Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - Clyding to Work: A How To

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Mithrandir
10-22-11, 07:13 PM
I recently received a request from our esteemed Iron Chef, inquiring on many details about how to successfully bike to work, since I've been writing about it for a few months now. So I shall first address his questions, and then try to add anything else I can think of at the end.

How did you get started riding to work?
After I was able to bike 20 miles in one ride, it occurred to me that it's about 20 miles from my apartment to work. This was just idle curiosity at this point, I wasn't seriously considering biking to work yet. I'm not a morning person, and 20 miles was wiping me out at that point anyway, so I just didn't think it was realistic.

About 2 months later I was finally at a point where I wanted to attempt my first metric century. The theme for that ride was "Le Tour de Buffalo", as it was happening at the same time as the Tour de France. I wanted to take a tour around the entire city on my bike, and see all the neat things about this city that you tend to skip over as you drive in on the freeway. So I made a list of all of the historic buildings and monuments and parks that I knew of, and tried making a loop around the city to hit as many as I could within 62 miles of riding.

It just so happens that the building I work in is a very historic building, and since it was actually the closest monument to my apartment, I decided to just take a direct route there as the first leg. When the day of the tour arrived, I was amazed at how awesome I felt when I finally reached my work building, and that it only took an hour and forty minutes. This is the point when it finally dawned on me that biking to work was no longer a crazy idea, but perfectly realistic. The next day I decided that I was going to bike to work once during the upcoming week. Since I was busy Monday, Wednesday and Friday, I picked out either Tuesday or Thursday for the ride. On Monday I took a change of clothes into work in my messenger bag and left them at my desk. Unfortunately it was pouring rain on Tuesday so I didn't ride that day. But Thursday rolled around and it was a beautiful morning, so I rode into work, and it was awesome.


How did you pick a route and did you have to modify the route a few times?
Well my first route was based on "shortest distance". Since I was initially daunted by the length of the commute (remember, when you commute you have to do it twice!), I felt that the 19.2 mile shortest route was the absolute most I was willing to cycle. This was probably a bad idea. No scratch that, this was definitely a bad idea. The first 10 miles are great because I've got a wide paved shoulder to ride in. But after that it becomes very dangerous. The next 3 miles have no shoulder, but there is a sidewalk.

On the first three commutes I took the sidewalk, but that was very bumpy. After that comes 4 miles of no shoulder and no west-bound sidewalk. So I switched sides and started riding on the left-hand sidewalk. This was an even worse idea, because cars at intersections generally never look right if they're turning right, so they don't see you crossing the intersection. There's a term for this behavior, it's called "salmoning", as in you're riding against the current. In some ways it's even worse if you're on the sidewalk than the road... at least you're usually more visible on the road. Then the last few miles have a right-hand sidewalk again, which I took.

After the first three commutes I gave up on the sidewalk approach. It was just too dangerous, cars at intersections never see you. In a more crowded city it would also be dangerous to pedestrians... but that's not something we have here in Buffalo. In those first 3 commutes I never actually saw a pedestrian on the sidewalks. I was still only commuting once a week at this point, so after three more weeks of riding and practice on my fitness rides, I finally felt confident enough to ride with traffic. This went better than the sidewalks. Certainly much faster. But ultimately this route was just too dangerous. The traffic goes 55 even though it's marked 40. They don't pay attention to you and I finally decided enough was enough and quit this route once and for all.

I tried out a 19.6 mile route on less-busy roads. It takes more time because there's more lights and the reds are longer. Unfortunately this route did not work for me either, because it was ultimately just too bumpy. I was worried about breaking spokes on this one.

So after that I tried an even longer 20.2 mile route. This one eliminates all 10 miles of the non-shouldered road and replaces it with 11 miles of shouldered roads. More stoplights means slower traffic too. There's one dangerous intersection I go through which I still haven't done on the road, however. It's a "double intersection" as the road ends, I have to turn right onto a very busy 6 lane 55mph road, cross 3 lanes of traffic, make a left onto a busy 4-lane road, also 55mph, then make another left onto the street I want to be on, all within a span of about 0.15 miles. To avoid this mess I just take the sidewalks and cross at pedestrian crossings for the 0.15 miles, then get back on the road. I figure 0.15 miles of sidewalking on a 20 mile route is acceptable. So far this remains my favored route. It's longer and slower (due to the lights), but it's safer. Ultimately it takes me an extra 10-15 minutes to take this route over the first one I tried, but when you consider things in the long run, what's an extra 30 minutes compared to the rest of your life?


What worked as far as equipment and such?
Rear Blinkie Lights. When I first started riding on the road, cars would close on you fast, and only realise you existed much too late to actually do anything about it. The day I put a blinkie rear light on my bike, I noticed cars would merge from the right lane into the left around a half-mile before they came upon me. It was amazing how different things were with the light. Before this I was wearing brightly colored shirts, but that didn't really help them see me until it was too late. Get a rear blinkie light. Get two actually. I haven't verified this but I've been told that a single blinking light can screw with a drivers distance-perception, so if you have two lights: one blinking and one solid, they can judge your distance much easier.

A Mirror. Mirrors are not a replacement for turning your head and looking behind you when you want to turn left or take the lane, but they are an excellent aid in keeping track of how much traffic is behind you so that you have a good idea of what is already behind you when you do want to make the turn.

Panniers. Bought a small set of panniers, Bontrager City Double Panniers. They were overpriced, but I've more than got my moneys worth out of them regardless. The neat thing about these is that they just clip on the sides of your rack, and you can just pull it off when you're at work and carry it in with you. No velcro or straps or anything. They've even got a shoulder strap. It was very convenient. When you get to work you're going to want something that's easy to take off the bike, because you're not going to want to have to fiddle around. Time is already limited, and futzing around with logistical issues day in and day out is going to get old real fast. You want it to be smooth, just like getting out of your car and locking it. Otherwise you may get some of those "why am I doing this?" thoughts, which if you're just starting out, can absolutely kill your chances of continuing with the commuting.

U-Lock. Buy a U-lock. The best you can buy. Don't go for the biggest, however, because bigger locks are usually easier to break. The idea is to get one that has JUST enough clearance to hold your wheel, your frame, and the post, with little or no extra room for an attacker to wedge a tool in and begin taking the lock apart. I ended up buying an additional cable lock which I run through my rear wheel, frame, and Brooks saddle, in case anyone is smart enough to realise I've got a QR and an expensive saddle.

Plastic Grocery Bag. It's going to rain while you work one day. Your bike is outside. Your saddle will get soaking wet. If it's a synthetic saddle, it'll be annoying because it'll soak up the rain. If it's a leather saddle, it'll be destroyed. When you park your bike at work, take a grocery bag out and put it over the saddle. Wrap the handles through the saddle rails and tie them together tight. Then tuck the excess baggage underneath the saddle. If you don't make it tight, occasionally the wind will be strong enough to grab the bag and work it off the saddle. This has happened to me several times, but since I started tucking and tying it, I've had no issues.

CO2 Inflator. I carry a hand pump as well, but I carry a CO2 inflator because when you get a flat on the way to work, you don't want to have to waste extra time hand-pumping the tire all the way up. This can shave valuable minutes from your commute on bad days, and you'll be thankful for it. For flats on the way home, I'll use the hand-pump though.

Zip-lock bags. My panniers are not waterproof. It will rain. Water will seep into the panniers and do bad things to anything in them. So now I have a large ziplock for my tubes and my multi-tool, and a small ziplock for my wallet and cellphone. Works like a charm. Alternately, you could get a rain cover for your panniers. I've got a Topeak MTX DXP trunk bag on order with a rain cover, so the ziplocks may be on their way out for me. We'll see.

Fenders. I wrote a whole post about these. Get them. You will ride on wet roads more often than you would think. You will be happy when you get to work and your clothes, shoes, panniers, water bottle, etc, are all dry. Don't chicken out and get cool-looking Mountain fenders either... get the full old-fashioned fenders that cover 1/2 the rear wheel and 1/4 the front.


What didnt work?
I've been having issues with my tires, but I'm working with the manufacturer about it. It may be my fault as I may have chosen an inappropriate tire for the job, focusing on speed rather than durability. When commuting it's much better to get a durable tire, because even though you may be 5 minutes faster on days when you get no flats... you'll be 30 minutes slower on days when you do. I've learned this the hard way.


What do you carry as far as tools and such to fix stuff?
I come prepared with a lot of things. Some would argue that it's overkill, but I've always been a boy-scoutish type person and I believe in being prepared. I carry:

- Two tubes. Two flats are unlikely, but easily within the realm of possibility. When time is an issue, you don't want to have to patch a tube on the road.
- Three tire levers. Some people can change tires with just their hands. It takes longer in my opinion, so just use the levers.
- Topeak Alien II multitool. I've only had to use the hex-keys on it so far, and that wasn't even necessary, just wanted to tighten some bolts on my handlebar when they came loose. But you can never be too sure.
- Adjustable wrench. I carry this because the nut on my seatpost is larger than any of the wrenches on the multitool. If your seatpost slips down, you'll want to fix it. They have Quick Release seatpost clamps but I don't like those as they aren't strong enough for my weight.
- Glued Patch Kit. Don't do the self-adhesive, those things never work. It's possible you may get 3 flats, in which case you'll need the patch. If I get a flat in the morning I'll patch the tube while I'm at work, thus leaving me with 2 full tubes again when I leave.
- Tire Boots. If you slice your tire bad, you can use a boot to make it rideable.
- 4 SRAM "power link" chain links - If your chain breaks, usually it's going to be one link. So you can use a chain tool in the multi-tool to quickly remove the broken link, then replace it with a power link in seconds. Nice and fast. Never had this happen, but it works in theory.
- 10 regular chain links - If more than one chain link breaks, you can try to splice these chain links back into the chain. Unlikely but why risk it? If worse comes to worst you can simply shorten the chain and never use the big cogs, however.
- CO2 pump and 3 cardridges. More than enough to handle any flats I've come across so far.
- Hand pump. For those times when you run out of CO2 or don't want to waste a cartridge because you're not in a hurry.
- Presta-to-Schraeder valve adapter. Worst case scenario, you run out of CO2 and your hand pump is lost or broken. Find your way to a gas station and fill your tires with a car pump.
- Schraeder-to-Presta wheel hole adapter. I've got a Schraeder front wheel and a Presta rear. Not ideal, but it's what I've got. I run Presta tubes in both, with a hole adapter in the front. It's rather loose, and I can see myself accidentally losing it when changing a flat one day, so I've got a backup.
- 2 Spare spokes. If you break a spoke you can probably continue riding on the wheel until you get to a safe place. But if the wheel is too out-of-true, or if you break two or more, you're going to want to replace one. Luckily I've never had to do this on the road. Replacing a rear drive-side spoke is probably going to be next-to-impossible unless you've got a cassette remover tool with you. I wouldn't bother going this far, though.
- Eyeglass wipes. I wear glasses, and if they ever get too dirty to see through, I've got cleaners for them.
- First aid kit. Bandaids and antibiotic. Never had to use, but could be handy.
- Paper napkins. After changing a flat your hands will be dirty. Some people recommend latex gloves for that but I never remember to buy any. So these do for now.


How is commuting to work different than riding on the weekend?
The first thing you'll notice, at least if you work a 9-5 job, is that the vehicular traffic is greater and more violent. In the morning people are cranky because they haven't had their coffee, and are stuck driving to jobs that they hate and are probably late for, and the last thing they want to put up with is some jerk causing them to have to slow down. It's not a nice situation. But ultimately you just have to live and let live. They'll beep at you, curse at you, drive too close. Just ignore them and go on your merry way. Every once in a while someone will give you a thumbs up, and that will make your day.

You ride on roads you don't necessarily want to be on. When you ride on the weekend you are free to choose where you go, and how fast you go. On a commute, you've got the same destination every single day, and you don't really have the best options in the world. You can try different routes out, but there's only a limited number of them that will be practical; eventually the routes will get longer and longer as you keep trying to find the perfect road. Try to pick one that maximizes safety first, then speed, then scenery. If you commute often enough down a dangerous road, it's only a matter of time before statistics show up and hurt you.

Don't bother picking scenic routes unless they are really safe and aren't too far out of your way. You'll get bored of the scenery anyway as you'll see it every time you commute.

You will learn traffic light patterns because you ride down the same streets so often. Much more so than you ever did in a car. Ususally on a bike you will be able to see a traffic light for two or more cycles. This gives you an absurd benefit over cars, because you know exactly how much time it's been since the last time it turned green, and you can adjust your pace accordingly. After 4 months of commuting, I know my route so well that it's rare when I have to stop for a light anymore. I know roughly how fast I have to go to get to the light just as it turns green, or just before it turns red. This will allow you to zip past uncountable numbers of cars while they are sitting like lambs waiting for everyone in front of them to hit the gas. I enjoy laughing to myself when I pass a line of 20 stopped cars, hit the light just as it turns green, and looking in my mirror as the last 5 or 6 cars didn't make it through the light and have to wait for another cycle. You have to do these things to keep yourself amused.

You will be more annoyed than on the weekend. You will ride into headwinds and rainstorms that you would have just skipped if you were riding for fun. Usually these happen on the ride home. But that's all they are: annoyances. I've never met a headwind or rainstorm that stopped me from getting home safely. Just tell yourself, "hey, I'm burning more calories", or "hey, it's just water". You'll make it, and it'll make walking through the front door feel all the more of an accomplishment.


What to avoid/not avoid?
Traffic. Fast roads. Dangerous intersections. Thunderstorms. Left turns :D (only partially kidding).


Timing... how much time do you give yourself?
I'm lucky in that my job hours are flexible. There's no set time I must be there. In general I would shoot for being at work by 9am at the very latest in an emergency. I would wake up at 5:30am, take a shower, eat breakfast, read the news, then get ready to go. Usually by 6:30 I would be out the door. On my best days I could hit 1hr 10min on my commute, reaching work about 7:40. That was beneficial because then I could leave early. But since adopting a slower route, and since the mornings got so much darker after Labour Day, I now usually leave by 7:30 and get to work at 9:00. Unfortunately that means that if I have a flat, I'm going to get there possibly as late as 9:30, which has happened. So far that's been ok because if I leave at 5:00, I can still make it home by 6:30, and it's still light.

However, the DST switch is coming up rapidly. Once that happens, dusk will be around 5:30, and I'm not sure what I'm going to do then. I'll need to find a more powerful front light, because mine doesn't illuminate anything in the dark right now, it's too weak.

Don't forget you'll need to add time in the morning for changing your clothes once you get to work. I'll talk more about this in a bit.

In general I think giving yourself an hour of extra time when you first start out is reasonable, just until you get the hang of the commute and figure out how long things will take. Don't forget that you'll get faster too. My very first commute to work took 1:40, and my fastest on that same route was a whole 30 minutes faster, at 1:10. So after you get used to the commute, you can begin to cut more and more extra time off. You'll also get faster at changing flats too... :|


Clothing Issues
Here's what I do for clothing. At the beginning of the week I try to take a gym bag to work carrying 2-3 sets of spare clothes, and leave them at my cube. Do not cycle in dirty clothes, make sure you cycle in clean clothes. Take a shower immediately before getting into your cycling clothes too, and put on deodorant.

Then when I get to work I go to my cube, get the gym bag, go to the bathroom (not ideal, but it works) and change into my work clothes. In the gym bag I also carry a box of baby wipes and deodorant. I take off all of my clothes (socks, bike shorts, shirt, everything) and stick them into a plastic grocery bag, to keep them segregated from the clean clothes. I use baby wipes to wipe off the "body odor strike zones": arm pits and groin/butt mostly. If you're sweaty elsewhere give a quick wipe there as well. If your hair (if you have hair! I'm rapidly losing mine... grrrr) is soaking wet take some paper towels and dry it out. If there's a hand dryer that's even better, run your head under that. Once you do this, reapply deodorant and get into your clean clothes. If you've done things properly, you should not smell bad. Body Odor is caused by bacteria that grows in sweat, so if you took a shower before cycling, the bacteria should be at a minimum on your body, and the baby wipes will eliminate any colonies that may have started growing. If you cycled in dirty clothes however, that will be problematic, as bacteria in the clothes will transfer to your body and it may be in too large quantities for baby wipes to clean.

Then I get to my desk and drop off the gym bag in the corner, and then just switch back into cycling clothes at the end of the day and ride back. For the ride home I usually use the clean socks I wore all day, as well as the t-shirt I wore all day, as I don't really find it comfortable to change back into the dirty ones from the morning.

At the end of the week I take the gym bag home, and re-stock it with new clothes for the next week.

Occasionally I'll have one of those weeks when I can cycle on a Monday or Friday. In those cases I'll just stick a set of spare work clothes in my panniers, inside a plastic grocery bag to keep them dry if it's raining.


That's all I can think of at the moment, I hope this helps!


subzeroLV
10-22-11, 07:28 PM
Excellent job! Very nicely done.

I'm totally with you on the left hand turns. They are my least favorite part of riding a bike.

Mithrandir
10-22-11, 07:36 PM
Before I forget: I would HIGHLY recommend testing out the route on a weekend before going to work. Do a practice "dry run" as it were. This will give you a good idea of how long it will take, and what issues you will run across. Plus, if you can do the route to work and back in one sitting, doing one half in the morning and one half at night should be a snap!

Also, a word on nutrition. When I first started I would feel my legs cramp up during the day. Luckily the vending machines at work carried V8 so I would chug a can of that to replenish my potassium during the day. 2 months of doing that and I never had any cramping issues after that. After a while I tired of V8 and stopped doing that, but my fitness has improved to a point where I no longer cramp without the V8 anyway. I would recommend keeping some potassium-rich foods at your desk at least during the first month or so.

Additionally, when I first started, I needed to have a burst of complex carbs about 30-45 minutes before I left work, or I would never make it home without feeling super groggy. Usually a granola bar or two is enough. As with the potassium, the need for doing this became less and less, and I no longer eat anything shortly before leaving work.


Mithrandir
10-22-11, 07:43 PM
Politics: no one wants to hear it. Your coworkers will notice you biking to work at some point. They will ask you why. If one of your reasons is lowering carbon emissions, don't mention it. Doing so will sometimes annoy someone who strongly does not believe in global warming, so it's best to avoid conflict. Just say you do it for fitness and fun, and leave it at that. Don't brag or pretend you are better, or even tell them that they should do it, no one wants to hear it.

Sometimes people will think you're too poor to own a car. Let them.

chefisaac
10-22-11, 08:27 PM
great write up. I couldnt wait until monday to read it! :) (inside joke between mith and I).

Questions: What type of rain gear do you bring? If it is raining, do you wear the sovers that go over your shoes? What type of clothes for cold weather do you wear?

Do you have a game plan for ice/snow?

Are you riding a road bike?

Mithrandir
10-22-11, 08:52 PM
Bike shops: make sure you always know the location of the closest bike shop at any point in the ride, and what their hours are. For my first month I would only commute on tuesdays and thursdays because the LBS near my halfway point is open until 7 on those days. Any other day they're either closed or open until 5.

Rain gear: nothing dedicated. Since I change my clothes at work I don't care if I get soaked. You may want to keep a backup pair of shoes at work though.

Cold weather: as a clyde, it's hell trying to find cold weather cycling clothes. The local B&T just doesn't carry any. They have some general purpose Reebok "Play Warm" clothes that work well however. No cycling pockets though, so I just got a triathalon top tube bag to store stuff I might need during the ride. Also: wool socks. Third best invention on the planet besides bikes and fenders.

Winter: a balaclava may become necessary. I'm also thinking of studded tires. Since my office is closing on December first, I fear I may never get to winter commute.

Bike: I ride a mountain bike that I've converted into a hybrid. I feel the upright position gives you a better view and allows you to look back easier. Lower gearing is also helpful for stopping at lights often. Get the best brakes you can get. If I were building a new commuter, I'd get disc brakes for the rain and snow. I'm using V-brakes and they are also great, but have lessened braking power in the rain.

Neil_B
10-22-11, 09:32 PM
Politics: no one wants to hear it. Your coworkers will notice you biking to work at some point. They will ask you why. If one of your reasons is lowering carbon emissions, don't mention it. Doing so will sometimes annoy someone who strongly does not believe in global warming, so it's best to avoid conflict. Just say you do it for fitness and fun, and leave it at that. Don't brag or pretend you are better, or even tell them that they should do it, no one wants to hear it.

Sometimes people will think you're too poor to own a car. Let them.

Good advice. Along the same lines:

http://www.commutebybike.com/2010/12/11/how-to-talk-about-cycling-to-a-conservative/

"Global warming, Climate Change or Climate Disruption. If it’s as bad as Al Gore says it is, it will take more than a few bike lanes to fix it. But more importantly, you don’t need to win that fight (or even engage in it) to make your point. Cycling has plenty of merit without dragging in tangential and controversial issues like Global… whatever the heck they call it this week."

Neil_B
10-22-11, 09:34 PM
Sometimes people will think you're too poor to own a car. Let them.

Alternately, they may think you've lost your license, probably for DUI.

chefisaac
10-23-11, 04:32 AM
mith: look up UNDER ARMER. it is amazing base layering. I truely love it.

Rhodabike
10-23-11, 07:12 AM
I'll add just one thing, don't duck right over to the curb in between sporadic parked cars (gap of 2-3 car lengths). This is something I see all too often. My commute follows a long straight route, and I can see how invisible this makes a cyclist who does it. From several blocks away I can see another cyclist...now I can't... where did he go?.... there he is again...now he's gone...
A straight predictable line to the outside of the parked cars makes you much more visible and cars will notice you long before they become aware of the curb-darter.
Okay, one other thing, always pass on the left. If there's a long line of cars backed up in the curb lane it's usually because motorists are turning right. If you pass them on the right, sooner or later you'll end up in someone's blind spot and get right-hooked.

chefisaac
10-23-11, 12:29 PM
For days that is overcast or in the AM, Mith, are you wearing clear white glasses (like safety glasses)?

Mithrandir
10-23-11, 03:07 PM
I always wear clear white glasses, as they are prescription, and I'm too cheap to get sunglass versions. I suppose I ought to one of these days.


Checklists: When you first start, make two checklists. One for prepping the bike, and one for leaving the bike at work. Here's an example of mine:

Prepping bike (do this the night before):
1. Check that hand pump is on frame
2. Check tire pressure
3. Check brake cables
4. Mount lights (front and rear)
5. Mount cyclocomputer
6. Make sure locks are in panniers
7. Lay out clothes
8. Prepare lunch and food for the next day, put in panniers or refrigerate if perishable
==== sleep ====
9. Put keys, wallet, work ID, and cell phone in panniers
10. Go!

Leaving bike at work:
1. Stop cyclocomputer
2. Lock front wheel and frame to post
3. Lock rear wheel and frame and saddle using cable lock
4. Remove lights and cyclocomputer, put in panniers
5. Remove hand pump, put in panniers
6. Remove panniers and carry
7. Remove water bottle and carry


The reason for the checklists is that you don't want to forget anything, and you usually aren't thinking too straight in the morning. After you do it often enough, it'll become habit, but the first few times the checklist helps ensure that you don't forget anything. Trust me, you're not going to want to turn back halfway to work once you realised you forgot something.

Neil_B
10-23-11, 03:15 PM
I always wear clear white glasses, as they are prescription, and I'm too cheap to get sunglass versions. I suppose I ought to one of these days.


Checklists: When you first start, make two checklists. One for prepping the bike, and one for leaving the bike at work. Here's an example of mine:

Prepping bike (do this the night before):
1. Check that hand pump is on frame
2. Check tire pressure
3. Check brake cables
4. Mount lights (front and rear)
5. Mount cyclocomputer
6. Make sure locks are in panniers
7. Lay out clothes
8. Prepare lunch and food for the next day, put in panniers or refrigerate if perishable
==== sleep ====
9. Put keys, wallet, work ID, and cell phone in panniers
10. Go!

Leaving bike at work:
1. Stop cyclocomputer
2. Lock front wheel and frame to post
3. Lock rear wheel and frame and saddle using cable lock
4. Remove lights and cyclocomputer, put in panniers
5. Remove hand pump, put in panniers
6. Remove panniers and carry
7. Remove water bottle and carry


The reason for the checklists is that you don't want to forget anything, and you usually aren't thinking too straight in the morning. After you do it often enough, it'll become habit, but the first few times the checklist helps ensure that you don't forget anything. Trust me, you're not going to want to turn back halfway to work once you realised you forgot something.

On one of my first commutes, I forgot a lock. I had to make a detour to a bike shop and buy a new one. Another time, I forgot socks. I had such a reputation for eccentricity by then that no one paid any attention to the fact I wore yellow and red cycling socks with dress shoes.

Mithrandir
10-23-11, 08:19 PM
On one of my first commutes, I forgot a lock. I had to make a detour to a bike shop and buy a new one. Another time, I forgot socks. I had such a reputation for eccentricity by then that no one paid any attention to the fact I wore yellow and red cycling socks with dress shoes.

One time I forgot my hand pump. That was a nervous day. Luckily I had no flats.

Then another time I forgot underwear. Went commando that day. Luckily no one had to know about that. It was oddly liberating, but I have yet to repeat the experience.

Forgot my plastic grocery bag for the saddle a bunch of times. Not sure how they keep finding their way out of the panniers. This usually happens when it rains, too. So I usually get a bag from the office somewhere, someone's always got one somewhere.

chefisaac
10-24-11, 02:43 AM
can you not bring your bike into work?

Mithrandir
10-24-11, 05:58 AM
can you not bring your bike into work?

Sadly, no. Many places will not allow you to, as bikes can be messy.

The first day I biked to work, I was insecure about leaving it locked up I went to the window about 10 times that day just to check if it was still there. I still check on it once a day, but not to see if it's gone missing; I check on it to see if either of the tires have gone flat around lunchtime. Sometimes you'll get to work and the tires will feel fine, but you may have sprung a slow leak, so that by the end of the day, the tire has gone flat. So when I check at noon I can either change the tube during lunch, or decide to leave work a little early to deal with the flat.

Bike theft is a huge problem in big cities, but it's not really a concern in smaller cities, in my experience. Every day I see 2-3 other bikes at the rack, and sometimes they're not even locked up. Most of the time they haven't bothered to lock up both the QR wheels and the frame, so someone could easily just steal the frame or a wheel or two. But in 4 months this has not happened yet. Regardless, you don't want to be riding a very expensive bike to work. Ride a cheap bike that you're ok with someone stealing eventually. If it never happens, awesome. If it does, you're not devastated.


How I learned to stop worrying and love the rain: Ignore the weatherman. He's wrong. He's wrong more than he's right, usually. I've skipped over 10 bicycle commutes simply due to the fact that they say there's going to be terrible storms, and then they never materialize. I've also gone on commutes where he's said that there's a 0% chance of rain, only to find myself in a downpour. He could have at least given himself some leeway and said 10% chance, so why 0? I don't know. They're full of it. As such, don't psych yourself out by saying "oh I can't bike today, weatherman said there's going to be rain!". So what if there's rain. Learn to love it. Honestly it doesn't rain as much as you think it would. Most rain storms last a few minutes at most. Sometimes it may rain all day, but it's rare when it's a complete downpour for the entire day. The majority of rain is light and hardly annoying when cycling. Be prepared for rain, but don't be afraid of rain. After all, it's just water.

chefisaac
10-24-11, 06:09 AM
mith: I was thinking about you this morning when I was at the gym. The news report mentioned gas was the on the rise again. How much do you think you save, say per week, on riding to work? Have you had toruble with your panniers getting mouldy at all?

Mithrandir
10-24-11, 07:20 AM
Cost Savings: The IRS suggests that the cost-per-mile of owning a car in 2011 is 51 cents, which factors in gasoline, insurance, maintenance and depreciation, but not the sale price of the car. This is a general guideline to start from but it will never be as accurate as you want it to be, because there are too many factors involved. Since I used to drive 24 miles to work, that would put me at 48 miles a day, which using the IRS figure, puts me at saving about $25 per commute. This is potentially on the high side of the actual figure, however, because I still have to pay insurance whether I drive to work or not. Depreciation occurs whether you drive the car or not as well, simply by the fact that time goes by. So I feel comfortable estimating my savings at roughly $20 per commute. When I started, I went a month doing just 1 commute a week, so I saved about $80 that month. For October so far I've done 8, and will probably finish off with 10, saving me $200 this month.

Here's the rub, however. I'm not sure what it is about bicycling, but for some reason I am compelled to keep purchasing things for my bicycle. Last night I just plunked down $110 on a helmet-mounted 400 lumen light. Heh. I've already spent more than $200 on bicycle things this month, so in the grand scheme of things I haven't really saved any money. I imagine that as time goes by I will eventually end up with everything I want, save for tubes, tires, grease, cassettes, and chains (which all run out/wear out over time), and the money saved will start piling up. In fact last month I tried making a game out of it; telling myself I can't spend any money on the bike until I've saved up that money by commuting. So for every commute I would put $20 in a virtual jar, and when I reached enough to pay for the next accessory, I would buy it. Using that method you can come out even pretty easily; but this month's purchases on winter-related gear has blown my budget out of control.

The majority of your immediate savings will come from gasoline costs. My gas bill has been up to $200 in the past, but will be $0 next month, because I haven't yet filled up in October, and I've still got a half tank left. That doesn't give a complete picture, as I'll have to fill up eventually, but for now I think I can estimate my gas usage at around $40 a month, rather than the $200 it used to be.

An unseen savings is health benefits. Let's face it, we're all clydes here in this forum, and one of the unfortunate realities of being a clyde is that our health costs are more than the average bears. Diabetes, heart disease, etc; later on in life we will be in trouble if we don't get our conditions under control. I had to be hospitalized last year due to an insane blood pressure reading; the ambulance cost $300, the ER visit cost another $200, the follow-up doctor visits cost $30 a pop (weekly for 6 months, that adds up fast; $720), the blood pressure meds cost $20 a month, which worked out to $240 for the year I was on them. Being unhealthy cost me a lot of money that could have been avoided. That's $1500 right there, for one incident. If this keeps happening I'll be drowning in medical costs. Luckily, I've taken control of my health, and chances of something terrible like that happening again in the future are now lowered dramatically. In my opinion, these are the true savings of cycling.

Moldy Bags: I haven't had an issue with my panniers. I do wipe them out occasionally with a damp cloth, so I would advise doing that. Or you could go for some waterproof Ortliebs, those look rather fancy, and I may get some when I decide to start touring either next year or the year after. Tonight I've got a trunkbag arriving, which has a rain cover, so I'll be using that for commuting from now on, so cleaning it out shouldn't be a huge concern any longer.

Ear Plugs: People don't realise how noisy the road really is. You usually spend your time in a semi-sound-proofed metal box, so it's not a surprise that when you start riding a bike in traffic, you are startled by just how noisy it is. Usually it's not a huge problem, but then you'll have a truck that releases his airbrakes right next to your eardrums. Or a motorcyclist who decides to show you that he's faster than you because he's got a motor, and guns it right next to you. Or maybe you ride next to a train track, and a train decides to blast its horn near you. Those incidents have all happened to me, and so I went in search of a solution. I ended up purchasing a pair of Etymotics noise-reducing ear plugs. They simply dampen the sound around you so you can still hear everything going on around you, but sudden bursts of sound will no longer cause your ears any damage. I highly recommend something to put in your ears.

RubeRad
10-24-11, 08:35 AM
Thx for all this Mith, lots of good ideas in here.

My situation is in most ways better than yours. I live in San Diego, so it almost never rains (and it certainly never snows!), the route to my work has generous bike lanes almost the entire way (can't think of a spot that's made me uncomfortable), I can shower at work and keep my bike inside.

The only way my commute is worse than yours, I guess, is that it's longer. 26.something miles, and some significant hills (have to cross the geographical feature they call "Mission Gorge"). Haven't been able to do a one-way in under two hours yet, always about 2:10--2:15. That's just too much time out of my life, I got a family to spend time with. So far I've been looking for opportunities to ride one-way and get a ride the other. One of these days I'll rack the bike to work on my car, ride home in the evening, rest overnight, and then ride back in the morning. I think that would work a lot better for me than trying to fit two 2+hour rides into the same day.

I'm seriously thinking about moving closer to work though. I think it would be ideal if I lived 8mi from work. Then I could replace my current 1/2hour each way car commute with a 1/2hour each way bike commute.

Have you ever thought about looking for a new home that would give you a better commuting route?

LongT
10-24-11, 05:38 PM
Thx for all this Mith, lots of good ideas in here.

My situation is in most ways better than yours. I live in San Diego, so it almost never rains (and it certainly never snows!), the route to my work has generous bike lanes almost the entire way (can't think of a spot that's made me uncomfortable), I can shower at work and keep my bike inside.

The only way my commute is worse than yours, I guess, is that it's longer. 26.something miles, and some significant hills (have to cross the geographical feature they call "Mission Gorge"). Haven't been able to do a one-way in under two hours yet, always about 2:10--2:15. That's just too much time out of my life, I got a family to spend time with. So far I've been looking for opportunities to ride one-way and get a ride the other. One of these days I'll rack the bike to work on my car, ride home in the evening, rest overnight, and then ride back in the morning. I think that would work a lot better for me than trying to fit two 2+hour rides into the same day.

I'm seriously thinking about moving closer to work though. I think it would be ideal if I lived 8mi from work. Then I could replace my current 1/2hour each way car commute with a 1/2hour each way bike commute.

Have you ever thought about looking for a new home that would give you a better commuting route?

Any safe places to park a car part way. That is what I did when the commute was too long, 35 miles one way. Drove the car with the bike on top. Parked in a lot, OK with store owner, rode the remainder of the way in. Stopped on the way home and loaded the car.

I wish I could commute now. I work 2nd shift so it's dark for the ride home. No shoulder and fast traffic. I guess being 64 I've also lost some fearlessness (word?)

Bil

mgw189
10-24-11, 06:57 PM
Awesome thread.....

Couple of things I do I picked up some waterproof camping bags at walmart a set of three smaller ones and one large one that would hold a sleeping bag. I use them for my clothes even though my panniers are water resistant. I just dont trust the shopping bags. My commute is much shorter though... only 4.5 miles one way. I have ridden in a tropical storm however with my clothes in one of those bags and never had an issue.

redeyedtreefr0g
10-24-11, 08:50 PM
Wow, this is a treasure trove on information for any person thinking about commuting. I'm glad I read the whole little thread, you keep adding nuggets of awesome to it :D

I personally was very worried about traffic when I first started riding my bike. Partly that was due to regular fear of the unknown (and knowing how crazy people drive when you're in a CAR is scary too, if you're on a bike...?) and partly because my husband tends to be overly protective and concerned for the safety of his one-and-only me.

But it turns out not to be nearly as bad as I thought. I would ride on the shoulder of a 55mph 2-lane road without too much worry. Most people don't want to hit you and face those consequences just as much as you don't want to be hit. When I did have to get in the roadway, I acted just like I knew what I was doing, and made sure that people knew my intentions. Before I knew it, I actually did know what I was doing. I would merge when there was space, or hold my hand out and check a whole bunch to be sure the guy driving could see me. Only once or twice was I not sure enough, and slowed down to wait for a better opportunity. That was only in a particularly busy intersection which I eventually found a much more pleasant way around. I always wait at red lights, and almost always at stop signs. There are a few that I may slow almost to a stop before pedaling through without putting a foot down (which means coming off the seat) when there is no traffic in sight both directions.

I tend to smile and wave a lot. It's much easier to tell if a driver waiting at a cross street actually sees you and is intending to let you pass safely when they've waved merrily back at you or nodded in response. It helps that I'm a small female with colorful ribbon streamers, I think.

crashmo
10-24-11, 09:15 PM
Great thread. I have started watching the terrain on my drive to work, and I never realized how unbelievably hilly it is! There's only about 7 miles of it, but there are no sidewalks and people drive CRAZY!!! I want to commute but my carcass and the roads to work may not let me. I am studying multiple options for a route to take...

Mith thanks for the great advice and informative write-up.

chefisaac
10-25-11, 09:36 AM
How do you keep your shoes dry when commuting in the rain?

chefisaac
10-25-11, 09:38 AM
And what's your back up plan if someone goes south and if you have to get to work?

And what fenders did you get? Tough to mount to the mountain bike?

RubeRad
10-25-11, 09:40 AM
Any safe places to park a car part way. That is what I did when the commute was too long, 35 miles one way. Drove the car with the bike on top. Parked in a lot, OK with store owner, rode the remainder of the way in. Stopped on the way home and loaded the car
Thanks for the tip Bil. As it happens, another complicating factor is that my kids' school is about 5mi from work. I do look for opportunities to do the dropoff/pickup and bring my bike and commute from the school (and they're fine with me leaving the car there). The big problem there is that dropoff is at 8, I get to work and have to shower, start work no earlier than 9, pickup is at 3, so I have to leave work no later than 2:30, that makes for a 5 1/2-hour workday, which I have to make up elsewhere in the week (which gives me less time to cycle!)

I guess I could also use that parking lot for a commuting midpoint, but then there's "Hey hon, since you already have the car at the school, why don't you pick up the boys today..." and we're back to square one.

What can work better is to hitch a ride up here when the wife drops the kids off (and she drops me+bike off at work too) and then I just have the one-way to worry about.

mgw189
10-25-11, 10:03 AM
Chef I have some of these Louis Garneau Wind Dry shoe covers they work great and pack down to nothing...

http://www.louisgarneau.com/us-en/product/305541/1083074/Shoe_Covers/WIND_DRY_SL_SHOE_COVER

I also have a pair of the Pear Iziumi Amfib tights they are awesome... waterproof and wind proof. I need a lighter pair of tights for this time of year because these have been over kill thus far.

http://www.pearlizumi.com/publish/content/pi_2010/us/en/index/products/men/ride/apparel/0.-productCode-11111030.html

As for the upper body I have a light weight coat made of a similar material as the Amfib tights. It works well for a rain shell but is not as breatheable as I might like it to be.

Wearing the tights and coat this time a year (50 degrees) I am sweating. I am just dealing with it because its to late to buy a lighter tight as far as I am concerned.

RichardGlover
10-25-11, 11:24 AM
Cold weather riding:

I commute year round. There is cold-weather cycling gear you can buy. After 'making do' with non-cycling-specific gear, I highly recommend specializing here.

Here's a good list to get you started:

fleece-lined leg warmers.
fleece-lined arm warmers.
wind vest.
fleece balaclava (not cycling-specific).
full-finger MTB gloves.
cold-weather cycling gloves.
Toe covers and/or shoe covers.


That list will get you down to the low 40s.

Add to the above:


Tape the vents on your helmet closed.
merino wool baselayer - long sleeve jersey or shirt, and possibly pants.
Warmer gloves.
Platform pedals with non-cycling winter boots (or, spring for some Lake winter boots - pricey, but I hear they're good).
wind jacket.
fleece vest or jacket.
Shower caps - one for your helmet, one for your saddle.


That'll get you down to the teens or so. Haven't dealt with temps below that.

Like running, you don't dress to keep warm when you first walk out your door; you dress to be warm after the first 10 minutes of your ride.

Dress in layers. Add or remove items as you need to. Everybody's got their own temperature tolerance threshold, so you have to experiment with what works for you. Check the weather report every morning. Have bag space to carry everything you might need that day. It might be 20 degrees warmer on your ride home, or 20 degrees colder.

Keep your cell phone with you, and make sure it's fully charged before each leg of your commute. Worst case, you can lock up a broken-down bike and call a cab to get you home.

The upside of working out in the cold is that you don't need as much gear to keep you warm. The downside to this is: if you break down, you might not have enough gear to keep you warm. Have a safety margin just in case - even if it's a 'space blanket'. They pack small, you'll hope you never need it, but it'll help keep you alive if you have to wait 30 minutes in the cold for a ride. Maybe your route is all in the city, with open retail businesses no more than a 1/4 mile from any given point. Maybe that's enough of a safety margin.






Answers to the question "Why do you ride your bike to work?"


To make hybrid drivers feel bad because I'm getting better gas mileage
So hybrid drivers can feel good about being able to pass somebody.
Because it's easier than carrying it.

cyclokitty
10-25-11, 05:12 PM
Commuting by bike is lots of fun even in wet, chilly weather. First, you're still going faster than the pedestrians. Second, for those who ride public transit, you won't be on public transit with wet angry people.

Mithrandir
10-29-11, 06:32 PM
How do you keep your shoes dry when commuting in the rain?

I bought waterproof hiking boots. This may not be applicable to people who use clipless pedals though. I'm not really sure what to do there.

Mithrandir
10-29-11, 06:36 PM
And what's your back up plan if someone goes south and if you have to get to work?


Sadly, my options are limited to:

1) walking
2) bus (highly dependent on hours, as the bus that comes to my village only stops by once a day, at 5pm; next closest is 10 miles away)
3) taxi

Bring a cell phone. As much as I hate being connected to "the grid" 24/7, a cellphone will be your savior in an emergency.

I aim to be able to fix 99% of the common problems I'll run into with tools in my kit, however.



And what fenders did you get? Tough to mount to the mountain bike?

Planet Bike. They were surprisingly easy to fit on mine, but I imagine modern mountain bikes have far less amenities for add ons like racks and fenders. I was actually surprised that my bike had all the eyelets and braze-ons needed.

Mithrandir
10-29-11, 07:23 PM
Rapport/Experience/Confidence: As you begin to commute on the same route more and more, it will get easier to deal with traffic. I'm not sure what exactly it is, but I figure it's a combination of three things.

1) Rapport with other drivers. If you work a 9-5 job, or any other common work hours, you will typically be sharing the road with the same people every day. The first few times you commute, you'll probably confuse them, as you'll more than likely be the first bicycle commuter they've run into (unless you're lucky enough to live in a cycling haven like Portland). They'll be confused and not know how to act. They may beep at you and be angry because you had the "nerve" to waste a few seconds of their day. As you do the commute more and more, they'll get used to you being on the road. They'll understand that no, beeping at you did not cause you to give up. You're here to stay, and they must learn to accept it. Now, when they see your rear blinkie lights a mile away, instead of churning brain cells trying to figure out what to do, they'll begin to prepare to pass you earlier and safer. At least, that's my theory.

2) Experience on the road. As you ride the road more and more you get an idea of what to expect. Which intersections are busy, how fast cars go at certain spots, which turns are blind, where the potholes are, and so on. Knowing what to expect lets you be more prepared.

3) Confidence in dealing with traffic. People seem to respect you more when you act like you know what you're doing. If you're all over the place, cars get confused as you don't seem to know what you're doing, and that can make situations dangerous.

So as you ride more, things get easier. But...


Even if you do everything right, you can still end up dead. Cars do idiotic things all the time, no matter what you do. It's human nature. You can be doing everything legally and properly, and there will always be some fool who decides they don't care about interacting with you in a legal manner, and do something that puts you at risk. Therefore you must always be paying attention. Here's a few examples of things that happen to me:

1) I used to ride on a road with a dangerous intersection. I wrote a post here describing it. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/764068-Advice-on-a-dangerous-intersection. Basically I would take the lane to go forward, but cars would whip around me on the left, and then merge two lanes over to the right to make a right turn. This behavior never made any damn sense to me, because they would accelerate just to reach a red light. What they should have done was slow down and then pass me on the right once they could safely move into the turn lane. But they never did. They just couldn't figure it out, so ultimately I gave up on that route and found a better one.

2) Watch out when there are cars making left turns on 2-lane roads, when you are traveling in the same direction as them. They will stop and wait for oncoming traffic to clear out so they can turn left. However, traffic behind them gets extremely annoyed at having to stop and wait just because some jerk wants to turn left (I mean seriously, how dare he?). 99% of the time they will go around the car on the right. They usually do this without slowing down, so they go through the shoulder at an extremely high rate of speed. If you're staying to the right or in the shoulder, these cars will often attempt to coexist with you. And I don't mean the type of coexistence where you get to keep on living, I mean the type where Jeff Goldblum coexisted with Sarcophaga Bercaea after a matter transporter accident in David Cronenberg's opus "The Fly". These are the situations you must be prepared for. When someone is turning left, be completely aware of every car around you, lest one of them decides getting to work a few seconds sooner is more important than you living the rest of your days out.

3) Taking the lane is sometimes touted here at BikeForums as a safe way to ride, because it makes you more visible. For the most part this is absolutely true. It annoys the hell out of drivers, but I have noticed that they tend to react in safer ways than if you're riding in the gutter. However, just because you've taken a lane, that doesn't mean that all cars will react to this in a sane manner. Often people will unsafely pull into oncoming traffic to get around you. Other times they will try to pass you as close as they can, in a very fast and dangerous manner. Just be aware of this. When you see or hear a car accelerating be ready to ride to the right in case they aren't sure of the dimensions of their Steel Behemoths. Most of them haven't got a clue.

5) I like to call these people Creepers. They see your blinkie lights from a mile away, but they don't merge until the last possible second. No one knows why, but they creep up on you and then bam, merge into the left lane to pass. Ok fine, they at least changed lanes, what's the problem? The problem is the car that was tailgating him that couldn't see you because there was a car in the way. Now you've got a car that's almost on top of you and has had no time to prepare for your existence. Be prepared to ditch into the shoulder whenever someone creeps up on you like that. You can be as visible as you want, but your visibility is limited to a single car behind you.
5) Frost. I discovered this one the hard way this week. Apparently the vast majority of Americans are lazy bastards who cannot be bothered to scrape the ice off of their windshields in the morning after a hard freeze. Most only bother to scrape a small portion of the front windshield on the driver side only, not even bothering with the passenger side, back, or side windows. As I said before, you can try to be as visible as possible, but all the reflectors and blinkie lights in the world aren't going to penetrate that layer of frost that Mr. Cager thinks he doesn't need to see through. If you see a car with frosty windows, assume he doesn't see you and act accordingly.

6) Winnebago's. These people drive truck-like vehicles, but are not required to get trucking licenses or learn how to drive them properly. It's quite insane, really, but hey, it's an American pastime. At least until the oil runs out. (Seriously people, ever hear of hotels?). Anyhoo. These people are out of their minds. Assume that when you see a Winnebago, it's someone who has no idea how big their vehicle is, and stay the hell away. In fact, if you see Winnebago's traveling down a road frequently, remove that road from your route if at all possible.


GPS and Google/Bing Maps.Go ahead and get a GPS or use Google/Bing Maps to map your ride to work, using car mode. See all those roads it tells you to ride down? Stay off of them if at all possible. Every other cager on the planet has access to a GPS or Google/Bing maps now, and these mapping programs are optimized to route traffic onto the roads with the broadest and fastest traffic flow. You want to stay away from these roads, because every cager on the planet will be directed towards these roads.

There's a funny anecdote I have about the Google Maps Effect. I live next to Canada, and we have several bridges here in the area that go to Canada. Everyone for the longest time used the Peace Bridge because it was closest to where they lived. What they never took into consideration is that if you actually time things out, taking the Lewiston/Queenston bridge up north a few miles was far faster because there was less traffic and it merged directly onto the QEW once you got into Canada. It was like my personal secret way of getting into Canada fast. Then Google Maps came out, and their algorithm realised this. Now the Lewiston/Queenston bridge is backed up 2-3 hours every single day because everyone takes it, because Google/GPS tells them to. So... be wary of roads that GPS units tell you to use. There's a lot more traffic on them because of it.

gyozadude
10-31-11, 05:42 PM
Wow. Great writeup Mith. My commute is a luxury compared to yours. Half the distance round trip. Plus, it's all flat. I live in California and therefore 340+ days of great riding weather a year. A chilly ride is like 50 deg F. I park my bike inside across from my office where I can see it. And we have elevators and, heck, it's CA, so when people ask me about why I ride into work, of course, I hate to pay CA taxes on gasoline! Plus the parking lot is full anyway so driving is a pain. My 9 miles one-way is just 30 minutes and most of it flatter than a pancake and on bike path with zero cars and buxom ladies in various exercise attire who are friendly. And it's so casual at my company, that I'm mostly not worried about wearing shorts and tshirt. But I'll archive your tips if I live elsewhere.

Mithrandir
11-02-11, 08:46 PM
Temperature changes while you're working. This morning it was nearly 30 degrees. By the time I left work today it was almost 70. I had forgotten about this effect. Back at the peak of summer, it was typically about 60 in the morning and 90 at night. This made the morning commutes wonderful, but the afternoon commutes dreadful. Luckily I didn't have to worry about showing up to home all sweaty, since I had a nice shower waiting for me. Either way, I wore the same clothes both ways.

In Winter, it's different. At 30 degrees you'll want to be wearing your long-fingered gloves. At 70 degrees you'll want your short-fingered gloves. Bring them both when the temperature swings through this large of a range. Yesterday I brought my long fingered gloves and the deep-freeze outer shell for them, thinking it might get cold. Since I hadn't looked at the weather report, I didn't realise it was going to be 60 on the way home, and I overheated.

rhammons
11-04-11, 09:33 AM
Wow, what a great source of info! Nice work Mith. I'm considering some winter commuting here in Cleveland, and all of this is super helpful and I'm sure I'll be coming back to reference it.

Doohickie
11-04-11, 10:54 AM
Wow, this is a treasure trove on information for any person thinking about commuting.

There is a whole forum on the subject, you know....

I can see how getting a primer in one thread is useful though.

Neil_B
11-04-11, 11:05 AM
There is a whole forum on the subject, you know....

I can see how getting a primer in one thread is useful though.

It also means you can avoid the flame-wars in Commuting.

indyfabz
11-04-11, 11:08 AM
There is a whole forum on the subject, you know....

I can see how getting a primer in one thread is useful though.

Did you ever hear the part of Denis Leary's CD "No Cure For Cancer" where he talks about the need for the film "The Doors"?

Mithrandir
11-04-11, 12:41 PM
It also means you can avoid the flame-wars in Commuting.

Precisely. I mentioned using a bike helmet somewhere above, and miraculously this thread didn't turn into a 10-page flamewar about them. That never happens in the commuting forum.