Utility Cycling - need advice on double leg kickstand

I also posted this on the commuting forum.

I'm shopping for a double kickstand for my commuter. I'd like to try a Pletcher but they're too expensive for me. I'm looking at the Civia. Anybody used one of those?
There's also the massload ones. Several models, including one that folds to the non drive side like the Pletcher and the one that just gets narrower when you fold it up. How about those?

m-wave has a steel one that looks nice and is cheep but would that be way heavier than an aluminum one?

There's also the one from crowcycleco.com that has button adjustable legs but the legs are plastic and I'm worried they might break easily.

I have a Sunlight one on another bike and it's been fine. The chain slaps against it sometimes but it's great for when you have weight on the bike or a trailer.

I'm looking for one that is stable, cheep, light(relatively) and maybe doesn't get hit by the chain.

The Pletchers I have are very very high quality and cleverly made, just look for it on sale - if you use it a dozen times a day you will be glad you spent the extra coin now. They are all heavy -every brand, the ones like the Pletcher that flip to one side are far easier IMO to use on a practical basis, like at the grocery store loading it up. Sometimes the Pletcher price is with the rubber boots, sometimes it is not - decide which you want and know if you are getting the boots included - as much as $20 more sometimes. As for me, I have the black Pletcher with black rubber boots on one black bike but did not order boots for the other plain aluminum and it works just fine - but don't park it on a nice wooden floor without boots.

Velo Orange
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-retractable-dual-leg-kickstand.html

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/porteur-double-kickstand.html

Velo Orange
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-retractable-dual-leg-kickstand.html

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/porteur-double-kickstand.html

Ooooo! I like those! Thanks!

Have you used one of the Velo Orange stands? I'd be more interested in the one that folds to one side like the Pletcher.

One thing about the other kind, though, is you can engage it from either side of the bike. Sometimes that comes in handy.

Oh, also, does the pletcher clear the cranks when it is down? Can you still spin them?

The Pletcher even cleared the Cane Creek brakes mounted right in the same area, clears the chain, and it also clear the cranks when down. On my bike at least, it raises the front wheel, but your experience may differ.
Does anyone have real world experience with either of the Velo orange stands posted above?

http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w506/Tucscon/1974%20Raleigh%20Pro/Panther.jpg

Re clearance, I think it depends on the bike. The Pletscher does not clear the cranks on my LHT.

Re clearance, I think it depends on the bike. The Pletscher does not clear the cranks on my LHT.

I think it depends on the bike too, my stands are mounted really far forward to clear the under chainstay mounted brakes, so you might be able to shift the mounting point on other bikes as well. The biggest factor was the rather wide bottom bracket designed to accommodate wide chainstays for the fatty tires. Um, I don't think it is important to clear the cranks when in the down position, mine happened to work out that way.

I think it depends on the bike too, my stands are mounted really far forward to clear the under chainstay mounted brakes, so you might be able to shift the mounting point on other bikes as well. Um, I don't think it is important to clear the cranks when in the down position, mine happened to work out that way.

It's not important, necessarily, but it sure is convenient if you can use your double leg stand as a work stand to adjust your RD, clean and lube the chain, etc.

I have the VO version. It does not clear my cranks (I was seriously bummed). Also the feet are plastic, not rubber. Finally, I initially liked the fact that you didn't have to cut the legs, but could just use a screw. The thing is, there are only limited holes that you can then use, and, because mine is mounted on a bike with 26" wheels, my front wheel is maybe half an inch up in the air and there's nothing I can do about that. I've gotten one of their stabilizer things to that I'll be putting on tonight as a work around and I also have their other double legged kickstand (two builds were going to get kickstands so I figured I'd try one of each and see what worked best for each build). That one also has the plastic feet and looks like it might not clear my chain. We'll have to see. I was pretty bummed because I'd hoped getting one of those on there was going to let me cheap out and not get a stand to do minor repair work on (just use a different hole to be able to raise the wheel and be able to spin the wheel and crank to adjust derailleurs, clean chain, etc.

Let us know how the other VO stand works. It is very nice for it to clear the cranks, like others have said, to use is as a work stand that you always have with you. My bike has a kickstand mounting plate so there's no adjusting how forward or back I place it. I suspect mine will be similar to Rockfish's LHT as far as frame geometry.

Do the plastic feet seem strong or would you worry about them breaking after time and stress?

As far as their strength goes, I don't know. I'll have to look at them again. I will say that I was concerned about getting them all scuffed up by parking the bike in a gravel lot the other day, but I don't know how justified that was.

I can't find anything on the Civia on the web. It looks nice and they seem to make great bikes. I guess it's just too new a product.

I also posted this on the commuting forum.

I'm shopping for a double kickstand for my commuter. I'd like to try a Pletcher but they're too expensive for me. I'm looking at the Civia. Anybody used one of those?
There's also the massload ones. Several models, including one that folds to the non drive side like the Pletcher and the one that just gets narrower when you fold it up. How about those?

m-wave has a steel one that looks nice and is cheep but would that be way heavier than an aluminum one?

There's also the one from crowcycleco.com that has button adjustable legs but the legs are plastic and I'm worried they might break easily.

I have a Sunlight one on another bike and it's been fine. The chain slaps against it sometimes but it's great for when you have weight on the bike or a trailer.

I'm looking for one that is stable, cheep, light(relatively) and maybe doesn't get hit by the chain.

I have this stand on my crusier. It's fully adjustable at a good price.

http://www.crowcycleco.com/double-leg-kickstand-screw-adjust-black.html

I saw the Civia double kickstand on Ebay for $23

Yeah, I've seen them for $25 with free shipping. I just wanted to hear from someone whose used one.
I just won a Pletscher on ebay (and learned how to spell it!). I'll try that. I think I'll like it I'm just hoping my cranks can still spin while it's down.