Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Please dont laugh. Serious question.

Ok i know you guys are going to think im dumb but i have searched through the forums and couldnt find out. What is the difference between a tire and a wheelset? Sorry if this is the worst question ever asked im just a little confused! Working on my fixie trying to learn as i go. Thanks!

Wheelset: Front and rear wheels.
Tires: Those things that go onto the wheelset that then have a tube put in and filled with air.

wheelset: metal (or carbon if your fancy)
tire: rubber

or wood.

so the tire goes onto the wheel,,, right?

yes.

so the tire goes onto the wheel,,, right?

Yes

or wood.

thats old and fancy.....(and technically carbon, but we're not getting chemical here.....)

ok thanks guys just double checking before i went spending!

(and technically carbon, but we're not getting chemical here.....)

this argument cannot be made.

this argument cannot be made.

why not?

I'm just gonna go ahead and do it...

http://gifs.gifbin.com/052009/1243271414_black_guy_laughing.gif

I'm an *******.

But yeah, What those guys said is accurate.

why not?

put simply, wood is not carbon.

carbon-based life is not carbon.

put simply, wood is not carbon.

carbon-based life is not carbon.

hope your not serious.......?

completely serious.

completely serious.

interesting.

EDIT:.........care to elaborate.........?

Carbon is an element. You cannot say life that is based on chemical bonds with this element is made of this element. This is not how chemistry (specifically organic chemistry) works.

Wood has something like a 50% carbon content. So wood is half carbon.

God, I hate ochem.

Carbon is an element. You cannot say life that is based on chemical bonds with this element is made of this element. This is not how chemistry (specifically organic chemistry) works.

Wood has something like a 50% carbon content. So wood is half carbon.

God, I hate ochem.

biochem and biophysics would beg to differ.....

I don't see it. Convince me that something that is made up carbon bonding with other elements means it is made of carbon.

I don't see it. Convince me that something that is made up carbon bonding with other elements means it is made of carbon.

your right, theres no carbon in it.

The main point of my argument is that just because something contains carbon (one or more of its elements is carbon), it doesn't mean that it is carbon.

The main point of my argument is that just because something contains carbon (one or more of its elements is carbon), it doesn't mean that it is carbon.

yes, but containing carbon, and being carbon based, are two completely different things..... i definitely did not say that wood contains a carbon molecule so it is carbon. I simplified something that is carbon based, meaning its a string of carbons with other compounds branching off of it, and more than 50% carbon at that, can be identified as carbon in simple conversation. Sorry, should have said it was a compound of Cellulose, Hemicellulose, Glucomannan, Glucuronoxylan, several polysaccharides, and Lignin (all carbon based compounds btw).... because that is MUCH more appropriate for this here bicycle forum......

Back on topic real quick. Can you have a tire and not need a wheelset ever? Can the tire just have spokes on it?

nah... tire needs to attach to something, totally cant tell if your trolling......

Ok that was the last stupid question! I don't know what trolling means but sorry? Haha just trying to order the right parts.

no worries, just stick to that basic idea, anything that is rubber is the tire or tube, everything else is a part of the wheelset
Wheelset:
http://www.starbike.com/images/Easton/2008/wheelset_ea70.jpg
tires:
http://www.basicbikes.co.nz/images/products/33.4429.png

yes, but containing carbon, and being carbon based, are two completely different things..... i definitely did not say that wood contains a carbon molecule so it is carbon. I simplified something that is carbon based, meaning its a string of carbons with other compounds branching off of it, and more than 50% carbon at that, can be identified as carbon in simple conversation. Sorry, should have said it was a compound of Cellulose, Hemicellulose, Glucomannan, Glucuronoxylan, several polysaccharides, and Lignin (all carbon based compounds btw).... because that is MUCH more appropriate for this here bicycle forum......

Don't really understand the logic here. You said that wood is technically carbon. If you're trying to be technical, you shouldn't make a bold leap like that for the sake of 'simple conversation'

So when the cookbook said butter did it really mean milk? No wonder why my pancakes suck.

I feel like going to a LBS would greatly benefit the OP... Might cost you a little more, but you could learn some basics, and not be completely screwed when you have a mechanical failure

Don't really understand the logic here. You said that wood is technically carbon. If you're trying to be technical, you shouldn't make a bold leap like that for the sake of 'simple conversation'

So when the cookbook said butter did it really mean milk? No wonder why my pancakes suck.

if you want to disregard logic and whine over semantics, we can talk about the 2012 election if you'd like...

And they certainly won't charge you for asking some basic questions. At least they shouldn't.

yeah, a nice relationship with the LBS is something to envy....

if you want to disregard logic and whine over semantics, we can talk about the 2012 election if you'd like...

Serious? I'm just trying to keep you from running around and saying everything that is carbon based is carbon.
That's not just a simplification for 'simple conversation.' That is scientifically wrong. It is not semantics, it is a matter of a true statement versus a false one.

diamond is carbon.
(did i do this right? too late to the carbon game?)
=<

Hed3 diamond trispoke for the Bianchi Unicorn-cept.

Serious? I'm just trying to keep you from running around and saying everything that is carbon based is carbon.
That's not just a simplification for 'simple conversation.' That is scientifically wrong. It is not semantics, it is a matter of a true statement versus a false one.

semantics....... saying wood is carbon based, vs saying wood is carbon is semantics, and someone not nitpicking wouldnt care about the difference........ this isnt butter vs milk...... this is butter vs. unsalted butter...... thats why your pancakes came out perfectly fine to someone who isnt a goddamned pancake connoisseur.....

EDIT: my 100th post on a bicycle forum said nothing about bicycles, but instead was an argument about chemistry with analogies to pancakes.

diamond is carbon.
(did i do this right? too late to the carbon game?)
=<

and this is 100% true.....

While I still disagree, I cannot fathom how dense you must be to attempt a 'technical' claim and then back away from it just so you don't have to admit that you are wrong. It no longer concerns me that you believe that it is okay to say that everything that chemically bonds with carbon is carbon.

My girlfriend says my pancakes suck because I'm a lousy cook. That's okay, because if I ever propose to her, she only getting a paper ring with a coal set in it. It's all just carbon anyway, right?

While I still disagree, I cannot fathom how dense you must be to attempt a 'technical' claim and then back away from it just so you don't have to admit that you are wrong. It no longer concerns me that you believe that it is okay to say that everything that chemically bonds with carbon is carbon.

My girlfriend says my pancakes suck because I'm a lousy cook. That's okay, because if I ever propose to her, she only getting a paper ring with a coal set in it. It's all just carbon anyway, right?

whatever man..... i cant fathom how dense you must be to pick an argument that simply focuses on one word, when i stated, after you called it out, what i meant...... but yet, you still go back to the word "technically"......

and to that last point, diamonds literally do not contain any other elements other than carbon. so yes, it is carbon..... how your girlfriend sees this is a different thing now isn't it?

I did not pick the argument. I said you cannot make that claim. You asked me to elaborate. I have elaborated. At this point whether you believe me or not is up to you. Of course, I probably won't hear it from you.

I did not pick the argument. I said you cannot make that claim. You asked me to elaborate. I have elaborated. At this point whether you believe me or not is up to you. Of course, I probably won't hear it from you.

Its far from disbelief.... its not a difficult concept at all, and i fully understand it... my point is, my original statement "wood is technically carbon", as i stated, was not intended to mean that "all things containing carbon are carbon". yet that's all your fixated on....

whatever bro, its all good.... no hard feelings..... enjoy your night.

I like pie. do you like pie?

Carbon rims ain't 100% carbon either.

carbon fiber reinforced plastic

back on topic,

http://sheldonbrown.com/

for help with a lot of information regarding bicycle based stuff. I hope that answers some of your questions

I've made carbon pancakes before.

Ok i know you guys are going to think im dumb but i have searched through the forums and couldnt find out. What is the difference between a tire and a wheelset? Sorry if this is the worst question ever asked im just a little confused! Working on my fixie trying to learn as i go. Thanks!

Don't feel bad. I know one particular NATIONAL-level track racer that makes mistake all the time.

back on topic,

http://sheldonbrown.com/

for help with a lot of information regarding bicycle based stuff. I hope that answers some of your questions

Thanks!

I like pie. do you like pie?

Berry pie is my favorite. Are berries carbon?

This is the most absurd thread I have ever read. Fantastish!

Berry pie is my favorite. Are berries carbon?
Only one way to find out. Replace all your ball bearings with berries and check your TT time.