Folding Bikes - What do you carry on your folder to fix flats/pumctures? Education needed!

I had an "educational experience" on my ride home yesterday when I got a rear puncture on my DaHon Curve 8. I thought I'd packed what I'd need to make the necessary repair in case this happened:
1. Spare Tube
2. Pump
3. Patch Kit
4. Tire levers

Yet I was forced to walk home (about 2.5 miles) since I forgot to pack a wrench (15mm) to remove the rear wheel. Once home and setting about trying to remove the rear wheel, I found I'd also need a pliers to pull the shift cable anchor bolt out of it's recess on the internally geared hub (Shimano Nexus). So, to the above list I've added:
5. 15mm wrench,
6. Small pair of pliers.

I thought it might be good to pack a bit of tire boot material in case I manage to slice up one of the Schwalbe Marathon tires I currently have fitted.

7. Tire boot material (I use Park's but a Clif bar wrapper or dollar bill can be used in an emergency).

I am a relatively new folder commuter user: 4.5 mi. from home to Metro Green Line station (1/2 hr. approx.), fold bike, ride Metro for another 1/2 hr. approx. Unfold and ride to work 2 mi. (10 min. approx.). Reverse proceedure in the late afternoon.

So . . . what do you experienced folding bike commuters carry in the way of on-the-go bike repair materials and tools? Please advise!

Rick / OCRR

Hi Rick,

I take the GL too, twice a day (plus the Metro Link), covering about 31 miles each way in about an hour. I'll keep a look out for you. I ride a blue Dahon Mariner from 2006 and have a bright yellow helmet. If you see me, be sure to say "hi."

In my small saddlebag, I carry the following:

1 spare tube (either new or permanently patched at home)
2 pedros tire irons (haven't needed them so far - I'd lose these if I was out of space in the bag, but I still have space)
1 park patch kit (the kind that uses vulcanizing glue for permanent repairs)
1 park instant patch kit (uses self-adhesive patches which are sort of temporary, but the repair job is fast)
1 multitool (Topeak Alien II 26-Function Bicycle Tool (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FIE4AE/ref=wms_ohs_product_T2))
1 really spiffy 15mm axle wrench/tire iron (Portland Design Works 3 Wrencho Tire Lever (http://www.amazon.com/Portland-Design-Works-Wrencho-Coated/dp/B003M2TLLC/ref=sr_1_13?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1314897113&sr=1-13))
4 latex gloves rolled in a ball (no need to get oily changing the rear tire - I have gears and a derailleur)
plus...
1 Lezyne air pump, either in my backpack on the rack or attached to the waterbottle cage.

If you aren't riding a trail, I wouldn't worry about slicing a tire, but if you have the room, you might as well carry the extra material. I don't bother.

And really, that's it for tools.

Hope this helps. See you out there.

-Warr

Hi Rick, just when you thought you had it all covered! I ride a Xootr Swift and I usually only bring a mini tool, tire levers, mini pump, patch kit, and a spare tube. The only tricky thing is to make sure I've packed the correct size tube that day (I use the same bag - usually a fanny pack - when I ride some of my other bikes, all of which have 700c tires except for the folder, which is a 406). I agree that it's a good idea to carry some sort of boot material, and I am too cheap to sacrifice a dollar bill.

I carry stuff similar to Rick's setup.

Except instead of a pump, I have pump/CO2 combo. And quick releases now, but I'll vouch for either the PDW 3Wrencho or Surly Jethro Tule as a carry-along wrench for dealing with hub nuts.

Trick for getting the cable out of the Shimano IGH maze: Shift into lowest gear, grab cable housing just in front of the arm off the hub with the cable stop, and pull. The cable will pull the shifting mechanism on the hub and should give you enough slack to fit just the cable through the slot in stop. Only rub is if the ferrule at the end of the housing sticks in the end of the arm, but usually you can grab it somehow...

Brompton Touring bag has 2 pockets on the back..
one has the puncture kit, spare tube tire levers and a wrench..
the other, some water.

The bike included a pump, on a clip, on the rear of the frame.

You can repair a tube without taking the wheel off as my dad first taught me.

Invest in some tyre liners and say goodbye to punctures. Just sand the edges smooth.

It does not matter of I ride my folder or any other bike... I pack my travel kit which has a multi tool, 6 inch adjustable wrench, a few spare 5mm nuts and bolts, tire patch kit,and a spare brake and shifter cable packed inside and then make sure I have the right replacement tubes and my pump.

Do you have any preference of brand/type Jur?

Do you have any preference of brand/type Jur?Whatever I can get here, which is Slime and lately also Zefal.

All you were missing was the wrench. When I'm prepared, I carry the usual, plus a 15mm stubby GearWrench that was about $10 at Sears (cheaper than Jethro Tool, PDW, etc.). Not that I'm very frugal; I have the overpriced PDW "Shiny Object" C02 inflator.

On my short commute, I bike without any flat fixin's. I carry a phone and money and never veer more than a mile from public transportation.

You can repair a tube without taking the wheel off as my dad first taught me.

Invest in some tyre liners and say goodbye to punctures. Just sand the edges smooth.

If the tube is repairable. I have slashed a sidewall on a tire on some glass, had to pull the wheel to replace the tube and boot the tire. Fortunately I was able to boot the tire in that particular case.

FWIW I carry:

Spare tube
Morph Pump
Park MTB 3 Rescue tool
Leatherman
Small Adjustable wrench
12" or so of duct tape
Patch Kit
Cellphone
Money

Aaron :)

All you were missing was the wrench. When I'm prepared, I carry the usual, plus a 15mm stubby GearWrench that was about $10 at Sears (cheaper than Jethro Tool, PDW, etc.).

I carry this 15mm stubby

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944117000P?prdNo=4&blockNo=4&blockType=G4

IIRC it is lighter than the Portland Design Works wrench/lever.

For a good deal on CO2 cartridges, check this

http://www.amazon.com/30-Gram-Threaded-CO2-Cartridges/dp/B0015V45F4/ref=sr_1_2?s=miscellaneous&ie=UTF8&qid=1314927867&sr=1-2

they work well with the Innovations inflators.

Whatever I can get here, which is Slime and lately also Zefal.

Jur, do they affect the riding, rolling resistance, etc?

yes all those necessary tools and

don't forget the disposable latex/vinly gloves

small pocket magnifyer to check for embeded thorns

you don't want to fix another flat after you've just fixed one !

Jur, do they affect the riding, rolling resistance, etc?Short of doing a carefully controlled test, I can't detect any effect at all. Certainly they slow me down a lot less than any puncture. ;) I have more than once won (social!) events because the hot contenders were sidelined with punctures.

yes all those necessary tools and

don't forget the disposable latex/vinly gloves

small pocket magnifyer to check for embeded thorns

you don't want to fix another flat after you've just fixed one !

You could also run a finger round the inside of the tyre to check this, pack plasters instead for this option :D

Thanks for the replys everyone! Since I repaired that puncture (w/Rema patch and glue), all has been good on the bike commute/Metro ride.

The Sears wrench looks good kamtsa, but I like the tire lever on the other end of the Portland tool (as suggested by wernst) so I'll order one of those; maybe two so I'll have one for my fixed gear bike which also uses 15mm axle nuts.

Re: Tire liners, I've always considered them to be more trouble than they're worth (Mr. Tuffy, Slime, etc.), but in this commuting context I may reconsider. Thanks for that suggestion jur. I just have to locate some made for 16" diameter, wide (or med.) tires. And on the subject of tubes, does anyone know a good source for 16" Presta tubes? I got a couple from the Schwalbe website, but they were far more pricey than normal presta tubes.

Yes, wernst, I will look for you on the Green Line commute. I take the 6:05AM train out of Norwalk, and not sure which one (3:45PM?) back via 110/Harbor Fwy station. I have a dark grey DaHon Curve that looks really rather boring (silver components otherwise) and wear a white Bell helmet (how generic is that?) and 6-6-1 SPD sandals.

Will also consider adding a multi-tool (as suggested by several riders) since I have a Topeak Alien somewhere . . . just have to track it down. I use latex gloves when I work on bikes at home, but I will add them to my commute kit. Thanks for the suggestion EM42. I don't even own a pocket magnifier, but that's a good idea too; just have to find one.

Thanks again for sharing all the knowledge!

Rick / OCRR

Yes, wernst, I will look for you on the Green Line commute. I take the 6:05AM train out of Norwalk, and not sure which one (3:45PM?) back via 110/Harbor Fwy station. I have a dark grey DaHon Curve that looks really rather boring (silver components otherwise) and wear a white Bell helmet (how generic is that?) and 6-6-1 SPD sandals.

Rick / OCRR

Rick,

Well, it looks like our paths won't really cross much. I leave Norwalk at around 7:05 in the morning and leave the Crenshaw station around 4:50 in the afternoon. But you never know!

-Warr

Yes, wernst, I will look for you on the Green Line commute....

We need BF Folding Bikes identification stickers.

Rick, Well, it looks like our paths won't really cross much. I leave Norwalk at around 7:05 in the morning and leave the Crenshaw station around 4:50 in the afternoon. But you never know!-Warr

True wernst, You never know. I could be running late or you could be early . . . still, an hour is huge in this context. Will try to add a photo of my bike that I took this morning as it sits here in my cube at work.

217204The numbers in the background are from various cycling events I've entered (not on my DaHon!). Rick / OCRR

I carry nothing. Flats are so rare, I just catch a taxi or buss. I always fit new tubes. I don't tour through.

Thanks for the suggestion EM42. I don't even own a pocket magnifier, but that's a good idea too; just have to find one.


ur welcome Rick ...try your local Harbor Freight should be less than $4 for those I think my vision is not as good but I love inspecting things that i take apart for example seeing if there are pits on a bb spindle or bearing races or inspecting threads on a screw or checking for fractures on frame joints etc etc. its kinda fun !

ur welcome Rick ...try your local Harbor Freight should be less than $4 for those. I think my vision is not as good but I love inspecting things that I take apart, for example, seeing if there are pits on a bb spindle or bearing races or inspecting threads on a screw or checking for fractures on frame joints etc etc. its kinda fun !

Thanks EM42, I'll try to find a Harbor Freight close to me (or do they sell on-line too?). I will be good for seeing those sharp bits that I can feel with the tip of my finger, but can't actually see. Guess I should have some tweezers too?

Rick / OCRR

A pair of 3.5X or stronger reading glasses also work well, and keeps both hands free. I use them all the time for fine soldering work. A tick removal kit might be another option, and comes with magnifier and tweezers.

I carry a sharp scriber to pick out objects. One of those from a sliding square set.

A pair of 3.5X or stronger reading glasses also work well, and keeps both hands free. I use them all the time for fine soldering work. A tick removal kit might be another option, and comes with magnifier and tweezers.

+1 yes a handsfree version is great !


I carry a sharp scriber to pick out objects. One of those from a sliding square set.

+1 one of my favorite tools in the shop !! never thought of carrying one maybe i should. might also double as self protection from drunk bums trying to grab your bike while pedaling on the trail as you pass along...[seriously happened once]

Rick if your in Whittier I'm assuming in Ca. or you could be in Ca as in Canada or Yugoslavia not sure at all where your loc. is ! yes they have mail order but they're all over Southern Ca. from where I am

Here is my advice: get a Lezyne PRESSURE Drive Mini pump. Very light and high quality, and has an integrated hose design so you won't put torque on the valve stem. I've gone through a number of valve stems, and on the unusual-sized tires that folding bike have (in my case, 349), reducing valve stem destruction means getting stuck less in strange situations far from a tube source.

EDIT: the Pressure Drive, not the Air Drive. [I got 'em mixed up.] The Air Drive is heavier by a bit, costs more, and is designed to provide high volume and low pressure -- that is, for Mountain bikes. You don't need that in small tires. Get the Pressure drive.

+1 for Lezyne pumps :D

Since moving to Kojaks I also now carry a foldable one, the others having wire beads. Probably a a little OTT for my 10.5 mile round commute every day.

In the 2 years and 2300 miles covered, I have only ever had to fix one puncture at work. I have fixed another Brompton owners flat for her though :p

I often wonder if it is worth the hassle of carrying anything, when with a £20 note stashed away I could just fold the Brompton and call a taxi home.

Regards

Jerry

Rick if your in Whittier I'm assuming in Ca. or you could be in Ca as in Canada or Yugoslavia not sure at all where your loc. is ! yes they have mail order but they're all over Southern Ca. from where I am

Yes EM42, Whittier California, South Whittier if that helps, i.e. almost La Mirada.

Also, and not to derail this thread, but I'm also looking for a route from South Whittier to the Norwalk Metro station other than the sidewalks of Imperial Hwy, which is what I use now. Maybe a better question for the commuting forum?

Rick / OCRR

Yes EM42, Whittier California, South Whittier if that helps, i.e. almost La Mirada.

Also, and not to derail this thread, but I'm also looking for a route from South Whittier to the Norwalk Metro station other than the sidewalks of Imperial Hwy, which is what I use now. Maybe a better question for the commuting forum?

Rick / OCRR

Rick,

Hmmm.

I know the area pretty well, and the problem is that Metro Link train line: there are only just so many ways across the tracks. Florence, Imperial, and Telegraph are pretty much IT.

Depending on where you start from, Leffingwell might be a good alternative to a mile or two on Imperial Highway: just two lanes of slower traffic, and then just a mile of Imperial Highway until the Metro Link station, where you can cut South on Bloomfield, take a right on Civic Center Drive, take a left on Norwalk Blvd under the 5, then a right on Foster, and then a right on Studebaker until you get to the Green Line. But I'm guessing you already know that route post ML.

-Warr

I ride a Brommie and used to just say "well if I get a flat, I'll just hop in a cab or on the bus." But there are a few areas on my commute where public transit is a decent walk, or cabs would be few and far between--and these same areas I would NOT want to be stuck in. So I now carry:

-tube
-15mm wrench
-tire levers
-hand pump hung on the frame

I don't bother with patch kits. I know it's cheaper but I can't always find the hole in the tube, even when I've located the culprit poking through the tire. I've gotten so many damn flats over the last 2.5 years that I've gotten very quick at changing the tire, especially the front. Yesterday I managed to do it in about 10 minutes in the pouring rain. I guess that's the one upside to frequent flats--I'm very confident changing a tube nowadays and know that it will take less time than waiting for a bus or cab in the middle of North Philly at 7am...

Yesterday I managed to do it in about 10 minutes in the pouring rain


in pouring rain ? Wow +1

Yesterday I managed to do it in about 10 minutes in the pouring rain.

I'm impressed! 10 minutes is a good time in perfect weather, but an absolute record time in the rain! Not that I've had much experience changing tubes in the rain, maybe once or twice in my life . . . but still, I'm impressed! Plus, it would be impossible to fit a patch to a tube in the rain.

Rick / OCRR

I don't bother with patch kits. I know it's cheaper but I can't always find the hole in the tube, even when I've located the culprit poking through the tire..
+1

i usually keep a few extra tubes around the house anyways, but in the past i have either had to do a repair in darkness (as fate would have it - lights battery was not fully charged), another in a rain storm, and another where i had to repair twice - the hole was punctured thru both sides of the tube but i missed the other side until it ran flat another km down the road...
it's much easier to swap in the new tube and then just patch the dead tube when you get home.

in my tool kit for my MuSL
new (or repaired/tested) tube on long commute or when i am expecting late ride or bad weather
else patch kit
tire levers
planet bike red zeppelin co2 inflater w/ 2 cartridges
shrader adapter for my presta tubes (in case i run out of co2)

I'm impressed! 10 minutes is a good time in perfect weather, but an absolute record time in the rain! Not that I've had much experience changing tubes in the rain, maybe once or twice in my life . . . but still, I'm impressed! Plus, it would be impossible to fit a patch to a tube in the rain.

Rick / OCRR

Thanks! I wouldn't be able to do it so fast if I didn't get so many, unfortunately...ugh. It's also the tires. When I had Marathons, it took 45 minutes, a beer, and a lot of cursing to get the tire on and off! Not so with the Brompton tires and the Kojaks. The bead is much more pliable.

Of course, I don't keep a patch kit in the saddle bag for repairing holes on the road *if I can avoid it.* It's for when I pick up a second puncture on the road and I'm fresh outta spare tubes. ;-) -Warr

+1 On the Lezyne pump (I use the road drive). I also carry this titanium wrench (who said titanium needs to be expensive?):
http://www.benscycle.net/bmz_cache/1/142adcafebcab5993779743f5a9e0692.image.150x100.jpg
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11942

But I honestly avoid changing flats on the road with folders if at all possible because smaller tires are really hit or miss in terms of the ease of getting on/off the rim. So I use a rear tire liner (never get flats in front...I've had more rear tire carcass blowouts than front flats) and if I'm not more than 2 miles from origin or destination (and I'm often not when I'm riding a folder) then I just walk the rest of the way and change the flat indoors.

However, if you must fix the flat on the road then you really don't need to remove the shifter cable to replace (or patch) a tube.

one thing i noticed about flat tires, patch don't work at all. it's just a temporary fix. i had fixed quite a few tubes with holes with the readily available flat fixes and they never work for me. i will be able to put air but after couple hours it's flat again. the best solution is to bring extra tubes.

The Topeak Racerocker HPX is as good or better than the Lezyne, I have one of those, the best mini pump I have had.

i had fixed quite a few tubes with holes with the readily available flat fixes and they never work for me.

Hmmm. All the patches I've ever done have lasted the lifetime of the tube. Surely there must be something else going on.


The Topeak Racerocker HPX is as good or better than the Lezyne, I have one of those, the best mini pump I have had.

Someone mentioned that elsewhere lately, and had it been available when I got my Lezyne Pressure Drive Mini, I might have checked it out. But I'm wary of Topeak: I've had two Topeak pumps and they've both broken, while an Avenir I've had has lasted forever.

(BTW, I'm really surprised at that pump -- it's essentially a direct copy of the Lezyne. I smell a patent violation.)

Hmmm. All the patches I've ever done have lasted the lifetime of the tube. Surely there must be something else going on.


strange as it may look but i have tried so many times (using spin doctor patches) on 3 of my punctured tubes and even clamped it and yet when i put it back on and put air, air will not last. tried it over and over again until i decided to just buy a new tube and putting on a new tube worked. maybe i need to get a different kind of patches and try. thanks...

(BTW, I'm really surprised at that pump -- it's essentially a direct copy of the Lezyne. I smell a patent violation.)After this I had a look at the Lezyne manual and I don't think there is a patent problem:

1. Pumps with removable hoses stored inside have been around for decades.
2. The Topeak pump's hose is actually not removed and screwed in the opposite end; instead it is unscrewed and just pulls out as is; it stays put, fully sealed.
3. The Topeak pump head is a really clever piece of design; as-is it does Schraeder valves and screwing it out handles Presta valves. The Lezyne seems to handle one type only - the road one I looked at is for Presta only.

So it seems the Topeak has at least two fresh innovations that the Lezyne does not.

I carry the Lezyne Pressure Drive because in addition to having the hose, and a very smooth action, it's small enough in diameter to fit inside the seat post.

As usual jur's right about the hose-in-the-end pumps. I actually have another that I ride with sometimes. It's chromed steel and quite heavy. Doesn't pump for crap. But it's real nice for convincing cars they're too close.

I carry this tool for my Mu XL Sport with IGH:

Nashbar Single-Speed Spanner
http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_502344_-1_202642_10000_202585

In along with a nicely long handled 15mm wrench it has a couple of spoke wrenches and a big boy's tire lever. And a bottle opener in case things get too silly and jur's not around to pull the tire off with his bare hands. Only cost ten bucks. Guess I ain't rich enough to live in Portland either.

Best of all it has mounting holes to fit on bottle bosses...they're positioned just right so I can slip the wrench onto the axle nut on the drive side and secure one of the mounting holes to the unused derailleur hanger bracket hole. Rides real nice there; looks like it came with the bike.

I wrap a spare tube around the front axle and secure it with velcro, tube-weenie style. A pair of nitrile gloves shoved under the seat. A couple of hand cleaner towelettes. A lightweight garbage bag to use as a ground cover. I ride with a bike poncho which is damned handy to cover yourself and the bike with while working when it's REALLY rainin'. And we all know heavy rain exponentially increases the chance of a flat. And only rear tires go flat on a ride.

I have one of those two-pronged 'touring' kickstands with pull out adjustable feet. Because of the small wheels there's plenty of height adjustment to get the front or rear wheel in the air for removal without laying down the bike.

Most important of all of course is a cell phone and a credit card. There's nuthin' you can't fix with those 'cept a broken heart.

I also tend to carry the basic tools to do minor adjustments or repairs on the road. I keep my spare tube in an old sock. It serves to protect the tube from the sharper objects in my pack, and as a glove when I need to hold the chain.

Hi Rick,

I take the GL too, twice a day (plus the Metro Link), covering about 31 miles each way in about an hour. I'll keep a look out for you. I ride a blue Dahon Mariner from 2006 and have a bright yellow helmet. If you see me, be sure to say "hi."

In my small saddlebag, I carry the following:

1 spare tube (either new or permanently patched at home)
2 pedros tire irons (haven't needed them so far - I'd lose these if I was out of space in the bag, but I still have space)
1 park patch kit (the kind that uses vulcanizing glue for permanent repairs)
1 park instant patch kit (uses self-adhesive patches which are sort of temporary, but the repair job is fast)
1 multitool (Topeak Alien II 26-Function Bicycle Tool (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FIE4AE/ref=wms_ohs_product_T2))
1 really spiffy 15mm axle wrench/tire iron (Portland Design Works 3 Wrencho Tire Lever (http://www.amazon.com/Portland-Design-Works-Wrencho-Coated/dp/B003M2TLLC/ref=sr_1_13?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1314897113&sr=1-13))
4 latex gloves rolled in a ball (no need to get oily changing the rear tire - I have gears and a derailleur)
plus...
1 Lezyne air pump, either in my backpack on the rack or attached to the waterbottle cage.

If you aren't riding a trail, I wouldn't worry about slicing a tire, but if you have the room, you might as well carry the extra material. I don't bother.

And really, that's it for tools.

Hope this helps. See you out there.

-Warr

dang. i don't carry anything. i just had my second flat in a few months. maybe i should be more prepared. i am gonna get better tired though.

using spin doctor patches)

try using REMA Sports Patch kit they are the best in my opinion i've tried so many different brands but always go back to Rema and they are getting harder to find because of cost[German made] the shops rather carry the high profit margin types but they are mainly junk[imho].

it is also possible that the tube manufacturer impregnated silicone[or something] into the tubes this is what i've heard to prevent patch kit from sticking so that you'll just buy tubes instead of repairing them. so try switching tube brands. I always use Schwalbe tubes for a little more money they perform well and very well made and are supple to ride because of high latex content compared to other purely butyl tubes.

Thanks again everyone, for all the helpful suggestions!

Regarding patches, I use REMA even though they are a pit more expensive that the Chinese knock-offs because, honestly, I get much better results in terms of dependable patches when using REMA.

Also, like EM42, I use Schwalbe tubes, but only because they're the only ones I can find in 16" with Presta valves. If I could find a decent Taiwanese or Chinese tube with that spec (esp. Kenda or Cheng Shin) I would certainly like to try them!

For a pump, I use a Topeak Mountain Master Blaster, because it works and also because it was a spare pump lounging in the garage, so I didn't have to go out and buy one!

Commute wise, no serious problems. I did buy a TAP (Transit Access Pass) so I wouldn't have to keep hunting up six quarters for each Metro ride. I also fitted a water bottle cage to transport my coffee container in the morning, then I rinse it out and use it for a water bottle in the afternoon. Plus, I bought a better headlight (NiteRider Minewt).

Route wise, I've pretty much given up on Imperial Highway sidewalks, and now use Rosecrans almost exclusively on the roadway. The sidewalk exception is where the 5 freeway crosses Rosecrans . . . still looks a bit dicey to me, so I play it safe and use the sidewalk there. So Valley View to Foster, Foster to the Coyote Creek MUP, exit Rosecrans, then all the way to a right on Studebaker, left on Imperial sidewalk, left on Hoxie sidewalk, cross to the Metro Norwalk Green Line station.

Works for me!

Rick / OCRR

If it's a bike that's new to you make sure you are familiar with how to remove & replace the wheel, in particular the rear one with hub/cassette gears.

If it's a bike that's new to you make sure you are familiar with how to remove & replace the wheel, in particular the rear one with hub/cassette gears.

Yes Diode100, Good advice! Been there, done that. The IGH cable gave me a bit of bother but otherwise fairly standard operating procedure . . . now that I carry a 15mm wrench (Portland Tool).

Good to see you're in London. That's where I saw folders being used in great numbers for the first time; folders on The Tube. Quite inspirational that! The Metro in Los Angeles is not quite so wonderful.

I do have a TAP (Transit Access Pass) now, which is like an Oyster card there.

Rick / OCRR

Rick

the folder group will meet at city hall 12 noon during Ciclavia this sunday hope to see you there