisely!


I have, however, had severe, horribly painful sunburn on my face and ears(right through sunscreen, too). The sunburn feels like the greater risk, most days.

I'll be getting a helmet to wear for RAGBRAI, both to avoid comments from sneery helmet advocates, and because a helmet probably -is- actually a good idea when riding in a crazy mob. I'll keep it with me for the rest of the tour, if only to protect my melon from falling hailstones.

Yup. In insurance terms in Singapore (that's where i am!) skin cancer is excluded under Major Illness/Dread Disease/Critical Illness insurance, as the odds are stacked fairly high. Imagine my chagrin when I was TOLD by that girl to WEAR A HELMET. Gee... and yes, she and the other guy are my "crazy mob"...

All that being said... I do practice wearing a sunhat (http://www.frillneck.com.au) for rural/backroad riding or commuting, and a helmet when going through cities or heavy traffic.

Y'know, I'm sorry to say that I'm not finding the anecdotes -- as unfortunate as they are -- to be all that persuasive.

First, we simply can't redo the exact same event with the exact same conditions to determine what injuries a helmet would reduce or eliminate.

Second, helmets are very likely to protect a rider from skull fractures and abrasions, but don't mitigate concussions. Most anecdotes don't acknowledge this limitation.

Anecdotes are also offered highly selectively (e.g. a pro-helmet person isn't likely to cite an anecdote that supports an anti-helmet position), and are statistically insignificant. Although scientific data may be somewhat unclear on this point, anecdotes are never a substitute for objective data.

All true. There's loads of debate, and links to the research, in the "helmets cramp my style" thread in Advocacy and Safety. There's no point, I find, in trying to persuade people. Those who have hit their heads with a helmet on are convinced their helmet saved them, while those (like me) who like data, point to the fact that more people wearing helmets doesn't seem to have reduced the number of head injuries. So either more people are falling on their heads these days (possible) or most people who banged their heads without a helmet on survived OK (probable).

Either way, I stand by my earlier point. If you believe a helmet offers significant protection you should wear it all the time, not just when you think you're at risk from vehicular traffic. And if you don't, by all means wear a hat. I favour a safari hat (http://www.orvis.com/store/product.aspx?pf_id=1K9E&cm_ven=performics&cm_ite=875&adv=875&cm_cat=African%20Safari%20Journals&cm_pla=NO) when touring in hot weather.

me too, both on tour, one when my trailer destableized me and i high-sided, one hit by a car in a small town.

at least sign your organ donor card if you're not going to wear one, so someone can benefit from your decision.

It doesn't matter if the discussion is debating pros and cons regarding smoking, wearing life jackets, driving while texting or using a cell phone, or wearing a helmet while riding a bicycle....those that are guilty of continuing to smoke, not wear life jackets, drive while texting etc., or refuse to wear a helmet, always rationalize or make excuses in an effort to continue "doing their thing" for fear they won't "look cool" if they do. (they don't look so cool when you visit them in the morgue or hospital either)

I always wear my helmet on tour. Always. I've had my fair share of falls, wipe outs, and getting hit by a car. Safety is nothing to joke around with.

I prefer to wear my helmet, having said that there are occaions I'll it have it tied on the back, i.e. hot day on a quiet road.

"It doesn't matter if the discussion is debating pros and cons regarding smoking, wearing life jackets, driving while texting or using a cell phone, or wearing a helmet while riding a bicycle....those that are guilty"

Guilty? Whatcha talking about? Wearing life jackets is most like bike helmets, if you aren't drinking, there are many situations where the jacket is pretty much useless, and some where it is dangerous, like aerated water. If you can't swim, it makes sense, in many situations they aren't going to work because you will be unconscious with your face in the water. My thing is I have been doing this stuff for forty years and have a hugely more calibrated safety approach, than wear a helmet, or don't, or a jacket. Actually as I age I will reconsider, because there are some new risks that take one more back into the child vulnerability area. But to make it seem like there is one responsible behaviour and it comes down to rote application of a device is pretty silly.

Smoking and texting are different, because they imperil others. I think that applies to seat belts also.

"for fear they won't "look cool" if they do."

I find the helmet nazis are so prevalent it is not cool to not wear them in among "serious cyclists"

My bottom line is if you advocate helmets and don't wear a real one, or wear them in cars, you aren't for real.

Not that I particularly think the OP's question was about helmets pro and con.

Any how , protect your skin from the sun , hat on your head, or under your helmet
and, a bandana around your neck,
to keep the back of it from getting scorched,
melanomas are deadly,
in case you haven't heard.

Helmet, bottom line. If I get on a bike that moves more than 20 feet, the helmet goes on. I've busted two helmets due to accidents and have a close family friend that wasn't wearing one and has some possible long-term damage due to a no helmet accident. Go ahead and justify it any way you want, but you are better off wearing one than not. (steps down off his soapbox)...

I always wear a helmet. I've crashed a few times and bought new helmets as a result. Most manufacturers will give you a discount when you bring in your crashed helmet. I've never had a head injury. It just depends on how much your brain is worth to you. Mine is worth at least $100, maybe more.

Tips when you crash: keep hold of the bars. Go down hanging on to them - never put out an arm. If there's an obstacle coming up, like a car pulling out right in front of you, lock up the rear and lay the bike down, wheels toward the obstacle. If you go down flat and you're skidding, push your helmet into the pavement as hard as you can. This will lift your face out of contact and will take some pressure off your upper body, also. I've done all these things at least once, and I can tell you they work. And buy the best helmet you can afford. More vents are better, definitely. If you ride slowly, you might be better off with an MTB helmet. Their venting is designed differently and works better at low speeds, while road helmets ventilate better at higher speeds. Talk to your LBS.

Continuing the common reason for helmetless riding. 90+ F or 85+ F climbing helmets optional. To put it in perspective the last time I went helmetless in the city was 6 years ago when I left my car (with the helmet in it) in the parking lot of a bar. Funny thing, a cop busted me for it on a mup. ...karma...

most of my touring was before training and racing with a racing club. I wore a bike hat and was lucky enough to not crash on my head. Then I started riding a LOT more at high speed with the racing club and wore a helmet as expected and crashed occasionally only once on my head. Now I might take the helmet off for slow uphill climbs but I can just as well pour water through the helmet for cooling off. It's easy to carry a little extra water and pour a few oz. on my head to stay cool.

Rode a lot on western Ireland in my rain gear with the hood up, over my head.

Trip was in March and April.