Professional Cycling For the Fans - Lance & Simeoni

Excuse my ignorance but WHY on TDF 2004 Stage 18, the escapees MINDED the fact that Lance caught up with them (in spite of their dispute), and it was like a threat:
If Simeoni doesn't return to the peloton I'll (Lance) stay with you up with the front leaders?
Why the big deal ?
Doesn't Lance have as much right to chase the leaders and win the stage (if so he desires) ?
Can someone explain this to me? Still not clear to me.

Corsaire

a break has a better chance of staying away if there aren't any high profile riders in it. if lance had stayed, the peloton would have chased them down and it would be simeoni's fault because he didn't do what lance said.

lance has always been an ass. people think just because he survived cancer that he's some kind of superhero, so he uses that to his advantage. you can tell he's a self-absorbed ass when he does interviews. "wearyellow" just makes him look like a nice guy. that's the high price one pays to keep their secrets secret. barry bonds might have learned something from him.

a break has a better chance of staying away if there aren't any high profile riders in it. if lance had stayed, the peloton would have chased them down and it would be simeoni's fault because he didn't do what lance said.

lance has always been an ass. people think just because he survived cancer that he's some kind of superhero, so he uses that to his advantage. you can tell he's a self-absorbed ass when he does interviews. "wearyellow" just makes him look like a nice guy. that's the high price one pays to keep their secrets secret. barry bonds might have learned something from him.

Ok, but then again WHY? is that like a unwritten rule in the TDF ?
High profile riders must let other riders have their way (in other words, let other lesser riders win some stages), once it's understood he's the likely winner of the Tour???
Corsaire

no...
lance has issues with simeoni on a personal/legal level. that's what made it such a big deal. simeoni testified against a doctor who had supplied him with performance-enhancing drugs, and it jsut so happens that this doctor is a good friend of lance(go figure). so lance let his personal issues get in the way of the race, which is quite unprofessional and also helps fan the "lance has a secret" flame.

if i was simeoni and lance tried to pull that crap on me, i would have decked his ass right off his bike and then stopped to beat the hell out of him.

Wasn't it about what he SAID to Simeoni ... supposedly something along the lines of "I have money and lawyers. I'm going to bury you"? Or was he supposed to have said that at some other time?

Wasn't it about what he SAID to Simeoni ... supposedly something along the lines of "I have money and lawyers. I'm going to bury you"? Or was he supposed to have said that at some other time?

that too.

if i was simeoni and lance tried to pull that crap on me, i would have decked his ass right off his bike and then stopped to beat the hell out of him.

Do you think Jan would have stopped and waited this time :D

no...
lance has issues with simeoni on a personal/legal level. that's what made it such a big deal. simeoni testified against a doctor who had supplied him with performance-enhancing drugs, and it jsut so happens that this doctor is a good friend of lance(go figure). so lance let his personal issues get in the way of the race, which is quite unprofessional and also helps fan the "lance has a secret" flame.

if i was simeoni and lance tried to pull that crap on me, i would have decked his ass right off his bike and then stopped to beat the hell out of him.

Sorry to be persistent guys, but I'm passed the Lance & Simeoni's ordeal, forget Lance and Simeoni for a minute:
Why the Yellow Jersey CAN'T chase the leaders at that point of the TDF, in this case: Stage 18 ????
Why would the leader pack protest to see (any) Yellow Jersey among them ?

Hope tha's more clear....

Corsaire

Wasn't it about what he SAID to Simeoni ... supposedly something along the lines of "I have money and lawyers. I'm going to bury you"? Or was he supposed to have said that at some other time?

maybe that was the gist of it, but i wasn't aware that lance speaks italian and i've never seen simeoni speak english. seems clear that whatever was said, the message got through.

Do you think Jan would have stopped and waited this time :D

hard to say. jan's "people" might know lance's "people."

There's no rule to say he can't chase, but it's very unusual for the yellow jersey to do that.

well thats certainly true in todays TdF where the leader can't fart without team support, but back
in the day, Eddy (the REAL cannibal) would chase down a break on his own, and then drop em like
a bad habit. Anquetil was known to almost kill himself to stop Poulidor from taking a stage win.
The history is there, but alas, those halcyon days of cycling are long gone. . . .

Marty

Sorry to be persistent guys, but I'm passed the Lance & Simeoni's ordeal, forget Lance and Simeoni for a minute:
Why the Yellow Jersey CAN'T chase the leaders at that point of the TDF, in this case: Stage 18 ????
Why would the leader pack protest to see (any) Yellow Jersey among them ?

Hope tha's more clear....

Corsaire

because the peloton isn't going to let the yellow jersey break away. the break could have worked but because lance chased simeoni it wasn't going to happen.

Sorry to be persistent guys, but I'm passed the Lance & Simeoni's ordeal, forget Lance and Simeoni for a minute:
Why the Yellow Jersey CAN'T chase the leaders at that point of the TDF, in this case: Stage 18 ????
Why would the leader pack protest to see (any) Yellow Jersey among them ?

Hope tha's more clear....

Corsaire

well that's what i sort of addressed in my first post. it's because the main pack with all of the contenders wouldn't want lance to get more time on them. so his presence in the break means the break will be caught for sure. the guys who were already in the break wanted to have a chance to win the stage, but that wouldn't happen as long as lance was there taking care of his own business. the guys in the break were pissed at simeoni, because he was going to be the cause of them getting caught. lance wasn't there to try and win the stage.

well that's what i sort of addressed in my first post. it's because the main pack with all of the contenders wouldn't want lance to get more time on them. so his presence in the break means the break will be caught for sure. the guys who were already in the break wanted to have a chance to win the stage, but that wouldn't happen as long as lance was there taking care of his own business. the guys in the break were pissed at simeoni, because he was going to be the cause of them getting caught. lance wasn't there to try and win the stage.

Aha! understood. I had been watching last night the TDF 2004 on DVD and wondered why something like that would happen. Thank you guys!

maybe that was the gist of it, but i wasn't aware that lance speaks italian and i've never seen simeoni speak english. seems clear that whatever was said, the message got through.

I dunno who speaks what! Simeoni claims to have understood something though like you said.

"Simeoni was quoted by Gazzetta as saying that while he rode with Armstrong, the Texan said, “You made a mistake to speak against Ferrari, and you made a mistake to take legal action against me. I have money and time and lots of lawyers. I can destroy you.”"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5539354/

greg lemond supposedly recieved threats from some friends of lance as well. seems like that happens to alot of people these days...

I dunno who speaks what! Simeoni claims to have understood something though like you said.

"Simeoni was quoted by Gazzetta as saying that while he rode with Armstrong, the Texan said, “You made a mistake to speak against Ferrari, and you made a mistake to take legal action against me. I have money and time and lots of lawyers. I can destroy you.”"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5539354/
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i followed the link and was suprised to find this other link in the text (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5538941/). i had no idea lance raced three days after the tour. humm...learn something new everyday. thanks.
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i followed the link and was suprised to find this other link in the text (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5538941/). i had no idea lance raced three days after the tour. humm...learn something new everyday. thanks.
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Yeah I remember reading that and then looking at the winning time ... 2 hrs 12 minutes :eek:

There will be no Lance @ this year's Giro for sure now. The Italians want an Italian winner, regardless. Apparently, they'll get their wish again. However, wouldn't it be great to see Armstrong, and Cunego going @ it, eh?

Apparently, it's only going to happen in my dreams now. :(

Hey Marty ... your God Rights are messing wiv da board!

Check your post under my moniker above!

Macman,

I sent you a PM. I thought I was replying w/ quote. apparently hit edit by
mistake.
My sincere apology for that.

Marty

Macman,

I sent you a PM. I thought I was replying w/ quote. apparently hit edit by
mistake.
My sincere apology for that.

Marty

S'ok ... I'm 90% hot air anyway!

No, I thought it was a good post.
the only point I was making was that this used to happen
all the time (well not ALL the time, but it happened).
and No, Jan would not have waited. Tyler would be busy
trying to control the whole thing (while transfusing) and
Jan would have said "auf Weidersain" or however you spell that.

Marty

no...
lance has issues with simeoni on a personal/legal level. that's what made it such a big deal. simeoni testified against a doctor who had supplied him with performance-enhancing drugs, and it jsut so happens that this doctor is a good friend of lance(go figure). so lance let his personal issues get in the way of the race, which is quite unprofessional and also helps fan the "lance has a secret" flame.

if i was simeoni and lance tried to pull that crap on me, i would have decked his ass right off his bike and then stopped to beat the hell out of him.
You would stop and do that? You.

Lance can box. He would have kicked Simeoni's hind end unless he knows some sort of secret kung fu or something.

Lance can box.


Hahahahahahahahaha. Nike saw you coming ....

Lance can box. He would have kicked Simeoni's hind end unless he knows some sort of secret kung fu or something.
Lance cannot box. I sort of know Fitzroy Vanderpool (some of my buddies train under him, but i really know his brother), Fitz is the guy in the Nike commercial boxing with Lance. He is a world class boxer and was or is still ranked number 1. Last year when he came home from doing that commercial he said something to the effect of "No, no Lance can't box at all, not a fighter at all."

Hey Trev watch your toes.....some names are heavy.

Lance cannot box. I sort of know Fitzroy Vanderpool (some of my buddies train under him, but i really know his brother), Fitz is the guy in the Nike commercial boxing with Lance. He is a world class boxer and was or is still ranked number 1. Last year when he came home from doing that commercial he said something to the effect of "No, no Lance can't box at all, not a fighter at all."

I am sure that to a world class boxer like Fitz, Lance is no boxer....much as Fitz is not much of a cyclist to Lance.... :rolleyes:

Hey Trev watch your toes.....some names are heavy.


LOL

The other thing is that the breakaways' had a chance at a stage win...they all knew that if Lance was in the breakaway, then anyones chances of a stage win were blown

I was watching stage 16 that I taped on my DVR a few weeks ago and there was "EPO LANCE" painted on the street. I'm not sure if he saw it but it was easy to see on the helicopter shot. Sad...

I can't believe how those riders can ride with all those "fans" in their way like that.

I am sure that to a world class boxer like Fitz, Lance is no boxer....much as Fitz is not much of a cyclist to Lance.... :rolleyes:
So do you have information to the contrary? I was merely offering a name to lend a bit of credability to my post in case someone thought was blowing smoke out my ass. Anyways, I did some work near Lennox Lewis's new house yesterday which is just on the other side of the river from Todd Bertuzis place, which is also on my Time trial route, ooops hope I didn't upset anyone :)

Corsaire: is your avatar of Rudolf Nureyev ( if so that's totaly gay ) or Mikhail Baryshnikov ( if so that's totaly stud ) ? ;-) If it's Vaslav Nijinsky , well then your just plain confused. ;-)

Corsaire: is your avatar of Rudolf Nureyev ( if so that's totaly gay ) or Mikhail Baryshnikov ( if so that's totaly stud ) ? ;-) If it's Vaslav Nijinsky , well then your just plain confused. ;-)

It is Rudolf Nureyev, he was very gay alright, so what. Still the best ballet dancer ever in my book, Baryshnikov is very good too, I like his art as well, just happens that I was a fan of Nureyev regardless of what his sexual inclinations were, I'm not bias by those superficial things.
If you're good - you're GOOD, in my book, period! .... even if you like it in the A** or not.
Corsaire :D

I read recently that he was not going to give the Italians what they wanted - him (Lance) cycling in the Giro. Due to all the legal crap going on. But he did go on to say that he would rather cycle in the Giro vs. the Tour de Spain.

I just read an article about Cunego last night. 23 yeard old and already a powerhouse. If I was a betting man, I would have to lean towards Lance Head-to-head. I just think Lance has the "experience", and that goes a long way in winning many of these races.



There will be no Lance @ this year's Giro for sure now. The Italians want an Italian winner, regardless. Apparently, they'll get their wish again. However, wouldn't it be great to see Armstrong, and Cunego going @ it, eh?

Apparently, it's only going to happen in my dreams now. :(

It is Rudolf Nureyev, he was very gay alright, so what. Still the best ballet dancer ever in my book, Baryshnikov is very good too, I like his art as well, just happens that I was a fan of Nureyev regardless of what his sexual inclinations were, I'm not bias by those superficial things.
If you're good - you're GOOD, in my book, period! .... even if you like it in the A** or not.
Corsaire :D

I was just funning on the gay part. But remember
Nijinsky is the only dance ever to do 4 tour enlair (sp?) they are all great, to me you can't say one is better than the other in this group.

in my heyday
http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/adam_tate/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/prince.jpg
http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/adam_tate/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/patagoina.jpg

no...

if i was simeoni and lance tried to pull that crap on me, i would have decked his ass right off his bike and then stopped to beat the hell out of him.

If you were Simeoni, and Lance pulled that crap, you'd have dropped back and cried about it on TV. Dog hair might have kicked some ass, but Simeoni just whined. If Lance is an ass, at least he was strong enough to control the race.

I really believe Bjarne Riis has put together a team that can challenge Lance at the TdF. Basso has some supermen to pull him around France. Voigt, Piil, Sastre, and Julich to begin with. Lots of break away firepower with Zabriskie and Schleck.

The way Postal did it last year was that they would tempo ride the legs off of everybody at the base of the mountains, position a rider or two to carry Lance up the side, then have Lance close the deal. Very simple and effective.

I look at CSC's squad and I think they'll match up against this strategy very well. They're looking strong the last month with some impressive break aways in Qatar and Mediterraneen. They won't be easy to wear down. Plus Basso has last year's experience that he can tap. Plus there are lesser mountaintop finishes in this year's Tour.

You have to favor Lance, but I think Basso is a lock for the podium and could possibly duel Lance in the mountains.

I really believe Bjarne Riis has put together a team that can challenge Lance at the TdF. Basso has some supermen to pull him around France. Voigt, Piil, Sastre, and Julich to begin with. Lots of break away firepower with Zabriskie and Schleck.

The way Postal did it last year was that they would tempo ride the legs off of everybody at the base of the mountains, position a rider or two to carry Lance up the side, then have Lance close the deal. Very simple and effective.

I look at CSC's squad and I think they'll match up against this strategy very well. They're looking strong the last month with some impressive break aways in Qatar and Mediterraneen. They won't be easy to wear down. Plus Basso has last year's experience that he can tap. Plus there are lesser mountaintop finishes in this year's Tour.

You have to favor Lance, but I think Basso is a lock for the podium and could possibly duel Lance in the mountains.

I have to agree with you, this is one of the smartest calls I've seen here yet.

Simeoni's a crybaby.

Little snitch.

"He say mean things to me. Very, very mean man Mr. Armstrong. Why is he so bad, I only sued him."


Real men settle disputes between each other, this guy is a crybaby.

Simeoni's a crybaby.

Little snitch.

"He say mean things to me. Very, very mean man Mr. Armstrong. Why is he so bad, I only sued him."


Real men settle disputes between each other, this guy is a crybaby.
Any man who appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward.
Any man who cannot take care of himself without that law is both.
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant " If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you will be forgiven".
Such is the rule of honour.

Any man who appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward.
Any man who cannot take care of himself without that law is both. . . .
So when we ask the law to punish a motorist who intentionally runs down a cyclist, we are a fool, a coward, or both?

ahhhhh. . . tangents, gotta love em.

The thing that no one has mentioned is that Lance chasing down the break occured when he had the Tour wrapped up and there was no reason to attack or try to gain minutes.

Yes, Merckx would attack even when he didn't have to, but he explained that he did that because he got paid based on wins and wanted to earn more money for his team. It was a different era.

My snideness aside, there are different rules for sports than the rest of life. LA was a a bully, but taking out personal scores on the playing field (or the race course) has long been a part of sports. Simeoni is being a weenie by trying to use the courts to make up for what he couldn't do on the race course.

My snideness aside, there are different rules for sports than the rest of life. LA was a a bully, but taking out personal scores on the playing field (or the race course) has long been a part of sports. Simeoni is being a weenie by trying to use the courts to make up for what he couldn't do on the race course.

Exactly.

There are plenty of valid reasons for going to court. Even valid reasons for leaking something to the press. But this is neither. Simeoni is a crybaby.

You don't take a guy to court and then cry to the press when he ****s with you in a race because of it.


Do not mask swear words to bypass the swear filter

Maelstrom
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Ahhh, time to bring this thread back to life:

This was just in cyclingnews.com:

Italian Prosecutor Giuseppe Quattrocchi has decided to not pursue Filippo Simeoni's complaint in 2004 for intimidation and insults allegedly made by Lance Armstrong during Stage 18 of the 2004 Tour de France, from Annemasse to Lons le Saunier. Quattrocchi nixed Simeoni's case as he decided that the events were part of a sporting event and had nothing to do with public life.

Although Simeoni alleged that Armstrong threatened him, the case came down to Armstrong's word against Simeoni's and Prosecutor Quattrocchi has decided that Simeoni's allegations had insufficient credibility to proceed with.

Referencing the first post. These kind of events just give the sport character. Without character it is just another race.