Advocacy & Safety - Making Cycling Criminal

what a bunch of b.s. to bring up that messenger's death. a commercial bike rider is already required to have certain information available at all times pertaining to the businesss, the business number, etc.. they must always display the name of the company on their upper body. obviously none of that helped this poor guy. using his death as an example proves nothing and is a feeble attemp to shock people into supporting her cause. :(

and i still don't understand how getting doored is considered reckless?

Supposedly he was eating his breakfast while he was riding, at least that's what the initial reports said...

Still doesn't help her case; just makes her look Ghoulish.

Obviously she wants tags on bicycles in an effort to ticket, and eventually outlaw cycling in NYC – this is her poorly hidden agenda. However, she attempts (sadly, and ineffectively) to turn her hate toward cyclists into a “safety” issue. Moreover, she disgustingly uses the death of a messenger to champion her bogus cause. This is especially vial given that a dooring inflicted from an illegally parked delivery truck ultimately caused the messenger’s death.

She is a disgusting woman, championing a ridiculous cause. She’ll probably win. :mad:

So optimistic you are?Yoda think you are too gloomy!If you can get enough people in NYC to protest i think you can win.

Of course she'll win because even people on this very forum who cycle on a regular basis think it's all good, a jolly idea, and one that we should stop *****in about.

Is there a web version of the proposed legislation, it is hard to make an informed decision based on what is reported in the paper?

Is there a web version of the proposed legislation, it is hard to make an informed decision based on what is reported in the paper?
I posted a link in this thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=75427&page=6) (scroll down to the last, or second to last, post on the linked page).

I posted a link in this thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=75427&page=6) (scroll down to the last, or second to last, post on the linked page).

Thanks, I got this far:


Every person over the age of sixteen who owns a bicycle shall register such bicycle with the commissioner and provide for the identification of such bicycle by affixing to the bicycle or bicycle seat, in clear view, a metal, plastic or other sign issued by the commissioner, bearing the identification number assigned by the commissioner which identifies the bicycle and the registered owner in lettering and/or numerals so as to be plainly readable at a distance of not less than ten feet and shall maintain such sign in good condition. The department may charge a fee for such sign and identification number not to be more than twenty-five dollars per registration.

Ok, the legislation is just plain stupid, so stupid in fact it will never pass. I imagine a watered down sensible version is forthcoming.

Don't bet on it. As long as Provenzano can point to arrests at Critical Mass and this dead messenger, people will agree with her. And she'll never get voted out of office. Ever. Because people in the City Council are there until they rot.

I think registration plates is a good thing for enforcing the laws, but not the penalties she proposes. Apart from traffic law enforcement, this could aid in tracing stolen bikes. However this should be a state law and not a municipal by-law.

Registration didn't get the double-parked truck that killed that messenger a ticket, so why would it stop crime?

The ideas in this thread are being discussed in much more detail (six pages as of this post) here (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=75427&page=6). Perhaps we should move the conversation back there (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=75427&page=6).

Edit, the Moderators put two nearly identical threads together, so a few of the more recent posts will look a bit disjointed. But, overall, the flow of argument will be better.

I agree, I did not view the other thread brfore this one. I'll continue my thoughts there, thanks.

She seems to have not taken the many hints provided her. Supposedly, there has been a lot of email in opposition, the Daily News, which you would expect would have her back on this, calls her a knucklehead, and even her colleagues have been making a mockery of this. Instead of letting it fade, she drags a dead man into it. Perhaps it's time for a second round of emails, letting her know that this new tactic isn't cricket.

Laika...

Some people put up with crap like she's getting because they're so cocksure they know they're right, you're wrong, and you just aren't smart enough to understand their reasoning. Welcome to Provenzanoland.

She seems to have not taken the many hints provided her. Supposedly, there has been a lot of email in opposition, the Daily News, which you would expect would have her back on this, calls her a knucklehead, and even her colleagues have been making a mockery of this. Instead of letting it fade, she drags a dead man into it. Perhaps it's time for a second round of emails, letting her know that this new tactic isn't cricket.
Silly you, you seem to think she's trying to do something constructive. She knows she's just trying to get press attention, no matter how many bodies (preferably of dead cyclists) that she has to step on.

Registration didn't get the double-parked truck that killed that messenger a ticket, so why would it stop crime?

But if they do decide to issue a ticket they will know where to send it because of the truck registration. I f the police get numerous complaints, that a bike with your registration number has been seen riding on the sidewalk, they could issue you with a ticket.

Whoopdeedoo.

How many hit and runs happen where they never find the driver or car? Tons.

Seriously...

If the idea is to keep track of bikes and owners, say so. If the idea is to make people safer, someone needs to cut the crap.

According to this article (http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/issueoftheweek/20041122/200/1189), the good councilwoman is using her position as chair of a committee to hold up a bill that would let cyclists take their bikes into buildings. She says maybe she'll take up the bikes-in-building bill at the same time she takes up the bike registration bill.

Nice.

But if they do decide to issue a ticket they will know where to send it because of the truck registration. I f the police get numerous complaints, that a bike with your registration number has been seen riding on the sidewalk, they could issue you with a ticket.

Just where are we going to display this highly visible license plate on our bikes? I have a seat bag hanging under my seat, so it wouldn't hang visibly from my seat rails. Do we modify the law to require fenders and cargo racks on all bikes? Where will the front plate be mounted? Will we be required to have a small light shining on it at night so it can be seen, like an automobile?

I for one have a seat bag and on the end of that seat bag is my blinky. You can bet as sure as I'm sitting here if the license plate obscured any part of my blinky I would get some kind of ticket for that.

Provenzano is so clueless she probably thinks bikes are like the old days with banana seats and sissy bars and slapping a Honey Combs license plate on is no big deal.

I have to wonder if this woman has ever even seen a modern bike.

Just where are we going to display this highly visible license plate on our bikes? I have a seat bag hanging under my seat, so it wouldn't hang visibly from my seat rails. Do we modify the law to require fenders and cargo racks on all bikes? Where will the front plate be mounted? Will we be required to have a small light shining on it at night so it can be seen, like an automobile?Well, according to the bill, you will be required to display two 6"x10" steel license plates, one front and one rear. Special frameworks, or "bumpers" will be required to hold them. After dusk and before dawn, they must be illuminated by electric lights, which will be provided power by a combination battery/generator system. To help cyclists with the additional weight these systems will impose, they will be required to install a small motor of at least 8hp, although the bill recommends a much larger motor than that. The pedals,cranks and bottom bracket should be removed to allow for safe installation of the required motor. In addition, given the added weight's propensity for throwing the bicycle off balance, two additional wheels may be installed to assist the cyclist in maintaining balance. Though the "one in the front, three in the back" training wheels method may seem familiar and appropriate to cyclists, the bill requires a "two in the front, two in the back" system, which will greatly enhance stability. In addition, some system of safety restraint will become mandatory. Bicyclists may also wish to install some permanent or semi-permanent structures to protect themselves and their bicycles from inclement weather.

The distinguished councilwoman has thoughtfully provided the following links, which illustrate bicycle configurations she would find acceptable:

http://ford.com/en/vehicles/vehicleShowroom/suvs/default.htm

http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/models/gallery.jsp?model=escalade&df=y

http://www.chrysler.com/pacifica/

http://www.mbusa.com/brand/models/G500.jsp

http://www.hummer.com/

What about this? Bike-pool anyone?
http://www.sudibe.de/fotos/triplets/conferencebike.jpg
Or THIS? Mobile, off-road, pedal powered klan meeting.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/gems/conferenceBike.jpg