Bicycle Mechanics - Anyone got a source for small-order cheap bulk spokes?

I was able previously to get cheap bulk spokes from Niagara Cycle Works in small numbers to replace broken spokes or for building up the occasional wheel; they have since stopped carrying them. Now I'm faced with the choice of buying a large quantity of cheap spokes in a given size (which I will likely never use), or buying premium quality spokes at a much higher price (which makes little sense for replacing broken spokes on fairly cheap old wheels). If anyone can point me to an alternate source for bulk spokes where specific quantities can be ordered as necessary, I'd be very grateful. Thanks.

Wow, 6 years and I am the first viewer of this thread? Don't know why no other responses; however since it is now resurrected I would be interested in a source too.

If you guys were to use a search engine and have the patience to actually go 4-5 pages in the results instead of flaking out with ADD after the first dozen links - you'd have a source.

=8-)

How about a bike shop? They'll be quite expensive compared to online prices, but you don't pay shipping and don't have to wait. You'll only be buying a small number anyway.

I searched, I swear. I found only one source that seemed to sell anything other than fixed-quantity packaging, and those started over a dollar a spoke. Fine for one or two, but too much for rebuilding a whole wheel, at least a cheap old one. Niagara sold basic straight-gauge spokes for somewhere around 0.30/ea, IIRC.

LBS might work, but again, fine for one or two in a pinch, but not when I want to rebuild an older wheel rather than risk continuing problems with spokes breaking.

And it's not six years old; I just posted it earlier today.

You can check with http://www.danscomp.com/shop-PARTS/Spokes.html and they should have Sapim spokes cut-to-order. But I don't know shipping or handling.

Thanks very much, gyozadude. That site looks quite promising.

Wow, 6 years and I am the first viewer of this thread? Don't know why no other responses; however since it is now resurrected I would be interested in a source too.

? Seems to be a recent post?



Not sure what you consider low-cost, but they sell singles for as low as 19 cents:

http://www.bikepartsusa.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?&category=spoke&query=&q1=&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=&q6=&q7=&q8=&q9=&q10=&template=&orderby=INVENTORY.store_price%20ASC%2CINVENTORY.brand&start=0

I thought this would have been answered correctly in a jiffy, guess not.

Anyway, http://www.cambriabike.com/ http://www.icyclesusa.com/

and from time to time this site does sell individual spokes but they're not always on the site for reasons I don't know http://www.niagaracycle.com/

I don't know why some people will just jump in a thread like this and say "google". I mean how could someone know that some sites for example have individual spokes some of the time and not all of the time. Anyway...

BTW, I prefer DT Swiss Champion spokes (2.0/14G and 12mm brass nipples). And here's a spoke calculator: http://lenni.info/edd/ (you can put in your own value for the ERD)

Boxed counts of 50 are the most basic quantity.

I thought this would have been answered correctly in a jiffy, guess not.

Anyway, http://www.cambriabike.com/ http://www.icyclesusa.com/

and from time to time this site does sell individual spokes but they're not always on the site for reasons I don't know http://www.niagaracycle.com/

I don't know why some people will just jump in a thread like this and say "google". I mean how could someone know that some sites for example have individual spokes some of the time and not all of the time. Anyway...

BTW, I prefer DT Swiss Champion spokes (2.0/14G and 12mm brass nipples). And here's a spoke calculator: http://lenni.info/edd/ (you can put in your own value for the ERD)


hybridbkrdr:

Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want. They expect to be able to do a search that every time gives 'em exactly what they want in the first 3 listings on the first result page...or else they bail out and whine:

"I can't find blah blah blah!..."

1. There are several folks in the US who provide generic spokes in singles, custom-cut and in-bulk - but you are not going to find 'em unless you have the patience to actually scroll down the search result page and be willing to click 3-5 pages in. Same for mid-range and higher end spokes.

2. There are at least two people in the US who hand-build from start to finish basic and replacement alloy bicycles wheels - i.e., not 20 minute wheels - but you have to be willing to actually scroll down the search result page and be willing to click 2-5 pages in.

Why? They are smaller operators who can't afford to pay the Google and Yahoo tax to promote their pages in search engines indexes...and those who want instant gratification for their search results can't be bothered to find 'em.

It's like sitting by an apple tree wanting an apple to fall - and when it does - refusing to pick it up because the oh-so-kind tree dropped it 2 feet too far to your right.

=8-)

hybridbkrdr:

Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want. ...
It's like sitting by an apple tree wanting an apple to fall - and when it does - refusing to pick it up because the oh-so-kind tree dropped it 2 feet too far to your right.

=8-)

Mrrabbit:

Do you ever think your posts are condescending? Your analogy is wrong. Telling someone to search Google for something they are not experts in, is not analogous to waiting for a single apple to fall and being too lazy to pick it up. Rather it is far more akin to having 10 thousand apples fall and having to turn over each one to find if it's good or bad. It's perfectly plausible that not everyone knows what to search for. There's no need to assume the worst in people. Being helpful and staying helpful might be good for the soul. But telling other folks who are trying to be helpful to cease and desist steps over the line is just being mean. No money is changing hands. We're just educating folks on good deals.

hybridbkrdr:

Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want.

This could be true; however you are making a big assumption that posters are in this category.

I ordered individual spokes from a LBS for a small wheel build I did. They were Union brand, straight gauge stainless. Not expensive. I was able to get the exact number plus a few spares without ordering a whole box.

Thanks very much to all those whole replied. I'm sure I'll be able to source what I need from the various places listed.

My LBS offered a good discount on a special ordered box, of 50,
if I took the whole thing.

Anyone got a source for small-order cheap bulk spokes?


do the words "small order" and "bulk" or "Cheap" and "spokes" belong together? by small order do you mean one or two boxes? or half a dozen of one size?

unless you are a flipper trying to make $500 on a huffy why buy and use cheap spokes? IMHO if it isn't DT or WheelSmith it is not worth the time to install it.

Have to say that opinions here seem to be free-flowing, but quite rigid and narrow-minded. In asking a simple question, it has been suggested that I am lazy, potentially a practitioner of exploitative business practices ("a flipper trying to make $500 on a Huffy"), and cheap. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but precisely what individuals hope to gain by aggressively and publicly suggesting that anyone who does not share their particular approach is simply wrong (at best) is unclear to me. It certainly doesn't encourage civil and constructive discussion. Please understand, I have a thick skin and am not personally offended (or even affected) by these statements; rather, I am simply bewildered as to why such an innocuous question would give rise to such vitriolic responses.

Once again, my thanks to those who contributed useful and pertinent information.

These guys are pretty cheap and the phone order takers I "spoke" with (no pun intended :D ) were bicycle mechanics that seemed to know what they were talking about.

http://www.huskybicycles.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=hbs&Category_Code=pt

gmt13:

If you have been paying attention at all - the common links provided by several users here have been provided here repeatedly. Yet, the OP was unaware of them...why? Because assuming they even did a search - they clearly ignored the "bikeforums.net" links in the search results they got when searching Google or Yahoo. Of course chances were, they didn't even do a Google or Yahoo search and hopped right into BF and did a straightaway request....

...ignoring BF's own search engine.

I'll call it what it is - laziness.

The BF rules do ask that people do a little research up front before asking questions...


gyozadude:

Was wondering when you'd show up again - and of course this time around you are trying to paint yourself as the "good guy" helping those being picked on by "eenie meanie condescending MrRabbit". Welp, join the club...

So getting back on topic...

So just out of curiousity...after my last hint did you ever bother to search for:

"stainless steel spokes san jose"

...in Google or Yahoo?


Or do you only have to the energy to play "Mr Good Guy" or "Mr. Friendly"?


Please do tell...assuming you are not just a nice helpful guy - but an honest one too.


=8-)

I wouldn't call it laziness. I did some searches before that gave me a ton of links on this site, not always what I wanted to read or find at all.

I have this impression that people who express intolerant opinions like this need to read a book that I read recommended to me by a psychologist called "Feeling Good" by David Burns. It's on false negative assumptions and negative assumptions that aren't completely justified. As a matter of fact, I was so impressed with the book that I ended up reading textbooks on sociology, social psychology and psychology.

I would prefer to see knowledgeable people come out with their opinions they have if they so feel inclined. To jump in a thread simply to tell someone to "go away and do you own research" certainly seems cold and insensitive. It shows a lack of empathy. No, you don't need to feel sorry for people and help them. But, coming in a thread to imply that you know this or that and don't say it, I can't even find a rational justification for it.

I also believe it takes a certain amount of audacity to repeat the same negative opinion when people have already clearly explained differing points of view. Anyway, I guess that is all. I had a former neighbor who was an alcoholic who was just impossible. Guess even if you explain something to some people they just won't get it.

I wouldn't call it laziness. I did some searches before that gave me a ton of links on this site, not always what I wanted to read or find at all.

I have this impression that people who express intolerant opinions like this need to read a book that I read recommended to me by a psychologist called "Feeling Good" by David Burns. It's on false negative assumptions and negative assumptions that aren't completely justified. As a matter of fact, I was so impressed with the book that I ended up reading textbooks on sociology, social psychology and psychology.

I would prefer to see knowledgeable people come out with their opinions they have if they so feel inclined. To jump in a thread simply to tell someone to "go away and do you own research" certainly seems cold and insensitive. It shows a lack of empathy. No, you don't need to feel sorry for people and help them. But, coming in a thread to imply that you know this or that and don't say it, I can't even find a rational justification for it.

I also believe it takes a certain amount of audacity to repeat the same negative opinion when people have already clearly explained differing points of view. Anyway, I guess that is all. I had a former neighbor who was an alcoholic who was just impossible. Guess even if you explain something to some people they just won't get it.


1. Sounds like the same tactic used by "global warming pushers" to smear so-called "deniers" when they can't rebutt on a scientific basis. It's an indirect ad-hom. Careful there...

2. Plenty of us here including yours truly are knowledgeable and helpful - but that doesn't stop us from calling a duck a duck. I'm not the only one...

3. Search engines are plenty, forum engine works...once in awhile some poor OP is going to get dumped on for not doing the obvious BEFORE calling it quits and asking the question.

4. Audicity? No...just requires being straight-up and to the point and honest. "Impossible alcoholic neighbor..." was that another indirect attempt at an ad-hom.

5. Just because something MAY be the truth doesn't make it negative. It's like trying to say "Professional" and "Quality" are the same. While they may be related - they are two different things.

At least when I call "laziness" - I back it up with observation and logic. And of course, logic, especially inductive reasoning, has a crossed fingers factor in it...

=8-)


Google:

"source for small quantities of spokes"
"source for generic spokes"

http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/archive/index.php/t-17331.html
http://www.cyclingforums.com/forum/thread/7943/can-one-buy-generic-spokes


Bike Forums Search:

"buy spokes online"

Will bring up dozens of results - many of which likely have Retro Grouch, Hillrider, FBinNY, myself and others participating because this question comes up over and over.

Only took about 2 minutes for all of the above...

=8-)

Gyozadude...

Where are you?

:p


=8-)

Only took about 2 minutes for all of the above...

=8-)

Oh, the irony.

oh, the irony.

lol

I notice that this thread has served its original purpose
by listing some useful sources for spokes in less than 100
quantities. Kudos:thumb:

As a side show, there seems to be some content devoted
to puzzling out why Mr Rabbit appears willing to devote
considerable typing time to personal diminution of the OP
rather than simply typing a couple of simple declaratory
sentences that answer the question.

As someone who has made the mistake in the past of going
back and forth with Mr Bunny, an observation, if I may be
permitted. The original question seems to be well answered.


Although most individuals have some narcissistic traits, high levels of narcissism can manifest themselves as a pathological form as narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), whereby the patient overestimates his or her abilities and has an excessive need for admiration and affirmation.


Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:[22]

Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.

Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.

Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.

Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.

Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.

Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

So to summarize, Mr Bunny considers himself, by virtue
of his wheel building expertise and professional experience
in the field, to be a master of that particular universe.:D

Certainly, it is possible that he knows more about it than
many of us. :thumb:

Unfortunately, he has a particular personality tendency......
which can actually be healthy if not carried to extreme....
toward the jerk factor.

The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information. But
quite obviously he is not the only person who responds here
who has a great deal of knowledge in this area. Thankfully.:lol:

Take it for what it's worth. The guy who works in Toronto as a
wrench (whose name escapes me at the moment), is another
good example. And in their defense, there are a lot of questions
asked here that have been asked before a great many times that
might be found with the Forum advanced search.

But I agree with most of you that to spend time and energy typing:roflmao2:
out long replies that are essentially designed to demean others
makes little sense, which is why I will now end this one.
............................:deadhorse:

If making making the case = irony...

...then so be it.

So...where is Gyozadude?

:notamused:



=8-)

I notice that this thread has served its original purpose
by listing some useful sources for spokes in less than 100
quantities. Kudos:thumb:

As a side show, there seems to be some content devoted
to puzzling out why Mr Rabbit appears willing to devote
considerable typing time to personal diminution of the OP
rather than simply typing a couple of simple declaratory
sentences that answer the question.

As someone who has made the mistake in the past of going
back and forth with Mr Bunny, an observation, if I may be
permitted. The original question seems to be well answered.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

So to summarize, Mr Bunny considers himself, by virtue
of his wheel building expertise and professional experience
in the field, to be a master of that particular universe.:D

Certainly, it is possible that he knows more about it than
many of us. :thumb:

Unfortunately, he has a particular personality tendency......
which can actually be healthy if not carried to extreme....
toward the jerk factor.

The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information. But
quite obviously he is not the only person who responds here
who has a great deal of knowledge in this area. Thankfully.:lol:

Take it for what it's worth. The guy who works in Toronto as a
wrench (whose name escapes me at the moment), is another
good example. And in their defense, there are a lot of questions
asked here that have been asked before a great many times that
might be found with the Forum advanced search.

But I agree with most of you that to spend time and energy typing:roflmao2:
out long replies that are essentially designed to demean others
makes little sense, which is why I will now end this one.
............................:deadhorse:


1. Actually I don't consider myself a "master of that particular universe".

- Not a master at calculating spoke lengths from scratch for true paired spoke wheels. Guessing and estimating plays a role.
- Not a master at figuring out recommended tension for unlabelled alloy rims. Hence why myself and other builders work with "ballpark" figures. Jobst Brandt has a suggested method...
- No experience at all working with carbon or aluminum spokes. I.e., there is likely someone here who knows something I don't or has done something I haven't.

2. If you were honest, you would have researched my previous posts and topics and noted the following:

a. I do provide help and tips - and have done so many times over in the area of wheelbuilding, spoke length calculation, hub/shell/race defects, tensioning, and troubleshooting wheel problems.

b. That I do not provide "expert" help on other topics such as indexed derailleur systems. In other words, I may know how to set them up and work on them - but because my exposure is minimal I do not position myself in related discussions as an "expert". I even noted at least once that I'll let someone check my derailleur adjustment just to be certain.

c. To summarize "a" and "b" - I stick with what I know and tend to keep quiet on those things I'm short on. Wish I could say the same for many others here...


3. Instead, you chose the "ad-hom" route like previous person and of the same nature. So in response to that...three simple words.

=8-)

If you guys were to use a search engine and have the patience to actually go 4-5 pages in the results instead of flaking out with ADD after the first dozen links - you'd have a source.

=8-)


hybridbkrdr:

Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want. They expect to be able to do a search that every time gives 'em exactly what they want in the first 3 listings on the first result page...or else they bail out and whine:

"I can't find blah blah blah!..."

Why? They are smaller operators who can't afford to pay the Google and Yahoo tax to promote their pages in search engines indexes...and those who want instant gratification for their search results can't be bothered to find 'em.

It's like sitting by an apple tree wanting an apple to fall - and when it does - refusing to pick it up because the oh-so-kind tree dropped it 2 feet too far to your right.

=8-)


gmt13:

If you have been paying attention at all - the common links provided by several users here have been provided here repeatedly. Yet, the OP was unaware of them...why? Because assuming they even did a search - they clearly ignored the "bikeforums.net" links in the search results they got when searching Google or Yahoo. Of course chances were, they didn't even do a Google or Yahoo search and hopped right into BF and did a straightaway request....

...ignoring BF's own search engine.

I'll call it what it is - laziness.

The BF rules do ask that people do a little research up front before asking questions...


gyozadude:

Was wondering when you'd show up again - and of course this time around you are trying to paint yourself as the "good guy" helping those being picked on by "eenie meanie condescending MrRabbit". Welp, join the club...

So getting back on topic...

So just out of curiousity...after my last hint did you ever bother to search for:

"stainless steel spokes san jose"

...in Google or Yahoo?


Or do you only have to the energy to play "Mr Good Guy" or "Mr. Friendly"?


Please do tell...assuming you are not just a nice helpful guy - but an honest one too.


=8-)


1. Sounds like the same tactic used by "global warming pushers" to smear so-called "deniers" when they can't rebutt on a scientific basis. It's an indirect ad-hom. Careful there...

2. Plenty of us here including yours truly are knowledgeable and helpful - but that doesn't stop us from calling a duck a duck. I'm not the only one...

3. Search engines are plenty, forum engine works...once in awhile some poor OP is going to get dumped on for not doing the obvious BEFORE calling it quits and asking the question.

4. Audicity? No...just requires being straight-up and to the point and honest. "Impossible alcoholic neighbor..." was that another indirect attempt at an ad-hom.

5. Just because something MAY be the truth doesn't make it negative. It's like trying to say "Professional" and "Quality" are the same. While they may be related - they are two different things.

At least when I call "laziness" - I back it up with observation and logic. And of course, logic, especially inductive reasoning, has a crossed fingers factor in it...

=8-)


Google:

"source for small quantities of spokes"
"source for generic spokes"

http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/archive/index.php/t-17331.html
http://www.cyclingforums.com/forum/thread/7943/can-one-buy-generic-spokes


Bike Forums Search:

"buy spokes online"

Will bring up dozens of results - many of which likely have Retro Grouch, Hillrider, FBinNY, myself and others participating because this question comes up over and over.

Only took about 2 minutes for all of the above...

=8-)


1. Actually I don't consider myself a "master of that particular universe".

- Not a master at calculating spoke lengths from scratch for true paired spoke wheels. Guessing and estimating plays a role.
- Not a master at figuring out recommended tension for unlabelled alloy rims. Hence why myself and other builders work with "ballpark" figures. Jobst Brandt has a suggested method...
- No experience at all working with carbon or aluminum spokes. I.e., there is likely someone here who knows something I don't or has done something I haven't.

2. If you were honest, you would have researched my previous posts and topics and noted the following:

a. I do provide help and tips - and have done so many times over in the area of wheelbuilding, spoke length calculation, hub/shell/race defects, tensioning, and troubleshooting wheel problems.

b. That I do not provide "expert" help on other topics such as indexed derailleur systems. In other words, I may know how to set them up and work on them - but because my exposure is minimal I do not position myself in related discussions as an "expert". I even noted at least once that I'll let someone check my derailleur adjustment just to be certain.

c. To summarize "a" and "b" - I stick with what I know and tend to keep quiet on those things I'm short on. Wish I could say the same for many others here...


3. Instead, you chose the "ad-hom" route like previous person and of the same nature. So in response to that...three simple words.:love:

=8-)

Did you miss this?


The good part about this is that he does serve as a valuable
resource here on esoteric wheel building information.

Of course, in the world of Mr Bunny, none of the above
appears to be ad hominem. It couldn't be, because it
comes from Mr Bunny. So in all honesty....and the horse
you rode in on.:lol:

Did you miss this?



Of course, in the world of Mr Bunny, none of the above
appears to be ad hominem. It couldn't be, because it
comes from Mr Bunny. So in all honesty....and the horse
you rode in on.:lol:

And he seems compelled to answer people for what reason? Yeah, it reminds me of a weird funny movie I saw where someone said: "F* him and the horse he rode on".

As for the comment implying that I was making a personal attack. Well, I suggest anyone believing that can google "distorted cognitions".

"esoteric"

Um...okay...geez...kinda feel elite and all that. Not my cup of tea though...

Anyone want my spokechart again?

=8-)

"esoteric"

Um...okay...geez...kinda feel elite and all that. Not my cup of tea though...

Anyone want my spokechart again?

=8-)

Lemme 'splain it one last time, amigo.:deadhorse2:

No one on this thread has said either that you do not:thumb:
offer help or that your information is lacking in any way.

In fact, I think your need to appear here and answer wheel
questions is of great benefit to many.:love:


The problem arises in your motivation, which at times appears
to stem from some pathological need to feel better about
yourself..........at the expense of whomever you've chosen
as the recipient of your pent up spleen (AKA elevated jerk
factor.) This is as clearly as I can state it, so I won't do so
again to the benefit of nobody (you seem incapable of accepting
the suggestion.)

Operator often comes from the same corner of the universe.

Nobody comes here to be chastised, belittled, or otherwise to
benefit from your advice on improving their work ethic. Sort of
like you don't show up for my free personality analysis.:D

If you're so aggravated or put upon by a particular thread or
request for information, do everyone a favor and just move along
quietly. There really are others who drop in from time to time who
are capable of providing the information in a more charitable spirit.

And just for the record, I use the Wheelpro site when I need to
do this stuff....and refer my students to it on the rare instances
when I teach this. Roger Musson offers as much or more, and I
don't have to put up with any bull****....... :roflmao2:

"3alarmer"

There are rules...

...and there is common courtesy and respect.

Every once in awhile when I think there is too much:

1. Forgoing the general research for the "obvious" before popping into BF thereby ignoring the forum rules
2. Forgoing a BF search for the "obvious" and thereby displaying a lack of courtesy and respect for those who have provided previous help

...I'm gonna come out and note the obvious behavior.

Laziness - cause they were too lazy to lift two fingers on the keyboard and type "cheap stainless steel spokes" in a search engine or "buy spokes online" in BF's search engine.

I'm a teacher, IT engineer, and have also run a libary for a couple years. I'm happy to help people - but like the folks I've worked with - I'm not here to baby sit those who can't even bother to try.

Go join the "Straight Quill Stem" thread...notice the difference in atttitude.

Got it?


=8-)

There are rules...and there is common courtesy and respect.

And pray tell, what was courteous and respectful about you calling someone lazy a priori to any justification in the OP's original comments? All I saw was presumption of laziness. Frankly, not very courteous. And much more about contempt of a fellow cyclist.



Every once in awhile when I think there is too much:

1. Forgoing the general research for the "obvious" before popping into BF thereby ignoring the forum rules
2. Forgoing a BF search for the "obvious" and thereby displaying a lack of courtesy and respect for those who have provided previous help

...I'm gonna come out and note the obvious behavior.

Obviously, no one ever answered this post from long ago. Obviously, the OP revived this thread. Maybe he/she should have looked further. But, as you should know already, prices are evanescent. Here today, gone tomorrow. Sale links get old REALLY fast. So it was reasonable to just come out and call someone lazy. And that the risk you take if you take it upon yourself to be the curmudgeon that tells all the whippersnappers to use search. Being a teacher should have exposed you to students of all kinds. Some not as self-reliant as others. You don't teach by telling students they are stupid or lazy. Instead, you give them at least the search terms and explain why those terms are universal to search on and relevant and hopefully this motivates them to then go off and search with vigor. You may not know how many times they've actually tried to search a priori before they come onto the board to ask.

And even then, how much skin off your teeth is it to give the links to actual places? Or maybe you're stuck in rock and hard place because it may seema conflict of interest to post a link to your own website that sells spokes for cheap? Hey - if you offer real value that is superior to others, or highly competitive, what's wrong with offering yours, plus a couple of sites?




Laziness - cause they were too lazy to lift two fingers on the keyboard and type "cheap stainless steel spokes" in a search engine or "buy spokes online" in BF's search engine.

I'm a teacher, IT engineer, and have also run a libary for a couple years. I'm happy to help people - but like the folks I've worked with - I'm not here to baby sit those who can't even bother to try.
Go join the "Straight Quill Stem" thread...notice the difference in atttitude.
Got it?
=8-)

At least 9 fingers to touch type the search terms above. Not 2 fingers. And I have search on "cheap stainless spokes" many times and what you get back may be different that what I get back. Didn't you know that search on Google, especially, is not a closed form, consistent solution? Google gives you 0.42 microseconds of compute cycles and caches for that cluster or cloud. Some other query might be delegated to a different cloud to compute. Usually, for most, it's similar. But what you see on page 4 maybe on someone elses page 6 or 7.

BTW, I did find your site in San Jose. If you won't post it, I will. http://www.mrrabbit.net/catalog/index.php

Great prices and for folks in the south bay, it's definitely a place I plan to visit. You see - unlike others who might take your online personna as the way you are in a physical store, I'm still interested in giving all folks a chance in person because they may behave much less than an a**hole face-to-face, plus your past contributions are worth learning from. And I'm still interested in how you fatigue test spokes easily in a garage or bike shop, and I'm still curious as to how a 7.1mm spoke head breaks off if the theoretical yield stress is never reached? And in all the forums that Jobst Brandt was on, he never got a straight answer either to that either.

Was going to answer this thread with a serious answer for the OP but it seems to have gone south so I'll stay out LOL.
But I have a source that sells min. qty of 18 Spokes and 19 Nipples at a good price and any size you'd need.

... Some people quite frankly are downright lazy and can't be bothered to actually spend more than a minute doing an in-depth search for what they want. They expect to be able to do a search that every time gives 'em exactly what they want in the first 3 listings on the first result page...or else they bail out and whine.

This is forum, not a library. Take a minute and search the internet for the definition of these terms and note the distinction. Report back when you catch a clue.

some people annoy us more than they inform us. Rather than responding to them, consider putting them on your ignore list. If everyone did that, then we mods wouldn't have to do so much work.

Looks like my favorite source on ebay has no items for sale right now.

This is forum, not a library. Take a minute and search the internet for the definition of these terms and note the distinction. Report back when you catch a clue.

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Oh, the irony.

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