Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - Juicing Reboot Experiment

So the other night I streamed a movie from netflix, based on a reccomendation I read here somewhere. The move was Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead (http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/). It follows Joe Cross, and ordinary 300lb guy who decides to only drink juice for 60 days while travelling the country. He ends up losing 80 lbs in those 60 days and seemingly fixes much of what was wrong with his health. He also meets some folks along the way, and inspires a 400lb truck driver to lose over half his body weight.

So I figured, what the heck, I can give it a go for at least 5 days, and see where I'm at. If I feel good, am seeing progress, and have good energy levels, I may extend it further, but lets see how it goes.

This is not really a fast, per se, it's just getting all calories from fresh uncooked fruits and vegetables and concentrating their nutrients into a juice so that you have room to take in the calories you need. Not somethign you can do long term without modification, but at my weight and the way I feel right now, it is worth a shot.

Now I love meat, and coffee, and bread, and crunchy foods so I anticipate this will be a bit rough on me, but I plan to document my full experience here so anyone who might be interested can benefit from my lab ratishness. I'm also hoping this may help my energy levels and improve my headaches which it seems on any given work day I have a 50/50 shot at a headache and a 5-10% chance of migraine.

So here we go. Day 1 and I'm starting off with juice made of carrot, celery, apple, and lemon. It's not bad, but I want coffee.

Day 1
Weight: 380.4
Physical: Sluggish (normal) Headache (normal)
Mental: Hopeful
Exercise: None so far

snip

If you don't mind me asking, how many calories have you planned for intake, and how much exercise will you be doing?

I had gastric bypass a year ago (tomorrow is my 1 year surgiversary), and I have done several limited/liquid only diets by choice and necessity.

I'll not be counting calories, nor will I be restricting the amount of juice I drink. But I was curious so I input the values from the first juice of the day and looks like about 350 calories so far. They say to get 4-6 juices in per day so I'm looking at somewhere between 1200 and 2000 calories per day. (Which is more than one they feed Biggest Loser contestants.) I'll also be drinking a lot of water.

Exercise I'll take by ear, as my energy levels dictate. I eat healthy already but have a very sedentary job and lifestyle which I have been trying to change. I don't plan on going crazy with new exercise during this (likely short) experiment. I understand it can get rough a few days in but energy gets better than normal after the first few days. If it does, I'll take advantage of that and ride more. Right now I don't get very far on the bike anyway.

FWIW: This is what the juicing site says about calories and exercise during the reboot period:

Will I receive enough calories?
When we cleanse, we can refrain from calorie counting. The main goal in cleansing is to remove as much toxic residue as possible from the body. Regardless, you will not be calorie deprived, as there is an abundance of foods and juices to consume during the reboot. Even during the juice portion, you will be receiving all that you need. Remember, it is not about what we are missing, it is really about what is releasing from the body!

Can I exercise?
Cleansing requires energy. So does healing. It is recommended to follow what your energy levels dictate through the Reboot. Please keep this in mind, and be conservative until you know how you are reacting to the Reboot. If you feel as if you have a lot of energy, then by all means continue your NORMAL workout routine. This is not the time to amp up an exercise program. However, it is extremely important for the body to move and oxygenate.

If this program works for you then great, but why not just eat a healthy diet of 2,000 calories per day? Lean meats, whole grains, fruits and vegetables with limited fats (especially saturated fats) seem to provide a sustainable recipe for weight-loss.

Engstrom, that is the way I eat now and have been eating for a long time and it's gotten me below 400 pounds, albeit slowly. Long term it is the likely the way to go as it can be sustained. I'm trying this experiment not just for weight loss purposes, and I'm not looking at it as a diet or a even a way of life. It's just an experiment to see how I feel and if the weight loss is a side effect, then, bonus. As I understand it, it is about flooding the body with easily digestible micronutrients and detoxifying the system. I'm not advocating it actually. I don't know what it will do for me (or to me). But a week or two in the course of my life is nothing, and I'm a curious type.

ETA: Just thinking about this: there is no way I would have ever thought or agreed to try this had I not watched that ducumentary. So I probably sound a bit off the wall. I can only say if you are unhealthy and overweight and have struggled with it your whole life like I have, you may need to watch the film first if you want any perspective about where I am coming from and why I'm trying this. If I hadn't decided to watch it, I'd be saying "whatever" to myself right now reading this stuff.

Fair enough - thanks for letting us know how it works for you. I'm also curious so I look forward to your future posts.

The main goal in cleansing is to remove as much toxic residue as possible from the body.

What "toxic residue" are you trying to remove? Do they ever say? To me, words like "cleansing" wreak of quackery.

I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying that their writeup sounds like pseudo-science.

What "toxic residue" are you trying to remove? Do they ever say? To me, words like "cleansing" wreak of quackery.

I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying that their writeup sounds like pseudo-science.

Yes, I totally agree it sounds like pseudo-science. I admit I have no idea what "toxic residue" refers to. I'm going in with an objective mindset to see how I feel and what the results are. If this involved chemicals or suppliments or whatnot, or something I needed to purchase from somebody, I would never try it. But eating suffcient amounts raw fruits, vegitables, and water for a limited time certainly can't do much harm to me. That's my theory anyway. :)

Your muscle mass might suffer a little bit, but nothing too dramatic. It definitely won't be like me: I had my bow pull set as high as it could go two weeks before my gastric bypass, and then four months later I couldn't budge it.

I've done three or four liquid diets - clear and full. At first I feel fine, but by day five or six of protein (+ gatorade for carbs) land I feel pretty blah. It's going to be interesting to read about your experiences with juice and quackery.

I really hope it does work out, but a word of caution: make sure you read up on everything that can go wrong with this detox and watch for the symptoms. Other than that, good luck and have fun!

I will be interested to see how you do, I watched that same video and bought a juicer a few days later. I have not however gone all out for a week, I am just doing diner at the moment but I do like it. The hard part for me is to juice 3 to 5 meals a day, I can't bring the juicer and the fruits and veggies with me to work and I have read that storing juice for any length of time decreases and nutritional value.

Yes, I totally agree it sounds like pseudo-science. I admit I have no idea what "toxic residue" refers to. I'm going in with an objective mindset to see how I feel and what the results are. If this involved chemicals or suppliments or whatnot, or something I needed to purchase from somebody, I would never try it. But eating suffcient amounts raw fruits, vegitables, and water for a limited time certainly can't do much harm to me. That's my theory anyway. :)

I did South Beach Diet with great success back in 2005, and they have a phase that could be considered "carb cleansing". You get virtually no carbs in Phase I, and according to the book, after 2-3 weeks of *not* rewarding carb cravings, your body kind of gives up and you get off that carb craving cycle of wanting to eat a sweet snack every hour or two. The author explained why that was, though, talking about the interaction between blood sugar, insulin, fat cells, etc. Cleansing isn't always pseudo-science, but if there is anything to it, there should be explanation of what it's trying to cleanse you of.

I think I forgot to say earlier.... good luck with the diet; I hope it works for you.

I don't know if this relates or not, but here goes.....

When I was near goal weight I took up a coworker's challenge to try vegetarian for a week. After two days of it I felt sluggish, and by the end of the week I was dragging. When I ended the experiment the first thing I did was run out for a turkey sandwich and the next morning I was back to normal. In other words, while veggies are nice, some of us do need animal protein.

Haha, when i clicked on this i expected an EPO thread. :roflmao2:

Day 2
Weight: 376.4 (First time below 380 since 2007, and I weight every day) Water weight coming off I assume.
Physical: Late last night I developed a headache that was just short of soul crushing. It was there in the middle of the night too. Today is much better. I'm hungry but I haven't had a juice yet.
Mental: Still hopeful but I'm already wishing the 5 days was over, lol.
Exercise: I did some walking yesterday. Today I want to get some biking in but the rain is off and on.

So I went to the market yesterday and bought a lot of veggies and fruits. Including some things I have never tried. I got kale, swiss chard, spinich, cabbage, parsley, sweet potato, beets, red bell and jalapeno peppers, romaine, cantalope, watermelon, tomatoes, oranges, lemons, limes, pineapple, cucumber, ginger root and some things I probably can't remember. I had a green shake last night that was reminisent of lawn clippings, but the others were ok. I need to be careful with adding too much kale becasue I don't love the taste. Most of my juices though have been green. Some of the green leafy veggies have about 45% of their calories as protein.

Cheesburger craving is in full force, but I'm actually looking forward (a little) to getting my morning juice in, because I'm allowed a little more fruit in the morning, vs. the normal 80/20 veggie mix.

If I hadn't started this thread I might have been tempted to bag this whole experiment by now, but I don't want to be "that guy". Besides, it's not every day that we can drop 4 lbs. That's an encouraging first sign and water weight or not, it's nice to see, as I have been averaging a pound or so off per week all year.

Day 2
Besides, it's not every day that we can drop 4 lbs.

That's not water weight, sir. It's brain weight! :P

Even though the "cleansing" stuff is BS, I see nothing wrong with a five day juice diet to jump start a diet.

Pachy, what is your long term eating plan? Are you going to count calories? Emphasis certain food groups?

So here we go. Day 1 and I'm starting off with juice made of carrot, celery, apple, and lemon. It's not bad, but I want coffee.


I saw that same documentary. I've been eating "mostly" healthy but was thinking I might do a juice fast just to cleanse my body. Although I fell off the wagon last week ;)

I started looking into a juicer. Mind sharing which one you're using and how you like it? I was looking at several single auger versions but all supposedly had issues with pulp clogging up. I'm not sure how much of the nutrients are lost in high speed juicers...

I travel 100% so it would be hard to do while on the road. But on my current project we have long term hotel rooms so I can leave stuff there. So this is as good a time as any to start.

Good luck and thanks for posting...

Long term I'll likely go back to what I was doing before, but a little stricter. I'll be eating low glycemic foods. Limiting bread, rice, pasta, etc, and making sure it is whole grains or brown rice, etc. I eat lean meats and veggies at every meal, except for breakfast which is usually 2 eggs with canadian bacon and possibly a whole wheat english muffin or slice of toast. For a giant, I swear I really eat well, and eat very little (compared to the general American populace). I wont touch fast food or processed foods, and I only hit a restaurant once every month or two. Most meals are perpared at home. I could never be picked to go on a show like Biggest Loser because I don't fit the stereotype they use of: emotionally scarred, uneducated about food or calories, and either a fast food junkie or binging on a bag of potato chips and a half-gallon of ice-cream. I've been heavy my whole life and most of that life has included eating modest amounts of good healthy food. (My childhood, not so much. But I'm 39 now...) I have to feel that making time for regular exercise will be key for me long term.

By the way... mostly through day 2 of juice only and I'm super hungry with a slight headache. I'm already turned off of drinking my next glass. Wondering if I can last 5 days. They say it gets better after day 3 or so. We shall see. I'm also brushing my teeth like 5 times a day. I think not chewing anything is bad for them, lol.

I've spend all day tearing apart our washing machine to replace the drum bearings so that has been my sole source of activity today. It feels like enough, given how I feel.

Oh, and I have a Bravelle Juice Fountain. Seems to do the job. In the film they were using Bravelle Juice Fountain Plus. I have no idea what the Plus gets you, as I bought the Juice Fountain at Costco on a steal of a closeout about 5 months ago. They also make an Ikon version, and I dont know anything about that either.

What "toxic residue" are you trying to remove? Do they ever say? To me, words like "cleansing" wreak of quackery.

I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying that their writeup sounds like pseudo-science.

The video explains the concept of micro and macro nutrition. We as humans are really designed to eat mainly plant matter. Watch the video if you can and then see if it makes more sense.

One thing that is stressed in the video is that you should NOT try this diet unless and until you have consulted a physician.

I could never be picked to go on a show like Biggest Loser because I don't fit the stereotype they use of: emotionally scarred, uneducated about food or calories, and either a fast food junkie or binging on a bag of potato chips and a half-gallon of ice-cream.

Also, you don't think of yourself as a victim, and don't buy into the idea that fat people are victims that require a 'village' to 'cure.'

This should be fun to watch.
About like a car wreck. You know it's going to turn out bad, but you can't look away.

I wish no ill will towards the OP. By all means I really hope it works for you.

Yet, I know in my head, this is bound for less than a great ending.
I really do hope you prove me wrong.

It kind of reminds me of the person that spins on the bike 45 mins a day, in his/her health club,
and comes out to do the MS150. It NEVER turns out well.

Good luck

This should be fun to watch.
About like a car wreck. You know it's going to turn out bad, but you can't look away.

I wish no ill will towards the OP. By all means I really hope it works for you.

Yet, I know in my head, this is bound for less than a great ending.
I really do hope you prove me wrong.

It kind of reminds me of the person that spins on the bike 45 mins a day, in his/her health club,
and comes out to do the MS150. It NEVER turns out well.

Good luck

It's only five days.

Day 3 - morning
Weight: 374.4
Physical: Actually, I feel pretty good. I little hungry. Not a big deal.
Mental: Not too shabby.
Exercise: Too early to say today.

Thanks to those following. Yes it is only 5 days and it's just fresh organic fruits and veggies. I feel you could really do a month or two (like the film) without any problems, but I'm more of a low carb guy at heart. I like meat and solid food too much. I don't feel like a victim either, although as I said I do think my diet is typically way better than the typical american diet, and my weight doesn't reflect that. For instance, I've known for a long time that sugar/sucrose/fructose is the devil and have avoided it for years. There's no magic weight loss bullet for me though. Sometimes I need to be content that I am doing the right things (eating wise) and I'll be healthier for it, irregardless of the weight lost.

So car wreck or no, take what you will from this. I'm doing it for me, but posting here as a service to anyone else who is curious.

It's only five days.


That's what the people spinning in the health club say.
It's only...

I hope all you guys/gals don't believe everything you see on tv.

Wow.

Wow.

Pachy, keep the updates coming. And I hope this turns out better than my week of vegetarian living. :-)

Day 4 - morning
Weight: 372.6
Physical: This morning I'm up earlier than normal and I actaully feel better than a normal day for me, so far. Yesterday was pretty good too.
Mental: I still miss "real food" but I'm feeling like I can do the next two days, no problem. It gets less difficult all the time.
Exercise: I got two miles in yesterday, which is pretty good (for me).

Back to work today. Lets see I do without coffee!

-Craig

Day 5 - morning
Weight: 372.0
Physical: I feel good but missing my glycogen stores.
Mental: Not bad. no headaches. Glad this is the last day though. Looking forward to solid food in any form.

My wife and I have been juicing for 2 weeks now. I started with my weight at 235 if I recall correctly. My highest weight was 250 this time last year. Since then we have been mtn biking and recently we bought road bikes and have been enjoying that immensly including successfully finishing the 50 mile Tour de Peaks ride in the Snoqualmie Valley in Washington State. Finishing that 50 was a huge deal for both of us.

Now about the juicing. We got turned on to the Joe Cross movie from a friend. It made sense to both of us so we went out and bought a juicer and a pile of produce. We decided to do a modified juicing diet that included only one regular meal a day and the rest juice. The first few days were tough! Today it's much easier. I'm down to 212 lbs and am feeling great! We had already been working on reducing our total protein intake and increasing the produce. So making the jump to juicing was easy at least mentally.

We eat very little carbs. This too has helped shed weight. But I really think the time on the bike is a huge help. We live in an area with lots of hills to challenge ourselves with plus long flats to enjoy.

I used to be a hopeless meat and potatoes guy. That is no longer the case. Juicing will be a part of my life the rest of my life. Drinking a glass of juice fresh out of the juicer is sooooooo good and my body soaks it up! I feel better! Both physically and mentally.

For me juicing rocks. Your mileage may differ.

Pachy keep moving forward! You can do it if I can!

What kind of juice? Well I suppose it doesn't really matter...


So scientists did studies on the human body. As you all know, there are three major groups of calories that our bodies can use for energy:

Carbohydrates
Fats
Proteins

Two out of the three are essential to human bodily function. In studies it shows that the human body eventually begins shutting down and experiencing organ failure if it does not have the two in its diet. One of them humans can safely live without (however will have some deleterious effects on everyday cognitive functioning and will make you feel lethargic)... can you guess which one?

Yep, carbs.

I ain't never seen a juice with fats and proteins in it. This diet sounds dangerous. Stay far away if you want to keep your health in the long run. There are safer ways to lose weight than doing something silly like this.

The video explains the concept of micro and macro nutrition. We as humans are really designed to eat mainly plant matter. Watch the video if you can and then see if it makes more sense.


That's utter nonsense. Study after study has shown that human beings evolved to eat primarily meat and protein. As much as we eat today? No not really. But meat has always been a staple of homosapien diet since we discovered fire. Ancient man would have died out quickly if they had to expend as much energy without tools gathering plant matter as it took to replenish it, since plants are almost entirely undigestible fibre.

I could never be picked to go on a show like Biggest Loser because I don't fit the stereotype they use of: emotionally scarred, uneducated about food or calories, and either a fast food junkie or binging on a bag of potato chips and a half-gallon of ice-cream. I've been heavy my whole life and most of that life has included eating modest amounts of good healthy food. (My childhood, not so much. But I'm 39 now...) I have to feel that making time for regular exercise will be key for me long term.

You do not want to go on that show. Trust me. I am literally shocked that no one has died on that show yet. Almost all of the weight loss they have on that show is due to dehydration. You should read the horror stories of past contestants after the show. They end up having kidney problems, peeing blood all the time, and gain 90% of the weight back within weeks of the show ending just from drinking enough water again. It's ridiculous.

One of these days someone will die on that show. It's inevitable, if it isn't cancelled.

lol no I wouldn't want to go on that show. Or any show. It's evil what they put those people through with the "game play". But anyway. Yes I have lived for months at a time in the past with less than 20g of carbs per day and did great weight loss wise, not so great energy wise, and I ended up with a bad case of gout (crutches) after a few months. I have been prone to gout ever since the day after I was in a car crash in 1995. Never one time before that day. It seems to happen now when I lose weight. I don't know if it is diet related for me or if the pounds that are burning off of me somehow release the uric acid or a precursor or what. But I can count on it. Allopurinor helps but seems to make me retain weight. Double edge sword, but with that kind of severe pain, you don't mess with it.

But on to juicing, yes it's true the body needs protein and fat for essential function (2 of the 3 macronutrients). It also needs these micronutrients in much lesser quantities (these are your vitamins and trace minerals) because it cannot produce them on their own. Juicing a "rainbow" of fresh raw veggies and fruits is one way to get a concentrated, easily digested relief package of those micronutrients. It's not energy in the form of any calorie, but I can buy into the notion that you may feel more energetic because of these nutrients, especially if you were deficient in any way. Kind of like a fresh, natural, good tasting multivitamin and mineral suppliment that does happen to contain all 3 macronutrients as well (yes for instance Kale and some other veggies have nearly 50% of their calories in the form of protein). I was juicing the last 5 days but I was making sure I was getting enough protein as well, even though the higher protein veggies are not my favorites, taste wise. That is another thing that seemed good to me: juicing a combination of foods allows you to cover the tastes you don't like by mixing them with flavors you do like. (i.e. Kale or swiss chard isn't so bad when I juice it with carrots, celery, an apple, half a lemon, and a little ginger root.)

Well on to the results. Yes my 5 days are behind me, and I'm looking forward to an egg for breakfast. I feel good though, and stopping now is purely a mental thing with me. I want some solid food, dammit :) I feel like I could go longer without harm, but I feel at some point there would be harm. It's common sense to know you can't do it forever. I'm not smart enough to know where that diminshing returns point is, so I'll just stop now. :)

So end of day 1 and throughout day 2 was the worst by far. Every day after that I felt better each day. And today I would say I feel better than when I started. I certainly don't seem to want or need as much sleep as I did last week. The color of my face in the mirror looks better to me, healthier perhaps. On the downside, I feel like I don't have much muscle endurance, not that I had much before though, so it is hard to say. My weight this morning was 271.0 pounds, so I lost over 9 pounds in the 5 day experiment.

Going forward my plan is to eat low glycemic, low carb, around 1600-2000 calories a day, and incorporate carb cycling (occaisional higher carb, higher calorie days) to keep my metabolism guessing, and ramp up my biking, with a focus on cadence and cardio vs powering up hills. I will continue to incorporate juicing in some form, but not as my sole source of nutrients.

Unless there are any questions, I'm going to wrap this thread up now.

(And, sorry to disappoint those expecting the entertainment value of a car wreck. You should look at yourself to see what makes you so cynical and quick to stereotype.)

I didn't want to say this before you completed your experiment, but whenever I do something like this, I tend to generally learn a lot about myself as a person rather than my diet. Was this also your experience?

I didn't want to say this before you completed your experiment, but whenever I do something like this, I tend to generally learn a lot about myself as a person rather than my diet. Was this also your experience?
I'm not sure 5 days was long enough to really learn a lot about myself that I didn't already know. I think that the 60 day journey from the film, if one were to attempt it, and actually complete it with similar results, would certainly turn out more cathartic. But, yes, it wasn't just about diet, or even what I could do differently going forward. It shows me I am strong enough to make changes, even a little at a time to improve myself, and byond that, that I have the adventuresome spirit to experiment and try new things in pursuit of those goals. In the day to day drugery of job and normal routine, we lose sight of that. At least I did.

I'm moving forward now with renewed focus. What remains to be seen is how strong I am, long term: months to years.

If you don't mind, could you let us know if you gain any of that 9 lbs back once you start eating again?

Thanks for posting your experience. :)

(And, sorry to disappoint those expecting the entertainment value of a car wreck. You should look at yourself to see what makes you so cynical and quick to stereotype.)

No Clyde likes looking at themselves. :-)

If you don't mind, could you let us know if you gain any of that 9 lbs back once you start eating again?

Thanks for posting your experience. :)
I didn't expect to, but after first full day of eating solid food, I dropped another full pound to 370.0.

and ROFL to Neil. So true. I don't even want to be photographed. Being photographed in riding gear... is right out.

I didn't expect to, but after first full day of eating solid food, I dropped another full pound to 370.0.

and ROFL to Neil. So true. I don't even want to be photographed. Being photographed in riding gear... is right out.


Oh come on. If I can do it.....

I am tempted to show off my new l2p bibs, shirtless of course.

That's utter nonsense. Study after study has shown that human beings evolved to eat primarily meat and protein. As much as we eat today? No not really. But meat has always been a staple of homosapien diet since we discovered fire. Ancient man would have died out quickly if they had to expend as much energy without tools gathering plant matter as it took to replenish it, since plants are almost entirely undigestible fibre.
Thanks for your opinion.


Pachy:

Sounds like it was beginning to work for you. Did you experience any unusual side-effects during the 5 days?

I did the 15 day re boot program about 1 month ago. Smoothie for breakfast, veggie juice for lunch and a large salad for dinner. Not 100% organic but close. All fresh and raw fruits and veggies. Lost 18 pounds and felt great. Energy levels for cycling longer than 1 1/2 hours were low. At the end I added a gel If the ride was more than one hour and it helped. Been done for a month and have returned to a normal but healthy eating program. Gained three pounds back. Felt/feeling great! Made major change in the way I feel. Would recommend the 15 day program to anybody. I think I will do it about 2X a year from now on. Very pleased with the results I had.

Sounds like it was beginning to work for you. Did you experience any unusual side-effects during the 5 days?
Day two was weakness, headaches, and loose stools. I attribute the headaches completely to caffene withdrawl. Been there before. The weakness persisted but improved over next few days. I feel like it was working but I found it very hard to consume only liquified veggies and fruits, especially that last day. I knew when I started not wanting to drink any of it and almost preferred to not eat, that it was time to stop. I still haven't had any caffene since I started it. I may do it again as I feel the results were positive. The 15 day reboot mentioned above is also an option when you incorporate smoothies and salads. I may try that one at some point, and perhaps add chicken to the top of my salad. It's hard pulling all your protein from kale and brussel sprouts.

I'm not sure 5 days was long enough to really learn a lot about myself that I didn't already know. I think that the 60 day journey from the film, if one were to attempt it, and actually complete it with similar results, would certainly turn out more cathartic. But, yes, it wasn't just about diet, or even what I could do differently going forward. It shows me I am strong enough to make changes, even a little at a time to improve myself, and byond that, that I have the adventuresome spirit to experiment and try new things in pursuit of those goals. In the day to day drugery of job and normal routine, we lose sight of that. At least I did.

I'm moving forward now with renewed focus. What remains to be seen is how strong I am, long term: months to years.

I think your jump start was a great idea and as you say, now you move forward with renewed focus. Five days of juice, or even five days of a fast, isn't likely to harm anyone unless they have serious health issue. I am most impressed with ditching the caffeine. I can't see myself doing that. It would be cool if you can keep the reports coming!

Me and my wife are starting tommorow. doing ten days.

Me and my wife are starting tommorow. doing ten days.

How did it go? A few pounds of my loss came back but I've since lost it all again without juicing.

How did it go? A few pounds of my loss came back but I've since lost it all again without juicing.

So Pachy, how is the riding going?

I'm having fun with it. No long distances yet, and I'm still out of shape. Modest climbs are still rough, lol. Hauling 371 plus a bike up any type of hill is a workout when your are used to riding a desk, driving a computer...

I'll be on vacation for two weeks soon, with nothing to do but bike miles and miles of flat trails though. Can't wait. Hope the salt air doesn't kill my new ride. :)

Lucy Knisley did a liquid cleansing diet for a week and wrote a comic about it:
http://lucylou.livejournal.com/569380.html
She did this while finishing up "French Milk," which is all about her food experiences in France.