green lion
04-16-02, 03:54 AM
Can you compare campagnolo with shimano?
Is sora equal to mirage?
tiagra to veloce?
Or does'nt it work that way?
Is sora equal to mirage?
tiagra to veloce?
Or does'nt it work that way?
Bicycle Mechanics - mirage/veloce vs sora/tiagra
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D*Alex
04-16-02, 05:31 AM
Saora and Tiagra are roughly the same, and I would say that they are, on the average, lower than any Campy line. Shimano 105 is the lowest I'd suggest buying.
RainmanP
04-16-02, 06:53 AM
Green Lion,
There is a definite step up in quality from Tiagra to 105. D*Alex hits it when he says don't go lower than 105. Personally, having owned both 105 and Dura Ace I will never have anything but DA for shifters and derailleurs. The difference in shifting is palpable. DA is very smooth, crisp and sure. Don't get me wrong. 105 works very well, but DA is distinctly better. For those 3 parts the total difference in price is really not that much even from 105 to DA. Other things like cassettes, hubs, bottom brackets become more a matter of weight than quality. I use 105 cassettes almost all the time, Ultegra bottom bracket and 105 hubs. But the shifters and ders are the heart of the drive train and worth the extra bucks.
I don't have any personal experience with Campy, but I understand that Veloce works quite well. If I were going Campy on the low end, I would definitely spend the extra few bucks for Veloce over Mirage.
FWIW,
Raymond
There is a definite step up in quality from Tiagra to 105. D*Alex hits it when he says don't go lower than 105. Personally, having owned both 105 and Dura Ace I will never have anything but DA for shifters and derailleurs. The difference in shifting is palpable. DA is very smooth, crisp and sure. Don't get me wrong. 105 works very well, but DA is distinctly better. For those 3 parts the total difference in price is really not that much even from 105 to DA. Other things like cassettes, hubs, bottom brackets become more a matter of weight than quality. I use 105 cassettes almost all the time, Ultegra bottom bracket and 105 hubs. But the shifters and ders are the heart of the drive train and worth the extra bucks.
I don't have any personal experience with Campy, but I understand that Veloce works quite well. If I were going Campy on the low end, I would definitely spend the extra few bucks for Veloce over Mirage.
FWIW,
Raymond
green lion
04-16-02, 07:01 AM
Thanks Alex, the reason I'm asking is that I had my mind set on the Bianchi Eros, however, looking at the Lemond Tourmalet I may change my mind. The Eros is a Reparto Corse Chromo Lite MegaPro frame with a mix of Mirage/Veloce components.
The Lemond tourmalet is a Reynolds 853 with Tiagra components.
I am torn apart between these 2 bikes. I can't make up my mind. The geometrie of the tourmalet seems to be better and the price is exactly the same.
A bike with Shimano 105 is immediately $300 more.
The Lemond tourmalet is a Reynolds 853 with Tiagra components.
I am torn apart between these 2 bikes. I can't make up my mind. The geometrie of the tourmalet seems to be better and the price is exactly the same.
A bike with Shimano 105 is immediately $300 more.
green lion
04-16-02, 07:05 AM
Raynmond, thanks to you to for helping me out, but as I said 105 and definitely dure ace are too expensive. I'm not a racer and weight doesn't matter that much.
Diligum
04-16-02, 01:04 PM
As for low end shimano parts, is there really no significant difference between sora and tiagra? My father is going to buy a new road bike in the spring and I think his main concern is with durability. Is it not worth stepping up to tiagra for the extra $100 it adds to the cost of the bike?
RainmanP
04-16-02, 01:41 PM
From what I understand Tiagra is worth the extra money over Sora. I was just saying that there is another step up to 105. 105 and above just look and feel more solid.
Rich Clark
04-16-02, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Diligum
As for low end shimano parts, is there really no significant difference between sora and tiagra? My father is going to buy a new road bike in the spring and I think his main concern is with durability. Is it not worth stepping up to tiagra for the extra $100 it adds to the cost of the bike?
Yes, it's worth it to go with Tiagra or better. Tiagra parts are 9-speed and interchangeable with 105 and Ultegra. Sora is 8-speed, and upgrading would involve replacing the levers, the most expensive part.
It's not that Sora is bad stuff. It works great and is well enough made, if not elegant or lightweight. And the levers are very nice for most riders, easy to shift from the hoods where most people usually keep their hands -- and they have adjustable reach, unique among Shimano road levers, which can be a godsend for riders with small hands.
It's just that going with a 9-speed group opens up so many more possibilities.
RichC
As for low end shimano parts, is there really no significant difference between sora and tiagra? My father is going to buy a new road bike in the spring and I think his main concern is with durability. Is it not worth stepping up to tiagra for the extra $100 it adds to the cost of the bike?
Yes, it's worth it to go with Tiagra or better. Tiagra parts are 9-speed and interchangeable with 105 and Ultegra. Sora is 8-speed, and upgrading would involve replacing the levers, the most expensive part.
It's not that Sora is bad stuff. It works great and is well enough made, if not elegant or lightweight. And the levers are very nice for most riders, easy to shift from the hoods where most people usually keep their hands -- and they have adjustable reach, unique among Shimano road levers, which can be a godsend for riders with small hands.
It's just that going with a 9-speed group opens up so many more possibilities.
RichC