Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - HELP, Hunger Has Gotten Out of Control

So since I upped my "training" my appetite has been crazy lately. I am constantly hungry no matter what or how much I eat. I understand my body is taking on a larger load and needs to repair itself. Its just going against one of my goals to slowly get out of Clydesdale status.

The hunger has me eating some bad bad stuff, and even that doesnt fill the need either. I try to eat good but the appetite, humidity and bad habits are like a a one two punch followed by a right hook.

Funny how when its really hot out i USED to eat less, not this year. And when its this humid we wont cook in the house, that leads to evil decisions on take out food.

Any ideas or tips?

Drink a lot of water. Don't have "bad stuff" in the house. Lay in a store of carrots and celery and eat them, raw. If they bore you, have an apple or a pear. At mealtimes, eat salads and green vegetables on an industrial scale. Chew gum.

cycle to the take out place?

Eat more of the good stuff and less of the sugary, high carb stuff.

Try to find some healthy alternatives to the bad stuff you're eating.
Me for example, I know I have to eat more fruits instead of cookies
or pastries. But some fruits I buy in the stores make my lips/mouth
itchy and/or numb; apples, plums, peaches, etc. But while I was
staying in China, I came across some fresh lychee fruit. They were
sweet and at a $1 a pound, were cheap. Same thing with veggies,
there are hundreds of vegetables you can try and see which ones
you like.

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BTW;

i am not addicted to the sweets and sugars. Its the full on sandwiches, meat, potatoes, bread, and pasta. plus the fast food. I always have eaten a lot of veggies, i love vegies but once I am done with the veggies I am still hungry.

I may have to STOP cycling to loose weight!!!

How's your lean protein intake? Adding in more lean protein or even smoothies made from milk/powder protein/almond butter can help for the cravings between meals.

CJ C - if it were easy there wouldn't be so many of us on this forum.

Keep up the good fight!

Best ways to solve hunger issues is to:

#1- Increase protein intake.
#2- Increase fiber intake (fruits, veggies)
#3- Limit carbs to fruits, veggies and whole grains.
#4- Make sure your getting enough fat or use olive oil on your salads and cook with it.

And when its this humid we wont cook in the house, that leads to evil decisions on take out food.

Any ideas or tips?

Yes. Make better decisions. You live in, what, the third largest city in the United States? I find it hard to believe that not cooking inside leaves you with only unhealthy takeout options. I have an antique range. Even the burners can warm the first floor of my small row house (which already gets hot from full southern exposure) in a short time. That doesn't lead me to evil decisions on take out when I don't want to cook inside. I will go somewhere like WF and get prerared chicken breasts and add them to salad greens and other vegetables, which require no cooking. And what about cooking outside? Grill some fish and vegetable kabobs, for instance. Sockeye salmon is available now. Wild, tasty, filling and good for you.

Best ways to solve hunger issues is to:

#1- Increase protein intake.
#2- Increase fiber intake (fruits, veggies)
#3- Limit carbs to fruits, veggies and whole grains.
#4- Make sure your getting enough fat or use olive oil on your salads and cook with it.

Yep.

protein intake is about ~ .5 per pound of body weight. When i lifted i upped that to 1 to 1.

Just look at this morning so far and i am still hungry and its only 10:30;

Right after my ride 6:30-Glass of milk
6:45 two scrambled eggs
7:30 - banana
8:00 - Bagel & cream cheese
8:30 - organic yogurt
9:00 - apple
9:40 - Vending machine Famous Amous cookies
10:30 - still starving (craving a Italian beef sangwich w/ hot pepers and fries)

what i have waiting for me at lunch is 1.25 grilled chicken breasts with mozzarella with about 2 cups of mixed veggies and beans, and for a snack 1 cup of baby carrots. what will happen 1 hour after i eat i will be starving again and run to the vending machine for pretzels or chips. and still be hungry

tonight i am cooking a steak with broccoli and slice of sourdough bread w/ olive oil. what will happen an hour after that is I will probably eat my kids perdue chicken nuggets and make a ham sandwich too.

BTW this is not my typical food intake this is just what i am eating because i am starving all the time now

Regular breakfast would be a glass of milk two eggs and a yogurt (sometimes replace the yogurt with a banana)

CJ C - if it were easy there wouldn't be so many of us on this forum.

100% true.




Yes. Make better decisions.

Yes i know better decisions, if it was that easy i wouldnt be in the clyde forum and would have this thread. I have been making good decisions but the increased hunger has been killing this. It is more about after i make all the good decisions my body is still knocking on the door for something else.


You live in, what, the third largest city in the United States? I find it hard to believe that not cooking inside leaves you with only unhealthy takeout options.

its not the options its the so many options plus the hunger and the fact i just ate a salad with chicken says hmmm that fried ravioli on your menu sounds good, and oh free bread thank you.

BTW;

i am not addicted to the sweets and sugars. Its the full on sandwiches, meat, potatoes, bread, and pasta. plus the fast food. I always have eaten a lot of veggies, i love vegies but once I am done with the veggies I am still hungry.

I may have to STOP cycling to loose weight!!!

Fast food has a lot of hidden sugar. Most french fries from fast food joints even have a light sugar coating, that turns to caramel coloring in the deep fryer. Most canned foods, and breads, from the grocery store have sugar pretty high up in the ingredients list.

For me, drinking lots and lots of water consistently and constantly works. Also... a big appetite fighter for many I know is tea. I just started drinking some tea and now i've even moved up to some quality tea from teavanna. Also, try to stay busy! I usually get hungry at night so I try to clean or work on my bike, clean around the house, and as a last resort- play some modern warfare or NBA2k12 (video games =) ).

protein intake is about ~ .5 per pound of body weight. When i lifted i upped that to 1 to 1.

Just look at this morning so far and i am still hungry and its only 10:30;

Right after my ride 6:30-Glass of milk
6:45 two scrambled eggs
7:30 - banana
8:00 - Bagel & cream cheese
8:30 - organic yogurt
9:00 - apple
9:40 - Vending machine Famous Amous cookies
10:30 - still starving (craving a Italian beef sangwich w/ hot pepers and fries)



Needs more protein, and dare I say, fats and less carbs and sugars.

Constant cravings are often a result of a diet that is too high in carbs and sugar because of the swings in blood sugar this causes.

Fast food has a lot of hidden sugar. Most french fries from fast food joints even have a light sugar coating, that turns to caramel coloring in the deep fryer. Most canned foods, and breads, from the grocery store have sugar pretty high up in the ingredients list.

Just to be clear, when losing weight, it matters little the type of the food just the calories. You can lose weight eating just twinkies but it's not optimal for maintaining muscle mass and getting you vitamins and minerals. It's not reasonable to say someone can never eat out if they want to lose weight, the key is planning for it and limiting the frequencey.

protein intake is about ~ .5 per pound of body weight. When i lifted i upped that to 1 to 1.

Just look at this morning so far and i am still hungry and its only 10:30;

Right after my ride 6:30-Glass of milk
6:45 two scrambled eggs
7:30 - banana
8:00 - Bagel & cream cheese
8:30 - organic yogurt
9:00 - apple
9:40 - Vending machine Famous Amous cookies
10:30 - still starving (craving a Italian beef sangwich w/ hot pepers and fries)

what i have waiting for me at lunch is 1.25 grilled chicken breasts with mozzarella with about 2 cups of mixed veggies and beans, and for a snack 1 cup of baby carrots. what will happen 1 hour after i eat i will be starving again and run to the vending machine for pretzels or chips. and still be hungry

tonight i am cooking a steak with broccoli and slice of sourdough bread w/ olive oil. what will happen an hour after that is I will probably eat my kids perdue chicken nuggets and make a ham sandwich too.

Tha's a lot of carbs, not much fat, not much protein, not much fiber.

I always enjoy a protein bar or two in the morning (pure protein makes good ones and they're cheap). That way I get 40g of protein right away in the morning and it really helps so that I don't get hungry before lunch. Sometimes if I ride in the morning I'll eat 2 bars and a packet of nuts (~540 calories) and that will hold me over until lunch time and gives me 45g of protein. It also gives you enough carbs that you don't bonk during the day and the nuts give you some good natural fats which also help with hunger.

Keep in mind that if you don't get enough fat your body cannot produce proper amounts of hormones like testosterone. Longterm low fat diets will reduce your testosterone levels quite a bit, particularly if you cycle a lot or lift weights.

add a chicken cutlet to every meal. seriously.
eat your eggs and bagel 1 hr before your ride and a banana or small box of raisins immediately before the ride
then a scoop of protein powder with fruit juice immediately after the ride
your afternoon snacks should be chicken cutlets, nibble on 1/2 then a little later eat the other half
no pretzels cookies donuts bananas or other fruit
yogurt is OK

hang in there, don't give up, you'll fine tune it eventually

100% true.

Yes i know better decisions, if it was that easy i wouldnt be in the clyde forum and would have this thread. I have been making good decisions but the increased hunger has been killing this. It is more about after i make all the good decisions my body is still knocking on the door for something else.


its not the options its the so many options plus the hunger and the fact i just ate a salad with chicken says hmmm that fried ravioli on your menu sounds good, and oh free bread thank you.

I think you should focus on changing your approach to the part highlighted above. I cheese steak always sounds good every day of the week. I choose not to eat like that with any degree of regularity. I did when I was fat.

protein intake is about ~ .5 per pound of body weight. When i lifted i upped that to 1 to 1.

Just look at this morning so far and i am still hungry and its only 10:30;

Right after my ride 6:30-Glass of milk
6:45 two scrambled eggs
7:30 - banana
8:00 - Bagel & cream cheese
8:30 - organic yogurt
9:00 - apple
9:40 - Vending machine Famous Amous cookies
10:30 - still starving (craving a Italian beef sangwich w/ hot pepers and fries)

what i have waiting for me at lunch is 1.25 grilled chicken breasts with mozzarella with about 2 cups of mixed veggies and beans, and for a snack 1 cup of baby carrots. what will happen 1 hour after i eat i will be starving again and run to the vending machine for pretzels or chips. and still be hungry

tonight i am cooking a steak with broccoli and slice of sourdough bread w/ olive oil. what will happen an hour after that is I will probably eat my kids perdue chicken nuggets and make a ham sandwich too.

BTW this is not my typical food intake this is just what i am eating because i am starving all the time now

Regular breakfast would be a glass of milk two eggs and a yogurt (sometimes replace the yogurt with a banana)

I've been doing pretty good, not a lot of extra hunger, even with the riding. People have said it, but I'll help compound it a little. There are a ton of carbs in what you're eating. Also, you don't list what you're drinking other than the glass of milk.

I've read from many sources that thirst is often mistaken for hunger. Make sure you're drinking enough that your urine is mostly clear/light yellow. If you're not peeing fairly often, you may not be getting enough water.

I'll usually start the day with a glass or two of water and yogurt. If I have time, two eggs (sometimes I add an egg white in there too to bulk it up) and two slices of bacon.
Lunch is usually some kind of lean meat, a vegetable, more water.
Snack is yogurt.
Dinner is the same as lunch.
After dinner - another yogurt.

Studies have shown that those eating 18 ounces of yogurt a day lose more weight than those only eating 6 ounces. Also, the weight is heavily lost in the belly area. (http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/recipes/healthy-eating/nutrition/health-benefits-of-yogurt/) Not the Yoplait yogurts either. Chobani, or something like it. Lots of probiotics, calcium, protein, and less sugar.

Any snacks along the way are berries and fruit. I really love berries. #1 on this list: (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/best-and-worst-fruits/#axzz22E70raid) So many berries are considered super-foods. I haven't seen a single thing to help hunger in our vending machines.

I won't say that I am doing a "no carb" thing, but I'm definitely avoiding superfluous carbs. I don't eat anything that is all carbs unless I think I need carbs for a ride. Pretty much anything that qualifies as a Sub, Grinder, Hoagie, whatever is off limits. Just SO much bread. I will eat a sandwich, but I cut out a lot of the bread. I'll snack on peanut butter (or sunflower butter which is great too) with some quality preserves on a piece of whole grain bread folded over.

I would limit these things to 1/2 or 1/4 portion and only eat them in combination with proteins and fats:
Bread
Potato
Pasta
Starchy vegetables and fruits like banana "They have a glycemic index of 56, not that far below the index of pure sugar (64)."

NO soda of any kind. Diet soda is especially bad for driving hunger. That artificial sweeteners wreak havoc with your hunger sensors.

Iced tea - unsweetened, black coffee, and water -maybe with some lemon. Iced tea and coffee are limited because they are diuretics. I'll have 8 ounces of lowfat chocolate milk after a ride.

Using an app/web site like "My Fitness Pal" is great because you track more than just calories. You can see fat/protein/carbs/vitamins/sodium and other things. There have been times where I've been high on some thing like sodium so I knew to cool it the rest of the day with salt. I've also seen myself low on vitamin c or vitamin a and so I ate something to balance that out. It's not a perfect balance, but it helps to decide what to eat next. Using the app is easy. There is a huge database of foods and a lot of times you can just scan the UPC with your smart phone and it will pull the product up. Unless I'm sure of the content of a food, I'll look it up before I eat it to see how it fits in my day.

I've been really happily surprised that keeping everything in balance and staying well hydrated has really kept me from being all that hungry. Usually when I start feeling hungry I notice that it's time for lunch or dinner. It used to happen well before actual meal times.

It's hard to do. I took things in stages. First, no pop. After a couple of weeks, no potatoes. Another two weeks, cut way back on bread. Another two weeks, no more sugar or cream in my coffee. Taking things one at a time really made it much easier when I was ready to really start working hard at it.

Also, check this out, many of the things you listed show up here: http://life.dailyburn.com/diet-and-nutrition/foods-that-make-you-hungry-vs-foods-that-make-you-full/

Sorry, I just started rambling...

In short, give this a shot it worked for me: Avoid foods that make you hungry and use My Fitness Pal. Keep track of what you're eating. Try to keep it all balanced. I've done that and I find that I'm only hungry when I actually need food.

I would also add that in the beginning, when you just start losing weight, you have to remember that your body is going to fight the change. The body is programed to not want to lose weight, as a matter of survival programing. Yes, you may be very obese, but the body will the decreased intake of food as potential starvation. It assumes that if you are eating less it's because there is less food availible. To ensure survival it will make you feel hungry, sometimes even when you are still in a calorie surplus.

After a few weeks this should be less of a problem.

I would also add that in the beginning, when you just start losing weight, you have to remember that your body is going to fight the change. The body is programed to not want to lose weight, as a matter of survival programing. Yes, you may be very obese, but the body will the decreased intake of food as potential starvation. It assumes that if you are eating less it's because there is less food availible. To ensure survival it will make you feel hungry, sometimes even when you are still in a calorie surplus.

After a few weeks this should be less of a problem.

This was written to be funny, but I take #4 on this list to heart.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18611_the-10-most-important-things-they-didnt-teach-you-in-school_p2.html

An excerpt:

Students, imagine that in front of you is a castle. That's where you want to be. But surrounding that castle is a moat, full of piranha. The only way to get into Sexy Abs Castle is to swim across the moat and let the little fish painfully chew off hunks of fat. The real situation is exactly like that, only the swim will take years.

Sexy Abs Castle is also heavily guarded.

Your body will get really mad at you when you try to lose weight, because it thinks you're starving to death. You have to go into any weight loss plan knowing that you will suffer, and just have to man up in preparation for it. Otherwise, just live with it. Being fat isn't the end of the goddamned world.

What's everyones opinion on Chicken Sausage?

I recently discovered this and I love the taste of it. Perhaps a bit saltier than is optimal, but I can't see anything really wrong with it.

And another thing!

This may or may not apply to you, it's just something I heard a guy say in the bike club the other day that I thought people might appreciate.


Watching war films, it's always the first row of guys running into battle that get mowed down. In my generation, that first row is full of overweight and unhealthy people - they'll be the first row to go down. When I want to eat at 10pm, I think, "The only thing I need to do in order to move back a few rows is to not eat right now." When I think that, I figure it's not so hard to survive the battle.

Right after my ride 6:30-Glass of milk
6:45 two scrambled eggs
7:30 - banana
8:00 - Bagel & cream cheese
8:30 - organic yogurt
9:00 - apple
9:40 - Vending machine Famous Amous cookies
10:30 - still starving (craving a Italian beef sangwich w/ hot pepers and fries)

Let me re-state what you're eating:

6:30 - Simple carbs, small amount of protein
6:45 - Protein
7:30 - Carbs, small amount of fiber
8:00 - LARGE amount of carbs, minimal fiber and protein
8:30 - More simple carbs, small amount of protein
9:00 - Carbs, decent fiber
9:40 - Simple carbs

As you can see, most of what you've eaten today is carbohydrates. In my experience, proteins and fat help to curb hunger while carbohydrates don't. If anything, simple carbohydrates tend to exacerbate hunger, at least for me. Foods which contain complex carbohydrates and fiber may also help curb hunger. Your apple probably qualifies, but not much else that you've eaten today.


what i have waiting for me at lunch is 1.25 grilled chicken breasts with mozzarella with about 2 cups of mixed veggies and beans, and for a snack 1 cup of baby carrots. what will happen 1 hour after i eat i will be starving again and run to the vending machine for pretzels or chips. and still be hungry

Unfortunately, being hungry is part of losing weight. You don't need to feel gnaw-your-arm-off starving, but there will be some hunger. If this meal doesn't make you feel full there are a couple of things you can try:

1) Drink more. I'm not a huge fan of water, so I drink a variety of different 0-calorie beverages: diet soda, sugar-free lemonade, tea, etc.

2) Eat a salad with a low-calorie dressing or no dressing. By low-calorie I mean 10-15 calories for 2 tablespoons. You can eat a lot of lettuce and other salad veggies without adding too many calories to your daily total.

3) Stay active. If your after-meal routine consists of sitting in front of the TV or at a desk staring at paperwork/computers you'll notice hunger much more readily than if you're involved in something that actively uses your body or brain. If I'm busy doing something that requires me to focus, I'm much less likely to notice hunger!


Regular breakfast would be a glass of milk two eggs and a yogurt (sometimes replace the yogurt with a banana)

Skip the milk and the yogurt. Too many simple carbs. Add another egg or two (or perhaps egg whites, if you're worried about cholesterol). Or a piece of whole wheat toast with a piece of cheese melted on top. I usually get by with a protein bar and a cup or two of coffee...

good ol' fashion will power?

one day, two days and the want to eat will go. Surely u can last one or two days?

Look into volumetrics. The idea is that you eat foods that aren't energy dense - so you get a large volume of food for a given amount of calories. Like how melons are one of the best fruits to eat, etc. If you really want volume then the idea is to get it with the least calories. It works pretty well.

thank you all for all the tips and help, I have a lot of ammo now to tackle this.

BTW, I think I need to clarify a few things;
What I ate today is NOT what I usually eat, its what I ate because I am starving all the time now. There has been no change to the "diet" as what I would eat before totally satisfied me. It with the extra "training" I have become a hungry monster and cravings are very intense for very bad things.

I used to have exactly the same problem. And I also ate a LOT of carbs. Since I went low carb 7 years ago, the hunger cravings have stopped. A few months ago, I went from 150 to 200 carbs a day to 50 to 80 carbs a day. I've replaced carbs with fat, and as a result, I'm losing more weight again, and don't get hungry to boot.

You might want to do some research into the low carb approach. I've tried everything under the sun over the past 45 years, and this is the only thing that has ever worked for me.

Anybody that still says that they're hungry after eating, I would challenge them to eat another steak, or another chicken breast, etc.

Likely not the right person to give advice and my advice may not be what you want to hear. I have always struggled with my weight, been as high as 310 low as 197 as an adult, was back up to 250 start of the year down to 207 back up to 220 now at 209 and dropping. I am always hungry, it doesn't matter how much I eat or drink water. I don't think I've ever felt truely satisfied, I can be stuffed one minute then smell something and be starving all over again. What I find that takes the edge off but still hungry is drink water non stop, graze all day long on veggies and fruit, have protien with breakfast, lunch and supper. I have to totally avoid alcohol or I binge eat. The biggest thing however is when I'm real hungry I think of that hunger as speed on the bike, this seems to really help, especially if I have a big ride in mind. I think you may be like me and just always want to eat, I asked my doctor once the best way to loose weight and he kept it real simple, put the fork down and push the plate away, after a laugh he said seriously eat less, drink lots of water and move more pretty simple but nothing keeps the hunger away. Sorry it just sucks.

i am not addicted to the sweets and sugars. Its the full on sandwiches, meat, potatoes, bread, and pasta. plus the fast food.

I suggest that the carbs convert to sugar, and you are addicted to sugar - coming from the carbs.

I cut out all carbs but complex carbs, and cut out breads, rice, potatoes and seriously went "caveman"- I figured if cavemen ate it, I could eat. Probably cheating, but I also figured that cavemen had dairy animals.

First two weeks were tough, real tough. At one point my belly was full of protein, I could eat no more, but I was "hungry."

I wasn't hungry, I was craving the sugar that the carbs convert to. When, I was going nuts, I would take a bowl of fruit and dump a container of yogurt on it. The yogurt and fruit had enough carbs to satisfy me.

Tough couple of weeks. However, once I made it thru the first few weeks, gets easier and easier, Feel Better, have a new lease on life. Fall off the wagon, and you get kinda sick feeling. Then you realize what you were doing to yourself, makes it easier to not want the stuff you used to love.

I'm not a clyde now, and was barely a Clyde then at around 210.


But, I will tell you that if quit eating breads, rice, starches, sweets, high carbs and eat lots of protein and don't worry about eating cheeses, fats, etc, you will feel better, and the lbs will just fall off. and it gets easier and easier

I suggest that the carbs convert to sugar, and you are addicted to sugar - coming from the carbs.

But, I will tell you that if quit eating breads, rice, starches, sweets, high carbs and eat lots of protein and don't worry about eating cheeses, fats, etc, you will feel better, and the lbs will just fall off. and it gets easier and easier

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The hunger has me eating some bad bad stuff, and even that doesnt fill the need either. I try to eat good but the appetite, humidity and bad habits are like a a one two punch followed by a right hook.
Any ideas or tips?

1.) When you are "hungry" your body isn't craving calories, it's craving nutrients. So eating crap with no nutrient value is of no value to solving your hunger issue.

2.) If you train too hard, your body stops burning stored calories and looks for fresh caloric intake, so you're not burning any stored weight. Books like, "Bicycling Science" go into a more detailed explanation on this event.

3.) Don't depend on Protein as a solution, your body will eventually convert even protein into fat if it is overwhelmed.

4.) I agree with chasm54. However, it takes time to re-train your body to crave other foods than you are probably used to eating. So, don't fall into the "bored' trap.


5.) If you need any type of supplement, including protein powder, your diet sucks, you're not eatiing properly.

Sites like whfood.com has a list of nutrient dense foods on it, start eating those foods and you'll start to find you can eat ton of food if you want and you'll feel alot better, because they're high nutrient, lower calorie.

When I had a health problem a year ago, which was due to some extent to an improper diet, and turned into a near death experience (a long story), I told myself NEVER again. I educated myself on proper nutrition and my diet has never been better. I feel great and whenever I run into someone I haven't seen in a while, I always get "Damn! You look great!"

1.) when you are "hungry" your body isn't craving calories, it's craving nutrients. So eating crap with no nutrient value is of no value to solving your hunger issue.

ive never heard this before so i can't comment on it, when you get into good quality and bad quality food the body is generally ignorant. On a purely scientific level, a calore is a calore. How ur body digests it is a different matter.

2.) if you train too hard, your body stops burning stored calories and looks for fresh caloric intake, so you're not burning any stored weight. Books like, "bicycling science" go into a more detailed explanation on this event.

it doesn't necessarily stop, just the ratio is different. I assume your talking about zones etc, many maths equations on this crap but for simple folk with an ok diet it's mostly "exercise more" that wins.

3.) don't depend on protein as a solution, your body will eventually convert even protein into fat if it is overwhelmed.

did you mean overloaded? Ofc moderation is key.


5.) if you need any type of supplement, including protein powder, your diet sucks, you're not eatiing properly.

this is an unbelievably ignorant statement. This is the bad side of the internet.



:s

When I had a health problem a year ago, which was due to some extent to an improper diet, and turned into a near death experience (a long story)


Its the internet, we dont mind a long story can read it when ever we want. I hate long stories when I am on my way to the restroom. Share as it may help other clydes.

I will disagree with you about the protein powders. When i Lifted it was a great way to get in the amount of "fast acting" protein i needed in a quick simple way without a high caloric value. The problem i saw with it is people took out the word "supplement" when using this. Now there was no way when i lifted i could Eat 2grams of protien per pound of body weight. I just didnt have the appetite or stomach size to do that. So thats where fast acting protien powder came in.

You can add it to you cereal, i baked chocolate muffins with it.

now what it may or may not have done to my colon thats another thread

Its the internet, we dont mind a long story can read it when ever we want. I hate long stories when I am on my way to the restroom. Share as it may help other clydes.

I will disagree with you about the protein powders. When i Lifted it was a great way to get in the amount of "fast acting" protein i needed in a quick simple way without a high caloric value. The problem i saw with it is people took out the word "supplement" when using this. Now there was no way when i lifted i could Eat 2grams of protien per pound of body weight. I just didnt have the appetite or stomach size to do that. So thats where fast acting protien powder came in.

You can add it to you cereal, i baked chocolate muffins with it.

now what it may or may not have done to my colon thats another thread

More recent studies show two new things to protein intake:

#1- Timing of the protein does not matter, it's more about daily intake. Taking a shake within 30 minutes of finishing a lifting workout is no longer considered valid. Just keep daily intake where it needs to be.

#2- 2g per pound of BW is now considered overkill unless you are a pro bodybuilder that's all roided up. Current info is closer 0.7-1g per pound.


Protein shakes are great for convenience, it's hard to pack that much protein in such few calories any other way. People should try to limit shakes to 1, maybe 2, per day and get the rest from lean meats, dairy and nuts. I take some form of protein supplement every day but I limit to 30-40g of protein per day via shakes. I aim for ~150g per day at 225. Most of my protein comes from greek yogurt, chicken breast, steak, lean pork, turkey and nuts.

More recent studies show two new things to protein intake

Current info is closer 0.7-1g per pound.

sorry forgot to add that i lifted seriously 8-10 years ago, so my info is a bit dated.

thank you mcrow,

so my glass of milk right after a ride doesnt really need to be right when i walk in the door? I oddly trained myself to where i actually crave it 2 miles from home now :)

My thoughts for what they are worth follow what someone else posted to above.

Millions of years of evolution have altered our bodies to suit survival. Humans are gathers and hunters and until the last speck of time in our evolutionary process we haven’t had the luxury of constant abundant food supply not to mentioned highly digestible processed foods. We have food storage way beyond what is required to suit 3 meals a day, and we have the ability to later store the unused fuel for later periods as fat. Hunger is the strong driver to seek out more food and it’s not supposed to be as easy as a drive thru or a vending machine.

I have had the opportunity to attend a lot of classes with a person preparing for and receiving a gastric weight loss procedure. There are a half a dozen methods they use, but most have the same objective and that’s making a super small pouch to replace the stomach allowing people to relieve “hunger” and some of the methods also shorten the digestive track to cause loss of absorption of calories.
In today’s world a stomach the size of a golf ball is all we need given we can eat whenever we want not just when food is available. The interesting part of this for me was how these hunger and restriction stopping measure required even more knowledge of nutrition and behavior to remain healthy. The operations in theory should do the job but many times fail at least in part due to behavior, and some I have seen that were quite successful in weight loss I don’t believe have ended up better off in general health.

I’m not a proponent of weight loss surgery nor am I against it and I’m not advocating here in any manner. What I’m offering is having watched 100’s of people learning pre surgery nutrition and seeing their reactions to learning about nutrition and exercise and then seeing what they accomplished after applying what they learned and how some really had amazing success while others didn’t. I talked to one guy that went from 400 pounds and ended up an athlete at about 150 pounds running marathons. He said the operation was only a slight tool to use and it was 90% knowledge. I didn’t know if that was true or not but about 5 years later he had some life issues that caused him to lose his desires and he found old habits and gained a lot of his weight back. I have come to the conclusion that all people are not equal at all starting out but it also requires a reason and a desire and then education. Everyone here has started at least to try and this is a great community of people with a common interest in getting healthy along with biking. The only exception I will take with any of the advice and comments I have read in this thread is the difference between Hunger and Starving, I know we use the two words interchangeably but we have all felt hunger but my guess is very few of us have felt starving.

Getting kind of long here (happy fingers I guess) but a last thought on hunger. For me I notice hunger is mostly in my mind because if I’m busy and even mentally busy I forget about food. True I can be out for a ride and drive by a house not hungry at all and smell a steak cooking on a grill and instantly hungry. Nothing changed in my digestive system in that instant but something snapped in my brain.

I no longer believe that a "calorie is a calorie is a calorie" for everyone. My own body & fat cells behave differently depending on the type of calorie eaten.

I no longer believe that a "calorie is a calorie is a calorie" for everyone. My own body & fat cells behave differently depending on the type of calorie eaten.
So your body defies the laws of thermodynamics? Awesome.

Don't be snarky. There is no need for snark.

To respond to your invocation of the first law of thermodynamics, that law assumes that energy consumption takes place in an unchanging black box, a pump, compressor, evaporator, with a defined system curve. My point is that my body adapts and processes calories differently depending on what mix of fuel I eat and what sort of exercise I do.

Other people here have the same belief. We read about how our bodies "shut down" on a overly restrictive diet, changing

I am still working on figuring out the correct mix for weight loss and weight maintenance. My experience with food diaries in the past is that the hacker's diet equation of weight loss = calories expended-calories consumed simply doesn't hold.

Other people here have the same belief. We read about how our bodies "shut down" on a overly restrictive diet, for example.

Don't be snarky. There is no need for snark.

To respond to your invocation of the first law of thermodynamics, that law assumes that energy consumption takes place in an unchanging black box, a pump, compressor, evaporator, with a defined system curve. My point is that my body adapts and processes calories differently depending on what mix of fuel I eat and what sort of exercise I do.

Other people here have the same belief. We read about how our bodies "shut down" on a overly restrictive diet, changing

I am still working on figuring out the correct mix for weight loss and weight maintenance. My experience with food diaries in the past is that the hacker's diet equation of weight loss = calories expended-calories consumed simply doesn't hold.

Other people here have the same belief. We read about how our bodies "shut down" on a overly restrictive diet, for example.

Starvation mode is a myth, unless you are actually starving. Your metabolism only slows down because you lost weight and require fewer calories to maintain weight.

Brando, What i believe mcrow is saying is that a calorie is processed exactly the same way regardless, and their is truth in that i believe. My understanding is that to an extent the calorie is consumed and "spent" the same way.

The "mythical" starvation mode (which isnt actually a myth but more of a misunderstanding. I believe 'Starvation mode' occurs far past the realm of a normal/sub-par diet. I believe the children we see on tv in the aid adverts are either in or very close to 'starvation mode'. You are probably...not) is more than likely an exaggeration of other issues, the calorie in-itself is spent the same way but the rate i suspect is different hence different metabolisms. Now ofcourse when you change your diet you change your body and it will react differently depending on what effect your food has had on your metabolism but the calorie itself remains the same.

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Hey it's your funeral. You need protein. You should never need supplements if you eat properly. THAT's the myth created by the internet.

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Unfortunately for you, my information regarding protein and supplements isn't from the internet. It came straight from one of the most widely respected nutritionist in the business.

90% of the people I meet don't know the difference between micronutrients, macronutrients, or phytochemicals.

So they listen to people who recommend nothing but fat, protein, and carbs.





http://www.passionatevegetarian.com/protein_.htm

In the end, I don't give a ****, it's your life, continue to kill yourself by pounding down that endless and unncessary protein supplement.

1.) When you are "hungry" your body isn't craving calories, it's craving nutrients. So eating crap with no nutrient value is of no value to solving your hunger issue.
This is only one reason why you get hungry, there are many reasons.


2.) If you train too hard, your body stops burning stored calories and looks for fresh caloric intake, so you're not burning any stored weight. Books like, "Bicycling Science" go into a more detailed explanation on this event.
This isn't true. Your body will burn calories regardless of the situation, it's the only way you could keep moving. The main source of energy during activity is glucose in the blood. However, your body will burn any other nutrient in the blood in the absence of glucose such as fat and protein. Glucose is the preferred source of energy because it converts most efficiently. In an absence of glucose it will convert more protein and fat in the blood stream to energy. Though at any given time the body will burn a combination of the three macros, mostly what is in the blood. Studies show that a level of exertion equal to about half a marathon run will deplete glycogen (glucose in the muscle, liver, and blood) and somewhere around that time is when an athlete is most likely to bonk and why a sudden infusion of glucose will dramatically increase performance at that time. This does not mean it doesn't burn calories at that time, in fact you are likely burning a lot more fat calories at that time than you would normally.

My point here is that your body never stops burning calories, it has to burn calories for your heart to beat, to break, to move talk....ect. When you eat too few calories you just deplete glycogen stores easier and that results in burning more protein and fat in the blood (and in the tissue as well) during that time. This is why you see someone who goes on an extreme diet and sure they lose a lot of weight but they lost a lot of muscle mass as well.


3.) Don't depend on Protein as a solution, your body will eventually convert even protein into fat if it is overwhelmed.

This is only true at extreme levels, probably more than 3g per pound of body weight and that's dependent on the person's muscle mass relative to weight.


4.) I agree with chasm54. However, it takes time to re-train your body to crave other foods than you are probably used to eating. So, don't fall into the "bored' trap.
I agree with this.



5.) If you need any type of supplement, including protein powder, your diet sucks, you're not eatiing properly.

This isn't true. It's perfectly find to use a protein powder to make sure you get enough protein, so long as it isn't a big part of your intake. By your logic if I take a vitamin my diet must suck.

Hey it's your funeral. You need protein. You should never need supplements if you eat properly. THAT's the myth created by the internet.

anyone that thinks they need a supplement doesn't understand the definition of the word. That's hardly a myth?


Unfortunately for you, my information regarding protein and supplements isn't from the internet. It came straight from one of the most widely respected nutritionist in the business

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In the end, I don't give a ****, it's your life, continue to kill yourself by pounding down that endless and unncessary protein supplement.

hahaha calm down there son, getting a bit testy! ya might have an aneurysm and then all that protein-avoidmentation-technique you've been employing will be for nought!

BTW, Unfortunately for you im actually Bradley Wiggins training partner and yah his personal trainer told me that protein is cool! and that if i eat loads and loads of it i will be as fast as cavendish! SO NURRR!

Salad,salad,salad,salad,salad and more sald with a lot of water.

Obviously some of you like debate, judging from you time on the board and your current post count.

all I have to say on this subject (as well as some other threads currently going on) is there is more plain dead wrong info posted here as truth than in our current presidential election commercial blitz.