Fifty Plus (50+) - What makes your bike work for you?

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stapfam
12-20-11, 02:48 PM
Been test riding a few bikes recently. I am up for N+1 next year and this will be my last bike for a while. Problem is--I don't really know what I want.

Into road now and have a couple of good bikes in the Giant TCR-C and the Boreas Ignis and this is what I am basing this posting on. The Boreas is almost perfect. May be Aluminium but some how it is resilient. Has the right amount of give in the frame to give a compliant ride but stiff enough so that it does not lose power through flexing. Groupset is a mix of 105 and Ultegra and weighs in at 16 1/2 lbs in ride trim with Pump- full bottle and wedge. It works for me but is a little too aggressive a ride position for rides over a metric. Has a Compact 50/34 and 12/27 cassette and will manage all the hills in my area.

But longer or hillier rides than the metric and the TCR comes into play. C.F. Frame and mainly 105 with a triple 50/39/30 and 12/25 cassette. That is one very stiff frame but a hand-built set of wheels and it has a bit of comfort for the longer rides. This bike goes up hills and I know that is down to the engine but literally- you start a hill and it is done. Boreas and I have to work on the stiffer ones. Bit heavier at just over 17lbs but I don't feel the extra weight.:innocent:

That N+1 is still being researched and I do realise that it will take a bit of time and possibly a few part changes to sort the bike for me. I know the size I want and the grade of components I would like. I like to have the bars a bit lower than the saddle and that can be sorted on the fit. Components and I may go down to Tiagra if cost limits the purchase but would prefer 105 as a minimum. Wheels and if the bike is cheap enough then a decent set of hand built's may be bought- or even go up to the Ultegras that are lighter and not much more.

I am experienced enough a rider to know what is going to work for me- and when I sit on the saddle and have done a decent test ride I will know it

But what is it that makes bikes work for you?


AzTallRider
12-20-11, 03:59 PM
Besides fit, which you already have sorted out, I want it smooth and quiet (which implies a lack of excess friction, and good quality components), I want it to be stiff yet not transmit vibration, and I want it light.

sauerwald
12-20-11, 04:53 PM
My legs?

Seriously, I have 4 bikes, 2 of which get the vast majority of miles. The two which get the most miles are both custom built steel frames.

I have been doing a challenging charity ride for several years now - it covers 450 hilly miles in 4 1/2 days. The first few times I did it, I rolled into the finish as one hurting puppy. For my first custom frame, I told the frame builder that I wanted a frame which would be comfortable for long days in the saddle at a pretty good clip. I wanted a fast bike, but was willing to sacrifice some speed for comfort (a tradeoff which becomes more important with each year I put behind me). The first year I had that bike I rode from Montreal to Boston, and when arriving in Boston, felt like I could have gotten back on the bike and ridden back up to Montreal - it was great.

My second custom bike was done when I decided to give up my car, and make the bicycle my primary mode of transport to/from work. I had a purpose built commuter designed for me, and have never regretted it.

Fit is by far the most important parameter, and you can't do better than a frame that has been designed and built for you. As time goes by, you can upgrade components, wheels etc, but the frame is the foundation for everything else.


bradtx
12-20-11, 05:10 PM
Spike, HMMM, I have to wonder if you're thinking about a style of bike you don't already have?

Brad

HawkOwl
12-20-11, 06:16 PM
Boy am I way, way out of synch with you pros. You say a bike "doesn't work for you" unless it has certain components. I wonder if you jumped on a bike with all the component labels removed if you truly would be able to tell the difference? I say that because when I was bike shopping I got tired of the LBS telling me the difference between different setups was "better materials". Come to find out the "better materials" were required because lower weight meant less material so stronger needed to be used. Mind you a few ounces one way or the other, to this person, seemed to be mostly a mental thing for all but the most competitive cyclist. Never mind those ounces can, for most people, be obtained by better physical fitness.

So, what works for me? Any bike upon which I feel comfortable and with which I can have fun. Which specific bike that is can only be determined by riding the machine. I suggest that should be the case for everyone except the competitive rider. I don't mean the rider who is a competitor in their own mind; but one who is truly a contender.

CACycling
12-20-11, 06:34 PM
Boy am I way, way out of synch with you pros. You say a bike "doesn't work for you" unless it has certain components. I wonder if you jumped on a bike with all the component labels removed if you truly would be able to tell the difference?
When I took my wife shopping for her road bike a few years back, she didn't know the difference between Sora and Dura Ace (actually, she still doesn't) but she saw a night and day difference between the Sora and Tiagra level bikes she test rode and the Ultegra-equipped one I ended up buying her. The better components felt better to her. A lot better. Not scientific but it isn't just about the labels.

jethro56
12-20-11, 06:37 PM
Besides fit, which you already have sorted out, I want it smooth and quiet (which implies a lack of excess friction, and good quality components), I want it to be stiff yet not transmit vibration, and I want it light.

+1 especially the bit about not transmitting vibration

Allegheny Jet
12-20-11, 06:46 PM
To me bikes are a lot like golf clubs. I guess that I could play a whole round with a 5 iron by using it for every shot and could ride a mountain bike about anywhere. However if I golfed, I would choose to have a club for the different shots I'll be taking and try to select the shafts, grips and heads with a cost/benefit analysis. I would also be limited by my wife as to how many clubs I have in the bag just like I am with the number of bikes hanging around in the garage and basement.:D

tsl
12-20-11, 07:00 PM
What works for me is that each one of my bikes has its own personality. They (finally) all fit the same and I'm positioned the same on all four. Although they each have a primary role to fulfill, there's a good bit of overlap between them. I'll ride any of them to work (and I do), or on a club ride (and I have). While any of them would work on a century, two of them would work better than the others. Each brings a little something different to the table.

The Portland just oozes confidence and competence. Right from the first mile of the test ride, I knew that the bike would go wherever I pointed it, without complaint or fanfare. In the ride and handling department, it's the bike equivalent to an S-class Mercedes. Handles like a sports car, rides like a sedan, feels solid as a bank vault.

YellowBike is frisky. It reminds me of a puppy. Open the door and it shoots out. All it wants to do is run and play. That bike wears me out.

Blue Steel is a bit of a dichotomy. It's a crit bike--handles like one, and performs like one. It's a real hoot to ride, particularly in the cut-and-thrust of city traffic. But the bike's personality is all happy and sunny. It's just as content to poke along in the single digits. And it climbs like the dickens.

I named the Litespeed "Jeeves" because it completely disappears, then when it's needed, it's right there, having anticipated my needs. It has a reserved, understated way of communicating, much like the stereotypical English butler. It's quiet in the main, but when the road goes "BUMP!", Jeeves reports, "Pardon me sir, but there's a bump. All over now. Sorry to have bothered you." Although it has yet to bring me tea.

So for me, it's not what components they wear (there's everything from Sora to Dura-Ace in the mix). It's not that they're all fast, or all handle well, or all ride nice. It's not their sizes (56, 57 and 58 are represented) or their geometry (that's all over the map) or their material (two are aluminum, one steel, one titanium). It's their certain intangible "personalities" that makes me like them.

jimmuller
12-20-11, 07:26 PM
Interesting question, interesting replies.

There are so many dimensions to the answer that it is hardly answerable. I'd say it must fit, which is to say the body must feel comfortable in that position and over those roads. My bikes are all steel and old, but after I'd set them up to be comfortable I measured the setup of each and discovered I'd set them up very much alike. I can ride the Gran Sport for 75 miles easily. I rode the UO8 for 25mi/round-trip commutes all summer and it made me happy.

The bike must be able to answer its required use. To that purpose I've chosen my own gears (compact double, 2x6 for the GS, 2x5 for the UO8) and my own wheel and tire combinations, and my preferred carrying capacity of a medium-sized, soft-shell handlebar bag (and panniers on the UO8), and my choice of saddle. The commuter has generator-driven lights so I never ever worry about being caught by the dark. Neither bike is a super-lightweight but neither feels too heavy to ride (I've lightened the UO8, of course).

It must look good so that I like seeing it. One can't ride with one's eyes closed.

And if they feel good while I'm riding then they are just right.

Dudelsack
12-20-11, 08:13 PM
Comfort, comfort, comfort.

If my neck stiffens up, the ride is over, at least as far as enjoyment is concerned.

The answer: that which name must not be mentioned.

BluesDawg
12-20-11, 09:30 PM
For me, a new bike needs to have a unique purpose among my stable of bikes and then it must be ideally suited to perform that function in the way I want it to be done.

Jim from Boston
12-20-11, 09:45 PM
What makes you bike work for you?


... It's their certain intangible "personalities" that makes me like them.
Nicely written, tsl. I only have two bikes, a Bridgestone RB-1 steel frame for good conditions, and a beater Cannondale mountain bike with studded tires and fenders, soon to have disc brakes. The Cannondale, bought used as a good deal because it fit, works because I am confident and comfortable on it in any weather. I bought the Bridgestone because at that time it felt good on a brief test ride and it fit. It occasionally really proves its mettle on a long ride when I come to the state where I recognize that I "become one with the bike"; certainly an intangible, but recognizeable state. Ted Williams, the Boston Red Sox Hall of Famer is reported to have said that on a good day, he could see the stitches on a pitched ball, and that's I guess my cycling equivalent of feeling one with the bike.

I am always thinking about getting a carbon fiber bike, and I do wonder how I will recognize those intangibles on a test ride. My shop does rent CF bikes, so I will first rent one for a long one-day ride to see if they are worth the price.

Stealthammer
12-20-11, 10:07 PM
What works for me is that each one of my bikes has its own personality......... ........It's their certain intangible "personalities" that makes me like them.

+1

The Salsa Campion is stiff and very responsive, and it handles with a quickness that I really appreciate in a road bike, yet it is comfortable enough to ride for 8-10 hours without causing me discomfort.

The Pake fixie is single-minded and simple, and there is a tranquil quality to the riding experience that is best appreciated when riding alone.

The Serotta T-Max Commuter is just a gas to ride anywhere at anytime and it draws a crowd at every stop which makes riding it a bit of a social experience even when I am riding alone.

The Fisher Opie inspires me to disregard any rules or limitations and to play like a kid again. By reconfiguring it, it works great as a Freeride MTB, an Urban Assault "play bike", a Trials bike, or a Winter commuter that can take on even the worst weather we encounter.

The Redline Monocog SS 29er is a dedicated trail/woods bike that excels at the one thing it was built to do, and I can confidently "ride it hard and put it away wet", until the next ride.

Each is like a good friend that I share very specific interests with, but none of them really share anything with any of the others, but no matter which one I get on at the beginning of a ride, each one really defines the type of ride we will be doing.

bruce19
12-21-11, 04:01 AM
My Masi Gran Criterium works for me 'cause my gf bought it for me for a 60th birthday present. I can't look at it without thinking of her.

qcpmsame
12-21-11, 06:13 AM
Stapfam,
Have you given any thought to doing a build on your choice of frames so you get the geometry you like, the correct component for each application (triple crank, compact double, road double, stem and bars......) and the details you prefer on you road bicycle. Just a thought. Merry Christmas and a bicycle riding New Year.

Bill

stapfam
12-21-11, 09:56 AM
Stapfam,
Have you given any thought to doing a build on your choice of frames so you get the geometry you like, the correct component for each application (triple crank, compact double, road double, stem and bars......) and the details you prefer on you road bicycle. Just a thought. Merry Christmas and a bicycle riding New Year.

Bill

Done this on both frames. Bought as Frame and forks and built up. Boreas and I test rode the owners bike and he has the same frame size as me. Got the parts sorted to give a light bike and parts were sourced for Known quality and necessity---And I kept an eye on cost. At the time this was a $5,000 bike and it has proved itself time and time again. On the TCR- I test rode a TCR-3 and liked it-----but the shop had some lightweight TCR-C frames in stock I bought a TCR-3 bike and transferred all the parts onto the lightweight frame getting a good price for the TCR-3 frame. The bike I finished up with was not the same as the bike I test rode. The frame is stiffer and I put Mavic Aksium wheels onto it. Stiff frame- stiff wheels and my weenie weight of 150lbs and it was unridable. Eventually got it sorted by putting the hand-built wheels onto it. Then later changed it to a triple to give me an alternative for the longer hilly rides.

But like most- test rides prove whether a bike is going to work for me. There are certain criteria I look for before buying and top tube length is one of them. Frame size is not that important as They vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. Providing the TT is around 535mm- then I am in the right region. The other I look for is seat tube angle. I have a marginally short thigh so I look for a 74deg seat tube angle. That will put put me in the right position over the pedals and an in-line seat post helps aswell--instead of the laid back version. The other thing I look at is wheels. Or rather I don't bother too much. I do not like OM wheels so will get a decent wheel in place- or use the OM wheels for Foul/ winter riding.

Material and I am the exception to the rule. Maybe I have a hard ass- or too many years of mountain biking- but C.F.Does nothing for me. That lightweight Aluminium on Boreas I find comfortable. But test rides do prove the rule that most C.F. is stiff but compliant. It's just that Boreas suits me better. Then the components--Groupset and it is what you can afford to run to.--- But handlebars. They all vary in shape- and size and cost and weight. That is only one component so it can take a lot of time to find the bits to fit you.

But that N+1 I want--I am looking at 3 bikes--A Cheap Pinarelo with Tiagra groupset--A Whyte bike CX bike. Whyte make top grade Mountain bikes and the cross is a new venture for them

http://www.whytebikes.com/2012/bike_page.php?ModNo=W-1-037-12

And finally the Giant TCX--Or a 29er--Or an MTB.

Almost sold on the Whyte bike but test ride still to get.

Hermes
12-21-11, 10:33 AM
Besides fit, which you already have sorted out, I want it smooth and quiet (which implies a lack of excess friction, and good quality components), I want it to be stiff yet not transmit vibration, and I want it light.

+1 In addition, I like a bike to be unique - such as a watch can be. All watches provide the time of day but some offer much more in terms of features, style and prestige. I like working on and cleaning my bikes. When I go for a ride, I like the chain to sparkle and the drive train to run silent. Many times, it is during the cleaning, pre-ride inspection and tuning of the bike when I really appreciate the finer components and their fit and finish.

lhbernhardt
12-21-11, 02:37 PM
I use my steel Rodriguez fixie for just about EVERYTHING - commuting, errands, long rides, short rides, travelling. I've ridden it on the Burnaby indoor velodrome in its track configuration, and I rode it in Paris-Brest-Paris last August. Just about at the end of this year, I'm very close to putting 20,000 km just on this bike.

What makes it work for me:
1. It's sized properly - correct seat tube and top tube lengths and proper stem length and saddle height, determined by 40 years of riding.
2. It's made of True Temper OX - I like to feel the bike vibrate underneath me; it keeps me fresh over longer distances.
3. I ride it with a fixed gear most of the time. This keeps my legs fresher over longer distances.
4. It was built with S&S Couplers - I can travel with it at minimal additional cost. On some airlines (Westjet) it's still free.
5. It's a standard platform so I can continuously change and upgrade components without having to bother with proprietary components. I use two basic configurations: in winter, it's aluminum bars and seatpost, with Centaur-level brakes and older wheels. In summer, it's carbon fiber bars and seatpost, with Chorus-level brakes and lighter wheels for special occasions. The Chorus brakes will likely be upgraded to Record at some point, and then the Chorus stuff will join the winter configuration. I expect the Cane Creek 110 headset to last 110 years, as promised, and I'm seeing how long the F1 ceramic BB will go.

I guess I'm just a contrarian; I find the notion of N+1 just plain silly & materialistic. For just riding around (no competition), most bikes will handle anything. And if it doesn't, then using that bike for that purpose will make you a stronger and more skillful rider.

L.

fietsbob
12-21-11, 02:50 PM
Bike Friday Pocket Llama, disc brakes, rohloff hub, Trekking bars,

IG hub so wearing my rain cape I don't have to look at the drivetrain,

to know what gear ratio is Next.


low top tube, so even when my hip is acting up,

I don't have to swing my right leg over the saddle to get on.

[It was an issue in the spring.. weight bearing on the left one]

Hub Dynamo as its dark, early .
this being winter solstice , that will slowly improve, now.

Retro Grouch
12-21-11, 03:49 PM
Since I've had 2 serious accidents this year, Mrs. Grouch refuses to ride the Screamer with me ever again. That leaves 2 choices: 1. give up tandemming or 2. buy new hardware.

I have an opportunity to acquire a pre-owned Greenspeed recumbent, tadpole, tandem trike, complete with a custom trailer to haul it, at a favorable price. It's tempting but would create a variety of new problems to solve (like where to store it). Another option is to acquire 2 recumbent delta trikes that link together. The logic side of my brain likes the idea of linked deltas but they just sound heavy, slow, and grandfatherish to me.

I don't even pay attention to what components come on new bikes anymore. Ultegra, Sora, who cares? It's only a question of time until I get the upgrade virus again.

ericm979
12-21-11, 07:08 PM
My two road bikes are both set up close to the same position. One's a Pedal Force generic carbon frame with left-over components and is my rain/backup bike. The other is a Cervelo R3SL with a carefully selected mismash of components. Shimano 7800 and 7900, ritchey stem, specialized seat, dead post, easton bars. It started out as an early R3 and the frame got upgraded to a later R3SL when the original R3 broke.

I like a race bike that is comfortable and has sharp handling. I rode a Vitus 979 for a long time and it colored how I look at a bike's ride. The Vitus was famous for being noodly especially in the larger sizes, and had a steep steering angle. I don't need a super stiff frame- I'm not very heavy or strong. But I do like long rides so comfort is important. The R3SL is less stiff than the R3 was, and I could go for a bike that was even less stiff. But the R3SL's ride is pretty good, and it's light, so I don't need to get a different frame.

To be honest, modern bikes are good and I'm not that particular. I could get used to a wide range of race bikes as long as they fit me.

DX-MAN
12-21-11, 08:26 PM
Boy am I way, way out of synch with you pros. You say a bike "doesn't work for you" unless it has certain components. I wonder if you jumped on a bike with all the component labels removed if you truly would be able to tell the difference?

I could; the components I prefer operate a little differently, sound different in operation. (And, it's not about labels, it's about function.)

I'm likely the odd man out here; I don't ride skinny tires -- at ALL.

A history of back injuries requires dual suspension, and that means MTB; I prefer them, anyway, more rugged and versatile. Bike weight is irrelevant, pretty much, when the rider tops 230.

I have a very SHORT list of Shimano parts that I will ALLOW on my bikes: front derailleurs, XTR cables, Octalink cranks, and chainrings. I run SRAM triggers.

Disc brakes RULE.

Because I'm so big, and ride with some aggression, I need the frame to be tough, and that means long-travel.

I have a new project on the drawing board for February, a Santa Cruz Butcher; it will serve me well for (hopefully) the next 4-5 years. (My last bike, actually resurrected and cobbled together to last UNTIL Feb., is a Jamis Dakar XLT, with 4-1/2 years and over 16,000 hard miles on it. Heck, I went through three wheelsets!)

bruce19
12-22-11, 05:54 AM
Boy am I way, way out of synch with you pros. You say a bike "doesn't work for you" unless it has certain components. I wonder if you jumped on a bike with all the component labels removed if you truly would be able to tell the difference?

FWIW, I could probably not easily find the functional difference between my Dura Ace and my gf's Ultegra. But, when I look at the components (especially the chain wheels) the aesthetics jump out at me. That's important to me. One of the reasons I ride Ducati's rather than Suzuki's. Sometimes in the middle of winter I will go out to my workshop with a Carlos Castaneda book, a glass of cognac, and a cigar. I'll throw an opera CD on and read. Every once in a while I'll look at my Masi with Dura Ace and smile. Have done the same with my Ducatis. It's just another way of enjoying them. Function is a wonderful thing...form is a beautiful thing....together they can be bliss.

AzTallRider
12-22-11, 06:57 AM
FWIW, I could probably not easily find the functional difference between my Dura Ace and my gf's Ultegra. But, when I look at the components (especially the chain wheels) the aesthetics jump out at me. That's important to me. One of the reasons I ride Ducati's rather than Suzuki's. Sometimes in the middle of winter I will go out to my workshop with a Carlos Castaneda book, a glass of cognac, and a cigar. I'll throw an opera CD on and read. Every once in a while I'll look at my Masi with Dura Ace and smile. Have done the same with my Ducatis. It's just another way of enjoying them. Function is a wonderful thing...form is a beautiful thing....together they can be bliss.

IMO, the Shimano cranksets suck aesthetically compared to SRAM. I have a RED crank (with Quarq) on my Madone, and a Force crankset on my Gunnar. Everything else on both of them is Shimano. Well, the Gunnar has Cane Creek brakes.

gear
12-22-11, 07:01 AM
I wonder if you jumped on a bike with all the component labels removed if you truly would be able to tell the difference?


My Campy Record components are dead silent even when shifting which is accomplished by an almost imperceptible touch on the lever. My Sram Rival components are noisy by comparison and require a much more purposeful throw of the shift lever. Yes, I can tell a difference. But that does not preclude a place for lesser components on some bikes.

The thing your looking for in a bicycle is to have the bicycle disappear from the bicycle riding experience. A perfectly fitting bike with great components does just that, it disappears and leaves just you there for the ride, unaware of any mechanical device being involved.

bkaapcke
12-22-11, 08:00 AM
The incredible comfort of a dialed in LWB recumbent. bk

bigbadwullf
12-22-11, 08:35 AM
Specialized Allez Double:
- It's comfortable for me
- It was priced well ($599 brand new)
- I don't have to worry about it( scratches, cracks, butting, getting stolen, aluminum just doesn't mess up(for the most part), etc)
- Bike shop I got it from is good, knowledgeable, and fair
- I can upgrade it as I choose, but will most likely leave it as-is. So far, a compact SRAM crank is all I've done to it. Would even have done that if I hadn't gone to an extremely hilly ride. Also borrowed a friend's MTB rear cassette for the ride that bolted on and shifted perfectly with minimal adjusting.

It's a great bike.....for me. Don't have a want for anything else.

jmccain
12-22-11, 12:40 PM
...A Whyte bike CX bike.

Almost sold on the Whyte bike but test ride still to get.

That looks like a very cool bike. Wish they were available in the States.

old&slow
12-22-11, 12:40 PM
231237
2 of these on a Fatbike for fun in the snow all winter long...

stapfam
12-22-11, 02:34 PM
That looks like a very cool bike. Wish they were available in the States.

They are not readily available over here yet either--Hence the problem in getting a test ride. The other problem is that the 51cm frame will not be available till June 2012 and the 53 does look a bit big for me.

But Whyte bikes--Mainly noted for the top of the range Full suspension bikes that are expensive but work. I test rode a 146 a few years ago after seeing one on the trails. Nearly went for it but went road instead.

jmccain
12-23-11, 06:59 AM
They are not readily available over here yet either--Hence the problem in getting a test ride.

I was in Alpine Bikes in Glasgow a couple of weeks ago and didn't see this model. That must be the reason why.

k7baixo
12-24-11, 02:49 PM
It's fast. I've never been known as a fast rider but on my third ride on it yesterday, I did 46 miles and averaged exactly 20 mph. On the first ride on it, i did my best time on a short loop that i ride reguarly. I expect to pickup a little more speed as I make adjustments and adapt better to its tendencies.

It's comfortable. Compared to my last bicycle, it's painless. No shoulder pain, no neck pain...nada.

Road Fan
12-24-11, 04:12 PM
Stapfam, reading between the lines in your first post, it sounds like you are getting more interested and proficient with long distance road riding; audax or rando riding, probably all-day solo wandering through the countryside, hoping you arrive at home eventually. For such riding, steel frames with light thinwall oversize tubes (Reynolds 853 or TrueTemper Ox-Plat or even S3) and running supple 42 mm 650b are becoming popular here, at least in some US randonneuring niches. I'm in the market for a bike, too, and I think I'm going this way. The 42 mm tires are said to float over road irregularities, and the light steel frames both absorb shock and vibration and give a lively, efficient feel.

For an example check out Boulder Bicycles, made by Rene Herse Bicycles, now located in Colorado. It will be different from what you have been riding.

Granted, randonneurs use a wide variety of equipment in events like PBP, so ideas that these are just for randos, or needed for randos, should be dispelled. The question should be, do they offer you something you might want. For me I think the answer is yes, and I wonder if you might share that view. Worth a look, anyway. I haven't seen much talk about these sorts of machines in Cycling Plus.

bobbycorno
12-24-11, 07:11 PM
What makes my bike work for me? Well, it has a lot to do with the fact that those crazy basques at Orbea know what the heck they're doing...

SP
Bend, OR

XR2
12-24-11, 08:21 PM
I'm flat broke,it's paid for and I like it.

Gravity Aided
12-25-11, 04:57 AM
I just kept swapping and flipping and learning what actually suits me best over 7 years of bike renaissance, and wound up with what suits me to the ground , a 1985 Ross Signature, not in Ishiwata but just plain old 4130 . Size, geometry, and stability/manoeuverability are spot on for me . Prolly could use a little longer reach on the stem. That being said, there will be a next bike. Maybe.

qcpmsame
12-25-11, 08:03 AM
To stop hijacking by me and answer your question, Stap, The R500 fits me so well in 58CM and with the Ritchey stem and bars along with the changes to components I did a little bit at a time, everything works together with no having to compensate in some way for a shortcoming. It just "WORKS" well for me.

Bill

BikeArkansas
12-25-11, 08:36 AM
I finally put myself on a top of the line Cannondale CF bike with Dura Ace components. I have a steel bike (853 steel), I have an aluminum bike (E5 Aluminum) and I have a heavier CF bike. Nothing compares to well made, lite CF bike with top notch components. All day ride, short sprint, it makes no difference. It just rides. Now, if I can just come up with a solution to my current lack of funds due to the purchase.

Wilbur Bud
12-25-11, 08:55 AM
comfort. I can ride any time or distance or terrain and nothing ever hurts. I may get so tired I can't walk up the stairs when I get home, but no numbness, no swelling, no pain.

rasmith3530
12-27-11, 03:53 PM
What makes a bike work for me. Boy, is that a loaded question, and also a moving target. Years back, when I was a pup, it was that banana seat, a long sissy bar, the slick on the back, the apehanger bars, and a Schwinn cantilever frame with it's neck raked to allow for an additional ten inches of fork length.

Later, it was road bikes, either European or Japanese. Eventually, I wanted a mountain bike, not because their were any great inclines in Illinois, but damn they looked hot! Eventually though, my mountain bike transformed into a sport comfort with high end components. The desire to do a multi day ride led to a custom assembled sport touring bike and a return to drop bars. Along the line, a tandem entered my life, but my S.O. is not really that into riding, so it hasn't seen much use.

A move from city to suburbs changed where I would ride, and I was not at all comfortable with the change. Riding on roads with cars traveling at high speeds made me extremely nervous. My bikes took up residence suspended from the garage ceiling for a decade. During that decade, my body, formerly used to getting a twenty mile workout (or better) nearly every day, started packing on the pounds.

As this past summer progressed, I decided that I had to do something. Running was out of the question, and swimming was inconvenient from where I live. It was going to be bicycling, that was it. I discovered that my increased size made my touring bike quite uncomfortable, between a big gut and a neck roll. Even the citified mountain bike, with it's flat carbon bar had me bent over into a position that quickly turned to discomfort. I started wondering if this was going to work. Then, one day, I came across a balloon tired, cantilever framed Schwinn. Better yet, it was one that had actually been built in Chicago. It was beautiful, with nearly mint paint and all. I started riding, happy to be upright. As I started, riding around my subdivision, things were good. One night, I decided that I wanted to take my classic Schwinn down and show it off for our village's cruise night. The ride into town was great, a bit over a mile in length. I had a blast, a few folks asked me about the bike, and life was generally good. Then it came time to go home. The hill that I had gotten to whiz down now became like the Bataan Death March. At 57, I wondered if my heart was going to get the better of me before the crest. Well, I did make it, and better yet, I did not walk the bike one step, but it was made quite clear why someone had developed gearing for bikes. He was an old gray beard Clyde like myself, just trying to stay alive!

It wasn't long before I came upon a nearly mint 1995 100th Anniversary Cruiser 6. No, it wasn't built in the Chicago plant using the famous electro-static welding process that old Schwinn bikes were known for, but it had the look, and it had gears! It also had weight. It wasn't any lighter than its older, Chicago built sibling. Hmm. Where to go from here?

The answer came in the form of a garage sale and a Schwinn CrissCross hybrid with a cheap price tag. It looked like it had not seen much use, but it also had not seen much maintenance either, and, it had a flat bar. I could not resist, and it came home with me. A visit to Performance netted all new slick cables and a rear rack, but they didn't have the handlebars I wanted. Those came from a LBS, nearly 100mm in rise. Having noted cracks and even a small chunk in the tires, some Kenda replacements were also bought.

I like riding bicycles. I love learning about the history of a bike or type of bike, and I'm in heaven when I get to work on them. Next to slot cars, bicycles were the first machines I ever hacked, and four decades down the road, that love persists. Most folks look at a bicycle and see anything from a means of transport to a fitness venture. I see so many cool mechanical things going on, and each type of bike has both an art and a science to it. I would love to have at least one of every type of bicycle made, but alas, I have neither the space nor the financial means. I will state that I am extremely grateful that my family has been as accommodating as they have so far with my collection as it stands today.

Anyway, back to the CrissCross. A good cleaning helped immensely. The bars and new cables made for a more comfortable and controlable ride. A performance Forte comfort saddle helped smooth the road, but, there was a niggling problem. Try as I might, I could not get the gearing dialed in. Also, the shifter for the front derailleur was somewhat stiff. I began doing some research and discovered that I was not alone. A discussion with the son of a Schwinn dealer I've known since my childhood days confirmed that it was a problem with the bike and not with my mechanical abilities. The early CrissCross came equipped with an early version of Suntour's triggered index shifting, and from what I've heard and read, they were a problem child out of the box that did not improve with age. I also heard that the cassette/chainwheels might not index correctly with Shimano or SRAM shifters. This left few alternatives. I could live with the problem (no thanks), having a few less gears to work with, I could swap everything out with Shimano or SRAM components, ending up with virtually the cost of a new bike, or, and this was the route I took, replacing out the shifters with a set of non-indexed friction shifters. At under twenty dollars, it corrected the problem and made the bike an absolute joy to own and ride.

As mentioned earlier, I like to learn a bit about the bikes I own, and this one was no exception. I began learning about how hybrids came about, melding the essence of road and mountain bike into a compromise that would serve a number of uses. I also learned about what was happening with Schwinn at the time my bike was made, and how their line of "bike path bicycles," (their term for hybrids) were built. I learned that these bikes were built in Taiwan by Giant, to Schwinn's design spec. Unlike Trek, who was using the same frame for their FX line, making different componentry the thing that marked one model from another, Schwinn took a different route by using a similar design, but different frame materials and different components for the various levels. The CrossCut, which was their entry hybrid, was built on a frame of high tensile steel, with a matching fork. My CrissCross featured a main frame triangle made from double butted True Temper Cro-Mo tubing, with a matching Cro-Mo fork. Next up, the CrossCut received the full Crome Moly True Temper treatment. It also was the benefactor of Shimano's 400LX level of componentry. I decided that, if I could find a nice example of a CrossCut at a reasonable price, I would add it to my collection. A red '91 has become the latest member, and it is about to receive a full tear down and ground up rebuild, so that it will be ready come the first nice days of spring.

Meanwhile, a set of fenders that I'd bought with the CrossCut in mind are going to be mounted on the CrissCross, so that I can get out on some of this winter's more mild days. On those that I can't, a Schwinn XR7 stationary bike is just a few steps from my bed. An Android tablet and a Netflix subscription takes away the boredom of no scenery change.

So, what makes my bike work for me? It is a somewhat indescribable combination of materials, design, comfort and individuality that makes the machine a part of me. There is a satisfaction in having assembled a certain group of parts so that everything fits you, added with the knowledge that it was crafted with your own hands. THAT is, in the end, what makes my bike work for me. As always YMMV.

Happy trails, and remember to keep the sunny side up and the rubber side down!

rasmith3530
12-27-11, 03:57 PM
As an epilogue to my story above, I should note that the immaculate 1995 Cruiser 6 recently became a Christmas present for my favorite brother-in-law.

Gravity Aided
12-28-11, 07:02 AM
The Criss Cross gets a lot of love on the forum . It was a great bike for a hybrid, Schwinn really got that one right, along with the Crosscut, IMHO

pat5319
12-29-11, 07:33 PM
Before you make a final decision try a titainium or steel bike. I've been riding seriously for nearly 4 decades, and riddin and worked on more bikes than I can count, and found steel and Ti bikes have the best/smoothest rides and "last" best. I have a bunch of bikes including road, cyclocross, sport tuouring, mountain and utility. I will probably never buy another aluminum bike as the ride quality is lacking even though it has carbon forks and seatstays nad Ive riedden many others I wouldn't have considered buying. I may buy a carbon bike in the future, but only because I have several others as carbon bikes are known to be ver framesy breakable, not "lifetime" bikes, by the guys I know "in the business". My nest N! bike amy be something along the lines of Salsa vaya or fargo Ti frameset http://salsacycles.com/bikes/ or maybe built up thes things look great for comfort and rough stuff, that is if I can't afford another custom Seven. I had it built with 73' parallel angles, big chainstays for sprinting, clearance for 28mm tires, and a little more trail than their standard forks as i wanted it to ride like a "classic" stage bike, not like present race bikes that are too much like criterium bikes that are too "twitchy". Note: most of hte neeres steei ikes aren't as heavy as you minhgt think and the added comfort vs alu and in some cases carobon make up for it

M_Wales
12-29-11, 07:38 PM
It's a Raleigh that rides and feels great under me...

david58
12-29-11, 08:55 PM
I probably would be happy with a lot of different bikes, but my two have been a blast.

The first was procured in April of this year, beginning my cycling renaissance - a Fuji aluminum frame cross bike with 105 shifters. I have ridden it many, many miles on the road, have raced it CX, commute on it, have done centuries on it, and generally feel "one" with it. I don't know if it is because it is my first new bike in almost 30 years, or what, but it just works. I can ride it and ride it and ride it, and the cheap Velo stock seat just feels fine, and I have a hootin' good time on the bike. Blessed by the level of comfort, as I have not had an official fit, just adjusted things till they felt right.

In October, bought a road bike. Kinda late in the year for a road bike, but the price was such I could afford a bike for my wife, too. I have a few hundred miles on it on the road, and some hours on the trainer. The road rides have all been 40-60 miles, and the doggone bike is comfortable. It works for me because it is stinking fast compared to my CX bike (or I am faster on it) - it just works. Looking forward to some upgrading of the bars and seatpost and seat, getting it put together for my most favored long rides and hoping for some bigger challenges on it (hoping to ride the Mt Shasta Century and other climbing centuries).

The bikes are life-savers. I have lost weight, my blood tests are good (I don't even study), and I am motivated athletically like I haven't been since I pretty much stopped reffing soccer about 10 years ago. Not a quantitative description of why they work, but they just do.