Advocacy & Safety - Do police officers lie?

Judge for yourself here: http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/138132/index.php

I wouldn't lump every police officer into that category. My brother is a texas state trooper and most of those guys are pretty nice. So to answer your question, did THIS police officer lie...looks like it but not all of them lie.

Same here... 99.9 percent of police officers do not lie, but it takes the 2 to make them all look bad.

its more probable that the police officers you know dont seem like the kind of people to lie and they probably dont lie to you. try being at the other end of a baton and see what happens. cops lie to make busts all the time. they may rationalize it differently to thier friends though.

its more probable that the police officers you know dont seem like the kind of people to lie and they probably dont lie to you. try being at the other end of a baton and see what happens. cops lie to make busts all the time. they may rationalize it differently to thier friends though.

I believe the term is "testilying".

-Trevor

This was standard behavior throughout the RNC in New York. Vast numbers of arrests were made by the same small group of very aggressive scooter-riding undercovers, many of whom were reportedly previously assigned to the notorious street crimes unit responsible for the Diallo shooting amongst other and under the command of the sargeant previosly in command of that unit. The scooter cops did not carry badges and did not identify themselves as police officers; instead, they cuffed people - often very violently - and then left the scene. Shortly therafter, patrol units would arrive to act as "arresting officer". This served at least two purposes that I can think of: first, of course, was the intimidation factor: violent people running peaceful protesters over with scooters is fairly frightening and tends to dissuade said protestors; secondly, arresting officers are responsible for a LOT of paperwork, so pretending that other officers had made the arrests left the scooter cops free to pursue other activities - like continued violence against protesters in other locations.

There is no question in my mind that the dispicable behavior described in the article linked above was official police policy during the RNC.

gee, do ya think?

I raugh so hard when I read title I almost pish my pants.

Anybody watch Serpico? That gave me, what I believed to be, a fair and accurate assesment of the Police mind.

People lie. Cops are people.

People lie. Cops are people.


this man is very accurate. anyone who can make money or reputation by merely lying will almost definately do so.

You took that further than I meant. Cops are people, so they sometimes lie. But I think being a cop will bring out the best in an honest person or the worst in a dishonest person.

In traffic court, if the police officer does not lie, he has little chance of getting the ticket discharged. I've seen it with my own eyes!

You took that further than I meant. Cops are people, so they sometimes lie. But I think being a cop will bring out the best in an honest person or the worst in a dishonest person.


that's fine. i still think mine to be true. just look at sales men or business men... they all have something to gain by lying. people lie if they can get soemthing for it.

Police officers lie??!!?? Come on!! No way... geez, next you are going to ask if the President would lie!!

Why do you hate Amerika so much?

Why do you hate Amerika so much?


you're german! why don't you tell us?

The video proved that the officer fabricated his testimony. So, the next day he got fired from the police force, was arrested, convicted of perjury, and sent to prison for ten years.

In your dreams. He will get a letter of reprimand, will not get arrested, and will continue to "protect and serve".

I talked with a judge who had hear dthousands of officers testify over a period of thirty years. I asked her how many officers had testified in front of her in a "swearing match" with an arrested citizen who did not stretch or "modify" the truth in any form. She said "Two".

Kids...kids...kids...yea, cops are people and people lie. Do cops lie more than others, I kinda doubt it. But then again, I'm a biased pig myself. regarding the comment about having to lie to win in court- that's just plain stupid...about as stupid as running a red light or doing 30 over the speed limit and then *****in' and moaning about getting caught and cited. Regarding being on the receiving end of a baton...why the hell would you put yourself in such a position? You gotta work to get beaten...why be so lame? Yea...yea...AMERIKKKA! The Man's opressing me...give it a break...the victim mentality's getting really old. Be responsible for your actions and maybe...just maybe...
The Man won't need to deal with you.

http://www.unknownnews.org/05010404roundup.html I don't recall ever seeing a website dedicated to crooked cyclists.

http://www.unknownnews.org/05010404roundup.html

The saddest story in the "LYING COPS" roundup is Tulia, Texas. A lying cop claimed that the MAJORITY of black males, aged 17 to 30, living in Tulia, Texas were selling him drugs. The local judge and prosecutor pretended to believe him, and MOST of the black men in the town in that age group ended up in prison.

He had invented the story. Only recently, have the very slooow wheels of "Texas Justice" resulted in the release of the falsely accused Tulia citizens.

Now, if someone claimed that the MAJORITY of men in a community ran a bike store, people would instantly know the story is false. If the majority of men are selling bikes, the sellers would outnumber the customers. But, when an outrageous lie is told in a former slave state about Black males, the white judges, prosecutors, and juries are eager to pretend to believe the lie.

I used to play football as a high schooler. Some of my football buddies became cops and I was invited to their parties. As most people know, police officers tend to form little sub cultures within their communities. This groups had a real "us vs. them" mentality - to the point where I was no longer invited. They definitely had the attitude that people in general were either stupid or criminals. In any case, the stories these guys told each other were very upsetting. They talked (and laughed) about how they would beat or frighten the people they had arrested. If there were complaints, the cops would automatically back each other up. And not just people who had broken the law. They routinely harrassed visible minorities. In one instance that I can recall, they maced a kid (a minority) riding his bike as they drove by in the cruiser. Great laughter as they described the subsequent wipeout... and the kid hadn't done a thing wrong!

I was the only one there who seemed to have a problem with this. And you know, these were not bad guys in high school. They were good buddies, decent people, and friends. I guess there is just something about having that authority or seeing the things they see that does this do them.

"I wouldn't lump every police officer into that category." Frankly, the whole thing stinks of a orchestrated effort by numerous officers of all ranks up to the top.

The other musing is this: Is it lying if you've convinced yourself that its true? Is it lying if you truely believe your citing a law that actually (but doesn't really) exists? To the lay person, the person on the other side of the badge - yes. To an unreasonable authority figure - no.

Regarding being on the receiving end of a baton...why the hell would you put yourself in such a position? You gotta work to get beaten...why be so lame?

In New York, during the RNC, the only "work" required to get attacked by cops was to be out-of-doors without a W button. Yes, that was an unusual circumstance - but if people don't stand up for their rights, it's likely to get more common all the time.

IThey definitely had the attitude that people in general were either stupid or criminals.

Funny you should say that. I have always thought that the only people that want to be cops are psychos and criminals. Your story seems to verify that.

also. if you are anyone offended by the idea that we watch over those with athority using the "evil eye"... well.. that's kinda what america was founded for us to do. we're supposed to treat every governmental body with suspicion. checks and balances.

The real problem with cops that lie is that it weakens all cops ability to testify. I finished jury duty last week after a weeklong trail involving two different DUI charges. The evidence came down to believing two cops (CHP and Sac Sheriff) testimonies. Two different jurors disbelieved a cop each and the jury hung. Any cop that lies hurts all DAs ability to use any cops as witnesses. Additionally, this particular cop has brought into question any testimony he previously gave. By lying in this one instance (all we know) he may free legitimately convicted criminals in his past.

A singular criminal can only do so much damage; a criminal government can murder millions.

Do police officers lie?

Yes. Yes they do.

can anyone tell me exactly who monitors the police and makes sure they're not doing anything illegal? and if there is a group monitoring the police, who's monitoring them?

I still say cops should have to work for tips. Maybe then they'd help more people who could use defending, than arrest people for sitting in their house smoking pot...

A singular criminal can only do so much damage; a criminal government can murder millions.[/QUOTE]


Trevor98......Thanks so much....This clarifies the increasing unease I've been feeling......

WOW...for a minute I thought this was the ACLU forum. I guess the next threads should be "all soldiers are baby killers," or "all Lawyers are ambulance chasers" or how bout this one..."all pot-smokers are stupid." This kind of rational makes life so simple. Gosh...I was going around thinking that life was so complicated. Thank you all so much for clearing this up for me. So the next time I get busted for speeding, I can just tell the officer "sorry I'm just a baby-killing, stupid pot smoker who's ambulance-chasing lawyer is gonna sue you if you don't get away from me...you liar." I'm sure that's gonna work. GROW UP

WOW...for a minute I thought this was the ACLU forum. I guess the next threads should be "all soldiers are baby killers," or "all Lawyers are ambulance chasers" or how bout this one..."all pot-smokers are stupid." This kind of rational makes life so simple. Gosh...I was going around thinking that life was so complicated. Thank you all so much for clearing this up for me. So the next time I get busted for speeding, I can just tell the officer "sorry I'm just a baby-killing, stupid pot smoker who's ambulance-chasing lawyer is gonna sue you if you don't get away from me...you liar." I'm sure that's gonna work. GROW UP

Did you even READ this thread? The issue here is a particular policy at a particular place and time, under which a large number of NYC police were ordered to behave in an unconstitutional manner. Unless I missed something (and that's possible, since there are a couple of posts here from people on my "ignore" list), nobody has made any screamingly unfair generalizations until your post quoted above.

can anyone tell me exactly who monitors the police and makes sure they're not doing anything illegal? and if there is a group monitoring the police, who's monitoring them?

I still say cops should have to work for tips. Maybe then they'd help more people who could use defending, than arrest people for sitting in their house smoking pot...

http://www.copwatch.com

yeah, copwatch.com is a decent site, but I honestly don't think they make them selves known enough. some nice guerilla propaganda would be good, well atleast in the areas I live in, since no one seems to know about them...

Lying is a national passtime. Just listen to our politicians!

Same here... 99.9 percent of police officers do not lie, but it takes the 2 to make them all look bad.
interesting statistic. care to share how you arrived at that figure? perhaps describe your data set? margin of error for this study?

wake up.

You missed something.