Commuting - mudguard <--> Panniers

If I put a pannier on the bike (Trek 1000) does that stop me from putting on a mudguard on the rear?

Does the Pannier effictly act as a mudguard?

Cheers, :beer:

Some panniers have a solid top plate which can protect you against some splash back, but not as well as mudguards do.
You can use panniers and mudguards.
With 2 sets of eyelets the mudguard goes on the rear set.
If you only have one, put the pannier legs on first, so they are closer to the frame.

Thanks MW, but what is an eyelet? :beer:

How are you mounting the panniers? With a seatpost mount rack?
You should be able to mount a rear fender/mudguard to the rear but may or may not be able to mount anything on the front.
There is not enough clearance on my bike between the tire and fork.

I'm not sure how I want to mount the pannier. I'm not sure how they go on. If I want to get a mudguard in with it, what type shoud I be buying.

Cheers, :beer:

S

I wonder if we're having a little problem with terminology.

The rack is the metal thing that's affixed to the bike. Standard rear racks attach at the seat stays (bolted to threaded inserts that are brazed onto some bike frame, or clamped on) and are supported by legs that attach to eyelets (threded holes drilled all the way through) the dropouts.

There are variations, including racks that clamp only to the seat post.

Panniers are bags that hook onto the rack. Usually sold in pairs and can be used singly.

Most rear racks offer some splash protection, but the full kit would include a full fender (mudguard) covering the rear wheel. On a touring or 'cross bike there is usually room under the rack and between the seatstays for a fender, which attaches to a braze-on at the seatstay crown as well as to dropout eyelets (this is one reason touring bikes usually have two sets of eyelets on the dropouts; one for the rack and one for the fender).

http://www.rivendellbicycles.com has good material on fender mounting, and also sells high-grade racks and panniers. So does http://peterwhitecycles.com. It might also be worth taking a look at one of the big catalog dealers, like http://www.performancebike.com or http://www.nashbar.com. My personal favorite panniers come from Arkel: http://www.bicyclebags.com.

RichC

Ive had a look at the Trek 1000 on their website.
If you look where the rear wheel fits into the frame there are some small 5mm threaded holes.
You can use these to attatch a luggage rack and fenders.
You dont have any threaded holes at the top of the seat stays, but you can use the bolt that holds the rear brake in place (A 3-point fitting).
The best 3-point fitting rack is the Tubus Fly (see Peter White for a pic).
You can also fit mudguards at the rear. I recomend the narrowest ones from SKS. They will just fit under your brakes.
Have a look where the front wheel fits into the forks. If you have threaded holes there, you can fit a front mudguard.
Use stainless steel M5 allen bolts (from any bike or hardware store) which are just long enough. At the rear you need them long enough for both the rack and the fender stays, but there should be practically no bolt thread exposed on the inner side. This may interfere with the chain.
The best way to fit the end of the rear mudgard to the chainstay bridge (small cross tube at the bottom) is with a zip tie.

I recomend you take the bike back to your bike shop and get them to fit it. Its not difficult, but they all need to work together.

Thanks MW for all the effort and the advice!

Cheers,

S