"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Gran Fondo Folly

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/in-search-of-relevance-a-cat-3-turns-to-epo-and-hgh_232611

Yup...Not surprising he fell down the deep hole...After-all most of us have an addiction disorder to some degree...Why else would we do this to our bodies....

**** him

Yup...Not surprising he fell down the deep hole...After-all most of us have an addiction disorder to some degree...Why else would we do this to our bodies....

honestly, it is a bit surprising...and perplexing. That a 40+ yr old (like plenty of others) would dope, especially for such little return. I can understand (not condone)why some younger 'up and coming' might be tempted when they feel like a would-be career could be on the line. But a club level newbie? What a ****in tool.

Not saying I agree with it, but I can understand it...

Why do people get hooked on cocaine, meth, alcohol or any other thing...

It happens...

Tool I will agree but an interesting read.
I agree with Hammy so little in returns, I don't get it.
My wife is getting ready for the State Figure Competition and looks un-frickin believable. She was posing at the gym the other night with her coach in front of some of the other bodybuilders and of course they asked her what cycle she was on. Her answer was simple, nothing, I have never doped and never will, what's the point. Almost everyone that she will be competing against will be dopers and she will win clean.
My point is that the doping exist not only in cycling but almost every other sport where there is competition,

As a 40 something newb all I can say is ... F that dude.

Didn't we beat this horse to death last week ?

Didn't we beat this horse to death last week ?

Yeah but it's a boring day, might as well start again.
Plus look who started it! What else can you expect :roflmao2:

Tool I will agree but an interesting read.
I agree with Hammy so little in returns, I don't get it.
My wife is getting ready for the State Figure Competition and looks un-frickin believable. She was posing at the gym the other night with her coach in front of some of the other bodybuilders and of course they asked her what cycle she was on. Her answer was simple, nothing, I have never doped and never will, what's the point. Almost everyone that she will be competing against will be dopers and she will win clean.
My point is that the cheating exist not only in cycling but almost every other human activity where there is competition,

fixed. People cheat at no-stakes card games, bar pool ... etc etc etc .....

fixed. People cheat at no-stakes card games, bar pool ... etc etc etc .....
Debbie Downer...

Didn't we beat this horse to death last week ?

newer more detailed article.

Tool I will agree but an interesting read.
I agree with Hammy so little in returns, I don't get it.
My wife is getting ready for the State Figure Competition and looks un-frickin believable. She was posing at the gym the other night with her coach in front of some of the other bodybuilders and of course they asked her what cycle she was on. Her answer was simple, nothing, I have never doped and never will, what's the point. Almost everyone that she will be competing against will be dopers and she will win clean.
My point is that the doping exist not only in cycling but almost every other sport where there is competition,

Cummon, imagine how good she would look if she just did this HGH. Really, it's natural, and you can get a doctor's presecription for it. You'll never get caught because there is no reliable test. Really, this is the stuff they give to kids who aren't growing, how could they do that if it weren't safe. Cummon, you'll be so ripped afterwards....

Often what comes next is an injuy. Torn muscle or something and the lingering thought of the drugs comes back, but just as a way to get back into peak form, and then....

I never completely "got it" either, I had my chances and declined, but I can certainly imagine how someone else could end up there.

Didn't we beat this horse to death last week ?

did we? I dont recall the previous article where the guy was bumping his gums...

Cummon, imagine how good she would look if she just did this HGH. Really, it's natural, and you can get a doctor's presecription for it. You'll never get caught because there is no reliable test. Really, this is the stuff they give to kids who aren't growing, how could they do that if it weren't safe. Cummon, you'll be so ripped afterwards....

Often what comes next is an injuy. Torn muscle or something and the lingering thought of the drugs comes back, but just as a way to get back into peak form, and then....

I never completely "got it" either, I had my chances and declined, but I can certainly imagine how someone else could end up there.

April 30th, 2009 my wife was almost killed in a motorcycle wreck. Broke her back, her femur, had several surgeries and got a severe head injury. She spent a month in the hospital was released in a wheelchair then progressed to a walker, cane and then nothing. She will be competing with scarring all down one side of her leg. These facts alone show the triumph of the human spirit. She will earn her pro card not only after all these injuries BUT ALSO at the age of 40 after having two children.
Hence the reason I am so anti-PED - if I were to see my wife lose to a doper given all that she has been through I might lose my mind...

you have, at best, a tenuous hold on reality so losing your mind seems more a matter of when than if.

g beat me to it.

EDIT- rkwaki has at least one disorder that we're sure of:


http://www.diet-blog.com/10/fatorexia_overweight_people_who_deny_they_are_fat.php

You know you love me...

you have, at best, a tenuous hold on reality

There is no reality.

And, apparently, very little perspective in both the fellow in question, and those who react like he was handing Sandusky the soap.

I'm curious how much was the dope and how much was him. He lost about 20 lbs. He was new to serious riding. In the first few years of serious training you improve a lot. I'm not trying to say that the dope didn't do anything for him, but it wasn't responsible for all of his improvement either.

Without setting up a proper test with a decent sample size there's no way to know.

Who here thinks that an altitude tent is the gateway drug to EPO?

That and the limp weiner disorder...

Who here thinks that an altitude tent is the gateway drug to EPO?

I go to altitude and I want to shoot heroin. I can see this...

Interesting read. There's a disconnect in there somewhere, in the moral part of things.

I don't know him personally nor do I remember him in races I've done but I can't help but think that he could have been a decent racer even without the drugs. It seems like (but I can't confirm) that he did well only when it came to fitness stuff. This implies he wasn't comfortable with being in the pack, dealing with all the shenanigans that go on in the last lap or three of a crit. To win a Cat 5 Battenkill is maybe not world shattering but it can't be easy. He had some kind of engine in there somewhere, just not the patience to develop it naturally.

There is no reality.

And, apparently, very little perspective in both the fellow in question, and those who react like he was handing Sandusky the soap.

dunno. I reserve the right to think that David Anthony is a ****tard without diminishing the severity of acts against children.

dunno. I reserve the right to think that David Anthony is a ****tard without diminishing the severity of acts against children.

No directed at you specifically. But the tone of some of the Velonews posts and here have been of the same ilk as Sandusky. Rot in hell. That sort of thing.

I have a small bucket of outrage left so I guess I like to throw it on people that do actual evil. Quick, name three guys that got caught for doping. Now name Countrywide's CEO.

I think at the masters level there is a lot more doping going on than people are aware of. So many 'anti-aging' clinics along with 'Low-T' creams and stuff out there. I don't think it's hard for someone to get a prescription for any of these types of things, and many of these people have the disposable income to pay for them. I think anyone caught doing this stuff should be banned for life, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of testing.

I should add that overall, I think the majority of racers are clean. I don't get beaten at a race and assume someone is doping.

context...I think Anthony is- to quote gstein- "a ****tard" who made stupid decisions and shouldnt be allowed to race again. Sandusky is an evil pedophile who should have his head removed with a dull spoon. And **** Joe Paterno and the rest of those ****s too.

Who here thinks that a set of $3k carbon wheels is the gateway drug to EPO?

fify?

No, I'm not suggesting they are morally equivalent.

I _am_ suggesting that they are points on a continuum. One is "ok" the other is "over the line"

The line is drawn by us, the participants. It's been known to move a bit now and then.

The urge to get next to it and kind of lean against it, is part of human nature.

Ever watch a cx race and see riders "stretch the tape" to get a better line in turns?

Actually a pretty good quote, so true. This is why people go to these lengths to be better:

"And I think that cycling is different. Somehow, it’s different than everything else. It rewards the obsessive, compulsive nature."

Ok so through online research you learn that there is a drug you can give your kids that will increase their IQ and test scores. Would you give it to them?

While all the hate for dopers?
I just broke down and tried some placebo EPO last week.
Man, that stuff works WONDERS!!!:thumb:

Ok so through online research you learn that there is a drug you can give your kids that will increase their IQ and test scores. Would you give it to them?

that Genie has already been out of the bottle for several years, mon frere:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/weekinreview/09carey.html?pagewanted=all

Ok so through online research you learn that there is a drug you can give your kids that will increase their IQ and test scores. Would you give it to them?

Did you tape that "Kick Me!" sign on your back? Because my leg is totally twitching right now....

context...I think Anthony is- to quote gstein- "a ****tard" who made stupid decisions and shouldnt be allowed to race again. Sandusky is an evil pedophile who should have his head removed with a dull spoon. And **** Joe Paterno and the rest of those ****s too.
+1

No directed at you specifically. But the tone of some of the Velonews posts and here have been of the same ilk as Sandusky. Rot in hell. That sort of thing.

I have a small bucket of outrage left so I guess I like to throw it on people that do actual evil. Quick, name three guys that got caught for doping. Now name Countrywide's CEO.
Ken Lay, Jeff Skillings, Jaime Diamond?

you do make a good point


Who here thinks that an altitude tent is the gateway drug to EPO?
note the team of the rider from whom he purchased that tent. Jelly Bellies, my guess is that i probably bought it from Jonathan "the chaud" Chodroff

Did you tape that "Kick Me!" sign on your back? Because my leg is totally twitching right now....

Ahhh I'm just being a dick...
Go ahead, lay the boots to me.
Couldn't get any worse, my boss has been beating me like a red headed stepchild all week...

Ahhh I'm just being a dick...
Go ahead, lay the boots to me.
Couldn't get any worse, my boss has been beating me like a red headed stepchild all week...

I was only refraining from a satirical take on your kid's poor choice of DNA sourcing and need for chemical enhancement out of respect for the serious societal harm done by doping in a Gran Fondo, and the many victims whose lives were changed as a result.

I think my self restraint should be rewarded. I'm going to head on over to the 5 cents thread...do you have a saddle preference?

I was only refraining from a satirical take on your kid's poor choice of DNA sourcing and need for chemical enhancement out of respect for the serious societal harm done by doping in a Gran Fondo.

I think my self restraint should be rewarded. I'm going to head on over to the 5 cents thread...do you have a saddle preference?

I was going to make the genetic reference but thought that was a given from 'said' poster...

BTW as a reward I'd give you a cookie but I ate it...

"Then, Anthony upgraded to a Cat. 3.

“I was getting shelled as a three. I wasn’t getting any results,” he said. “And that’s when I started to look into the real stuff. The EPO.” "

i just found this quote comical

This was making the rounds on the local email list. Read it at work. Sad. I have an analytical mind and cycling can definitely consume you (or whatever you're into at the moment). I'm not sure how you make the jump to doping though.

Why must masters dope so much??

Why must masters dope so much??

Cause they old and want to still feel like their 21.

WTF am I reading?


"This is a story about a cheater. A man who loved to race his bike but slowly came to feel nothing at all on the bike, even when he won. This is the story of David Anthony."
THEN STOP RIDING THE DAMN BIKE! ...



"The sport that pulled him in spit him out. He can’t ride, and if he could, he couldn’t race. Asked if he wished he had never raced a bike, Anthony said the jury was still out." He got spit out by disrespecting snob of the sport. Further, why would the jury be "OUT" on his regreat on racing... He should be regreting DOPING.

Am I the only one that is seeing alot of sympathy in the words used here from Velo? Almost feels like they are trying to make a justification.

Tool I will agree but an interesting read.
I agree with Hammy so little in returns, I don't get it.
My wife is getting ready for the State Figure Competition and looks un-frickin believable. She was posing at the gym the other night with her coach in front of some of the other bodybuilders and of course they asked her what cycle she was on. Her answer was simple, nothing, I have never doped and never will, what's the point. Almost everyone that she will be competing against will be dopers and she will win clean.
My point is that the doping exist not only in cycling but almost every other sport where there is competition,

Bodybuilding isn't a sport.

This was making the rounds on the local email list. Read it at work. Sad. I have an analytical mind and cycling can definitely consume you (or whatever you're into at the moment). I'm not sure how you make the jump to doping though.
For whatever reason, the guy was completely hooked on cycling and doing well in races. He was maxing out his potential improvements via training, and moving into more competitive events. He knew that doping would improve his performance, and he had never been tested. His teammates may or may not have noticed; either way, they said nothing.

Low risk, big performance upside.

He was maxing out his potential improvements via training, and moving into more competitive events.

Dunno about that... maybe he wasn't doing the right kind of training, or not enough of it.

Also, I want to know if he got the EPO through "legal means", does that mean his doctor??

"Then, Anthony upgraded to a Cat. 3.

“I was getting shelled as a three. I wasn’t getting any results,” he said. “And that’s when I started to look into the real stuff. The EPO.” "

i just found this quote comical

hahahahahahahah

**** him

BF needs a like button. I'll just have to say "+1".

BTW -- as a mod, shouldn't you be able to remove the **** from ****?

Tool I will agree but an interesting read.
I agree with Hammy so little in returns, I don't get it.
My wife is getting ready for the State Figure Competition and looks un-frickin believable. She was posing at the gym the other night with her coach in front of some of the other bodybuilders and of course they asked her what cycle she was on. Her answer was simple, nothing, I have never doped and never will, what's the point. Almost everyone that she will be competing against will be dopers and she will win clean.
My point is that the doping exist not only in cycling but almost every other sport where there is competition,

Ever see Bigger, Stronger, Faster? Did you know Tiger Woods had Lasik to give himself 20/15 vision which apparently is really good for being on the green?

Ever see Bigger, Stronger, Faster? Did you know Tiger Woods had Lasik to give himself 20/15 vision which apparently is really good for being on the green?

Yea... not having scratchy contact lenses in your eyes or relying on glasses which might distort stuff like the slope of greens is definitely an advantage. I had PRK surgery, cousin to LASIK, last winter partly because the first two laps of a track race I would essentially be racing blind because my contacts would dry out and stick to my eyeball funny. Eye surgery is definitely a performance enhancer.

Dunno about that... maybe he wasn't doing the right kind of training, or not enough of it.
That's possible, but really, seems unlikely. It's not like Popeye eating spinach; if you don't train, you can't benefit much from EPO and HGH.



Also, I want to know if he got the EPO through "legal means", does that mean his doctor??
As far as I know, the only legal way to obtain EPO is with a prescription. The guy isn't providing details because he doesn't want to out anyone else, so he probably found an anti-aging doc who is willing and able to prescribe PED's to aging athletes.