General Cycling Discussion - 700c, Drop Bars, and Disc Brakes!

Time to update the hell out of this thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/368115-drop-bar-discbrake-700c-off-the-peg?highlight=drop

Commuting/Touring:

Surly Disc Trucker ($1400): http://surlybikes.com/bikes/disc_trucker

Jamis Aurora Elite ($1600): http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/road/aurora/12_auroraelite.html

Jamis Bosanova ($1275): http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/road/aurora/12_bosanova.html

Kona Sutra ($1500): http://www.konaworld.com/road.cfm?content=sutra

Salsa Fargo ($1400-$1800): http://salsacycles.com/bikes/fargo/

Singular Peregrine ($?): http://www.singularcycles.com/peregrine.html

Redline Metro Classic ($1100): http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes/commute/2012-metro-classic

Redline Metro Sport ($800): http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes/commute/2012-metro-sport

Civia Bryant ($1800): http://civiacycles.com/bikes/bryant/

Gensis Day 1 (1000-1700 pounds): http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/day-01/day-01-alfine-11

Planet X Kaffenback ($1400): http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/CBPXKAFFDISC/planet_x_kaffenback_drop_bar_disc_hybrid_bike

Kinesis Decade Tripster frame ($730): http://www.kinesisdecade.co.uk/product.php?id=1

Brodie Elan: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/elan.php

Brodie Argus: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/argus.php

Raleigh Sojourn: http://www.rb01web.com/bikes/steel-road/sojourn-12/

Lynskey Backroad Traveller frame ($3400): http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/st...-traveler.html

Lynskey Backroad frame ($2200): http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/backroad.html

Pompetamine Versa ($1100): http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPOMP...etamine_versa_

Traitor Ruben ($600, frame only): http://www.traitorcycles.com/Bikes_Ruben.cfm

Cyclocross:

Jamis Nova Race ($1200): http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebikes/road/nova/12_novarace.html

Van Dessel Gin & Trombones ($1149, frame only): http://www.vandesselsports.com/?page_id=31

Motobecane Fantom Outlaw ($900): http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/outlaw.htm

Other bikesdirect.com bikes that have substandard components.

Felt F65X ($1750): http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2012/Cyclo-X/Cy/F65X.aspx

Specialized TriCross Elite ($1900): http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCProduct.jsp?spid=62012&scid=1101&scname=Road
(Mikesbikes has a version with worse components for ($1150)

Specialized CruX ($2100): http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCProduct.jsp?spid=62219&scid=1101&scname=Road

Genesis Vapour Disc (1200 pounds): http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/vapour/vapour-disc

Genesis Croix De Fer (1100 pounds): http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/croix-de-fer/croix-de-fer

Merida Cyclocross 5D ($?): http://www.merida-bikes.com/en_gb/bike/2012/46/Cross/Cyclo+Cross+carbon+5-D

Stevens Vapour (1600 pounds): http://www.stevensbikes.de/2012/index.php?bik_id=150&cou=UK&lang=en_US

Focus Mares ($?): http://www.focus-bikes.com/int/en/bikes/bikes-2012/category/cyclocross-11/model/mares-ax-20-disc.html

Origin-8 CX700 Steel Cross ($162, frame only): http://www.origin-8.com/?page_id=91&short_code=Origin-8+CX700+Steel+Cross&cl1=FRAMES+%26+ACCESSORIES

Look X-85 ($: if you have to ask...): http://www.lookcycle.com/en/uk/route...x-85-bike.html

Brodie Romax: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/romax.php

Brodie Ronin: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/ronin.php

Lynskey Procross ($3600): http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/st...e-special.html

Lynskey Cooper CX frame ($1800, Ti): http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/cooper-cx.html

Soma Doublecross DC ($400, frame only): http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/double-cross-dc

Road:

Salsa Vaya ($1300-1700): http://salsacycles.com/bikes/vaya/

Kona ***** Inc ($1700): http://www.konaworld.com/road.cfm?content=*****_inc

Volagi Luscio ($2900-4500): http://www.volagi.com/bikes

Raleigh Roper ($1500): http://www.rb01web.com/bikes/steel-road/roper-12/

Raleigh Furley ($820): http://www.rb01web.com/bikes/steel-road/furley-12/

Monstercross:

Singular Gryphon ($?): http://www.singularcycles.com/gryphon.html

Rawland Drakker ($600, frame only): http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=3878

Van Dessel WTF ($700, frame only): http://www.vandesselsports.com/?page_id=17

Salsa Fargo ($1400-$1800): http://salsacycles.com/bikes/fargo/

Voodoo Nakisi ($300-350) (requires "Nakisi Stem" for drop bars): http://voodoo-usa.com/bicycles/nakisi

Vassago Fisticuff ($580): http://vassagomtb.com/fisticuff/

The list is not complete, add your input!

Civia Bryant (Alfine) $1800
http://civiacycles.com/bikes/bryant/

Felt F65X (Cyclocross) $1750
http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2012/Cyclo-X/Cy/F65X.aspx

I'm sure there are more.

Volagi Luscio Ultegra (~$3600)
http://www.volagi.com/bikes/introducing-volagi%E2%84%A2-liscio-ultegra-%E2%80%9Cbraking%E2%80%9D-all-rules-msrp-359500

Specialized TriCross Elite (Cyclocross, although Specialized calls it "Freeroad") ~$1600 http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCProduct.jsp?spid=62012&scid=1101&scname=Road
Also, disc version of TriCross Sport ~$1150 http://mikesbikes.com/product/12specialized-tricross-sport-disc-130907-1.htm

Specialized CruX Comp Disc (Cyclocross) ~$1900 http://mikesbikes.com/product/12specialized-crux-comp-disc-apex-130562-1.htm

Specialized crux http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCProduct.jsp?spid=62219&scid=1101&scname=Road

Thanks for the input! I've updated the list in the original post so that everything is all in the same place.

I have to say, that Volagi....it makes me drool.

we're getting closer to my ultimate commuter bike: 700c, drop bars, HYDRAULIC disc brakes, IGH, and titanium frame with fender clearance.

bikesdirect.com does sell a titanium cyclocross with disc frame and fork tabs and disc compatible wheelset, but comes equipped with canti's.

will anyone ever make hydraulic levers for drop bars?

Genesis Day 01: http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/day-01/day-01-alfine-11
Genesis Vapour: http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/vapour/vapour-disc
Genesis Croix De Fer: http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/croix-de-fer/croix-de-fer
(http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bikes/cross/croix-de-fer/croix-de-fer)
Merida Cyclo Cross Carbon 5-D: http://www.merida-bikes.com/en_gb/bike/2012/46/Cross/Cyclo+Cross+carbon+5-D

Stevens Vapor: http://www.stevensbikes.de/2012/index.php?bik_id=150&cou=UK&lang=en_US

Focus Mares AX 2.0:http://www.focus-bikes.com/int/en/bikes/bikes-2012/category/cyclocross-11/model/mares-ax-20-disc.html
Focus Mares AX 4.0: http://www.focus-bikes.com/int/en/bikes/bikes-2012/category/cyclocross-11/model/mares-ax-40.html

Planet X Kaffenback: http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/CBPXKAFFDISC/planet_x_kaffenback_drop_bar_disc_hybrid_bike

Origin-8 CX 700 frame: http://www.origin-8.com/?page_id=91&short_code=Origin-8+CX700+Steel+Cross&cl1=FRAMES+%26+ACCESSORIES

Kinesis Decade Tripster frame: http://www.kinesisdecade.co.uk/product.php?id=1
Photo (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3408/3449405255_a3efe22862_b.jpg) with drop bars.

Look X-85: http://www.lookcycle.com/en/uk/route/velos/uk-x-85-bike.html

Brodie Romax: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/romax.php
Brodie Ronin: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/ronin.php
Brodie Elan: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/elan.php
Brodie Argus: http://www.brodiebikes.com/2012/bikes/argus.php

Raleigh Roper: http://www.rb01web.com/bikes/steel-road/roper-12/
Raleigh Furley: http://www.rb01web.com/bikes/steel-road/furley-12/
Raleigh Sojourn: http://www.rb01web.com/bikes/steel-road/sojourn-12/

Redline Metro Sport: http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes/commute/2012-metro-sport

Lynskey Procross: http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/lynskey-2011-procross-cyclocross-complete-special.html
Lynskey Cooper CX frame: http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/cooper-cx.html
Lynskey Procross frame: http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/procross.html
Lynskey Backroad Traveller frame: http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/backroad-traveler.html
Lynskey Backroad frame: http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store/backroad.html

You got an LBS with all those brands? in stock?


will anyone ever make hydraulic levers for drop bars?
NB the early adopter needs a big wallet for any of the cable to hydraulic conversion
schemes , to have brifters and hydraulic discs.
Boutique small German shops,+ Hope, UK and TRP all put that part alone
up to several hundred bucks..
http://www.hopetech.com/page.aspx?itemID=SPG342
http://www.trpbrakes.com/article_detail.php?aid=21

the Magura Drop bar hydraulic was a closed system, for their rim brakes.
they stopped making those LongAgo.

Here's some more hydro conversions:
http://trickstuff.de/de/products/Doppelmoppel.php
http://www.dbikes.ch/dbikes_konverter.html
http://www.felix.ch/shop/details.php?code=FE-058.501
http://www.324labs.com/324labs/Home.html
http://road.cc/content/news/45111-cycle-show-2011-%C2%A0use-unveil-prototype-disc-brake-converter

Awesome list to refer to as I'm jonesin' for one next year (in a couple weeks!)

Add On-One Dirty Disco and Foundry Auger to the list.

I have to say, that Volagi....it makes me drool.


Indeed, the frame is lust-worthy however the rear drop outs is 130mm spaced and uses a 130 hubs. Me thinks 135mm will be the rear disc hub standard on future road/cross bikes. It's already an established standard.

NB the early adopter needs a big wallet for any of the cable to hydraulic conversion
schemes , to have brifters and hydraulic discs.

i'm not looking for hydraulic brifters, just a standalone hydraulic brake lever that can fit on a road bar without needing any kludgey cable-to-hydraulic converter mechanism.

when will manufacturers make those? they make hydraulic brake levers for flat bars, why won't someone make them for drop bars? is it really too much to ask?

Dan, dan , dan,

When will "They" make this for you?:innocent:
When there is a demand, in short.

Ah, time to get some investors and design engineers
and take the bull by the horns..

Market survey, and see what the market demand is..
Consumer goods manufacturers respond, to sufficient consumer demand..

or have great sense that the demand is untapped, risk the money and give it a go.

for now you maybe a demand population of one.

Cyclo cross racing is the market the parts I linked to, are meant to serve..
Those people run brifters, that occupy the space inside the brake lever body.

You need to go to trade show in Taipei, with a line of credit, some Drawings,
and talk to the movers and shakers in the industry..

In the Autumn, there is a EuroBike industry trade show in Germany
those pieces were introduced this year, there.
and one for North America, in 'Vegas.

Magura of Germany is a precision metal die casting company,
mountain bike brakes and M/C brakes are just Part of the company, for example..
show them the money and they can do the job too.
:popcorn

Pompetamine Versa
http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPOMPETVERSA/on_one_pompetamine_versa_

I'm slowly updating the OP with all the great new bikes you guys are identifying.

Since I'm still a budget-conscious student, I'm extremely intrigued by the Origin-8 CX700. Less than $200?!? I don't know anything about this company; is there a catch? When it comes to CroMo frames, I think Surly/Salsa, which are over $500. Hell, I even found Soma Fabrications for $450 (which also looks great, BTW).

Can someone please tell me what the catch is, there? I mean, it's less than half the price of competing frames! Also, what's up with that 132.5 mm hub spacing? They're claiming it will fit 130 mm and 135 mm hubs...is that actually true and/or acceptable?

My personal favorite: Traitor Ruben (http://www.traitorcycles.com/Bikes_Ruben.cfm).
$600 for the frame.
~$1,700 for the build kit.

Sharp4a9: Just noticed you're a fellow Minneapolitan! Happy trails, neighbor.

BTW, yeah 132.5mm rear spacing will fit both 130 and 135 mm hubs. No prob in my experience.

I'm slowly updating the OP with all the great new bikes you guys are identifying.

Since I'm still a budget-conscious student, I'm extremely intrigued by the Origin-8 CX700. Less than $200?!? I don't know anything about this company; is there a catch? When it comes to CroMo frames, I think Surly/Salsa, which are over $500. Hell, I even found Soma Fabrications for $450 (which also looks great, BTW).

Can someone please tell me what the catch is, there? I mean, it's less than half the price of competing frames! Also, what's up with that 132.5 mm hub spacing? They're claiming it will fit 130 mm and 135 mm hubs...is that actually true and/or acceptable?

I have both the Soma Double Cross and the Origin-8 CX700. The CX-700 is a Monstercross frame.

I'm in the process or building-up the CX-700.

The Soma is better all-around, but won't take silly-big tires for singletrack or winter trail riding. I got the Soma down to 22 lbs and the bike was a fast century bike, the CX-700 would fail as a pure road bike.

The CX-700 is cheap enough to have for fun, but a monster-cross bike will be slower and require more effort to ride as an everyday bike, I expect.

The CX 700 has huge flexability. It has fender & rack mounts that most MTB do not have. It can be a drop-bar 29er like the Fargo or Vaya. It can take Cantilever or Disc brakes. It can be a single speed or multi-speed bike. It can even take an IGH.

I'm going to use it as a test bike for winter conditions, touring and single-track.

But, it will be heavier and more of a beast than most CX bikes.

...what's up with that 132.5 mm hub spacing? They're claiming it will fit 130 mm and 135 mm hubs...is that actually true and/or acceptable?

My personal favorite: Traitor Ruben (http://www.traitorcycles.com/Bikes_Ruben.cfm)...132.5mm rear spacing will fit both 130 and 135 mm hubs. No prob in my experience.
My experience is different, the middle measurement doesn't do either 130 or 135 perfectly. A little refacing of the dropouts was needed in my case for the axle nut/spacers to fit evenly, I chose to parallel match my 132.5 width dropouts for a 130mm hub. I'm probably in a minority insisting on that level of precision though.

What category is the Ruben to be placed in? Marketed as a cyclocross/commuter, mine is recognizable as a road bike with 25mm slicks, the genre blurs a bit with 32mm Cypres tires mounted, and one poster labeled it Monster Cross when I displayed it with wide 650b wheels.

Werkin:

I've heard other people have problems with the 132.5 mm sizing. I have a 135mm hub and it works fine. My points of reference have been old, much cheaper bikes, however, so I might have different standards when it comes to how a bike feels.

I think my Ruben can be placed in the cyclocross/commuter and maybe light touring category. For me it's my fun bike which means long road rides and occasional off-road dirt riding. I never ride it to work as my workplace is in a high theft area and I am a paranoid mfer (my old mtb gets to sweat it out while I'm working).

No problems with 132.5 mm dropouts on my Soma Double Cross.

The OP is now updated with everyone's posts so far. I'm beginning to think that it would also be good to organize by frame type and cost, rather than just geometry. Maybe I'm just thinking that because I kind of like Excel.

Interesting info on dropout spacing...I have no idea what to make of it.

I used to see these at REI. It looked like a great all season commuter, that would accommodate studded tires for winter commuting and training. I might even have used it for certain cross races that are less conducive to to my usual SS cross race rig. I really wanted one, but they never had it in my size, and now I don't see them around at all.
http://www.rei.com/product/779985/novara-buzz-road-bike

The Monster-Cross group needs refinement. A Monster-Cross bike can take 29er tires in the 700x45 to 700x50 (or larger) ETRTO size range. Most of these will require a MTB crank and will not fit a road crank with a standard BB length.

The Origin 8 is a Monster-Cross Bike.

Add the Gunner Fast Lane to the commuter group: http://gunnarbikes.com/site/bikes/fast-lane/

Add Gunnar Hyper X is a (racing) Cyclocross bike frame: http://gunnarbikes.com/site/bikes/hyper-x/

Most Gunner Rock Tour frames are set up with drop bars, this would be another Monster-Cross frame: http://gunnarbikes.com/site/bikes/rock-tour/

Marin Lombard:

http://www.marinbikes.com/2012/bike_specs.php?serialnum=2212&Lombard

Add the nashbar x frame http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_173397_-1_202650_10000_202389

I've had my Volagi for a couple of months now and I got to say I love it. At 17lbs there doesn't seem to be a penality for discs and the bike comes with fender mounts. Nice ride.

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