Classic & Vintage - Wow - Team Champion frame goes for large sum

I was really willing to pay for this frame as these are quite rare and it was my size but wow! It went way over my limit. Rootboy I think that Team Champion of yours is a keeper!

Ebay auction for Team Champion frame (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140691709033?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649&autorefresh=true&autorefresh=true#ht_586wt_1396)

I think I know the seller.......

I wanted to bid, but I just had a bad feeling about the seller. I asked a question and he was pretty curt with me.

Wow! It is nice to see Moto's getting some respect, but I suspect it is more of a couple bidders who had to have it.

I think you mean "pretty Kurt" with you.....

It seems like everyone of us was following that one.

I have to wonder what it might have fetched on a Saturday night, after the bars close!

with a minute left it was a little over $500, i was shocked! then i refreshed a few seconds before the end of the auction, i nearly pooped myself. i wanted that frame too :(

with a minute left it was a little over $500, i was shocked! then i refreshed a few seconds before the end of the auction, i nearly pooped myself. i wanted that frame too :(

To be honest, I wasn't shocked. There are precious few of those floating about.

I think I recognize the garage door :)

That's some seriously good money - not that the frame doesn't look great, with just the right amount of patina. But it's big, and of course, French ;)

(ducks and runs away....)

I wonder if that serial number had anything to do with it (my, that's a lot of 3s)?

DD

I think you mean "pretty Kurt" with you.....

I resemble that remark ;)

Come to think of it, ever since someone tried hanging me on eBay over one of my clarifications (regarding a Huret nut which wasn't used on the later Duopar I was selling), I started giving very limited answers in the fashion described by BlueDevil. It may simply be a seller protecting himself from smart-arse eBayers.

-Kurt

I hope the LeChampions don't go nuts like that. I'm kind of attached to mine.

That seller sells rusty bikes.

I think his handle is RustyGunnar13


That seller sells rusty bikes.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh117/auchencrow/Bike%20Forums/ebaymotoTC.jpg

I was really willing to pay for this frame as these are quite rare and it was my size but wow! It went way over my limit. Rootboy I think that Team Champion of yours is a keeper!

Ebay auction for Team Champion frame (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140691709033?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649&autorefresh=true&autorefresh=true#ht_586wt_1396)

Yes, they are not common, but that's just plain nutty. When I first saw that, I chose not to even officially 'watch' it as it is so, uh, patiné.... Note that all of the bidders are essentially noobs, from my perspective, anyways. Nothing like the power of Molteni(ish) Orange, I guess. C'est la vie chez eBay.

Nothing like the power of Molteni(ish) Orange, I guess.

Boy, if that's all it was I'll be able to finance my degree program with these:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2800/5766356057_7d0d903186_b.jpg

:lol:

DD

Boy, if that's all it was I'll be able to finance my degree program with these:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2800/5766356057_7d0d903186_b.jpg

:lol:

DD

great, now i need a change of underwear...

^ Alex, you should really look into that pooping at the computer issue.... :)

DD

Nice looking yard you have there. How do you mow around the bicycles?

I MIGHT have offered $300 for that. It's pretty...but there are a lot of frames I'd want before that one @ $1,300. That's the beauty of eBay...everyone gets to value things as they chose.

I was really willing to pay for this frame as these are quite rare and it was my size but wow! It went way over my limit. Rootboy I think that Team Champion of yours is a keeper!


I guess so BD63. Auchencrow was nice enough to alert me to the auction, otherwise I would have missed it. I have to agree with everyone here except, excuse me my good friend....Auchencrow :)... I think this is a true anomaly. I know these frames are scarce, but still. I suppose it could be chalked up to two bidders going to war yet again. I have mixed feelings seeing this go so high. I have one, of course, and love it, but that frame just isn't worth that much. Ah well. There's just no accounting for what will happen on ebay.

Rootboy...if you don't mind unsolicited advice, I've been where you are right now. Sell it. There are always other bikes out there that you will love (for less money). Unless this was the ONE AND ONLY bike you most dreamed about, strike while the iron is hot. Toss yours up for $800 with a link to that auction, take the money and run. I did that with my Raleigh Pro and don't regret it at all.

I've never regretted selling a bike...there are always other bikes. If it even enters your head that you MIGHT want to sell it, SELL IT! If it's a true must have keeper, you'll never even think about it.

I MIGHT have offered $300 for that. It's pretty...but there are a lot of frames I'd want before that one @ $1,300. That's the beauty of eBay...everyone gets to value things as they chose.

I'm confused here: It's OK for you to value someones item at less than 25% of it's worth.... But when people suggest that your friends bikes aren't worth 10k, it's rude and insulting?

Fender, nice sale on that. Congratulations.

Ebay is funny that way. Next week someone could sell the same frame and get half that, or less. I've experienced both sides as a seller, albeit on much lower value items. As a buyer, there's really nothing I want badly enough to make this kind of thing happen.

My assumption is that 1300 is more than my 1978 Team Champion is worth, and by a large margin. And mine is a complete bike, in better condition. But it's not orange.

I'm confused here: It's OK for you to value someones item at less than 25% of it's worth.... But when people suggest that your friends bikes aren't worth 10k, it's rude and insulting?

Fender, nice sale on that. Congratulations.

What didn't you understand Roger? I didn't suggest it was worth $300...I suggested that was what it was worth to ME. Get the difference? I have NO CLUE what that Motobecane's market value is because it's not the kind of bike I'm into (French or 70s). 31 flavors. My general impression of Motobecanes was that it was a soft market. Someone bought it for $1300...that was its value on that transaction and my comment came AFTER IT WAS SOLD and didn't interfere with a member's sale. Most everyone else, including the OP, seems to think selling price was out of line with typical market price. I'd chalk it partially up to Kurt's marketing, photos and reputation personally. Currently the bike isn't even owned by a member.

I'm truly puzzled at your logic, but am just chalking it up to your issue :)

A more cynical man than me would just assume that you disagreed with me before and decided to snipe about it in a different thread a week later...just in a way that made no sense and wasn't analogous. Fortunately I'm not a cynical man ;)

PS - it was Kurt's sale.

Thanks Kon Aaron Snake. No, I don't mind unsolicited advice. You may be right. Now might be the time to capitalize on my bike. But ....umm...how do I say this? I'm not much interested in money. I don't have much of it, but still.

Besides, there are least three guys here on the forum who have expressed interest in the bike if I ever decide to sell it. I may have to include them in my will. ;)

I met a young man in China years ago, when my wife and I were searching for old furniture. I thought he might be wise beyond his years. He turned to me one day and said, "Don't collect money. Collect fine things which enhance your life." I liked that.

If you love it, keep it :) I've been offered well over what I'd consider market value for my Koga Miyata and it never even occurred to me to sell.

On the flip side...I had an offer on my Merckx that, in retrospect, I wish I'd taken. All it does is adorn my wall.

The orange Moto that sold for 1300 was not Kurt's.

Anyone happen to know which continent the buyer is from?

What didn't you understand Roger? I didn't suggest it was worth $300...I suggested that was what it was worth to ME. Get the difference? I have NO CLUE what that Motobecane's market value is because it's not the kind of bike I'm into (French or 70s). 31 flavors. My general impression of Motobecanes was that it was a soft market. Someone bought it for $1300...that was its value on that transaction and my comment came AFTER IT WAS SOLD and didn't interfere with a member's sale. Most everyone else, including the OP, seems to think selling price was out of line with typical market price. I'd chalk it partially up to Kurt's marketing, photos and reputation personally. Currently the bike isn't even owned by a member.

I'm truly puzzled at your logic, but am just chalking it up to your issue :)

A more cynical man than me would just assume that you disagreed with me before and decided to snipe about it in a different thread a week later...just in a way that made no sense and wasn't analogous. Fortunately I'm not a cynical man ;)

PS - it was Kurt's sale.

There's a story about the Pot and the Kettle, Aaron. You might see some similarities.

Anyone happen to know which continent the buyer is from?

Australia. $600 shipping.

Sorry for my ignorance about C&V Moto's, but is this model frameset a special limited production item? what is driving the price up so high? Are we looking at something much better designed and made than a similar age PX10??

Edit: Ooops, I should have read the previous posts as some of this was discussed. I don't think my question about comapring it to PX10s was also asked though....

Chombi

There's a story about the Pot and the Kettle, Aaron. You might see some similarities.

Did I not adequately explain the difference? Do I need to use smaller words?

Let's chill out guys, nothing to get upset over.

Anyway, trust me when I say that the seller (not Kurt, btw) was also surprised and pleased that the bike sold for as much as it did.

What's also getting lost in the discussion of the price are all the extra French-sized parts that were included with this sale:


Bottom Bracket French Thread and the threads are in great shape.
French Campagnolo Headset (in great shape just repacked, 0 miles)
Original TA water bottle cage
Original Campagnolo BB cable guide
110mm Pivo Stem (French diameter 22.0)
Engraved Pivo Handle bars
Drop out adjuster screws (one slightly bent)
Rear Deralieur cable stop

Some of those items are hard to find. The buyer might have said to him/herself, "I could keep looking for another French frame and then compete with all the Japanese collectors and everyone else on the planet for the next several months in order to cobble together these pieces for an additional ~$300 (or possibly more with shipping to Australia, you say?). Or, I can bite the bullet and avoid all of that hassle for a slight premium now." The seller rightly pointed this out in the listing, and I think that was a big factor in driving up the final price.

What's also getting lost in the discussion of the price are all the extra French-sized parts that were included with this sale:


Bottom Bracket French Thread and the threads are in great shape.
French Campagnolo Headset (in great shape just repacked, 0 miles)
Original TA water bottle cage
Original Campagnolo BB cable guide
110mm Pivo Stem (French diameter 22.0)
Engraved Pivo Handle bars
Drop out adjuster screws (one slightly bent)
Rear Deralieur cable stop

Some of those items are hard to find. The buyer might have said to him/herself, "I could keep looking for another French frame and then compete with all the Japanese collectors and everyone else on the planet for the next several months in order to cobble together these pieces for an additional ~$300 (or possibly more with shipping to Australia, you say?). Or, I can bite the bullet and avoid all of that hassle for a slight premium now." The seller rightly pointed this out in the listing, and I think that was a big factor in driving up the final price.
Then again, the buyer could just be Mark Zuckerberg treating himself to some French C&V on a whim, after going public!:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Chombi

I'm not sure why, but everything I sell to Australia seems to go at a premium. I'm guessing supply there for C an V is low.

What's also getting lost in the discussion of the price are all the extra French-sized parts that were included with this sale:


Bottom Bracket French Thread and the threads are in great shape.
French Campagnolo Headset (in great shape just repacked, 0 miles)
Original TA water bottle cage
Original Campagnolo BB cable guide
110mm Pivo Stem (French diameter 22.0)
Engraved Pivo Handle bars
Drop out adjuster screws (one slightly bent)
Rear Deralieur cable stop

Some of those items are hard to find. The buyer might have said to him/herself, "I could keep looking for another French frame and then compete with all the Japanese collectors and everyone else on the planet for the next several months in order to cobble together these pieces for an additional ~$300 (or possibly more with shipping to Australia, you say?). Or, I can bite the bullet and avoid all of that hassle for a slight premium now." The seller rightly pointed this out in the listing, and I think that was a big factor in driving up the final price.

I believe the Australia line was a joke. I just read the full auction and it states shipping to the lower 48 only.

Also I believe w/r/t the BB it simply specifies French threaded; it doesn't say that one is included.

Whatever, I'm happy for the seller, and if the buyer didn't want it at that price, he/she didn't have to bid it up.

Two people thought it was worth that...that's the market value for that transaction. Value perception is a funny thing...everyone has what it's worth to them. People who value it more will end up with it. Extrapolating from that...it's probably a bad idea to tell others what their bike is worth when they don't ask, especially for unusual stuff like this one. Like others, I'm surprised it was worth that much to people.

Congrats to Kurt.

I didn't pick up that Aussie-land was a joke, and I have found those folks pay top dollar.

Yeah, I'm happy for him too. I'll bet he's tickled. So, is it someone here? Apparently so, given the hints earlier in this thread.
Just curious. HEY! we're happy for you, whoever you are. I am.

Aaron, it's NOT Kurt.

I didn't pick up that Aussie-land was a joke, ...

That's because that sly Colonel neglected to use one of those smiley things. I wish we didn't have to rely on those damned things.
They don't have a "grumpy curmudgeon" one or I could burn it out using it.

Aaron, it's NOT Kurt.

???

It sure read that way...who's the lucky dog?

???

It sure read that way...who's the lucky dog?

If the seller wants to reveal himself he can, but I just wanted to let you know it's not Kurt's sale.

That's because that sly Colonel neglected to use one of those smiley things.

The Aussie buyer used a stateside proxy bidder.

The Aussie buyer used a stateside proxy bidder.

I'm usually pretty in tune with tone and humor...this one is over my hair line and drier than a foreclosed swimming pool.

The Aussie buyer used a stateside proxy bidder.

Jeeze. There's a lot of insider knowledge in this thread. Where's my "scratchin' my chin" smilie?

So, is that true Colonel? I don't really care who the seller is but, is it true about $600 shipping ?????

if so , where's the "chin on the floor" smilie face?

Jeeze. There's a lot of insider knowledge in this thread. Where's my "scratchin' my chin" smilie?

It's the cool kids clique. ;)

http://beautydart.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/mean_heathers.jpg

Like I said, I got a curt response from the seller, but it did include his phone number. After the auction ended I called him to tell him I'd pony up if the buyer backed out, but he and Aussie already had it arranged.

In these days of $5-7K CF Madones and Rellos being regularly sold at bike shops, why do we even stress out so much when we see this:twitchy:. The guys in the road forum must be having a big laugh at us C&V "cheapskates"......:p

Chombi