Touring - Why is 26" better than 700C?

I'm building up a touring/commuter. Other than mountain bikes that I've had in the past, everything I've owned has been 700C.

There seems to be a growing trend/movement to 26" touring bikes, and I'd really like to get a Surly LHT, but I think I'd be better off w/ 700C.

I do understand some of the advantages, such as:
Slightly easier to transport
International availability

But, I will likely never tour outside the US.

All other things being equal (gearing, set up, etc.), why should I go 26"

There's advantages and disadvantages to both. The 26" LHT will fit much wider tires than the 700C version. The 700C version probably is a bit faster. If you're doing loaded touring, you want strong wheels, wide tires, and lower gearing... 26" gives you all of that. If you want something that's more "road bike"-ish then you could stick with 700C and nobody would fault you.

Edit: You could get lower gearing, wider tires, and strong wheels with 700C, but it would cost more and take more work.

I run both sizes depending on where I am touring. All my on road touring is primarily done on 700C. If the route includes very rough roads or fire trails, the 26" wheeled bike goes. Some small frame sizes need the 26" wheel size to make it work. I actually think there are more tire selections available in the 700 rather than the 26". Take a look at the type of touring you are planning and choose what works for you.

Aaron :)

Mule vs. Horse

I wonder what a bike like the Singular Peregrine would be like with fat but lightweight 700c tires. 2-inch Stan's Crow at 480 grams weight less than many skinny tires and they have some knobs but are also smooth enough to run fast on pavement. Schwalbe's Furious Fred is only 360 grams. A fast yet plush ride. They're racing tires but still you have to wonder...

If you have a whole lot of 700c bikes hanging around, and you`re torn over the wheel size of your next purchace, I`d let that wall full of 700 tires and extra wheels be the tipping factor. It`s nice to be able to mix and match wheels sometimes, and always nice to be able to maintain a nice stock of different interchangeable tires.

IMO--I don't think there is any advantage to 26" wheels. I have a high quality set of 700c wheels that are probably stronger than most stock 26" wheels. I also don't plan on using a tire wider than 32mm for touring. They are a good compromise between weight and comfort.

Part of our route last summer took us over 400+ miles of this type of road and trails. Also about 500 miles of cobblestones and paver block roads and trails.

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Yes, there is a significant growing trend of touring bikes being built with 26" wheels. I'm myself in the process of having one custom built (the first one is a used Miyata 610 with 700c). Here are the reasons why this time I'm going with a 26"-wheeled frame:

Pros
* I live in Mexico and availability of rims, tires and spokes is much better with 26". To me that's already huge if you can just get by even with junky parts without having to hop on a bus or ask for a ride to the next largest city where you may find 700c replacements. In the U.S., you can walk into any bike shop of even any Walmart to get you back in route.
* If you ever decide to upgrade your frame with S&S couplings, you won't have to worry about not having the right wheels (you can still use 700c but you have to remove tubes and tires) to fit in the special 62-inch cases (max. allowed for air traveling without incurring extra fees.)
* 26" wheels are allegedly stronger and support better lateral tension and heavier weights. For that matter, you can use heavy duty MTB rims, spokes and disc hubs for bomb proof wheels.
* In the desert southwest (where you are), if you want to ride a combo of asphalt or rougher dirt (service) roads such as the Apache Trail Hwy (AZ88), the road north of Seven Springs, roads around Mt. Elden in Flagstaff, Four Corners region, San Juan Huts in Colorado, etc., 26" touring frames are usually made to fit much thicker rims and tires (up to 2.35" in some frames) which will be more appropriate for these purposes.

Cons
* Availability of some accessories (e.g., fenders) is a little better with 700c

Don't get me wrong... you can still do a lot with 700c, especially if you're going to stick to domestic trips. The way I see it is that 26" is overall more versatile and will allow you to explore more places in the future. I meet a lot of bike tourists here (mostly Europeans who have more time to tour) going from North to South America. I haven't met a single one riding with 700c bikes.

Well, my 26" bikes have v brakes, which deliver huge stopping power. 26" wheels seem to be more stable in true, or a quick adjustment on the bike pulls them into lateral true. I don't recall any of my 26" wheels needing radial truing. You can also lower the pressure on big tires wihout having the same concern about pinch flats, at least me, or go max pressure and get them to roll fairly fast. And, lower center of gravity, more stable with weight..is good for potholed roads and crosswinds. That seems to me to be the pluses.

The big advantage of 26" wheels is that tires are easier to find. Every Wal-mart, K-mart, and bike shop in the U.S. will carry 26" tires. 700c tires are more difficult to find, especially wide 700c touring tires.

Toe overlap is less of a problem with 26" wheels.

For on-road touring, you probably have slightly more frame and tire choices if you go with 700c wheels.

IMO--I don't think there is any advantage to 26" wheels. I have a high quality set of 700c wheels that are probably stronger than most stock 26" wheels. I also don't plan on using a tire wider than 32mm for touring. They are a good compromise between weight and comfort.

My tourer has clearance up to 700c x32mm so that is what I use for tracks and trails. I have ridden much rougher terrain than in those pics by Doug64. There are times when I would have preferred wider tyres but so far, nothing has stopped me riding. Wide 700c is just as useful as wider 26". I think the main decider between 700c and 26" is availability in various countries.
26" provides a lot of advantages for smaller riders on smaller frames and would say that anyone under 5'3" should not be riding 700c.

I often describe 26 inch wheeled touring bikes as an Expedition bikes and in many ways bike running 26 inch wheels can be more versatile than a 700c equipped bike if you find you want to run wider tyres (my Cascade will run a knobby 2.0). 26 inch wheels are just a little tougher than similarly built 700c wheels, and for some riders the slightly smaller wheels makes the frame geometry work out.

As far as speed goes... if you are loaded down and riding a 26 inch wheeled bike on 1.5's there is not going to be much difference in roll out to a touring bike with 700-32 tyres and the higher volume tyres may offer a little more ride comfort due to them being able to be run at a wider pressure range.

There is also a small gearing advantage with 26 inch wheels if you are looking for the lowest gearings possible unless of course you also happen to use a 20 inch wheeled tourer and then finding adequate top gearing is more work.

26" gives me greater comfort on tour due to the shock absorbing effect of the higher volume/lower pressure tire. Riding cracks in pavement and broken shoulders are not so hard on hands, wrists, shoulders and butt with 26" when you are experiencing that all day.

I think tire technology has come a long way in the last dozen years, in part thanks to Schwalbe. On two of the bikes I use for loaded touring I run 26 x 2.35 (Schwalbe Fat Frank) tires that are sufficiently flat resistant and grippy in all conditions. Also, my experience is that a tire that wide handles the weight of the load better than the 700 x 35 (Panaracer Pasela) I use on my LHT. When those 700 x 35s are worn I expect to replace them with Schwalbe Marathon Dureme.

And a final reason for me - my 26" touring bikes have flat bars (Surly Open Bar) which I have found more comfortable for a long day than the Nitto Noodles (drop bar) I use on my 700-tired LHT. I am not as aerodynamic on my 26" bikes and that could slow me down but I sit in a position that is better when I am riding all day. I realize many people say they find drop bars better and I like drop bars fine for shorter rides but not for all day.

Well, I'd go with what you are familiar with and are use to riding. As far as availability, well after reading hundreds of Crazyguy journals, I can't remember but once or twice that someone had a massive tire/wheel failure. And while Wally World, etc. will likely have 26 inch tires, in this day and age, who can just get on the Internet and order a 700 tire and have it overnighted to whereever you are (I'm talking US). A well built 26 and a well built 700 will both be more than strong enough. Most mountain bikes now use 700/29er wheels, and those of us riding offroad aren't experiencing tire/wheel failures anymore then when riding 26in.

It's funny. The trend in mountain biking has buyers going for 29er's rather than 26" wheels because "they're better." In touring people are starting to claim the opposite.

It's the international availability thing. When I bought a bike to use for long trips, I took into account that someday I'll probably want to ride in the third world, and for that, 26" is the way to go. Otherwise I'd probably have gotten a 700c bike.

IMO--I don't think there is any advantage to 26" wheels. I have a high quality set of 700c wheels that are probably stronger than most stock 26" wheels. I also don't plan on using a tire wider than 32mm for touring. They are a good compromise between weight and comfort.


Cheese to chalk. If you compare the same quality wheels, 26" come out on top in terms of strength because of the shorter spoke.

Other advantages of 26":

Lower gearing. If you use the same components, a 26" wheel will always have lower gearing than a 700C

Lower wheel mass. A 26" wheel has a smaller diameter which translates to less wheel/tire mass if the tires and wheels are of comparable sizes. That's not to say that it's easy to find a 32mm 26" tire but, if you could find one, it would be lighter than a 700C tire of the same size. On the other hand, you can find very wide 700C tires now (29er is just a 700C with a fancy name) and those are heavier than their equivalent sized 26" tire.

Lower standover height for smaller riders. For people with average to above average height, this isn't all that important. If you happen to be short, it's critical.

I think some people are just more familiar with 26" wheels because they come from a mountain biking background. Others would like the option of riding off-road with fat tires.

I come from a road-biking background and no longer own a mountain bike. To me, having a touring bike with 26" wheels would just be a hassle with no real advantages. I couldn't swap wheels and other parts. The wheels would be heavier with fewer options from light weight, folding tires. My touring bike has very strong wheels (36 H Dyads with Ultegra hubs) and I have lots of options for 700x32 tires that are relatively light weight, durable, folding and low rolling resistance. I have no desire to tour off road or in a 3rd World country.

Cheese to chalk. If you compare the same quality wheels, 26" come out on top in terms of strength because of the shorter spoke.

Other advantages of 26":

Lower gearing. If you use the same components, a 26" wheel will always have lower gearing than a 700C

Lower wheel mass. A 26" wheel has a smaller diameter which translates to less wheel/tire mass if the tires and wheels are of comparable sizes. That's not to say that it's easy to find a 32mm 26" tire but, if you could find one, it would be lighter than a 700C tire of the same size. On the other hand, you can find very wide 700C tires now (29er is just a 700C with a fancy name) and those are heavier than their equivalent sized 26" tire.

Lower standover height for smaller riders. For people with average to above average height, this isn't all that important. If you happen to be short, it's critical.

If this really mattered in the real world of common use, then we should all be riding 20 in wheels since their spokes are shorter and the wheels stronger. Let's all call Bike Friday and start ordering some 20 in touring bikes.

In Southeast Asia, 26" wheel spare parts are much easier to find.Tires, inner tubes, spokes, rims etc.
And many small roads here still look like these touring journals.
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(or pavement roads with narrow shoulder, imagine when you tired and have to get out of the road because big trucks coming.)

But i think it would be a different story in Europe where most use 700c, right?

It's funny. The trend in mountain biking has buyers going for 29er's rather than 26" wheels because "they're better." In touring people are starting to claim the opposite.

Yeah, but try to fit that same 29er rim/wheel with tires in your normal 700c frame! 29er frames and rims to me are just a totally different ball game. I rode one several years ago and I wasn't impressed the way it rolled compared with my 26" MTB... And the lateral torsion was indeed more noticeable. The problem comes down again to the availability of parts internationally - With a 29er in less developed countries, one would really be S.O.L. big time.

Mule vs. Horse

I wonder what a bike like the Singular Peregrine would be like with fat but lightweight 700c tires. 2-inch Stan's Crow at 480 grams weight less than many skinny tires and they have some knobs but are also smooth enough to run fast on pavement. Schwalbe's Furious Fred is only 360 grams. A fast yet plush ride. They're racing tires but still you have to wonder...

Funny you mention the Peregrine. This is the frame that I really want to get! But I am also considering a few other options, such as Surly's LHT & Cross Check. I do like the Peregrine because of the disc mounts. I'd really like to run disc brakes.

I do have a couple of sets of 26" wheels hanging around from when I had mtn bikes, and plan on having the hubs relaced onto some 700C rims.

Currently, my commuter is a 1990 Trek 790 Multi Track, which is a wonderful bike & can easily be a nice tourer as well. I'm doing some upgrades to it, to tide me over until I get the money saved up to get the Peregrine. The Trek is running 700C wheels with 700x35 tires (I need to get some new rims, though) & cantilever brakes. If my plans to save for the Peregrine fall through (unforseen expenses, for example), then I'll just go with the Trek that I have, and the "N+1" new bike will have to wait...

frpax, I don't think that there is a clear cut better wheel size when riding in North America or Europe. The 26" wheel is stronger than a comparable 700C wheel. While not greatly stronger, it is a comfort item for some.

Brad

29er rim Is a 622. like a 700c, but wider for the bead of those 60 wide tires.
It would come , like a MTB with 135 rear hub. maybe disc ready..

If this really mattered in the real world of common use, then we should all be riding 20 in wheels since their spokes are shorter and the wheels stronger. Let's all call Bike Friday and start ordering some 20 in touring bikes.

20" wheels have problems with getting a high enough gear to be useful. For example a 48/11 gear with a 700C wheel has a 118" gear. The same gear with a 26" wheel has a 107" gear. That combination with a 20" gear would have an 83" gear. To get a similar gear as the 26" wheel, you'd need a 62 tooth chainwheel. That's a chainring that is 257mm in diameter which could start to have some clearance issues. Plus you wouldn't be able to take advantage of the low gearing on the 20" wheel because there aren't any derailers that could handle a 62 to 22 tooth jump. You'd be limited to around a 34 tooth inner with current derailer technology which gives about the same low gear as a 22/34 on a 26" wheel.

I have toured on 700c and on 26 inch. I considered my 700c LHT to be my pavement touring machine with 37mm tires and my Thorn Sherpa to be my non-pavement machine with 2.0 width tires.

That said, I bought some 26X1.5 Schwalbe Marathon tires that I plan to use this summer on a 400 to 500 mile tour on pavement. So, not sure if I will do more touring on the 700c LHT as I might do all my future touring on the Sherpa. But, that decision is not based on wheel attributes, it is because I like the way that the Sherpa handles when carrying a load.

At one time I had a 700c and a 26" touring bike from the same builder, built up identically in every aspect. At the time I thought I wanted an "expedition" touring bike hence the 26".
In the end I could not like riding the 26" and sold it. It is just me but I thought for my size the difference was like riding a horse versus a donkey.

It's funny. The trend in mountain biking has buyers going for 29er's rather than 26" wheels because "they're better." In touring people are starting to claim the opposite.

good point about the MTB trend, just to throw in a curved ball, how about 650b wheels for touring?

best of both worlds technically but total lack of supply at the moment but would be a great size if they available.

20" wheels have problems with getting a high enough gear to be useful. For example a 48/11 gear with a 700C wheel has a 118" gear. The same gear with a 26" wheel has a 107" gear. That combination with a 20" gear would have an 83" gear. To get a similar gear as the 26" wheel, you'd need a 62 tooth chainwheel. That's a chainring that is 257mm in diameter which could start to have some clearance issues. Plus you wouldn't be able to take advantage of the low gearing on the 20" wheel because there aren't any derailers that could handle a 62 to 22 tooth jump. You'd be limited to around a 34 tooth inner with current derailer technology which gives about the same low gear as a 22/34 on a 26" wheel.

I see that my sarcasm about your original post was missed. BF's/Dahons/Bromptons/etc tour all over the world on 20in wheels. My Dahon Speed TR has 20 in wheels, uses a SRAM Dual Drive. Obviously there are many options to achieve a range of gearing for 20 in wheeled touring bikes. Drivetrain is quite separate from a discussion of wheelsize/strength.

My 26 inch wheeled touring bike is a Mule on steroids... have ridden with folks with 700c bikes with similar loads and they have been hard pressed to keep up.

My 20 inch wheeled bike does have some upper gear limits but when you are loaded down you don't really need 100 gear inches up top... the Shimano 11 speed IGH provides a nice solution for small wheeled bikes in that you can get a nice 25-95 range with the appropriate chain wheel up front.

Find that I am as happy on my 20 inch bike as I am on the 26 inch wheeled bike and when I rode a 700c equipped tourer that was also great and that performance was comparable between all of them.

You can ride small wheeled bikes at pretty crazy speeds if you have the right set up... a larger chain wheel and IGH solves the high gearing issue as does something like the Capreo hub which can run a 9 tooth driver.

At five foot nine I don't ride a 26 inch wheel because of sizing issues but just like the bike and set up I have.

At our shop we have been building more and more 26 inch wheeled touring bikes and tandems than ever... better tyre technology for 26 inch wheels helps just as it has helped with 20 inch wheels which were limited for a long time by a lack of high quality tyres but this is no longer the case.

It's all about availability to me. Choices. Even in the U.S., there are many places you could find yourself on a tour where 700c tires are just not available. Just happened last summer to my gf. She developed a bubble, then a blowout. Tires had less than 300 miles on them. We were in a small town in Northern California with a population just north of 3,000. No bike shops. What they did have was a hunting/outdoor store, and a Rite Aide. Both of those had 26" and 27" tires. No 700's. Through the kindness of some awesome guys in a bike shop 60 miles away, we were able to get a 700 sent up on a little commuter bus the same evening. Many, many thanks to Joe and all the awesome folks at Sports Ltd. in Redding, CA. Short of that, we would have had a delay. Not the end of the world by any stretch, but we would have lost a deposit (full night's fee) on a hotel the following night, and it would have caused us to take a day off in a place where we just didn't want a day off.

She had crap Kenda tires that came with her bike. We didn't realize how bad they were until this happened. If you tour on high quality 700's then maybe it's not much of a worry. I doubt I'd worry much about it if that were the case. But I like the idea of knowing I can find 26-inchers pretty much anywhere that sells bike tires.

It's funny. The trend in mountain biking has buyers going for 29er's rather than 26" wheels because "they're better." In touring people are starting to claim the opposite.
the theory in the mtb world centers around the ability of a bigger tire to roll better over obstructions.

When I built myself a touring frame back in the very early '80s, I made it to fit 27" tires because you could get those everywhere (in the U.S. anyway) and we know how that worked out. Don't think 26" is going away any time soon, but I could be wrong. 650b used to be like 26" is now. These things go in cycles. If I had to guess, in 30 years it may have cycled back to 700c and 650b as the dominant tires

It's all about availability to me. Choices. Even in the U.S., there are many places you could find yourself on a tour where 700c tires are just not available. Just happened last summer to my gf. She developed a bubble, then a blowout. Tires had less than 300 miles on them. We were in a small town in Northern California with a population just north of 3,000. No bike shops. What they did have was a hunting/outdoor store, and a Rite Aide. Both of those had 26" and 27" tires. No 700's. Through the kindness of some awesome guys in a bike shop 60 miles away, we were able to get a 700 sent up on a little commuter bus the same evening. Many, many thanks to Joe and all the awesome folks at Sports Ltd. in Redding, CA. Short of that, we would have had a delay. Not the end of the world by any stretch, but we would have lost a deposit (full night's fee) on a hotel the following night, and it would have caused us to take a day off in a place where we just didn't want a day off.

She had crap Kenda tires that came with her bike. We didn't realize how bad they were until this happened. If you tour on high quality 700's then maybe it's not much of a worry. I doubt I'd worry much about it if that were the case. But I like the idea of knowing I can find 26-inchers pretty much anywhere that sells bike tires.

A couple years ago we toured through Durango, CO. A bike town, right? My SO shredded a Conti TT 700c tire (on his Surly CC) while in town. No bike shop in Durango had a 700c touring tire to sell him. In Durango! He did find a Schwalbe touring tire at a bike shop in the tiny town of Dolores, CO, our next stop. Now he has an LHT with 26" wheels.

It's funny. The trend in mountain biking has buyers going for 29er's rather than 26" wheels because "they're better." In touring people are starting to claim the opposite.

Great observation and true.

The only reason I would ever ride a 26" touring bike again is for 3rd world travel which probably aint going to happen unfortunately. I joined the 29er revolution and don't care if I ride another 26" wheeled bike again. I tour on my Fargo and those big wheels really smooth things out. I would take a 700x40 over a 26x2.0 any day of the week to smooth out the road or trail. If you are not going to leave the US and not going to add couplers, go with the 700c version.

Great observation and true.

The only reason I would ever ride a 26" touring bike again is for 3rd world travel which probably aint going to happen unfortunately. I joined the 29er revolution and don't care if I ride another 26" wheeled bike again. I tour on my Fargo and those big wheels really smooth things out. I would take a 700x40 over a 26x2.0 any day of the week to smooth out the road or trail. If you are not going to leave the US and not going to add couplers, go with the 700c version.

Absolutely! Go Fargo, I'm luv'n the big wheels!

Most of the stuff pro and con is pretty well set out. The main question is to what extent it matters. I don't think 26" wheels are any better off road unless you fall in the camp of believing in very fat wheels, which rarely are important in touring, but opinions vary. 700C is pretty popular in Europe for offroad. I'm real big and have never broken a 700C spoke. All touring tires are very hard to find. 26" parts are easier to find, so long as cheap MTB parts are what you want. The best touring tires I found at Walmart are 27". I have always had easier tire changes on 26" wheels, which doesn't make much sense where similar components are concerned, unless there is something different in the relative bead fit.

It is true that 29er stuff is a fad in MTBs, but I heard a pretty convincing case made by Keith Bontrager that it is was nonsense. 26" touring bikes were very appealing when they weren't really available, but now that LHTs come that way across the board the cool factor is in the ditch.

Regarding the availability of 700c tires, you can carry a spare folding tire such as a Panaracer Pasela TG with little penalty in weight and size. I think the issue of not being able to get tires is greatly overblown unless you're riding in a 3rd world country.

A couple years ago we toured through Durango, CO. A bike town, right? My SO shredded a Conti TT 700c tire (on his Surly CC) while in town. No bike shop in Durango had a 700c touring tire to sell him. In Durango! He did find a Schwalbe touring tire at a bike shop in the tiny town of Dolores, CO, our next stop. Now he has an LHT with 26" wheels.

Maybe you were there when they had an off week. But that hasn't been my experience in Durango. My daughter spent the last 7 years in there and I've had occasion to visit every bike shop in town...several times. While they might not have had a 'touring' tire, I've seen lots of 700C tires that would be adequate for touring in Second Ave. Sports, Durango Cyclery (Surly dealer), Mountain Bike Specialists and Hassle Free Sports as well as at the Helmart south of town. With the college there, they see all kinds of bikes from mountain bikes to hybrids to cruiser and I always found the local shops to be well stocked.

Now if you want bicycle hell, try Texarkana:rolleyes: I had trouble finding 700C tubes there.

Maybe you were there when they had an off week. But that hasn't been my experience in Durango. My daughter spent the last 7 years in there and I've had occasion to visit every bike shop in town...several times. While they might not have had a 'touring' tire, I've seen lots of 700C tires that would be adequate for touring in Second Ave. Sports, Durango Cyclery (Surly dealer), Mountain Bike Specialists and Hassle Free Sports as well as at the Helmart south of town. With the college there, they see all kinds of bikes from mountain bikes to hybrids to cruiser and I always found the local shops to be well stocked.

Now if you want bicycle hell, try Texarkana:rolleyes: I had trouble finding 700C tubes there.

Yeah... Texarcana the place God will give both Texas and Arkansas an enema.. :D

I'm building up a touring/commuter.
All other things being equal (gearing, set up, etc.), why should I go 26"

You tried both versions out and had a preference for the handling of the 26"LHT over the 700c LHT. Then again you could have a preference for how the 700c version handles. They don't handle the same.

I rode a 56cm 700LHT for a year then got a 56cm Cross-Check. Then got a 56cm 26" LHT frameset thinking of turning it into a utility bike.

The 700c LHT likes to go straight, a little more awkward than the Cross-Check for hands off riding at low speeds. Loaded up the 700c LHT felt kind like it had to be pushed through tight turns going up and down curb ramps and sharp low speed turns. It's like a Continental Trailways bus compared to the Cross-Check which feels more like a cross/road bike.
Then I built up the 26" wheeled LHT and it felt like a bike and not a bus. More nimble handling than the 700c LHT and that's with 1.75" tires compared to the 32-35mm I had on the 700c LHT. Loaded up or empty the 26" LHT felt more like the Cross-Check regarding tight turn handling up and over curbs and maneuvering through tight spaces.

The 700c and 26" bikes are both big time haulers it's that they handle/ride differently. For me it's primarily the handling and and the ability to put on 2.1" tires is secondary but I have to say that for very heavy loads 1.75"-2.0" tires are nice and the 700c LHT can't take fenders with similar sized tires.

Maybe you were there when they had an off week. But that hasn't been my experience in Durango. My daughter spent the last 7 years in there and I've had occasion to visit every bike shop in town...several times. While they might not have had a 'touring' tire, I've seen lots of 700C tires that would be adequate for touring in Second Ave. Sports, Durango Cyclery (Surly dealer), Mountain Bike Specialists and Hassle Free Sports as well as at the Helmart south of town. With the college there, they see all kinds of bikes from mountain bikes to hybrids to cruiser and I always found the local shops to be well stocked.

Now if you want bicycle hell, try Texarkana:rolleyes: I had trouble finding 700C tubes there.

We were there in the month of August. We did visit most of the shops while we were in town. They were all ok. At one bike shop, the one on the main street in the downtown area they were helpful in dealing with a bb issue we had. But no tire.

At another bike shop (near the rr crossing and the bridge over the Animas on the north end of downtown, a Surly dealer I think) they said they might have a Conti touring tire in a box of items they just ordered but didn't know when they might get around to unpacking it :twitchy:. We kind of needed it now.:notamused:

The tiny town of Dolores, the next day's stop, had a great shop and some nice Schwalbe 700c touring tires.

I'll bet my 27" wheel tourer will out perform any 26" or 700c wheel on the market......as long as Lance is riding my bike......

It doesn't matter unless your going to cross the Gobi desert on your bike,even then I'm not sure 26's will make a difference.

If your in the middle of nowhere and you need a tire,doesn't matter which ones you have......your still in the middle of nowhere and need a tire.

If your in the middle of nowhere without an extra tire....well....that's another story......

Now if you want bicycle hell, try Texarkana:rolleyes: I had trouble finding 700C tubes there.

As others have said, you don't have to leave the US to have trouble finding 700 tubes and tires, rural southern IL, western KY, and southeast MO will have you scratching your head wondering what decade you're living in when you find more 27" than 700's and we won't even go into the "WTF is a presta valve?". If I ride 700's in more rural midwest areas, I always carry a spare folded 700 tire and lots of tubes (especially if I haven't drilled out my rim to give me the option of using a schrader valve)

edit: And now that I think about it, even last fall one of our riders in southern Arkansas had trouble finding a 700 c tire after he had a sidewall blowout (lots of gorilla tape got us by). 26"ers were everywhere but not a 700 to be found within many miles of calling around.

Having owned a Peregrine, I suggest you take a good look at a Fargo (which I currently own). Both bikes are on/off road compromises, but the Fargo seems better in every respect (except for the EBB): more tire clearance, more standover clearance, better thought out and more braze ones, and seems both more stable off road and more lively on road. I'm not sure how Salsa did that last one.


Funny you mention the Peregrine. This is the frame that I really want to get! But I am also considering a few other options, such as Surly's LHT & Cross Check. I do like the Peregrine because of the disc mounts. I'd really like to run disc brakes.

I do have a couple of sets of 26" wheels hanging around from when I had mtn bikes, and plan on having the hubs relaced onto some 700C rims.

Currently, my commuter is a 1990 Trek 790 Multi Track, which is a wonderful bike & can easily be a nice tourer as well. I'm doing some upgrades to it, to tide me over until I get the money saved up to get the Peregrine. The Trek is running 700C wheels with 700x35 tires (I need to get some new rims, though) & cantilever brakes. If my plans to save for the Peregrine fall through (unforseen expenses, for example), then I'll just go with the Trek that I have, and the "N+1" new bike will have to wait...

Having owned a Peregrine, I suggest you take a good look at a Fargo (which I currently own). Both bikes are on/off road compromises, but the Fargo seems better in every respect (except for the EBB): more tire clearance, more standover clearance, better thought out and more braze ones, and seems both more stable off road and more lively on road. I'm not sure how Salsa did that last one.
Thank you for the recommendation. The Fargo will be on the list as a contender.

It's all about availability to me. ....

She had crap Kenda tires that came with her bike. We didn't realize how bad they were until this happened. If you tour on high quality 700's then maybe it's not much of a worry. I doubt I'd worry much about it if that were the case. But I like the idea of knowing I can find 26-inchers pretty much anywhere that sells bike tires.

I have toasted 3 different Schwalbe marathons out in the middle of no-where, outback/rural Australia. All 3 blew out the sidewall just at the wire bead. All tires had less than 1000 km on them, and one less than 500 km. All on the rear wheel (48 spoke Sun RhynoLite rim). All when pulling a Bob Ibex and 2 rear panniers..

On Yass, NSW the only thing I found (on a Sunday )was a 26" Kendra. It still works.

My next trip is on my 20" wheeled arvon2 "folder". I'll bring 1 (maybe 2) spare marathon(s) because I have them..

I have toasted 3 different Schwalbe marathons out in the middle of no-where, outback/rural Australia. All 3 blew out the sidewall just at the wire bead. All tires had less than 1000 km on them, and one less than 500 km. All on the rear wheel (48 spoke Sun RhynoLite rim). All when pulling a Bob Ibex and 2 rear panniers..


Wow. Haven't heard too many stories like that. I almost lost a Marathon in Nicaragua but that was from running over a bunch of glass that sliced the tread. I was able to continue after booting it. The only time I had a bead problem (wouldn't stay completely seated) was with another Kenda, on the Pacific Coast a few years ago. Limped home on that one. I have Marathon Pluses now which have been bomb proof.

As a newbie trying to decide on a touring bike, its components etc this thread is a bit confusing because there seems to be no consensus. If I am, ahem, a heavyset, 5'8" guy planning a cross country trip fairly soon what should I get? A 700cc (29") or a 26" set and with how many spokes and what type of tires. From what I understand in browsing thru a lot of the posts it looks like more spokes (48) are better, Schwalbe touring tires are recommended, good hubs and rims etc and preferably built by a wheel expert like Peter White if I am not mechanical (am not). Also I don't want to be stranded in the middle of AZ/NM looking for spokes, tubes, tires etc because my loaded bike with my fat ... bent the wheel hitting a pothole...so what should I do if I want to get a solid set of wheels that will get me through this trip? Also does a 700cc or a 26" wheel set have an inherent advantage over the other for an above mentioned oversized shortish person on a touring bike going uphill, downhill, fighting the wind etc?

As a newbie trying to decide on a touring bike, its components etc this thread is a bit confusing because there seems to be no consensus.
I started this thread and will agree, there is no consensus.

I will be going w/ 700C wheels, simply because it's what I like. There are advantages and disadvantages to both, but in the end, I'm more familiar w/ 700C.

I think the one thing we could all agree on is we would rather be touring right now.

I think the one thing we could all agree on is we would rather be touring right now.
+1!! :thumb: