Masters Racing (All Disciplines) - Race Rigs - Show us your equipment!

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Hermes
07-11-12, 12:01 PM
This is the place to show bikes, wheel sets, cockpits and any noteworthy equipment.


Hermes
07-11-12, 12:03 PM
I pulled the trigger on a new wheel set for track - Fast Forward rear disc and 5 spoke front. The Fast Forward are different from Zipps in that the rear disc has a conical shape, stiffer and heavier. Here is my Felt TK2 set up with the new wheels and Shimano Pro Missile pursuit cockpit. The seat to bar drop is 14 cm. I will use this setup in the kilo.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/Felt%20Track%20Bike/IMG_3918.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/Felt%20Track%20Bike/IMG_3920.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/Felt%20Track%20Bike/IMG_3921.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/Felt%20Track%20Bike/IMG_3922.jpg

Here is the boss with them set up on her Cervelo. I tried to convince her that there was too much red but unfortunately Cleave was there and in his opinion a bike cannot have too much red.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/Felt%20Track%20Bike/MEACerveloFFWheels.jpg

I rode them in the 500 and set a new PR by .5 seconds. I was in a win win situation. If I did well it was me and if I sucked it was the wheels. However, I noticed the difference in the stiffness between the Zipp 900 and HED tri spoke and Fast Forwards. When I was accelerating at full power in the turn the bike was more stable than with the other wheelset which IMO facilitates me putting in more power.

lhbernhardt
08-13-12, 04:57 PM
Well, the bikes are all very impressive. I really like looking at fancy cutting edge bikes, imagining how much of an advantage they would confer. But allow me to interject a contrarian view: that too much time spent on a really fast bike actually makes you slower! (You can probably figure out why.)

Yes, even though our sport is geared towards finding the greatest technical advantage thru various technologies, I really think that most racers - beginning racers in particular - focus far too much on the equipment. After having raced for over 35 years, and with over 40 years of serious cycling experience, I would conclude that unless you are at the national or international level, equipment just does not matter! It just needs to be in the same balllpark and it needs to be reliable. After that, it's just showing off for no good reason.

My first good racing bike was a Peugeot PX10. I sold it and got a Schwinn Paramount, followed by better and better bikes and equipment. But I'm sure that if I had just kept racing that same Peugeot, my results would have been no different. Yes, I would have got rid of the fragile French components (the Simplex rear derailleur packed it in at Nevada City in my first year, and I've broken just about every Lyotard pedal I've owned) and upgraded the wheels with the Normandy hubs to wheels with Campag hubs, but the basic frame was really all I needed.

When I raced in Masters stage races in Guatemala and Mexico, I'd be chasing guys up the climbs on the cheapest equipment they'd stopped making years ago. Old Weinmann sidepulls didn't slow these guys down. The cheap frames did suffere in crashes, though. I remember untangling my Masi from a pileup. It had remained intact while the frame I untangled it from had bent tubes! But the guy kept riding.

I think that if I were a young guy and just starting off in racing, I'd get a decent, not expensive bike to race on, but I would do most of my training on a steel fixed-gear bike. I've found that on my training rides where I'm the only one on the fixie, I always get the best workout of anybody on the ride because I'm working harder than everybody else. Sometimes I'm the only one working! I also have to pay the most attention to what's happening so I don't get caught at the back if a gap opens. It's harder to bridge a gap with a limited gear. A guy I know who used to be on the former East German national team said that they would spend the early season on fixed gears. The coach would make them go up impossible climbs until they fell over!

But what I enjoy most about riding the steel fixie now is going on the big organized rides, climbing the hills in 44x17, and dropping guys on expensive carbon fiber bikes with 11-spd Di2 and cf race wheels, and quietly chuckling to myself: " you have just been dropped by a 61-year-old dude on a steel fixed gear bike."

For younger riders, when the time comes that you need the really expensive lightweight aero equipment, your team will give it to you. And if that never happens, well, sorry, like me, you just weren't good enough. I guess once you're racing Masters, you can go out and buy it yourself. You really do need to ride carbon fiber just so you'll know it's nice, but it really doesn't make much difference!

Luis


Racer Ex
08-13-12, 06:36 PM
Well, the bikes are all very impressive. I really like looking at fancy cutting edge bikes, imagining how much of an advantage they would confer. But allow me to interject a contrarian view: that too much time spent on a really fast bike actually makes you slower! (You can probably figure out why.)

I would disagree. Speed comes from training and genetics. You can train just as poorly on a Wal Mart bike as a Pinerrello. Or just as well. Where it would matter is if you were spending money on bling vs. coaching or training tools, in which case it's a poor investment. Or waiting for an auction to close on Ebay instead of training.


I think that if I were a young guy and just starting off in racing, I'd get a decent, not expensive bike to race on, but I would do most of my training on a steel fixed-gear bike.

I think riding a fixed gear or a simulation thereof has it's place and has great value, but there are limiters that might make this a poor choice. If they could ride a fixed gear I'd put every new racer no matter what their age out on the track for the first two seasons.

The bling vs. Wal Mart issue has been done to death over in the 41. A faster bike is a faster bike. A lighter bike is a lighter bike. Physics doesn't go away in bike racing because we wish it would. And it's not a zero sum game...you can have an expensive bike with all the trimmings and still train and race your ass off. The question is simply an allocation of resources and the amount of improvement you might expect. "Worth" is an entirely subjective measure. Personally I'm a gear head because it engages my intellect and I like creativity.

And I'll ask...when the guy with the Colnago with Di2 and Lightweight wheels leaves you for dust, what's the internal dialogue ;)

chasm54
08-14-12, 12:27 AM
And I'll ask...when the guy with the Colnago with Di2 and Lightweight wheels leaves you for dust, what's the internal dialogue ;)

Agree with everything you say, Ex, but my internal dialogue is usually more about my need to train more effectively than my lack of Di2. The best equipment is the best equipment, no argument. But cycling is full of people who remind me of the 24-handicapper golfers I used to play with. Every year they'd buy a new set of the latest Taylomades, or Pings, or whatever, certain it would make them better golfers. They never bothered with practicing much, though...

Racer Ex
08-14-12, 07:45 AM
Agree with everything you say, Ex, but my internal dialogue is usually more about my need to train more effectively than my lack of Di2. The best equipment is the best equipment, no argument. But cycling is full of people who remind me of the 24-handicapper golfers I used to play with. Every year they'd buy a new set of the latest Taylomades, or Pings, or whatever, certain it would make them better golfers. They never bothered with practicing much, though...

Agreed. It was either Jack Nicholas or Arnold Palmer who said "The more I practice, the luckier I get"

Maybe the guy/gal bought Di2 because he/she thought it would make them faster. On the other hand maybe they bought it because the stuff is the absolute **** and they admire really good engineering. Dunno. Their choice. I'm sure when I'm out doing tempo or a recovery ride someone's going "I just totally dropped that old dude with the SRM and fancy bike on my fixie"

VanceMac
08-14-12, 09:42 AM
Someone post some bikes already!

lhbernhardt
08-14-12, 10:00 AM
And I'll ask...when the guy with the Colnago with Di2 and Lightweight wheels leaves you for dust, what's the internal dialogue ;)

Hey, I'm 61 and on a steel fixie. Waddya expect? The advantage of a fixie: it's always a win-win (except maybe on the fast descents). Also the advantage of being over 50 - far less pressure to perform. Besides, I'm quite used to getting dusted on the hills; climbing was my great weakness during my racing days. But when you're wearing the sprinters jersey (or riding the fixie), you've got a good excuse!

Luis

Racer Ex
08-14-12, 10:52 AM
Hey, I'm 61 and on a steel fixie. Waddya expect? The advantage of a fixie: it's always a win-win (except maybe on the fast descents). Also the advantage of being over 50 - far less pressure to perform. Besides, I'm quite used to getting dusted on the hills; climbing was my great weakness during my racing days. But when you're wearing the sprinters jersey (or riding the fixie), you've got a good excuse!

Luis

When Amber Neben beat me in a TT I defaulted to "I'm 51 and she's an Olympian" ;)

AzTallRider
08-14-12, 11:20 AM
Okay, here are my race bikes:

For road races and crit's:
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff337/megapetjarpy/Cycling/IMG_0169.jpg
I absolutely love my Madone. It's light, stiff, comfortable, fits, and handles well. I'd love to put together a pure crit bike: aero frame, Di2 with sprinter-shifters, etc.

TT (with training wheels mounted, and position has been tweaked a bit since this was taken):
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff337/megapetjarpy/Cycling/CerveloP2.jpg

I agree it's mostly the rider, and I did okay riding this in a stage race last year, but I'm not as fast on it, especially when climbing:
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff337/megapetjarpy/IMG_0037.jpg

Hermes
08-14-12, 11:23 AM
This thread is about posting equipment, sharing information and getting fast. I am deleting my irrelevant comments. If we want to debate the advantage of lenticular shaped disc wheels versus flat discs at the track and front discs versus five spoke front wheels, I am up for that. Steel fixie versus carbon fiber geared bikes on the road is 41 material at best.

chasm54
08-14-12, 11:25 AM
I agree it's mostly the rider, and I did okay riding this in a stage race last year, but I'm not as fast on it, especially when climbing:
http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff337/megapetjarpy/IMG_0037.jpg

AZT, I know you're a big guy, but you're less than 4" taller than me and that is one of the tallest headtubes I have ever seen. How freaking big is that bike?

AzTallRider
08-14-12, 11:41 AM
AZT, I know you're a big guy, but you're only 3" taller than me and that is one of the tallest headtubes I have ever seen. How freaking big is that bike?

68cm frame - 29cm HT. Hey, it was my first road bike, I was ignorant, not yet in shape, and I listened to the bike shop guys. I can't decide between selling it and giving it to my 6'7" stepson when he gets out of college (knowing him, it would be quickly stolen if I gave it to him now).

Hermes
08-14-12, 11:43 AM
Cervelo P2C Time Trial BIke with D/A components. The crank was changed to a Quarq power meter.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/2008%20Cervelo%20TT/PICT0001.jpg

Cervel R5 Road bike with SRAM Red and Quarq power meter.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/2012%20Cervelo%20R5/IMG_3389.jpg

Planet X Carbon Fiber Track bike. I keep this in a locker at VSC for racing when I go down there. I cannot find a pic against the garage door but here is one from the LAVRA team sprint with me on it. I am in the pole lane.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u250/rallen94402/2012%20LAVRA%20June%2016/IMG_3537.jpg

chasm54
08-14-12, 11:54 AM
Hermes, how are you finding the PlanetX? I am mulling over whether I should buy one of their TT bikes.

Hermes
08-14-12, 12:00 PM
The frame is okay but a little whippy for the track in the 500 meters but fine for pursuit. It is not the most aero frame.

nashcommguy
08-20-12, 11:36 PM
...

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff337/megapetjarpy/IMG_0037.jpg

I think Shaq may be looking for something to do now that his playing days are over. :p You'd need beefier tires, though.

Racer Ex
10-19-12, 12:19 PM
http://www.breathhold.com/BF/Dolan.JPG

Hermes
10-19-12, 12:22 PM
http://www.breathhold.com/BF/Dolan.JPG

I like this a lot. I thought about the Forza but at the time, Dolan did not any stock.

Allegheny Jet
10-19-12, 02:34 PM
That bike looks fast just sitting against the door. What kind of wheels are those?

shovelhd
10-19-12, 03:46 PM
Looks like Mavic in the back and HED in the front. Nice bike.

PeregrineA1
10-19-12, 04:23 PM
My race bike:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xDNodEZ3lU0/UIArp3f4yDI/AAAAAAAABJM/WWABfdk268k/s640/IMG_1706.JPG
2007 Turner 5 Spot. Continuous tuning and parts replacement since new.

This and the motor were good for 2nd overall in age group for the spring '12 CORCC season. Podium at Huck-A-Buck in Raleigh and can't remember what in years past. Next up is Swank 65 on 11-4-12.

My other race bike:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ektmFOsiPM0/UIArcnJd6LI/AAAAAAAABJE/fFti_UVNR3w/s640/IMG_1304.JPG
Good for a mid-pack finish at Boone-Roubaix this year and some fantastic second looks on the road.

I race for fun...........

AzTallRider
10-19-12, 05:03 PM
http://www.breathhold.com/BF/Dolan.JPG

Sweet... and about time!

sarals
10-19-12, 11:16 PM
Ex, that Dolan looks like it should have down force wings...;)

Cleave
10-20-12, 07:31 PM
That bike looks fast just sitting against the door. What kind of wheels are those?


Looks like Mavic in the back and HED in the front. Nice bike.

I am pretty sure they are the same wheels that I have; Zipp 900 on the back and Hed 3c on the front. I bought the Zipp 900 disc because you can use it on the road and on the track. All you have to do is make a very simple axle swap.

Racer Ex, looking forward to seeing that bike in person. I am guessing the Rotor crank is new since I thought you had some kind of Shimano-based SRM on the Fuji.

sarals
10-21-12, 12:52 PM
Here's my three loves.

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/sarals/DDF2A38B-E502-4D74-89B0-1C0E805F703D-3591-00000624E99A4CE9.jpg

My Look 566 is a 2009 iteration, XS frame. It has an Ultegra group, KeO pedals, Mavic CXP-33 on the front, Mavic OpenPro with a PowerTap hub on the rear. Tires are Continental GatorSkins, 700x25. I changed the stem to a 110mm 3T, and the saddle has been changed to a Specialized Dolce 155. It was my primary bike, but now I've relegated it to training and climbing.

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/sarals/E836404E-CEEF-4CE4-A1F7-B1764FFAAF90-3591-00000624F77AD9C7.jpg

This is my 2006 Bianchi L'una 928. The 53cm frame was purchased on eBay, and had 50 miles on it (claimed) at the time I bought it. I believe that - it is immaculate! It is set up with Campagnolo Chorus group, standard chainrings, KeO pedals, Easton EA90 Aero wheels and Continental GP4000S 700x23 tires. The handlebar is an "ergo" Ritchey Classic (silver). The saddle is a (really comfy!) Specialized Oure. It will become my race bike.

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h470/sarals/152A6355-99E8-4BC3-BC88-7143D26390F8-3591-00000624FDFCA608.jpg

Here is my 2004 Felt B2. It's a 50cm 650c bike. I bought it used, so I don't know it's history. The way it has been set up leads me to believe it was probably originally purchased as a frame set and built up. It's a mixture of Ultegra and Dura-Ace group sets, Shimano 600 brakes, a nine speed SRAM Red cassette (11t 23), SRAM Red crankset and chainrings (55/39), KeO pedals, FSA Vision handlebar, Dura-Ace bar end shifters, Zero Lite wheels, and Continental Triathlon tires. The Bontranger saddle is impossible for me to sit on for more than ten minutes - the bike is in dire need of a proper fitting and setup for me!

sarals
10-24-12, 05:32 PM
My Felt sure ain't no Dolan....

shovelhd
10-24-12, 05:45 PM
Different purpose.

Racer Ex
10-24-12, 06:24 PM
I am guessing the Rotor crank is new since I thought you had some kind of Shimano-based SRM on the Fuji.

Ayup. Haven't fully set it up yet. The Dura Ace SRM wasn't designed to be pedaled backwards so I was having offset issues. SRM had the Rotor on the shelf after a rehab.

Sara, that's a really nice stable of bikes.

sarals
10-25-12, 09:05 AM
Ayup. Haven't fully set it up yet. The Dura Ace SRM wasn't designed to be pedaled backwards so I was having offset issues. SRM had the Rotor on the shelf after a rehab.

Sara, that's a really nice stable of bikes.

Thanks! Each different.

sarals
10-25-12, 09:07 AM
Different purpose.

Oh, I know. Still, that Dolan is quite something! My old Felt, though, is still competitive. It's light, it's stiff, and it's aero enough for me.

sarals
10-26-12, 12:47 PM
I have yet to ride the Bianchi since putting the Chorus crankset on it. The gearing with the compact chainrings it had on the the FSA crankset was just too low, besides the cranks being too long for me. I hope I can get up a hill with the standard chainrings it now has on it!

merlinextraligh
10-26-12, 01:04 PM
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/bobstewart/willier3-1.jpg

shovelhd
10-26-12, 03:36 PM
Yo

sarals
10-26-12, 05:03 PM
That's a sexy bike!

Cleave
10-26-12, 09:48 PM
merlinextraligh,

Flip it. Slam it. ;) :D

Really, it's very nice! New SRAM too.

Racer Ex
11-01-12, 12:35 PM
New TT rig (because I don't have enough other stuff to keep me busy):

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-SHOGUN-Kaze-TT-Roval-front-wheel-HED-rear-disc-Great-Condition-/00/s/MTE5NVgxNjAw/$T2eC16R,!zEE9s3!(YhsBQdKZfYrr!~~60_57.JPG

ericm979
11-01-12, 01:46 PM
Those were the height of cool when I was getting into cycling back in the 80s.

I have a unused SunTour 13-19 corncob freewheel if you need it for restoration.

AzTallRider
11-01-12, 03:16 PM
Now that there is some drop.

Racer Ex
11-01-12, 03:25 PM
Those were the height of cool when I was getting into cycling back in the 80s.

I have a unused SunTour 13-19 corncob freewheel if you need it for restoration.

Thanks, I'll let you know. It came with some type of cog on the HED wheel. Just picked up this for $108:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Retro-Shimano-600-Arabesque-Road-Race-Bike-Bicycle-Component-Group-Set-G-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/$(KGrHqR,!pQFBW7(RnWPBQjEu,YGfg~~60_3.JPG

Next up is a stem and bar set up. I'd like to run this at some of the local TT's once it's together. Should be fun. Sending off some tubulars for repair today...

shovelhd
11-01-12, 06:24 PM
Steal on that 600 group.

Racer Ex
11-01-12, 07:51 PM
Steal on that 600 group.

Indeed. Neat looking stuff. Brake levers, stem, and bars up next. I'll pick the frame up tomorrow then figure out length on the stem/bar set up.

On another note started working on the Shiv. It's not a Di2 frame but I figured out a pretty slick way to set it up so everything is internal. Figured out the battery mount placement; what's interesting is that only Columbia/Highroad used Shimano/Specialized together, so I had to hunt down pics from 2011 to get some ideas.

shovelhd
11-01-12, 07:54 PM
Indeed. Neat looking stuff.

My era.

sarals
11-01-12, 09:18 PM
Now that there is some drop.

It looks like it would really hurt.

Cleave
11-02-12, 12:12 AM
Racer Ex, I have one of those in my garage about 3/4 built. Bought it at <drum roll> Sports Chalet in the mid-1980s. Last time I raced on it was around 2000. Tried selling it a couple of times with no bites. I also have clincher and tubular wheels.

Racer Ex
11-02-12, 10:45 AM
Racer Ex, I have one of those in my garage about 3/4 built. Bought it at <drum roll> Sports Chalet in the mid-1980s. Last time I raced on it was around 2000. Tried selling it a couple of times with no bites. I also have clincher and tubular wheels.

Funny bikes are selling pretty well on Ebay, especially if they are clean and together. I was surprised that this one didn't get bidded up but it was listed under "track". Some of the more exotic Italian stuff is in the $2k range.

Put yours together and we'll go do the 2 man at states ;)

dminor
12-05-12, 05:52 PM
My race weapon - - 303R DH:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t162/dminorwa/IMG_2704.jpg

Wish I could spring for the new 303 WC but will have to make this one last a couple more seasons.

Allegheny Jet
12-05-12, 08:11 PM
My race weapon - - 303R DH:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t162/dminorwa/IMG_2704.jpg

Wish I could spring for the new 303 WC but will have to make this one last a couple more seasons.

The front fork has a lot of travel!

sarals
12-05-12, 09:08 PM
Whoa...:twitchy:

dminor
12-05-12, 11:17 PM
7 inches. 8 Inches travel in the rear. Ran an inverted 8" fork last season but was a tad heavy. Put it on a diet with a right-side-up fork this year.