BMX - Can someone identify this bike?

Would like to know what model mongoose it is. Also maybe a year? I found some similar but this one has different wheels on it. The wheels actually have holes between the spokes but it looks factory. It is too clean of a job for someone to have drilled the rims.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/jamesq/Mobile%20Uploads/07222011051.jpg

Old Mongoose.

Wheels are standard like that. Looks a little like a Californian. BmXMuseum.com would be the place to ask, those guys know their stuff about old school bmx.

Yeah, looks like 36 spokes per wheel, there are hubs that have more or fewer, so the rim is really intended for a 48 or more spoke hub. I have a 2003 Haro Backtrail X-1 that has a pair of 48 spoke wheels. I also find Bikepedia helps to identify, even indicate specs:

http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/BikeSpecs.aspx?Year=2003&Brand=Haro&Model=Backtrail%20X1&Type=bike

FWIW, mine shows Alex X-303 48 hole rims.

http://www.bikepedia.com/

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/mongoose/23666

Yeah, looks like 36 spokes per wheel, there are hubs that have more or fewer, so the rim is really intended for a 48 or more spoke hub.

No, it's not. I Knew a guy in the mid 90s who was riding an old 'Goose, like that. The extra holes you see in the rim are not spoke holes. They're way too big. On the one he had, there was colored plastic inside the rims to fill up those holes. It was more substantial than the typical rubber rim strips.

No, it's not. I Knew a guy in the mid 90s who was riding an old 'Goose, like that. The extra holes you see in the rim are not spoke holes. They're way too big. On the one he had, there was colored plastic inside the rims to fill up those holes. It was more substantial than the typical rubber rim strips.

You are right on this one. I have a set of those wheels that came with a thin, gold, metal tape around for a rim strip. That way the gold shows through between the spokes. Looks pretty cool. I bet this was just another way to tryand make thema little lighter. I'd post a pick but I have them in the attic of the shop.

Thanks for the info. I looked it up some more and finally found the info on google. It's a 1983-ish Mongoose - Supergoose i believe. It's not in too bad shape once i stripped it down and started cleaning. They actually had the original seat under that cover and it was in great shape besides some rust on the rails. most of the chrome is ok except for some areas around the bottom bracket. Wire-wheel is taking care of most. I'm going to just replace the nuts and bolts for the mopst part except some. I'm pretty pleased. I've wanted a classic bmx bike to restore for probably 5 years now and this one came along for free. If anyone has a picture of what the original tires looked like i would appreciate it. Trying to match the size (Width) and tread pattern. Also i think i found grips that match factory but if someone knows what the original grips look like i also would appreciate it.

OK, so they are these particular style rims, just intended to be lighter. 1/3 lb per wheel pair.

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=15006
http://retro-goose.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projects&action=display&thread=493

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My assumption was that I figured someone got creative and found a way to provide a rim that accommodated different hub & spoke counts, with interestingly clever spoke patterns ?

http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/


There are certain problems you have to consider when embarking on a new pattern.

These are:



Number of spokes you can use in the pattern. For example a Crows foot has 3 spokes in the pattern and therefore can only be used on wheels that have the total number of spokes on each side divisible by three. Or put another way the total number of spokes in the wheel divisible by twice the spoke in the pattern. This implies that a Crows Foot wheel can only be built on 18,24,36,48 spoke wheels.

It doesn't take any clever tricks to lace a 48h rim to a 36h hub. Just skip every fourth hole on the rim.

edit: Although I should note that it's easier to lace a 36h rim to a 48h hub, via the same method.

Mongoose, californian are expert depending on the stickers, mid 1980s m-3=1983 m-4=1984 m-5=1985 m-6=1986 and so on those are the factory what they call holeshot wheels and they came on all mid to late 80s mongooses.....whats your sn number? id guess 1984 r 1985!!!

the sticker on your seat down tube should say expert are californian i cant make it out/.....

It doesn't take any clever tricks to lace a 48h rim to a 36h hub. Just skip every fourth hole on the rim.

edit: Although I should note that it's easier to lace a 36h rim to a 48h hub, via the same method.LOL, spent way too much time with a spreadsheet. Assumptions, 20" wheel has a inside diameter of roughly 15", which is roughly 47 1/8" circumference. spoke holes on the inside of the rim would be spaced 1.27362" apart for a 36 hole hub & rim and .9617" for a 48 hole hub & rim. Can't be done with a rim drilled for both 36 & 48 spokes, the 3rd and 4th holes on the rim don't coincide exactly and the holes would be oval where they were closer together at a given point from the valve stem hole. 1/2 way around the inner side of the rim the hole centers might be far enough apart to drill for their own spoke holes ?

yeah those wheels are made for raceing, the drilled holes just make it a bit lighter....if u look u woulda seen the holes are to big for spokes,lol

Mongoose, californian are expert depending on the stickers, mid 1980s m-3=1983 m-4=1984 m-5=1985 m-6=1986 and so on those are the factory what they call holeshot wheels and they came on all mid to late 80s mongooses.....whats your sn number? id guess 1984 r 1985!!!
the serial # starts with m-3. It's turning out to be a pretty fun project.

And the sticker says californian. Glad to know for sure now. I figured the model would be on the top tube like how it is on new bikes. Any idea where i can get replacement decals for the bike? Mine are shot.

yeah those wheels are made for raceing, the drilled holes just make it a bit lighter....if u look u woulda seen the holes are to big for spokes,lolcheese grater ?

ok so its a 1983 mongoose californian....i also happen to own that very same bike rite now!!!! you can get decals made for it on ultrahive,com i believe is the name of the site....