Classic & Vintage - Campy 8-speed to 10-speed conversion
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08-15-12, 08:59 AM
My wife recently purchased a 1997 Bianchi Trofeo with 8-Speed Mirage and Avanti components.
Does anyone know if a: Those components can just be upgraded to 10-speed internals? or b: is the freehub on that wheelset going to be able to handle a 10-speed cassette?
Here's a link to the bike specs: http://www.bikepedia.com/quickbike/BikeSpecs.aspx?Year=1997&Brand=Bianchi&Model=Trofeo&Type=bike#.UCurB6Bg-W8
The bike we got was in practically new condition.
08-15-12, 09:16 AM
More than a simple swap
1. The freehub is not compatible with 9 or 10s cassettes
2. Your shifter's cable pull is the pre2001 Campy version. All 10s is 2001+
3. Your rear derailleur is pre2001, and therefore will not index properly with ANY 10 speed Campy shifter.
You said the bike's in great shape. Ride it.
Remember what Eddy said "don't buy upgrades. ride up grades."
08-15-12, 09:25 AM
As Ex Pres, there is lots to change, I had an Avanti back in 1995, and upgraded this to 9 speed Daytona / Veloce in 2000, and am still using it weekly, not sure if I would go for 10 speed, or jump to 11 when it comes to replacement.
What's the big need to upgrade from what you have, as you say it is in practically new condition? From looking at the spec, you have Mirage Ergo-levers, and from memory, the nicest part of the upgrade to Daytona was loosing the Avanti Ergo-levers, which were a big stepdown from Mirage at the time.
08-15-12, 09:43 AM
As already stated...you will need to change everything but the crank, FD, and brakes.
For me, it is worth it 100%...I much prefer the feel and performance of Campy 10s (or really 11s for that matter)...Having said that, Campy 8s has a very positive/solid feel.
The biggest pain is that you will need to build/buy a new rear wheel. I don't think there is a Miche freehub that can convert these older 8s hubs (unlike Campy hubs)...for me, that means new front wheel as well.
End result...you have to really like the frame, otherwise ride as is, or sell it and "upgrade".
08-15-12, 10:42 AM
Thanks guys. I appreciate this input. My wife hinted that she would kind of like a newer shifting system, but given these changes, she may be stuck with the 8-speed stuff for a little while.
08-15-12, 12:45 PM
Everyone is right, that I can tell. So, if you don't go 10-sp, here are tips.
1-The Miche hubs are very nice, but get the wheels trued/tensioned and have the hubs packed. World of difference.
2-Lube. The FD, RD, and the cables can greatly benefit from this. You will notice.
3-Same with the BB. It's a Miche, but needs to be packed/cleaned/lubed. You will notice.
4-The cassette is most likely a Miche, though mine had a Campy. The newer Miche cassettes can be found in wider ranges.
5-I believe the shifters are Mirage. They can definitely be lubed to be a little more agile.
The above 5 steps can really help to make the bike more versatile and easier to ride. I found the fit to be odd, as Bianchi used a fairly long stem on most of them. Swapping out the stem for a nice light quill and the crankset/bb for a Veloce made it a bit lighter. I found the OEM Vittoria tires just fine. It's a nice-riding bike, not a racer, and not a tourer, but very nice all-around.
I certainly agree that the upgrade to 10-sp is fairly costly, mainly because of the wheelset. However, check your ebay/CL listings, because you can easily get a Veloce 10-sp group from a place like ribble.uk, along with a set of wheels equal to the OEM's, then sell the entire 8-sp group to offset the cost. Figure $475-$550 on the group/wheels, less $200-300 on the group take-off sale, $175-$350 net increase to go 10-sp.
Now, if you had 8-sp Campy, up the lineup a bit, I'd say there would have to be a pretty good deal out there before I'd upgrade. I really like 8-sp Athena and up, paired with nice Campy wheels.
08-15-12, 08:09 PM
You "can" swap the shifter internals, but it is extremely cost prohibitive. The cost of the internals is roughly the same as buying a set of 10spd shifters. If you buy the shifters you can sell your current 8spd ones for the same or more money than you paid for the 10. If you just swap the internals you have the investment without having complete parts to sell.
As others stated, most of the other components will need replaced as well. That said, 8spd campy and 10spd (used) parts have similar value right now. If you take your time and sell the 8spd group, the swap may not cost you much. If you had record or chorus it probably wouldn't cost you a thing.
My advice? Enjoy it as is. 8spd campy is an absolute pleasure to ride and is very durable. If the bike is like knew as you suggest, those components will last for many many years.
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