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rryyaannbb
08-21-12, 12:14 PM
I have a gap year now, and want to go cycling through France for at least a month.
I've been cycling for years, but never been on any long journeys.

I'm 18, and a relatively strong cyclist, but don't plan on too much effort, (ie, about 30-40 miles a day, taking 1-2 month to reach Southern France).
I only have a Rockhopper bike -2010- (mtb), and a limited budget. (Prefer to modify bike than buy a new one) and need your advice on a LOAD of questions, so thanks in advance if you bother reading and answering even just 1 or 2 of them.

1) BIKE? Firstly is the bike alright, personally I think I could make it, with the mtb, its not a lightweight touring bike, but it is quite light and I only plan on cycling 30-40 miles a day.

2) PANNIERS? It's a hardtail, so I'm sure I can get some panniers to fit on the back, and then I'll stack a little tent above them, so, What panniers to get? Recommendations (Good value for money) and preferably waterproof.

3) TYRES? It's a mountain bike, but I recently put on these "Panaracer Mach SS" which are semi-slick, so have a bit of both. size 26x1.95. Would these be alright for cycling all the way, or should I get different ones?

4) TENT? I own a 2 person tent, but the bag is ripped, and really I need a new one, so recommendations on a 1 person tent that is easy to put up and packs down small and light?

4b) where do you leave the bike when in the tent at night, Just chain it to something close by?

5) HANDLEBARS? I just have normal stock mtb handlebars on, could/should I get some dropped handlebars fitted, and how would I go about doing this?

6) SADDLE? The saddle that came with the bike is ridiculously uncomfortable, recommendations?

7) BIKE TOOLS? pump, puncture repair kit, spare innertubes (I always pop them when blowing them up), oil. Missed anything essential?

8) SKILLS, I know how to change the innertube and mend a puncture, and thats about it, anything else I really need to learn?

9) DYNAMO Is it worth getting a dynamo bike charger for my phone, or just getting a hand crank one?

10) Hitchhiking with bike? Should I just stick to cycling?

11) Safety tips for France alone?

12) My aim is to reach South France (Monaco, Montpeiller..) just anywhere along the South coast, so when I get there, is there a train or anything that I can get to bring me back up North? and can anyone one link me to it.

13) WHEN TO GO? This is my really big decision, I cant decide between going mid-September, or going April. I think it'll take me about 2 months, and I don't want to have to pack winter coats etc.

14) CLOTHES? I need to get all new biking clothes, currently I cycle in the city and don't own cycling shorts and jerseys etc. But looking through leisure lakes, these things cost loads (£60+ per item.) All I really own are my cycling shoes with clips.

15) ROUTE? I was planning to basically aim for somewhere S France, possibly a train station to bring me back, and improvise the rest, just travelling South, and seeing what I come across.

16) Getting to Dover from Oldham, Manchester? None of the trains I've seen will let me on with a bike, and I really imagine the cycling starting in France. Any suggestions?

Any other useful tips?


I may well add more questions, and I have searched for this stuff and read a lot of the touring forum already, so thanks for your advice in advance. :love:

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PS. I'll be taking a bit of cash, and mostly withdrawing from my card as I go. To reduce chance of loss of too much.

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For now I have decided to wait until March or April to go, and buy and add things to my bike until then. As well as go on a few week long cycles in to test thing out. Cannot wait until Spring and it's not even winter yet!


rryyaannbb
08-21-12, 12:18 PM
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I'm budgeting about 20 euro a day, (10 for campsite and 10 for food) for the actual journey.

chasm54
08-21-12, 12:43 PM
Here's a few thoughts.

A rockhopper will be fine. Lock out the front suspension. Semi-slick tyres are also fine, no need to change them.

Personally I use Vaude waterproof panniers. Waterproof panniers do tend to be pricey, though. Some get by OK with their gear inside plastic bags inside non-waterproof panniers. You'll need to fit a rack.

Yes, just lock the bike to something convenient and close by when you're asleep. If the lock is moderately substantial it will be difficult to steal the bike silently.

No, don't try to convert the bike to drops unless you are prepared to spend some money. Quite apart from the difficulty of setting it up to get a decent riding position on a bike designed for flat bars, you'd need to replace the brake levers and gear shifters.

Saddles are a pretty personal choice. I suggest you ask your LBS if you can try before you buy.

As far as I know, you won't be able to charge your phone direct from a dynamo without a gadget like an e-werk. Not cheap. Others might know better. Take a power monkey, would be my advice.

It's worth knowing how to fix a chain (and to carry a few spare links) and replace and/or tension spokes. That would add a chain tool and a spoke key to your list of tools. You should also carry some tyre levers and a set of allen keys.

Hitch-hiking with a bike is pretty difficult. I'd just ride, if I were you, and put the bike on a train if required. And on that subject almost all the UK train companies allow bikes, usually subject to booking in advance, so there's nothing to stop you travelling by train from Manchester to the South Coast. But there's nothing to stop you riding it, either.

No special safety tips for France except keep right. In general, you'll find French drivers more considerate of cyclists than English ones.

Don't worry about planning the route too carefully. There are lots of municipal campsites and international hostels that are of good quality. But if you are riding between September and November, more and more campsites will be closing as you go along. Best to check in advance. If it were me, I'd go April-June rather than September- November.

You don't really need special clothing for touring, especially if you're only planning on 30-40 miles per day. Some baggy shorts with padded undershorts would be a decent investment, though.

A budget of €20 per day will be tight, even if you camp virtually every night.


RyleyinSTL
08-21-12, 01:01 PM
The last time I was in France 10 euro might have been enough for a half dozen croissants or a bag of gougère. You're going to be biking and will need plenty of calories every day....good, full of good stuff kind of calories (ie. not bangers and mash). Might want to consider upping the food budget.

Tent - if you want to keep it really light go this direction: http://www.thenorthface.com/catalog/sc-gear/equipment-tents/asylum-bivy.html?from=subCat&variationId=07Z&cm_mmc=Linkshare-_-Deeplink-_-2010-_-Deeplink

Train - There are trains that can easily accommodate you (same general idea as in the UK). Go here for all info: http://www.sncf.co.uk/ Similar to the UK you can just buy your ticket at the station.

Panaracer Mach SS - these will not do, way to much tread. Go this direction: http://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/continental-sport-contact-tire-26-inch

If the train will not accommodate a bike consider bus service.

Sounds like a fun trip. Have fun!

rryyaannbb
08-21-12, 01:26 PM
Thanks for the advice.

I'm thinking I may wait until next year, March/April-June, instead then.
Give me time to get a job and earn a bit more money, I just have nothing to do all year though. :(

Those thin tyres scare me, are they actually a lot quicker/ easier to ride on?

bradtx
08-21-12, 01:28 PM
rryyaannbb, I used my mountain bike before the touring bike. Bar ends are a definate plus. I also used similar tires (photo) at 65 PSI. Anyway, no doubt you can use what you already have.

Brad

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rryyaannbb
08-21-12, 01:28 PM
And thanks for the rail link, Thats seriously helpful.

rryyaannbb
08-21-12, 01:48 PM
Great idea! Don't know why I didn't think of bar ends! Quite cheap and simple too. Thanks.

chasm54
08-21-12, 02:06 PM
Those thin tyres scare me, are they actually a lot quicker/ easier to ride on?

Yes. They aren't thin. And Riley is right about the Mach SS, when I said they would be OK I was relying on your descrption of them as semi-slick instead of actually looking at them. They're more semi than slick, in my opinion.

rryyaannbb
08-21-12, 02:28 PM
OKay then, if I am waiting until March/April to go, then I'll buy some slicks a bit before and get used to them. Leave these on for winter here though.

andrewclaus
08-21-12, 02:39 PM
Try some "shake-down" weekend trips this year, and you'll figure out what works and what's worth upgrading.

Look on maps.google.com and push the bicycle button for suggested bike routes to Dover.

Join warmshowers.com for possible hosts on your route, too.

I would not enjoy touring on a mountain bike or with those tires, but plenty do.

I just finished a long tour (7100 km) in the States and spend less than US$25 per day, and I'm an old guy with a credit card. You might do OK on 20 Euros. Don't eat at restaurants and camp a lot.

RyleyinSTL
08-21-12, 02:40 PM
Those thin tyres scare me, are they actually a lot quicker/ easier to ride on?

They will be lighter, quicker and easier. In fact, with the right air pressure, they will be good for 5kmph to your top speed I suspect. The first time you ride with them you will feel like the wind is pushing you along.

MichaelW
08-21-12, 05:34 PM
Rockhopper is good for touring, semi slick tyres are ideal. Add a decent rear rack, bar ends and some mudguards for wet days. The default replacement saddle is Charge Spoon, most people like it; I use a very old, beat up Specialized one.
Mid Sept-Oct is a good time for France, probably dryer than March/April. S of France is OK for touring quite late into the season. Some campsites close for winter.
Consider travel to France by a budget airline to a regional airport in Brittany, it will be cheaper and quicker than rail/ferry/chunnel. Same for the return journey. Put all of your bags inside one package to minimize costs.
I have toured for a couple of weeks using a Gelhert Solo tent. Once you replace the steel pegs with aluminium, it is compact and lightweight and should last. It is quite small but at that price, you can't complain. Combine with a 3/4 length inflatable mat and a 3 season bag and you should be set.
You will need to cook on something, gas canister is easiest, alcohol the cheapest.
You could manage with 2 large panniers and a barbag. Altura is good; look for locking quick-release mounts, heel cutout profile, a flap or roll top (not zippers) and 1 external pocket. You may have to pile stuff on the rear rack. I use nylon drybags on the rack and inside one panniers.
The brand-name camping kit is expensive compared to discount stores like Go Outdoors or those mil-surplus places. Aldi and Lidl sometimes do good cycling gear at stupid prices. You will need shorts, helmet and gloves and lights. Cycling jersey is nice to have but you can use wicking T shirts. In France , Decathlon has good value cycling gear.
You can recharge at campsites. I have dynamo lighting but since LEDs came along, battery lights are good for touring.

DanBell
08-21-12, 07:50 PM
1) Your bike is fine. Lots of people tour on hardtail mountain bikes with racks.
3) I second the recommendations for thinner slick tires (tyres!!). If you'll be on roads most of the time, they'll be faster, roll better, and be just as comfortable.
4) Here's a link (http://www.alpsmountaineering.com/alps/products/tents/lightweight-tents/zephyr-1#.UDQ47UQkhGF) to a pretty well-reviewed, inexpensive tent. It goes for about $100 on Amazon in the US.
4b) Yep, just lock it up. Sometimes I'll tie one of my tent or hammock lines to it for added security. If someone moves it, I should notice it.
5) I don't think a drop bar conversion will be necessary or effective (plus you'll also have to spring for new shifters and brake levers). Bar ends and locking ergo grips will give you enough hand positions.
6 & 14) I've done plenty of touring in regular shorts with padded undershorts on a Brooks saddle. I know Brooks saddles aren't for everyone, and they're expensive, but I love my B17. I also recently bought a couple pair of these undershorts (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-pro-padded-undershorts/). Very comfy so far. Just make sure that your outer shorts don't have baggy pockets or thick seams in places that will rub between your legs/butt and the saddle. Casual shorts of a thinner material work well, and you don't have to bring on type of shorts for on the bike, and another for when you're off the bike.
9) I don't know much about hand crank chargers, but the ones I've seen have been garbage. The new Shimano dynamo hubs are great, and not that expensive. You can power the lights on your bike and charge your phone while riding.

Check out crazyguyonabike.com. Heaps of good touring information there. Sounds like it's going to be an awesome trip! I look forward to hearing more about it.

rryyaannbb
08-22-12, 07:10 AM
Is it really necessary to take a stove/ cooking set. I'm pretty sure I can live off cold food for a month or two, and clean water isn't really an issue if I can carry 2 litres just in bottle holders on the bike?(Oh and yeah I agree, I have boosted the food budget to at least 20 euro a day)

andrewclaus
08-22-12, 07:51 AM
Is it really necessary to take a stove/ cooking set. I'm pretty sure I can live off cold food for a month or two, and clean water isn't really an issue if I can carry 2 litres just in bottle holders on the bike?(Oh and yeah I agree, I have boosted the food budget to at least 20 euro a day)

No, it's absolutely not necessary to cook on a tour. It goes against the grain, but I haven't carried a stove or cookset on a tour or hike for many seasons. It doesn't give you a huge weight advantage because there are many very good light-weight stoves, and you have to carry more water weight in the food. But it does make things simpler and easier to resupply. Another advantage is pack space--I dropped an entire front pack from my set-up when I stopped carrying a stove. (The other front pack got dropped when I found a decent single-wall tent (Henry Shires Tarptent).)

Tourist in MSN
08-22-12, 08:37 AM
Is it really necessary to take a stove/ cooking set. I'm pretty sure I can live off cold food for a month or two, and clean water isn't really an issue if I can carry 2 litres just in bottle holders on the bike?(Oh and yeah I agree, I have boosted the food budget to at least 20 euro a day)

I would bring a small butane type stove and buy cartridges as needed. And I would bring a pot about one liter in size with a long handled spoon. That means that you would also need some soap and a cleaning pad. This way you can fix a warm drink such as coffee or tea or hot chocolate in the morning or evening, have soup on occasion for a meal, maybe a stew or rice meal occasionally too. Cost for this is not very much and it packs down small. You could buy this gear once you get to France, as then you would find out what fuel cartridges are most prevalent.

When traveling alone, besides coffee in the morning, I often have a small pot of Ramen soup in the morning. It is fast, filling, warm on cool mornings and costs almost nothing. I don't carry a bowl when traveling alone, eat it out of the pot.

A pack of rice and a can of stew can make a pretty filling meal. May not win any gourmet awards, but it is fast, cheap and filling. Plus, for many meals you can use non-perishables such as this, so you can keep a few meals worth of food in your pack without worrying about it going bad.

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The trip that produced this photo, I carried a liquid fuel stove but if I was going on your trip to France, I would use a butane stove as it is smaller and lighter.

Some people rely on alcohol stoves for a trip like yours but I have never used one so I have no opinion on them.

fietsbob
08-22-12, 09:07 AM
take a bunch of weekend overnights, loops from home ,
see what is useful and what's ballast.

acidfast7
08-22-12, 09:48 AM
personally, i think that a food budget of 20€/day for a single person is quite large.

i live in frankfurt and i'd eat cold the whole way...

i break it down like this (at Frankfurt inner city prices/countryside would be much less)...

3 fresh baguettes @ 0.99€
1 loaf fresh bread @ 1.99€
150g pre-sliced pepper cover salami @ 1.29€
150g sliced and smoked ham @ 1.29€
100g spreadable cheese w/herbs @ 0.99€
250g Emmentaler cheese (Swiss mountain cheese) @ 2.49€
200g Saint Agur or Gorgonzola @ 1.99€
6 large tomatoes @ 0.99€
fresh rosemary @ 0.30€
balsamic vinegar @ 0.50€
1 package field salad @ 0.99€
0.7L bottle Crémant @ 3.50€
a metal tube of mustard @ 1.49€ and some spiciness would be nice for the salad as well.

that doesn't include any water, but you could easily substitute the Crémant for water.

to be honest, most students I know who don't get paid tend to live on between 5-10€/day for food. 5€ is they only eat cold and 10€ if they want one warm decent meal per day.

also, I'm not sure where you're headed in France but in central Germany, you'll pass through tiny towns on the bike paths/tours and can easily pick up stuff on a daily basis (if you so desire.) even the bakeries are open on Sunday if you want bread/pastries (however, nothing else will be open on Sundays.)

staehpj1
08-22-12, 10:30 AM
Is it really necessary to take a stove/ cooking set. I'm pretty sure I can live off cold food for a month or two, and clean water isn't really an issue if I can carry 2 litres just in bottle holders on the bike?(Oh and yeah I agree, I have boosted the food budget to at least 20 euro a day)

No not necessary, but...

My cooking/eating kit weighs anywhere from 9-11 ounces depending on choices for that trip and some of that would be carried if not cooking. Also it could be trimmed further if you really wanted to. Some of the SUL backpacking guys get their cooking/eating kit down to 3 ounces or so. Add some fuel (Yellow Heet 12 ounces for a full bottle) and the weight goes up some though.

I find that worth carrying even when I am in full gram counting mode and am carrying less than 14 pounds of gear including bags.

MichaelW
08-22-12, 11:23 AM
I'm currently debating whether to carry a cooking kit for a short Euro tour. Normally I would eat out in the evenings (or on the campsite) and carry some sardines or something as emergency rations. Funds are tighter than normal and I can slim down my Trangia 27 to one pot and a (DIY) supercat burner with a foil lid and shield.
Brew-kits like this are good for noodles, couscous with sausage, veg, tinned stew, sardines etc . Rice and pasta are a bit harder to do on a brew kit but possible. Carrying oil is tricky but pesto or sausage do the job. Salt, pepper, sugar, milk powder, coffee tea, quicksoup, herbs, they soon start to mount up. Carry them in a reliable tupperware box.
If you decide to go stove-less, do take a spork for eating out of tins and a small plastic cup (even coffee machine cups) in case someone offers you a brew. Cups can protect soft fruit from crushing. Tupperware boxes keep cheese smells in their place.

rryyaannbb
08-22-12, 11:26 AM
Hey Micheal, where are you going, and are you going this year or waiting until spring?
I'm holding off on the full France tour until next spring, so I can spend longer and it'll only get warmer as I go along, instead of rushing into it now and coming back freezing.

staehpj1
08-22-12, 11:39 AM
Normally I would eat out in the evenings

That reminds me... I failed to mention that if I planned to eat evening meals in a diner or other restaurant, and if such services were readily available where I would be, I doubt that I would bother with a stove for just breakfast or lunch. I am more inclined to eat breakfast or lunch out whne I have that choice and do dinner in camp though.

acidfast7
08-22-12, 01:26 PM
i have to be a snob here for a second...

gastronomy is one of the reasons to come to Europe for touring.

given that, I can understand if you don't want to spend 50-100€/night on dining ... however eating sardines or Dinty Moore "beef"-stew out of the can, is slightly missing the point, is it not? the prices I posted are for quality foods and a discount market.

SteamDonkey74
08-22-12, 01:55 PM
1) BIKE? Firstly is the bike alright, personally I think I could make it, with the mtb, its not a lightweight touring bike, but it is quite light and I only plan on cycling 30-40 miles a day.


Touring bikes aren't really all that light. Your mountain bike, if it fits you and is comfortable for you to ride over distance, should be fine. Thirty to forty miles per day spread out over, say, six hours, is very manageable. I tour on a mountain bike and it works just fine. The frame is nice and tough and has a very similar geometry to a touring bike. Yeah, if my wife hits the lottery I'll got get a dedicated touring bike, but until then...




2) PANNIERS?


One possible hitch with mtb frames is that sometimes the combination of chainstay length and where the back of your heels hits makes panniers difficult to mount. I have this problem with mine, and looking at more than just a couple nights touring coming up next season when I plan on taking a week-long trip I am looking at other options, including trying a longer rack so the panniers can sit further back or using a Bob Yak trailer or similar. (There's a can of worms right there. Step back fast.)



3) TYRES? It's a mountain bike, but I recently put on these "Panaracer Mach SS" which are semi-slick, so have a bit of both. size 26x1.95. Would these be alright for cycling all the way, or should I get different ones?


I don't know the specific tire, but I ride Continental Semi-Slicks of a similar size and they work out great for my purposes. The first couple times I toured I did it on knobblies, which wasn't perhaps the best option but the tires were still fairly new then and I hadn't worn them to threads and I didn't want to spend money on new tires. Once I wore them out, however, I got after it with the semi-slicks and they've been great.



4b) where do you leave the bike when in the tent at night, Just chain it to something close by?

Yup. I have chained it to trees, picnic tables, sign-posts, car bumpers (with permission of the owner).



5) HANDLEBARS? I just have normal stock mtb handlebars on, could/should I get some dropped handlebars fitted, and how would I go about doing this?


It can be involved since you'll likely need then knew brake levers and shift levers, and possibly a new stem. To this I have a question. Are you able to ride over the distances you propose with your current handlebars? If you can do it, and do it even with a dummy load in some panniers, I think you're fine. I got to where I wanted another position so I got some bar-ends to give me another riding position and that's worked well.



6) SADDLE? The saddle that came with the bike is ridiculously uncomfortable, recommendations?

If it's uncomfortable, chuck it and get something else, but do it early enough that you can try it out before you go on a tour with it. I have settled on a Brooks B135, which a lot of people would think ridiculous overkill but it fits the bill for me. Since we're all a little different physically I strongly recommend visiting a well-stocked shop with your bike and getting some consultation. If they won't let you try sitting on it before you buy you should probably leave.

Anyway, the "what saddle?" question is another can of worms. I would recommend thinking beyond just the uber-plush padded options as those can get hot and cause a lot of chafing, but then again for some people they are the best option. If you have a bit of, err, male numbness, you may want to consider getting one with a center slot cut out of it.




7) BIKE TOOLS? pump, puncture repair kit, spare innertubes (I always pop them when blowing them up), oil. Missed anything essential?


I would add a compact spoke wrench, a small screwdriver or two, and a set of the essential Allen wrenches for your bike, probably 4mm, 5mm, 6mm and maybe one or two more. I am sure I am leaving out something that someone else feels essential.



8) SKILLS, I know how to change the innertube and mend a puncture, and thats about it, anything else I really need to learn?


You aren't likely to be doing overhauls of bearings en route, but I would recommend skimming a book on bike repair just so at least you are aware of potential issues.



11) Safety tips for France alone?


Your biggest threat in France is probably petty crime, like pickpocketing, but then again I am saying this while living in a country where people regularly shoot each other with guns over petty disagreements. (Oops, opened another can of worms.)


Happy touring!

Adam

MichaelW
08-22-12, 04:18 PM
My plan is to fly into Perpignan 1st week of Sept, hop over a small pass into Spain then down to Barcelona to visit a friend then fly back.
The whole trip is though the Catalunya region, even though it is spread over 2 countries. The food is really great, less fussy and simpler than typical French meals which is a good reason to eat out.
The direct route is quite short so I expect to do some exploring around.
The only issues at the moment are the heat and forest fires.

simplygib
08-23-12, 02:19 PM
I also tour on an mtb. Specialized Hard Rock, 14 years old. Works great. No need for anything else.

On the handlebars, I would consider trekking bars. Flat bars will work, flat bars with bar ends are better, and trekking bars are better yet. I've toured with all the above, but always got numb hands until I got the trekking bars. Existing brake levers and shifters will work with them. They cost me about $10 USD more than the bar ends.

Saddles - tried lots of different ones. Finally got a Brooks B-17. After break-in it's great. Pricey though.

Tools/Skills - I would suggest learning basic bike maintenance skills, and carrying a multi-tool with you. Derailleur adjustment, brake adjustment, chain repair, etc.

Tires - almost anything will work, especially for a short tour. I toured on off-road knobbies before going to Schwalbe Marathons. The Marathons roll easier, but are pricey.

Good luck.

sectrix
08-25-12, 12:40 PM
Here's my $.02 (or €)

1) BIKE? Your bike should work fine. I'd suggest looking into some gearing upgrades now that you have a bit more time, but 30 - 40 miles a day is a very laid back pace.

2) PANNIERS? If you are fully loaded with tent, cooking gear, etc. make sure you also get front panniers. My tour buddy had only rear bags and we had constant trouble with his rear tire; not to mention the handling. I used Arkel bags and they were fantastic, and are considered some of the best available. They are heavy and expensive though, about $900 for a full set. Ortleib and Vaude I've read make good waterproof bags, but these come with one caveat: they are waterproof. Anything that goes in damp will be damp when it comes out, and probably smelly. I don't have first hand knowledge of this, but I've read many people who have. I wouldn't imagine you'd be riding much in the rain anyway, and when you're camped the bags will be in the tent. A lot of bags are made with Cordura which can absorb quite a bit of rain before things inside start getting wet.

3) TYRES? I like the Schwalbe Marathon Plus, or Schwalbe or Continental in general. Road tires are best if your riding on the road. Thinner tires roll a little more easily, but thicker tires will be a smoother ride.

4) TENT? Make sure the tent you get is large enough to accommodate your bags. Also try to find a tent that ventilates well; this will keep it comfortable and dry. It will also prevent you from carrying unnecessary moisture weight, and allow clothes to dry from rain/sweat. I carry a Stephenson's Warmlite, but in retrospect it's overkill for bicycle touring. Make a plastic ground tarp for it to protect the bottom from abrasion and puncture. You can find rolls of plastic at hardware stores as drop cloths for painters. Cut it slightly smaller than your tent's footprint, otherwise it will funnel rain under the tent. If your tent needs to be seam-sealed, make sure you do that. Also, the insulation you lay on in the sleeping bag provides no warmth, so look into a sleeping pad.

4b) Yep. Chain it up.

5) HANDLEBARS? I toured with regular straight bars. After awhile, I did start noticing some wrist pain, so I'm going to add some aerobars for the next tour. Changing out to drop style bars may become a huge project. I don't know all the details, but for example a Shimano road front derailleur won't work with a mountain bike shifter and vice versa.

6) SADDLE? I like the Brooks leather saddles. The advantage of leather is it's firm, yet forms to you after a bit, making yourself a custom seat that keeps your weight on the bones. The soft gel type saddles distribute your weight to the soft tissue between the bones as well, which is no good for anyone. Leather saddles require some maintenance though, and must be kept dry. If you do get a leather saddle, put your tent bag over it at night to keep the moisture off.

7) BIKE TOOLS? Spare tubes, spare spokes (ask local shop for proper size), air pump (I like Topeak), spare chain, tire levers, and a chain tool. I'd suggest a few individual tools to fit fasteners for seat post, handlebars, brakes, derailleurs and racks & cages. Should you break a spoke that threads behind your rear gears, you'll also need a cassette lockring tool to get the gears off to replace the spoke. Usually you need to carry a cassette tool, wrench, and chain wrench, but I found a nifty little tool called the Stein Mini Cassette Tool that does it all for almost no weight.

8) SKILLS, Learn the basics of maintaining your rims: how to tighten and replace spokes. Learn how to use a chain tool (very easy, practice on an old chain), learn the simple fixes like replacing brake pads, adjusting derailleurs, etc. Sheldon Brown has an excellent resource, and the book Zinn and the art of Road Bike Maintenance is very good as well.

9) DYNAMO I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the US finding an electrical outlet was surprisingly easy. We made sure all our electrical devices ran on the same size batteries, brought spares and a battery charger. Then we simply found a nearby outlet at the campsite and charged everything daily.

14) CLOTHES? No need to do anything special or excessive - your regular clothes will work just fine. This is what I brought: underclothes and socks (3 pair each), 2 shirts, 1 pants, 2 shorts, thermal top and bottom and rain gear top and bottom. Lately I think I'll drop one pair of shorts and get convertible pants instead, and a sweatshirt instead of the thermals. If you are going to spend money on clothes, forget the cycling jerseys and get lightweight backpacking clothes. GoLite make some very light clothes that are surprisingly cheap right now.

If you decide to bring cooking gear, I'd suggest the Sierra Stove by ZZ Manufacturing - a battery powered wood burning stove. Instead of carrying and buying fuel, you can power your stove with sticks and leaves and such. It runs off a single AA battery that powers a fan. The fan blows air through the walls of the stove then out small holes in the bottom of the kettle - acting as a bellows. As the fire gets hotter, the air being blown in gets hotter and the whole thing burns more efficiently. This works best if you bring rechargeable batteries. Also if you bring non-stick cookware (I'd recommend) get plastic utensils and scour pads for non-stick; this will prevent scratching.

JohnBerry
08-29-12, 03:16 PM
I agree with the person in Germany who said you are missing the point a little if you're eating Dinty Moore from the can in Europe. I have just finished a tour in Spain and Portugal, and as an "old" guy (70, going on 71), I'd say the following:
1. 30-40 miles a day won't even get a young guy like you fit.
2. I usually ride from about 8:30 am to about 7:00 pm (depending on local sunrise and sunset). A lot of that time is spent in cathedrals, ruins, museums, etc.
3. I find 50-60 miles a day an easy rate for Europe (80-120 miles a day in USA or other countries with long distances).
4. Can't speak to bike or tires: I own a Bianchi tourer, but have used a rented Brompton for the western isles of Scotland (you don't have to pay for it on ferries, and fewer potential problems on trains), as well as a ridiculously over-prepared rented mountain bike in Andalusia and a rented "fished from the canal" bike for Eu19/week in northern Germany. Had no problems with any of them.
5. My tent is an REI "1.5-man" tent - wide enough that I can get all my panniers and me in it. However, this American tent is less than perfect for Europe because it has traditional guylines, which people in crowded campgrounds trip over, and the flysheet doesn't reach the ground, which is disastrous in a N. Atlantic storm.
6. In Spain and southern France, in the height of the season, campgrounds were Eu 10-12 per night.
7. I carried a stove/cookware and didn't use it. My food budget was: Continental breakfast Eu 2-3.00 (at a bar). Lunch: Eu 8-12 for a real restaurant meal. Dinner: Eu 6-10 for a BIG snack (occasionally Burger King, but here again that is defeating the purpose). I also spent about Eu 1-2 per day for fluids - I carried 2 standard bike bottles on the bike, plus one 1 or 1.5 litre bottle in a holder and another one bungeed on top of my tent on the rear rack. Total Eu 18-25 for food.
8. I rarely bought pastries, etc., because I have a gluten problem, but that would have lowered costs by about Eu 5.
9. Don't underestimate how much fluid or energy you will use: on hot days I would find myself draining a 1.5 litre bottle of lemonade at one go when I stopped riding.
10. I rarely locked up my bike in campgrounds, but was religious about doing so everywhere else. I have toured all over Iberia, UK, N. Germany and never had anything stolen at a campground or hostel: once that starts to happen the whole system of student/low budget family travel will break down.
11. If you have a problem fitting panniers, as I did with one folder, you may be able to attach a rucksack between the seat post and a light rear rack, using enough bungees. This also has the advantage that you can take off on a 2-day hike if you feel like it.
12. That reminded me: pedals and shoes. I tour in old running shoes, which also gives me the flexibility to hike. I met a Scottish girl who was touring in Nova Scotia wearing heavy flip-flops in pouring cold rain. Her reasoning: when it stops your feet dry off rapidly. I never use bike shoes or pedals with clips.
13: Panniers: the best ones I have are Axioms, a Canadian foldover brand. I always wrap everything in plastic bags inside the panniers - an accident can be costly - my Passport almost dissolved after riding through the edges of a hurricane in Louisiana, and I had a pannier full of mocha Coffee to boot.
14: I have broken 2 chains and many spokes (I weigh 220 lbs/100 kg). However, since getting a new rear wheel with higher-quality spokes in Whitehorse, Yukon, to replace one whose rim wore away in a storm on the Top of World Highway, I have never had a broken spoke again. So if you are big and have a low-end bike, I think rebuilding the rear wheel with high-end spokes may solve any problem there.

Good luck in France: I'll be there myself in July, riding from Aquitaine up the west coast and around Brittany and Normandy to the UK.

JohnB

iconicflux
08-29-12, 03:23 PM
I have a supernova the plug II+ on a 3n80 dynohub wheel that I built. It's great BUT you really need a cache battery as phones HATE the changes in amperage and voltage. The cache battery like a motorola P893 totally fixes that. There's a realy inexpensive one I got from BestBuy for 16 bux that works well too.. it's found back by the camcorder batteries.



Here's a few thoughts.

A rockhopper will be fine. Lock out the front suspension. Semi-slick tyres are also fine, no need to change them.

Personally I use Vaude waterproof panniers. Waterproof panniers do tend to be pricey, though. Some get by OK with their gear inside plastic bags inside non-waterproof panniers. You'll need to fit a rack.

Yes, just lock the bike to something convenient and close by when you're asleep. If the lock is moderately substantial it will be difficult to steal the bike silently.

No, don't try to convert the bike to drops unless you are prepared to spend some money. Quite apart from the difficulty of setting it up to get a decent riding position on a bike designed for flat bars, you'd need to replace the brake levers and gear shifters.

Saddles are a pretty personal choice. I suggest you ask your LBS if you can try before you buy.

As far as I know, you won't be able to charge your phone direct from a dynamo without a gadget like an e-werk. Not cheap. Others might know better. Take a power monkey, would be my advice.

It's worth knowing how to fix a chain (and to carry a few spare links) and replace and/or tension spokes. That would add a chain tool and a spoke key to your list of tools. You should also carry some tyre levers and a set of allen keys.

Hitch-hiking with a bike is pretty difficult. I'd just ride, if I were you, and put the bike on a train if required. And on that subject almost all the UK train companies allow bikes, usually subject to booking in advance, so there's nothing to stop you travelling by train from Manchester to the South Coast. But there's nothing to stop you riding it, either.

No special safety tips for France except keep right. In general, you'll find French drivers more considerate of cyclists than English ones.

Don't worry about planning the route too carefully. There are lots of municipal campsites and international hostels that are of good quality. But if you are riding between September and November, more and more campsites will be closing as you go along. Best to check in advance. If it were me, I'd go April-June rather than September- November.

You don't really need special clothing for touring, especially if you're only planning on 30-40 miles per day. Some baggy shorts with padded undershorts would be a decent investment, though.

A budget of €20 per day will be tight, even if you camp virtually every night.

stevepusser
08-30-12, 12:50 AM
You can also make waterproof panniers for next to nothing: http://uncooped.com/campergirl/posts/549-make-low-cost-bicycle-panniers

though I'd attach hooks and use some sort of toe-strap arrangement to mount them. I saw another article where the author whittled the baskets until they were just a lacy framework, just enough to hold drybags with his gear, so his panniers were extremely light.

LynxTheWizard
09-02-12, 12:59 AM
Hi!
1) the bike will be fine.
2) I suggest ortliebs. Good mounting system, no raincovers, you can even swim over rivers if you need to and keep your stuff dry. they aren' t so expensive in europe as they are in US. You can find them used now and then for a good price. (i got my first pair of back packer classic for 60$)
3) tyres depend on your route. If you will ride mostly on asphalt, i would say you will be happy with 26x1.5 or 1.75 at most. Anything wider will slow you down. Continental Travel Contact or Schwalbe Hurricane (if on tighter budget) would be my choice. they are good all around tires.
5) either put the butterfly trekking bars or add some bar ends to your straight bar.
6) I would say something from brooks, but if you dont want a leather seat, specialized makes good saddles. You needsomething that is not too wide and not too soft.
7) add some allen wrench kit.
8) maybe try to change a spoke.
10) stick with cycling.
11) Don' t leave your stuff alone.
14) Cycling clothes aren' t a necessity. You need at least 1 set of clothes that dry fast. Clothing should be comfortable and thats the main thing.

good luck!