Classic & Vintage - Opinions on Sachs New Success

Considering doing a build using as much Sachs gear as I can get my hands on.

Anyone have experience with Sachs New Success or Sachs-Huret Eco drivetrain components? If its crap I won't bother.

I have Sachs New Success RD on my 84 Specialized Allez, because the Superbe RD couldn't go lower than 24t. The New Success works well for me.

1st Gen New Success is exactly what I'm considering. Thanks abarth.

I have nothing to add but this old scan:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nvxFxQano2o/RmmzkjX3XaI/AAAAAAAAAYw/LvU0eMs186U/s800/Sachs-Gruppo-1990.JPG

Good looking stuff.

I have 96' Sachs New Success with Ergos. The shifters and cranks are made by Campagnolo and the brakes are made by Modolo. The RD, FD are made in France by Sachs and are vary smooth. The Zinn bicycle book was great to figure out how to service the Ergos. The down side is brake pads are hard to find or expensive. I'm working on filling the inside slot so they will fit Shimano type pads.

I always wanted to try the New Success especially with that 2 speed cassette hub.

Alan can't you slide the Campi style KoolStop pads in those holders? I mean assuming you have the OEM holders. you need to trim or round one end but I did this on a set of modolo brakes.

The pads on the bike when I got it where 6400 Shimano with nuts glued inside and allen bolts to secure them. Vary enginered.

IC I would suggest looking about for a cheapish set of Modolos and robbing the holders from them. then use a Campi style replacement pad.

I have the Sachs-Huret New Success RD on my stock '86 Peugeot. Works fine... Not sure what generation it is. Front derailleur is Sachs-Huret AV 62.10D.

Last week I rode my similar vintage Campy SR equipped bike after riding the Peugeot almost exclusively for the last month or so. WOW, what a difference... the click-click-click-clunk-trim-trim was noticeably gone.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee180/SvenMN/IMG_4818.jpg

I'm moving that project slow, I'll find a solution. Stock or modifyed.

I use the last generation of the New Success line, the Quarz, on my Super Course and like it very much. I've got to say, all the Huret stuff I've used has been top-notch. Even the Allvit, though it's heavier than a lead wedding band, works really nicely. The worst you can say about the Eco stuff is that it's a little massy.

I have the Sachs-Huret New Success RD on my stock '86 Peugeot. Works fine... Not sure what generation it is. Front derailleur is Sachs-Huret AV 62.10D.

Last week I rode my similar vintage Campy SR equipped bike after riding the Peugeot almost exclusively for the last month or so. WOW, what a difference... the click-click-click-clunk-trim-trim was noticeably gone.


Thanks Sven. Nice looking Pug you got there from what the pic shows :)
That Rear Derailleur is exactly the one I'm talking about. So your experience is that the shifts aren't terribly crisp with the Sachs? I see you've got the Short Cage model which I expect would be the more crisp shifting of the models.

Do you attribute that directly to the derailleur or do you think the Cassette and shifters were more to blame?

The derailleurs were from France? I wonder where the design for the derailleur originated from? The then defunct Simplex? Or was it Huret, because you saw Sach/Huret labels on many of their stuff back then Sure does not look like any Huret I've ever seen, more like a moderned up Simplex to me. There was Sachs/Maillard too and Sachs/ Sedis. Sachs was kinda doing a "Spidel" thing I guess....
It's interesting how Modolo was able to sell that brakeset to Edco and Mavic too, so you can't tell what brand you're looking at if the silk screened on labels were scratched off. I'm looking for brake pad alternative too for the Mavic versions I have. No way those hard Modolo "sintered" pads are going to ever touch my dark anodized Mavic and Wolber rimmed wheels I built up last year!
Thing with Sachs is, their groups were made of such a hodge podge of really different brands that crossed borders too, so there sseems to be no focus on the makeup of their groups. Spidel was easier to figure out as it was all French stuff.
JMOs

Chombi

I have 96' Sachs New Success with Ergos. The shifters and cranks are made by Campagnolo and the brakes are made by Modolo. The RD, FD are made in France by Sachs and are vary smooth. The Zinn bicycle book was great to figure out how to service the Ergos. The down side is brake pads are hard to find or expensive. I'm working on filling the inside slot so they will fit Shimano type pads.

This is what I heard too....

Zaphod, I see you are in Smuggler's Notch? LOVE that part of the world. I take the family up there every Christmas and usually for a bit in the summer too. Riding through the Notch from Stowe to Jeffersonville is one of the most challenging and most beautiful rides in the world. :thumb:

Rock on Rocket-Sauce, its awesome up here :) I say that both as a bicyclist and a snowboarder, and simply a lover of nature.

I've only lived here since August but I've done the Notch starting in Jeffersonville over to Stowe twice so far and it certainly is a challenge. Both times I managed it on my World Voyageur with a low gear of 42x22 but lemme tell ya I was begging for a lower gear by the top! :lol:

Next time you're up, drop me a line :thumb:

I'm sure I've posted it before but here's a shot from a ride through Pleasant Valley which is about 5 miles south of Jeffersonville. Mt. Mansfield (where the notch road runs) is the tall peak shrouded in clouds in the distance.
what's not to like :)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GfHaNckAPJw/TmQYTF7nBBI/AAAAAAAACrA/lJCofw3E8VA/s800/IMG_0326.JPG

I was going to report on my '86 Peugeot PSN-10 Triathlon with stock New Success but I see SvenMN has the exact same setup :lol:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4688688352_d2306dd503.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcschafer/4688688352/)

My experience is the same as his, of course.

I'm using the 8s ergo shifters and long cage rd and New Success cantis on my IF. I didn't like the fd and couldn't find the cranks so I'm using a Campagnolo triple instead. It all works and looks as good as the Italian stuff.

I have an extra short cage rd from that 8s era in VGC but with a broken barrel adjuster if you're interested.

I also have a Sachs-Huret Eco somethingerother rd that is steel and plastic and is quite possibly the ugliest derailleur I've ever seen. If for some strange reason you want that it's yours for the cost of postage.

Do you attribute that directly to the derailleur or do you think the Cassette and shifters were more to blame?

ZD: Stop by and take it for a spin! Feel/hear for yourself :)

Don't get me wrong, the New Success shifts just fine. Very similar to my former '85 Peugeot PH501 with the Huret Rival RD which has many, many miles on it.

BTW, the Peugeot shown above has the standard later Helicomatic hub/freewheel, Sedis chain, and Stronglight chainrings with fresh derailleur cable.

My ears/feet/hands/butt tell me shifting my stock '86 New Success RD equipped Pug is noticeably less crisp than my full '85 Super Record equipped bike. I suspect all the related components besides the RD come into play here especially condition/design of cogs, rings, chain, and cables. Both bikes have fairly low miles without apparent excessive wear. I have run a different rear wheel with Record hub and Shimano freewheel, with similar shifting results to the Helico wheel.

Hope I haven't muddied the waters further...

rcschafer: Coool! Tastefully upgraded! I'll bet your riding season is a bit longer than ours...

Hope I haven't muddied the waters further...

No on the contrary you've clarified what I wanted to know :thumb: Thank You! When I make it out to Minnesota again I'll take you up on that offer :)

My De Rosa has Sachs 8s ergo shifters and a new success rd with a Campy record 10speed generation fd and crank with Dura Ace 8sp chain and cassette 12-26. (maybe 13). I was skeptical of this set up when I purchased the bike earlier this year, but after 2000 miles it still shifts smooth as silk. Here is an overexposed phone picture of the rd I took in the spring.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/rennrad12020/SachsNewSuccessrdDeRosa.jpg

I had a "less than stellar" experience with my Duopar Eco. I think it's an outstanding looking unit, but it had issues, and feel it's a fragile design.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg651/scaled.php?server=651&filename=hpim4745.jpg&res=medium


The chain kept jumping the top jockey wheel and getting stuck between the wheel and the inner cage:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg692/scaled.php?server=692&filename=hpim4747j.jpg&res=medium


I replaced it with an old Deore XT and EVERYTHING about it is better. I'm going to be swapping the XT RD for a Suntour XC Pro.




I actually kind of like the Sachs/Huret Pilot FD.

Zaphod you're going to beat me to it.

I wanted to be the only one with a Superbe Pro, Mavic SSC , and New Success bikes. I haven't had much luck with the New Success bits. I've got a 48h front hub (believe it or not) and something else, though I can't remember now what it is.

Was there a New Success triple front changer and were there the Ergo levers that worked with a triple, anyone?

Was there the Ergo levers that worked with a triple, anyone?

campagnolo ergo levers are not double/triple specific. i dont see why the sachs ones would be any different

Zaphod you're going to beat me to it.

I wanted to be the only one with a Superbe Pro, Mavic SSC , and New Success bikes.


:lol: Funny thing is the other direction I'm considering going if I don't go New Success would be Mavic SSC. Superbe Pro would also be cool....

I've never used a Huret that shifted with what I call a 'crisp' feel. They all have a smooth, buttery feel. Suntour Cyclone is 'crisp.'

You would think that a derailleur is a derailleur but I find the Hurets all share that trait. I wonder how it comes about.

Aren't most "Schwinn Approved" derailleurs from the 70's made by Huret? Would that be an example of the buttery smooth feel you're talking about.

I know what you mean about Suntour Cyclones, its like driving a car with a Shift Kit. You get that *KA-Chunk* kinda kick when you change gears.

By the way, the Sachs/Huret ratcheting downtube shifters are really cool as well. A cool gunmetal blue/black/chrome and a nice "paddle" shape to them.

Like this, but chrome, and have what look like the Suntour ratcheting mechanism.

http://velobase.com/CompImages/Shifter/0991C9D3-F9A6-4C7E-9E48-5A0EEE3EBAE1.jpeg

I have Sachs/Huret ARIS on my Fuji, shifts wonderfully. Hits the gears with a solid *thunk* reminiscent of a colt .45 auto chambering a fatboy. Never misses a shift, and easy to adjust. Love it.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6041/6318273337_2d000e5b0c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76636917@N00/6318273337/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6237/6318830812_de14181c85.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76636917@N00/6318830812/)

I've always thought the New Success RDs from Sachs were copies of Shimano DA 7200. But without the plastic bushing weakness. If they shift anything close to the crisp authority of the DA Ex, then they should be excellent. That Aris above is a sharp looking piece.

I have always wanted a Richard Sachs frame. Now I know what I'll build it up with :thumb:

I think I have one of those RD's somewhere.