Foo - I axed the end of the year awards.

And there will be no more of them in the future. I'm just really disgusted and ticked off by all of the crabbyness that they have recieved. Go out and get some fresh air, get out on a bike and ride who cares if it's 20 below and there is a foot of snow on the ground go out and do something. I am not mentioning names, since we all need to get out side and ride or do something in the fresh air. Loosen up, the cold air won't hurt you, this crabbyness and pissing and moaning will hurt you in the road ahead.

And there will be no more of them in the future. I'm just really disgusted and ticked off by all of the crabbyness that they have recieved. Go out and get some fresh air, get out on a bike and ride who cares if it's 20 below and there is a foot of snow on the ground go out and do something. I am not mentioning names, since we all need to get out side and ride or do something in the fresh air. Loosen up, the cold air won't hurt you, this crabbyness and pissing and moaning will hurt you in the road ahead.
Thanks a heap curmudgeon. :mad: You couldn't let us have some fun.

edit: The curmudgeon in question knows who he is. Hint: It ISN'T Kona

My realm

Not only on the Bike Forum, but the neighbors, too!
Sorry about that.

BOOO :p :D

Thanks a heap curmudgeon. :mad: You couldn't let us have some fun.

edit: The curmudgeon in question knows who he is. Hint: It ISN'T Kona

It wasn't a one man thing. It sucks. Not gonna get into it though.

Well, the year end awards were kind of fun. They weren't worth getting your shorts in a knot over, whether you were nominated, ignored, dissed or whatever. In the end, they were utterly inconsequential.

They're gone?

Oh, well!

And I was really enjoying the show. Each time I looked, a new award popped up. Some of them right creative. But I guess this whole award thing was like an iceberg. Most of it was not in the open.

Dang! And I was winning one of the contests, too!

:(


Ok, I am over it. I love you, Kona! :love:

Ok, I am over it. I love you, Kona! :love:


Not to presume, but you seem to love everyone.;)

Well, I was hoping to be most something-or-other next year. I'm still a legend in my own mind....:D

Not to presume, but you seem to love everyone.;)

I love you, too! Wanna be my boyfriend?

:love:

I love you, too! Wanna be my boyfriend?

:love:

I love you, too. Have to ask my wife about the bf thing, tho. She'll be home in a couple hours.

Plenty of time....

too bad about the awards.

oh well, life goes on and Trollie gets another boyfriend :p

Always treading the line between good and bad. I have to side with DF on the negative awards*. I didn't agree with DF on setting up the over-50s forum, and I will stir him up occasionally on it. But I haven't really found him as curmudgeonly as some on these forums. And I think he knows that I am only stirring him up because I am not actively campaigning for the 50s forum's removal. I think he also was instrumental in setting up the Recreational Cycling forum. Perhaps dues to him for actually making a contribution to the structure of BF instead of heaping unwarranted ***** on him.

The awards this year degenerated into a rabble. Not Kona's fault. Not DF's fault. Probably partly mine and every other poster who put up cr@p comments. Had the voting been just that -- votes without comment -- we might have got somewhere.

There's no reason why the awards cannot be reconsituted next year with some very solid rules --no negative categories; nominations period; nominations received and seconded and sent by PM to a designated mod; posting of maximum of five nominations for votes only; no comment. Alternatively, have the mods receive the nominations and decide between themselves (after all, they know more about each member than any of us); and there can be a vox-pop poll for people's choice.

* Put this in perspective by reading 521Aussie's post on Forum Suggestions under the Insults Thread.

By the way, it doesn't mean I won't be harsh on imbeciles, trolls and other assorted idiots who should know better. There'd be no fun being a member here, otherwise.

ok - this whole event is really sad. Really sad.
Glad it came to this. Thanks for the brief glimpse of sunlight, I am going back to the FX/SS forums. Now you know why I stay in there like a hermit.

GO INANIMATE CARBON ROD!

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

Always treading the line between good and bad. I have to side with DF on the negative awards*. I didn't agree with DF on setting up the over-50s forum, and I will stir him up occasionally on it. But I haven't really found him as curmudgeonly as some on these forums. And I think he knows that I am only stirring him up because I am not actively campaigning for the 50s forum's removal. I think he also was instrumental in setting up the Recreational Cycling forum. Perhaps dues to him for actually making a contribution to the structure of BF instead of heaping unwarranted ***** on him.

The awards this year degenerated into a rabble. Not Kona's fault. Not DF's fault. Probably partly mine and every other poster who put up cr@p comments. Had the voting been just that -- votes without comment -- we might have got somewhere.

There's no reason why the awards cannot be reconsituted next year with some very solid rules --no negative categories; nominations period; nominations received and seconded and sent by PM to a designated mod; posting of maximum of five nominations for votes only; no comment. Alternatively, have the mods receive the nominations and decide between themselves (after all, they know more about each member than any of us); and there can be a vox-pop poll for people's choice.

* Put this in perspective by reading 521Aussie's post on Forum Suggestions under the Insults Thread.

By the way, it doesn't mean I won't be harsh on imbeciles, trolls and other assorted idiots who should know better. There'd be no fun being a member here, otherwise.

Well said, Rowan. Do you wanna be my boyfriend, too?

:D

:love:

There's no reason why the awards cannot be reconsituted next year with some very solid rules --no negative categories; nominations period; nominations received and seconded and sent by PM to a designated mod; posting of maximum of five nominations for votes only; no comment. Alternatively, have the mods receive the nominations and decide between themselves (after all, they know more about each member than any of us); and there can be a vox-pop poll for people's choice.
sounds like more work than needed for something that is commonly meant for fun. I howled at the fact that I recommended MORRISSEY for Most Charming and the Inanimate Carbon Rod as member of the year and they made the cut. Kona is a stand up Mod for being so inclusive, even if he rides a geared bike... :rolleyes: I say dump them completely if so many rules need to be implemented. Are we going to afternoon tea with the Brontes? Or Oscar Wilde?
I choose the latter. And cucumber sandwiches...

So many rules? What are you talking about? Has the hermit life made you *that* simple? Better than the bloody rabble it degenerated into with rules (yes rules!!!) made on the run.

And your choice of author isn't particulary supportive of your argument. Wilde was a highly regarded and recognised writer. Maybe the contributions of some on these forums needs a bit of positive recognition. The sort of recognition Wilde yearned for, IIRC, at times during his career.

Arrghh, go back to hole you came from. Shame. I think I might have voted for your avatar.

So many rules? What are you talking about?
see the beginning of the statement I quoted from you. Nuff said.


Arrghh, go back to hole you came from. Shame. I think I might have voted for your avatar.
1. Make room in the hole - you're there too.
2. Wow - a forum vote for an image I jacked. I should care why? Or is this some weak form of an attempt to sway sympathy?
At any level, feel free to email me to further discuss this
renegademaster at trackbike dot com

the author comment - you sure about that? Like I said, use the email address to discuss.

While I don't agree with KonaRider24's actions, I must commend him for having the cajonees to claim his actions.

While we're busy making rules, I'd like to make a motion for a new rule that when a MOD makes any edits to a post or thread, (Deleting content or thread, locking a thread or moving it) that they MUST annotate said post or thread with their username and reason for doing so.

Any seconds?

While I don't agree with KonaRider24's actions, I must commend him for having the cajonees to claim his actions.

While we're busy making rules, I'd like to make a motion for a new rule that when a MOD makes any edits to a post or thread, (Deleting content or thread, locking a thread or moving it) that they MUST annotate said post or thread with their username and reason for doing so.

Any seconds?

Yes!

Thank you.


All in favour say 'Aye'.


Opposed, 'Nay'.

Aye

maybe.
Sometimes there just isn't time to discusss what we did and why.
Personally I don't want to have to justify my actions every time I
(we) delete threads from Spammers.
If I mess in a thread, delete stuff etc. I will usually say so. Sometimes
tho I prefer to do this in a PM as to not air someones dirty laundry in public.

Marty (feeling very cantakerous and grouchy today).

Nay
plunk down $25 if you want to make improvements. be ready to give a little if you want to take
Right Hedwig? (btw - GREAT movie! Your sig reminded me of watching it again soon)

']see the beginning of the statement I quoted from you. Nuff said.


1. Make room in the hole - you're there too.

***** man, the rules are about the same in number as those that were slung together for the blood-fest... in fact fewer, because it removes the "rule" that allows comment. But you're obviously so up yourself with the carbon rod, you don't realise that. Does the rod glow? It might make *your* hole look a little brighter.

As it stands, my hole obviously is in a far better place in the world than yours.

As to the rest <shrug>. I don't take it all that seriously.

While I don't agree with KonaRider24's actions, I must commend him for having the cajonees to claim his actions.

While we're busy making rules, I'd like to make a motion for a new rule that when a MOD makes any edits to a post or thread, (Deleting content or thread, locking a thread or moving it) that they MUST annotate said post or thread with their username and reason for doing so.

Any seconds?

Actually, I would just be happy knowing a thread was moved. It might cut some of the confusing posts that result. Coming into the middle of a heated Politics/Religion thread that originated in the recumbent section, can create misunderstandings right out of the gate. Knowing the reason is not important to me. Generally, I find the moderation on this forum to be somewhat benign. The moderators all seem to let us flounder around to our heart's content. I like that.

As to the rest <shrug>. I don't take it all that seriously.

Well, you can't take it seriously. You are from Australia fer crikey sakes. From what I gather, the only things you guys from down under can take seriously are Aussie Football, Beer, and women. And I may be wrong about the woman thing.

How about the moderators vote on the awards in the MOderator's forum. Then post the results out here in FOO!

I really hate to see this tradition die because of a few grumps.

Always treading the line between good and bad. I have to side with DF on the negative awards*. I didn't agree with DF on setting up the over-50s forum, and I will stir him up occasionally on it. But I haven't really found him as curmudgeonly as some on these forums.
I deliberately left the person's name OUT of my post for a reason Rowan, I could be talking about you too.

While I don't agree with KonaRider24's actions, I must commend him for having the cajonees to claim his actions.

While we're busy making rules, I'd like to make a motion for a new rule that when a MOD makes any edits to a post or thread, (Deleting content or thread, locking a thread or moving it) that they MUST annotate said post or thread with their username and reason for doing so.

Any seconds?

Umm...ok I know I try to do that. If I don't I pm the user and I bet most of the time the other mods do to :)

Don't feel the need to justify spam removal though...its spam.:)

I deliberately left the person's name OUT of my post for a reason Rowan, I could be talking about you too.
Where's your mind-reader's licence Raiyn? I don't recall referring to your post and linking it to DF. There were several veiled references to me stirring up DF. And fine, call me what you like. I take you about as seirously as I take you.

By the way CRUM, I like your style. A seppo sadly, but I like your style.

Ok, everyone has spoken their minds about the subject. It's a whole year till the next awards were due, so let's give it some time for everyone to mull things over. Maybe the mods will change their minds in a year's time, maybe not. I think we have about beat this horse to death now!

Don't feel the need to justify spam removal though...its spam.:)


Ok, that's fair enough... I'll give you that :)

http://joanongovernment.homestead.com/files/beat_deadhorse.gif

That was supposed to be before staceys hahaha

http://joanongovernment.homestead.com/files/beat_deadhorse.gif

C'mon whack that sumb!tch s'more... I kin still see 'er twitchin'

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

C'mon whack that sumb!tch s'more... I kin still see 'er twitchin'

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

:roflmao: :roflmao:

Where's your mind-reader's licence Raiyn? I don't recall referring to your post and linking it to DF. There were several veiled references to me stirring up DF. And fine, call me what you like. I take you about as seirously as I take you.
.

Always treading the line between good and bad. I have to side with DF on the negative awards*. I didn't agree with DF on setting up the over-50s forum, and I will stir him up occasionally on it. But I haven't really found him as curmudgeonly as some on these forums. .Curmudgeonly is a rather odd choice of words wouldn't you think? You should know I don't make veiled references very often, much less about things that are between two other members.

There's no reason why the awards cannot be reconsituted next year with some very solid rules --no negative categories; nominations period; nominations received and seconded and sent by PM to a designated mod; posting of maximum of five nominations for votes only; no comment. Alternatively, have the mods receive the nominations and decide between themselves (after all, they know more about each member than any of us); and there can be a vox-pop poll for people's choice.

When I set up the first set of annual awards in 2002 (Kona took over last year when I was on tour), it was more or less as it is above. There were no negative categories, and while comments were allowed on the forum, none of those were negative either. It was kind of "self-moderating" if you like. However, like most things on this forum in recent times, it all went downhill from there. The decline in decorum regarding the awards since then basically reflects the decline in the overall standards on this forum in that time, too.

Laying down a few "rules" might be a good idea, but it also might lead to another 40-post censorship thread. Personally, I'd just let the thing die. It seems that since the sense of community in this place has disappeared, these sort of arguments, insults and whining are a fact of life.

It seems that since the sense of community in this place has disappeared, these sort of arguments, insults and whining are a fact of life.

I guess that's a side effect of the burgeoning membership.

More and more people.....yada, yada......diverse demograhics having increasing
representation, etc, etc...yaya, yada........ = more arguments.


Agree? Or do you have a different theory about the apparent decline in civility?

Or do you have a different theory about the apparent decline in civility?People aren't following the Guidelines, the mods are overworked, people are offering poor advice (and/or) obsessing over minutiae, people are obsessing about people obsessing over minutiae, and generally people taking this ********** too seriously

I guess that's a side effect of the burgeoning membership.

More and more people.....yada, yada......diverse demograhics having increasing
representation, etc, etc...yaya, yada........ = more arguments.

Agree? Or do you have a different theory about the apparent decline in civility?

That's largely what I believe too, although I'm not sure it's down to diverse demographics strictly speaking. I guess it's also a magnet for trolls and the like, too -- a greater feeding ground. I don't necessarily thing more arguments is a bad thing -- arguments can be done in a civilised fashion if people are prepared to simply stay with the topic rather than fling childish insults, and therein lay the problem. When a forum has a sense of community, members seem to be prepared to stay on topic. As a site gets larger, it becomes less about discussion the issue at hand, and more about "winning an argument" or "proving a point".

Basically, there's an optimal level of active membership that provides the best balance between forum traffic and mentioned the side effects, and it appears as though we have surpassed that level.

Overall, it's called anarchy. Degeneration into a no-rules environment. Helps the robbers and looters come in and do their damage. Innocent people die.

And it always amuses me that those who want to live by the no-rules principle always want to run to their own version of rules when it suits THEM.

And Raiyn. Ummm, why the aggro???? You have been least from my mind when posting on DF specifically. HE knows what I mean. So let it rest, eh?

Basically, there's an optimal level of active membership that provides the best balance between forum traffic and mentioned the side effects, and it appears as though we have surpassed that level.
And that's why there are roaming b@stards like me who weed out the imbeciles, idiots and trolls so we can keep the membership at a level or two above the lowest common denominator.

People aren't following the Guidelines, the mods are overworked, people are offering poor advice (and/or) obsessing over minutiae, people are obsessing about people obsessing over minutiae, and generally people taking this ********** too seriously

Hey Raiyn are you ever going to buy a road bike?

And that's why there are roaming b@stards like me who weed out the imbeciles, idiots and trolls so we can keep the membership at a level or two above the lowest common denominator.


funny, i don't see the blue star next to your name mr vigilante

By the way CRUM, I like your style. A seppo sadly, but I like your style.

Well, we all have to be from somewhere. At least I ain't no durn Pommy.

Don't you guys call them Limeys?

funny, i don't see the blue star next to your name mr vigilante
funny, don't you understand the word "b@stard"?